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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2062<br />
| date = October 22, 2018<br />
| title = Barnard's Star<br />
| image = barnards_star.png<br />
| titletext = "Ok, team. We have a little under 10,000 years before closest approach to figure out how to destroy Barnard's Star." "Why, does it pose a threat to the Solar System?" "No. It's just an asshole."<br />
}}<br />
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==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Please edit the explanation below and only mention here why it isn't complete. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
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Bernard's Star is mean.<br />
Barnard's Star is a very-low-mass red dwarf about 6 light-years away from Earth in the constellation of Ophiuchus. It is the fourth-nearest-known individual star to the Sun (after the three components of the Alpha Centauri system) and the closest star in the Northern Celestial Hemisphere.<br />
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Barnard's Star is the star with the greatest apparent motion in the sky. Apparent motion is motion in the sky other than that caused by earth's rotation. Banard's star is both very close to the sun (as these things go) and moving very quickly (as these things go).<br />
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=Transcript=<br />
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
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{{comic discussion}}<br />
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[[Category:Comics with color]]<br />
[[Category:Astronomy]]</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=1590892009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:42:33Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Table */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2009<br />
| date = June 20, 2018<br />
| title = Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram<br />
| image = hertzsprung_russell_diagram.png<br />
| titletext = The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Created by a RED GIANT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
<br />
The {{w|Hertzsprung–Russell diagram}} is a scatterplot showing absolute luminosities of stars against its effective temperature or color. It's generally used to understand a star's age.<br />
<br />
The axes are labeled in {{w|Kelvin}} (degrees {{w|Celsius}} above {{w|absolute zero}}) for {{w|effective temperature}} and, in a unlike many Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams, {{w|Watts}} for {{w|luminosity}}. While most Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams are labelled in units of {{w|solar luminosity}} or {{w|absolute magnitude}}, all three are perfectly valid measures of {{w|luminosity}}, which refers to the total power emitted by the star (or other body). {{w|Effective temperature}} refers to temperature of a blackbody with the same surface area and luminosity. This is meant to provide an estimate of the surface temperature of the object.<br />
<br />
Regular Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams cover ranges of about 1,000K to 30,000K, and what is labeled on this diagram as 10<sup>21</sup> to 10<sup>33</sup> watts&mdash;i.e. the upper-left corner. Extended diagrams increase the luminosity range only to include the "Brown Dwarfs". This diagram has been extended to much lower magnitudes on both axes. The joke comes from the absurdity of a diagram meant for stars including much smaller objects, such as planets ... and astronomers.<br />
<br />
Though not included in the diagram, the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted somewhere in the lower right corner due to its (relatively) low brightness and heat output. Bigger screens have a higher power output (in terms of luminosity) and are thus positioned further towards the diagram's top corner. An "unusually big screen" would have to be something like a JumboTron for its luminosity to put it outside of the lower right corner.<br />
==Table==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
!Item<br />
!Effective Temperature<br />
!Luminosity<br />
!Explanation / Comments<br />
|-<br />
|Betelgeuse<br />
|3200 K<br />
|1.6 * 10<sup>31</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Vega<br />
|10,000 K<br />
|1.8 * 10<sup>28</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Sun<br />
|5800 K<br />
|3.6 * 10<sup>26</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Proxima Centauri<br />
|2700 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>23</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|HD 189733b<br />
|2100 K<br />
|4.8 * 10<sup>21</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Interior of a hydrogen bomb during detonation<br />
|~10<sup>8</sup> K<br />
|~10<sup>20</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Jupiter<br />
|285 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>18</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Venus<br />
|330 K<br />
|5.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|It appears that this might have been misplaced on the temperature axis, being far too closely placed to France and to Earth. In fact Venus is at 735K where Earth has a mean of 287K.<br />
|-<br />
|Earth<br />
|300 K<br />
|3.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Mars<br />
|255<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Moon<br />
|300 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Nuclear Fireball<br />
|8000 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|France<br />
|300 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|This is part of Earth (and more precisely a part of Europe), the same temperature as Earth, but less luminous in proportion to its surface area. Including this may be a joke referencing the two possible meanings of ‘Europa’ (see the next entry).<br />
|-<br />
|Europa<br />
|90 K<br />
|3.5 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|While this term could refer to Europe (a part of Earth, of which France (the previous entry) is a further part), the temperature and luminosity are both too small for that, so it must refer to the moon of Jupiter instead.<br />
|-<br />
|Lightning Bolt<br />
|30,000 K<br />
|30 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Ivanpah Solar Plant Salt Tank<br />
|1200 K<br />
|1.2 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Medium-sized Lava Lake<br />
|800 K<br />
|32 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Cruise Ship<br />
|325 K<br />
|30 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Campfire<br />
|870 K<br />
|7.0 kW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Blue Whale<br />
|280 K<br />
|78 kW<br />
|Must be average surface temperature as whales are warm-blooded @ ~100F/37C internally, interestingly this may be the only entry where a significant amount of power produced is conducted away rather than radiated. Also the power seems high compared to what I can find<br />
|-<br />
|Arc Lamp<br />
|65,000 K<br />
|150 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Lightbulb<br />
|4800 K<br />
|75 W<br />
|The temperature value here refers to colour temperature, which for an incandescent bulb is the same as the filament temperature.<br />
|-<br />
|LED Bulb<br />
|5800 K<br />
|8 W<br />
|The temperature value here refers to colour temperature, not physical temperature.<br />
|-<br />
|Astronomer<br />
|310 K<br />
|100 W<br />
| The body temperature of a human (astronomer or otherwise) is about 310K (37°C)<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Transcript==<br />
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
[A scatter plot is shown, with the x-axis labeled Effective Temperature (in degrees Kelvin, and the y-axis Luminosity (watts).]<br />
<br />
{{comic discussion}}</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=1590882009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:39:28Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Table */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2009<br />
| date = June 20, 2018<br />
| title = Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram<br />
| image = hertzsprung_russell_diagram.png<br />
| titletext = The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Created by a RED GIANT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
<br />
The {{w|Hertzsprung–Russell diagram}} is a scatterplot showing absolute luminosities of stars against its effective temperature or color. It's generally used to understand a star's age.<br />
<br />
The axes are labeled in {{w|Kelvin}} (degrees {{w|Celsius}} above {{w|absolute zero}}) for {{w|effective temperature}} and, in a unlike many Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams, {{w|Watts}} for {{w|luminosity}}. While most Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams are labelled in units of {{w|solar luminosity}} or {{w|absolute magnitude}}, all three are perfectly valid measures of {{w|luminosity}}, which refers to the total power emitted by the star (or other body). {{w|Effective temperature}} refers to temperature of a blackbody with the same surface area and luminosity. This is meant to provide an estimate of the surface temperature of the object.<br />
<br />
Regular Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams cover ranges of about 1,000K to 30,000K, and what is labeled on this diagram as 10<sup>21</sup> to 10<sup>33</sup> watts&mdash;i.e. the upper-left corner. Extended diagrams increase the luminosity range only to include the "Brown Dwarfs". This diagram has been extended to much lower magnitudes on both axes. The joke comes from the absurdity of a diagram meant for stars including much smaller objects, such as planets ... and astronomers.<br />
<br />
Though not included in the diagram, the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted somewhere in the lower right corner due to its (relatively) low brightness and heat output. Bigger screens have a higher power output (in terms of luminosity) and are thus positioned further towards the diagram's top corner. An "unusually big screen" would have to be something like a JumboTron for its luminosity to put it outside of the lower right corner.<br />
==Table==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
!Item<br />
!Effective Temperature<br />
!Luminosity<br />
!Explanation / Comments<br />
|-<br />
|Betelgeuse<br />
|3200 K<br />
|1.6 * 10<sup>31</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Vega<br />
|10,000 K<br />
|1.8 * 10<sup>28</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Sun<br />
|5800 K<br />
|3.6 * 10<sup>26</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Proxima Centauri<br />
|2700 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>23</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|HD 189733b<br />
|2100 K<br />
|4.8 * 10<sup>21</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Interior of a hydrogen bomb during detonation<br />
|~10<sup>8</sup> K<br />
|~10<sup>20</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Jupiter<br />
|285 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>18</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Venus<br />
|330 K<br />
|5.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|It appears that this might have been misplaced on the temperature axis, being far too closely placed to France and to Earth. In fact Venus is at 735K where Earth has a mean of 287K.<br />
|-<br />
|Earth<br />
|300 K<br />
|3.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Mars<br />
|255<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Moon<br />
|300 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Nuclear Fireball<br />
|8000 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|France<br />
|300 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|This is part of Earth (and more precisely a part of Europe), the same temperature as Earth, but less luminous in proportion to its surface area. Including this may be a joke referencing the two possible meanings of ‘Europa’ (see the next entry).<br />
|-<br />
|Europa<br />
|90 K<br />
|3.5 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|While this term could refer to Europe (a part of Earth, of which France (the previous entry) is a further part), the temperature and luminosity are both too small for that, so it must refer to the moon of Jupiter instead.<br />
|-<br />
|Lightning Bolt<br />
|30,000 K<br />
|30 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Ivanpah Solar Plant Salt Tank<br />
|1200 K<br />
|1.2 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Medium-sized Lava Lake<br />
|800 K<br />
|32 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Cruise Ship<br />
|325 K<br />
|30 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Campfire<br />
|870 K<br />
|7.0 kW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Blue Whale<br />
|280 K<br />
|78 kW<br />
|(Must be average surface temperature as whales are warm-blooded @ ~100F, also the power seems high compared to what I can find)<br />
|-<br />
|Arc Lamp<br />
|65,000 K<br />
|150 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Lightbulb<br />
|4800 K<br />
|75 W<br />
|The temperature value here refers to colour temperature, which for an incandescent bulb is the same as the filament temperature.<br />
|-<br />
|LED Bulb<br />
|5800 K<br />
|8 W<br />
|The temperature value here refers to colour temperature, not physical temperature.<br />
|-<br />
|Astronomer<br />
|310 K<br />
|100 W<br />
| The body temperature of a human (astronomer or otherwise) is about 310K (37°C)<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Transcript==<br />
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
[A scatter plot is shown, with the x-axis labeled Effective Temperature (in degrees Kelvin, and the y-axis Luminosity (watts).]<br />
<br />
{{comic discussion}}</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=159087Talk:2009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:32:06Z<p>108.162.238.47: </p>
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How the heck is a lava cake more luminous than a campfire? {{unsigned ip|108.162.219.28}}<br />
:It's Lava Lake, as in a large puddle of lava.[[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
:: Now the real question is, Why isn't lava cake included on the diagram?!?! [[User:Veleek|Veleek]] ([[User talk:Veleek|talk]]) 23:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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As it's a logarithmic scale, is it more correct to say the plot been expanded to 1 on both axes? [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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It seems Randall thinks an astronomer is about as bright as a lightbulb, probably due to the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram itself! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 15:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
:A daily food consumption of average human is about 100W when spread out over 24 hours<br />
::It might actually be about that bright, but in the infrared spectrum. http://elte.prompt.hu/sites/default/files/tananyagok/InfraredAstronomy/ch01s04.html [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.89|108.162.246.89]] 20:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
:But they are no where near as hot!<br />
::You seem to overestimate the attractiveness of most lightbulbs. I've only seen a few that I would consider really hot.<br />
[[Special:Contributions/172.69.198.10|172.69.198.10]] 20:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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While wattage is used as an informal proxy for bulb brightness, there is not a 1-to-1 relationship between power consumption and light output. Incandescent bulbs in the United States were commonly labeled with both watts consumed and lumens output to aid consumers in choosing efficient bulbs.<br />
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{{w|Ivanpah Solar Power Facility|Ivanpah}} doesn't have a salt tank. Presumably he meant the boiler, and/or was confusing it with {{w|Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project|Crescent Dunes}}.<br />
[[User:Wwoods|Wwoods]] ([[User talk:Wwoods|talk]]) 17:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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I understand the explanation, but what's the joke?<br />
<br />
The title text says "The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen." But it's clearly on the top left corner... Am I missing something? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.106|108.162.219.106]] 18:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Why would it be at the top left...? The diagram itself is not particularly luminous, so would not be at the top, and its apparent temperature is quite low, so it would not be on the left.<br />
<br />
<br />
Why is a blue whale considered more luminous than a campfire? Blue whales don't generate any light.<br />
<br />
In one of the interesting parts of this diagram not that many mundane objects (or at least smaller than earth objects) are much hotter than most stars (surface temperature)... Not mentioned now.--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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I think the current explanation is still taking some of the graph too literally, thereby missing some of the jokes. After all, Randall creates comics, sometimes using innuendo or subtlety to make a point. I still think some of the items on the graph are plotted using luminosity as a measure of "brightness" in the sense of smartness. No offense intended, but he must have had a reason for including France below the planets and the blue whale above the astronomer. Furthermore, the title text is likely talking about the actual HR diagram not being very "bright" in the same way the astronomer is in the lower-right corner of the graph, except when it is displayed on a jumbotron. If you're an astronomer, you might not like hearing this, but the meaning of the HR diagram is difficult to grasp correctly. To leave out any mention of smartness is likely missing the most significant jokes in the comic. Please feel free to disagree, but remember it's still just a comic! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 00:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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: More specifically to my point, this part of the explanation<br />
:: "the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted..."<br />
: is not correct. The title text states the diagram itself would probably be plotted in the lower-right corner, not the screen displaying it - the screen was only related to the second part of the title text! This IS the primary joke in the comic and likely why Randall is making fun of it in the first place. This is also likely the reason for the astronomer to ALSO be plotted in this corner - I doubt that is just a coincidence. Maybe Randall was too subtle for his point to get through to readers! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 04:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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: Just in case I'm also being too subtle, I think Randall is saying that the HR diagram is neat to look at (as in really cool) but also stupid (as in not very bright), putting it in the lower-right corner of itself (cool and dim)! There, I said it! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 04:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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How come this diagram says an LED bulb is hotter than a lightbulb, and both are hotter than a campfire? That doesn't seem right. [[User:YM Industries|YM Industries]] ([[User talk:YM Industries|talk]]) 01:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
:The confusion is coming from the fact that the arrow at the top is pointing toward lower temperatures. I'm not sure if this is intentional, or if it is a mistake, but seems to be confusing a lot of people (including myself until I read the actual numbers)[[User:Probably not Douglas Hofstadter|Probably not Douglas Hofstadter]] ([[User talk:Probably not Douglas Hofstadter|talk]]) 03:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
:: I noticed that the arrow was pointing in a confusing direction, but LED bulb is to the left of the campfire. The diagram clearly says it's hotter. I'm very confused by this comic. [[User:YM Industries|YM Industries]] ([[User talk:YM Industries|talk]]) 05:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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: The location of the LED and Lightbulb temperatures may be related to the actual light source points of these objects (diode junction and wire filament) rather than the outer shells that we can touch. I don't know enough about their internal temperatures to say for sure, but that might explain their positions. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 05:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Worked it out, it's referring to the colour temperature. [[User:YM Industries|YM Industries]] ([[User talk:YM Industries|talk]]) 05:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
::Right. The color temperature of an LED bulb can be much higher than a blackbody of the same power and area because it emits in only a small spectral region.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.47|108.162.238.47]] 05:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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I'm pretty sure there shouldn't be a table in the transcript? I've moved it, but now the table needs to be filled and the transcript needs some work. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 03:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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Venus' temperature is correct. Randall is using planetary equilibrium temperature <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_equilibrium_temperature</ref> [[User:Astronorn|Astronorn]] ([[User talk:Astronorn|talk]]) 04:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=1590832009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:21:28Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Table */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2009<br />
| date = June 20, 2018<br />
| title = Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram<br />
| image = hertzsprung_russell_diagram.png<br />
| titletext = The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Created by a RED GIANT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
<br />
The {{w|Hertzsprung–Russell diagram}} is a scatterplot showing absolute luminosities of stars against its effective temperature or color. It's generally used to understand a star's age.<br />
<br />
The axes are labeled in {{w|Kelvin}} (degrees {{w|Celsius}} above {{w|absolute zero}}) for {{w|effective temperature}} and, in a unlike many Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams, {{w|Watts}} for {{w|luminosity}}. While most Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams are labelled in units of {{w|solar luminosity}} or {{w|absolute magnitude}}, all three are perfectly valid measures of {{w|luminosity}}, which refers to the total power emitted by the star (or other body). {{w|Effective temperature}} refers to temperature of a blackbody with the same surface area and luminosity. This is meant to provide an estimate of the surface temperature of the object.<br />
<br />
Regular Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams cover ranges of about 1,000K to 30,000K, and what is labeled on this diagram as 10<sup>21</sup> to 10<sup>33</sup> watts&mdash;i.e. the upper-left corner. Extended diagrams increase the luminosity range only to include the "Brown Dwarfs". This diagram has been extended to much lower magnitudes on both axes. The joke comes from the absurdity of a diagram meant for stars including much smaller objects, such as planets ... and astronomers.<br />
<br />
Though not included in the diagram, the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted somewhere in the lower right corner due to its (relatively) low brightness and heat output. Bigger screens have a higher power output (in terms of luminosity) and are thus positioned further towards the diagram's top corner. An "unusually big screen" would have to be something like a JumboTron for its luminosity to put it outside of the lower right corner.<br />
==Table==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
!Item<br />
!Effective Temperature<br />
!Luminosity<br />
!Explanation / Comments<br />
|-<br />
|Betelgeuse<br />
|3200 K<br />
|1.6 * 10<sup>31</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Vega<br />
|10,000 K<br />
|1.8 * 10<sup>28</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Sun<br />
|5800 K<br />
|3.6 * 10<sup>26</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Proxima Centauri<br />
|2700 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>23</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|HD 189733b<br />
|2100 K<br />
|4.8 * 10<sup>21</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Interior of a hydrogen bomb during detonation<br />
|~10<sup>8</sup> K<br />
|~10<sup>20</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Jupiter<br />
|285 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>18</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Venus<br />
|330 K<br />
|5.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|It appears that this might have been misplaced on the temperature axis, being far too closely placed to France and to Earth. In fact Venus is at 735K where Earth has a mean of 287K.<br />
|-<br />
|Earth<br />
|300 K<br />
|3.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Mars<br />
|255<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Moon<br />
|300 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Nuclear Fireball<br />
|8000 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|France<br />
|300 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|This is part of Earth (and more precisely a part of Europe), the same temperature as Earth, but less luminous in proportion to its surface area. Including this may be a joke referencing the two possible meanings of ‘Europa’ (see the next entry).<br />
|-<br />
|Europa<br />
|90 K<br />
|3.5 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|While this term could refer to Europe (a part of Earth, of which France (the previous entry) is a further part), the temperature and luminosity are both too small for that, so it must refer to the moon of Jupiter instead.<br />
|-<br />
|Lightning Bolt<br />
|30,000 K<br />
|30 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Ivanpah Solar Plant Salt Tank<br />
|1200 K<br />
|1.2 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Medium-sized Lava Lake<br />
|800 K<br />
|32 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Cruise Ship<br />
|325 K<br />
|30 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Campfire<br />
|870 K<br />
|7.0 kW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Blue Whale<br />
|280 K<br />
|78 kW<br />
|(Must be average surface temperature as whales are warm-blooded @ ~100F, also the power seems high compared to what I can find)<br />
|-<br />
|Arc Lamp<br />
|65,000 K<br />
|150 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Lightbulb<br />
|4800 K<br />
|75 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|LED Bulb<br />
|5800 K<br />
|8 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Astronomer<br />
|310 K<br />
|100 W<br />
| The body temperature of a human (astronomer or otherwise) is about 310K (37°C)<br />
|}<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
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[A scatter plot is shown, with the x-axis labeled Effective Temperature (in degrees Kelvin, and the y-axis Luminosity (watts).]<br />
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{{comic discussion}}</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=1590822009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:13:38Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Table */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2009<br />
| date = June 20, 2018<br />
| title = Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram<br />
| image = hertzsprung_russell_diagram.png<br />
| titletext = The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Created by a RED GIANT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
<br />
The {{w|Hertzsprung–Russell diagram}} is a scatterplot showing absolute luminosities of stars against its effective temperature or color. It's generally used to understand a star's age.<br />
<br />
The axes are labeled in {{w|Kelvin}} (degrees {{w|Celsius}} above {{w|absolute zero}}) for {{w|effective temperature}} and, in a unlike many Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams, {{w|Watts}} for {{w|luminosity}}. While most Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams are labelled in units of {{w|solar luminosity}} or {{w|absolute magnitude}}, all three are perfectly valid measures of {{w|luminosity}}, which refers to the total power emitted by the star (or other body). {{w|Effective temperature}} refers to temperature of a blackbody with the same surface area and luminosity. This is meant to provide an estimate of the surface temperature of the object.<br />
<br />
Regular Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams cover ranges of about 1,000K to 30,000K, and what is labeled on this diagram as 10<sup>21</sup> to 10<sup>33</sup> watts&mdash;i.e. the upper-left corner. Extended diagrams increase the luminosity range only to include the "Brown Dwarfs". This diagram has been extended to much lower magnitudes on both axes. The joke comes from the absurdity of a diagram meant for stars including much smaller objects, such as planets ... and astronomers.<br />
<br />
Though not included in the diagram, the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted somewhere in the lower right corner due to its (relatively) low brightness and heat output. Bigger screens have a higher power output (in terms of luminosity) and are thus positioned further towards the diagram's top corner. An "unusually big screen" would have to be something like a JumboTron for its luminosity to put it outside of the lower right corner.<br />
==Table==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
!Item<br />
!Effective Temperature<br />
!Luminosity<br />
!Explanation / Comments<br />
|-<br />
|Betelgeuse<br />
|3200 K<br />
|1.6 * 10<sup>31</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Vega<br />
|10,000 K<br />
|1.8 * 10<sup>28</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Sun<br />
|5800 K<br />
|3.6 * 10<sup>26</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Proxima Centauri<br />
|2700 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>23</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|HD 189733b<br />
|2100 K<br />
|4.8 * 10<sup>21</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Interior of a hydrogen bomb during detonation<br />
|~10<sup>8</sup> K<br />
|~10<sup>20</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Jupiter<br />
|285 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>18</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Venus<br />
|330 K<br />
|5.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|It appears that this might have been misplaced on the temperature axis, being far too closely placed to France and to Earth. In fact Venus is at 735K where Earth has a mean of 287K.<br />
|-<br />
|Earth<br />
|300 K<br />
|3.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Mars<br />
|255<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Moon<br />
|300 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Nuclear Fireball<br />
|8000 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|France<br />
|300 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|This is part of Earth (and more precisely a part of Europe), the same temperature as Earth, but less luminous in proportion to its surface area. Including this may be a joke referencing the two possible meanings of ‘Europa’ (see the next entry).<br />
|-<br />
|Europa<br />
|90 K<br />
|3.5 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|While this term could refer to Europe (a part of Earth, of which France (the previous entry) is a further part), the temperature and luminosity are both too small for that, so it must refer to the moon of Jupiter instead.<br />
|-<br />
|Lightning Bolt<br />
|30,000 K<br />
|30 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Ivanpah Solar Plant Salt Tank<br />
|1200 K<br />
|1.2 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Medium-sized Lava Lake<br />
|800 K<br />
|32 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Cruise Ship<br />
|325 K<br />
|30 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Campfire<br />
|870 K<br />
|7.0 kW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Blue Whale<br />
|280 K<br />
|78 kW<br />
|(Seems like a lot of power?)<br />
|-<br />
|Arc Lamp<br />
|65,000 K<br />
|150 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Lightbulb<br />
|4800 K<br />
|75 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|LED Bulb<br />
|5800 K<br />
|8 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Astronomer<br />
|310 K<br />
|100 W<br />
| The body temperature of a human (astronomer or otherwise) is about 310K (37°C)<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Transcript==<br />
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
[A scatter plot is shown, with the x-axis labeled Effective Temperature (in degrees Kelvin, and the y-axis Luminosity (watts).]<br />
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{{comic discussion}}</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2009:_Hertzsprung-Russell_Diagram&diff=1590812009: Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram2018-06-21T05:06:48Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Table */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2009<br />
| date = June 20, 2018<br />
| title = Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram<br />
| image = hertzsprung_russell_diagram.png<br />
| titletext = The Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is located in its own lower right corner, unless you're viewing it on an unusually big screen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Created by a RED GIANT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
<br />
The {{w|Hertzsprung–Russell diagram}} is a scatterplot showing absolute luminosities of stars against its effective temperature or color. It's generally used to understand a star's age.<br />
<br />
The axes are labeled in {{w|Kelvin}} (degrees {{w|Celsius}} above {{w|absolute zero}}) for {{w|effective temperature}} and, in a unlike many Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams, {{w|Watts}} for {{w|luminosity}}. While most Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams are labelled in units of {{w|solar luminosity}} or {{w|absolute magnitude}}, all three are perfectly valid measures of {{w|luminosity}}, which refers to the total power emitted by the star (or other body). {{w|Effective temperature}} refers to temperature of a blackbody with the same surface area and luminosity. This is meant to provide an estimate of the surface temperature of the object.<br />
<br />
Regular Hertzsprung–Russell diagrams cover ranges of about 1,000K to 30,000K, and what is labeled on this diagram as 10<sup>21</sup> to 10<sup>33</sup> watts&mdash;i.e. the upper-left corner. Extended diagrams increase the luminosity range only to include the "Brown Dwarfs". This diagram has been extended to much lower magnitudes on both axes. The joke comes from the absurdity of a diagram meant for stars including much smaller objects, such as planets ... and astronomers.<br />
<br />
Though not included in the diagram, the title text notes that the screen displaying the diagram would probably be plotted somewhere in the lower right corner due to its (relatively) low brightness and heat output. Bigger screens have a higher power output (in terms of luminosity) and are thus positioned further towards the diagram's top corner. An "unusually big screen" would have to be something like a JumboTron for its luminosity to put it outside of the lower right corner.<br />
==Table==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
!Item<br />
!Effective Temperature<br />
!Luminosity<br />
!Explanation<br />
|-<br />
|Betelgeuse<br />
|3200 K<br />
|1.6 * 10<sup>31</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Vega<br />
|10,000 K<br />
|1.8 * 10<sup>28</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Sun<br />
|5800 K<br />
|3.6 * 10<sup>26</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Proxima Centauri<br />
|2700 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>23</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|HD 189733b<br />
|2100 K<br />
|4.8 * 10<sup>21</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Interior of a hydrogen bomb during detonation<br />
|~10<sup>8</sup> K<br />
|~10<sup>20</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Jupiter<br />
|285 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>18</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Venus<br />
|330 K<br />
|5.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|It appears that this might have been misplaced on the temperature axis, being far too closely placed to France and to Earth. In fact Venus is at 735K where Earth has a mean of 287K.<br />
|-<br />
|Earth<br />
|300 K<br />
|3.0 * 10<sup>17</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Mars<br />
|255<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Moon<br />
|300 K<br />
|1.2 * 10<sup>16</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Nuclear Fireball<br />
|8000 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|France<br />
|300 K<br />
|2.0 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|This is part of Earth (and more precisely a part of Europe), the same temperature as Earth, but less luminous in proportion to its surface area. Including this may be a joke referencing the two possible meanings of ‘Europa’ (see the next entry).<br />
|-<br />
|Europa<br />
|90 K<br />
|3.5 * 10<sup>14</sup> W<br />
|While this term could refer to Europe (a part of Earth, of which France (the previous entry) is a further part), the temperature and luminosity are both too small for that, so it must refer to the moon of Jupiter instead.<br />
|-<br />
|Lightning Bolt<br />
|30,000 K<br />
|30 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Ivanpah Solar Plant Salt Tank<br />
|1200 K<br />
|1.2 GW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Medium-sized Lava Lake<br />
|800 K<br />
|32 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Cruise Ship<br />
|325 K<br />
|30 MW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Campfire<br />
|870 K<br />
|7.0 kW<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Blue Whale<br />
|280 K<br />
|78 kW<br />
|(Seems like a lot of power?)<br />
|-<br />
|Arc Lamp<br />
|65,000 K<br />
|150 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Lightbulb<br />
|4800 K<br />
|75 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|LED Bulb<br />
|5800 K<br />
|8 W<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Astronomer<br />
|310 K<br />
|100 W<br />
| The body temperature of a human (astronomer or otherwise) is about 310K (37°C)<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Transcript==<br />
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
[A scatter plot is shown, with the x-axis labeled Effective Temperature (in degrees Kelvin, and the y-axis Luminosity (watts).]<br />
<br />
{{comic discussion}}</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:116:_City&diff=137665Talk:116: City2017-03-22T03:56:19Z<p>108.162.238.47: </p>
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<div>It's a long jump, but could it be a reference to [http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/mayhem/chimera.html#1 Whore], a song by a Norwegian death metal band Mayhem? Similarities include the rhythm and the "alliteration" effect. I wouldn't call it, but with the extra hint in the title text it begins to appear probable. Kos [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.11|108.162.219.11]] 15:56, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think Randall knows Norwegian Heavy Metal bands. But maybe I'm wrong, wiki says "Mayhem is a Norwegian black metal band formed in 1984 in Oslo". So the question is: How popular was this band in the US over the last thirty years? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:58, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Popular enough to be easily recognisable by anyone interested in the genre; it even got a major feature in a documentary (Until the Light Takes Us). That said, I understand that black metal itself is too niche to just assume Randall would be into it. Kos [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.11|108.162.219.11]] 08:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
The drawing combined with the poem makes me think of Chicago by Carl Sandburg (even though that doesn't have a much alliteration. -Jason [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.47|108.162.238.47]] 03:56, 22 March 2017 (UTC)</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1760:_TV_Problems&diff=131120Talk:1760: TV Problems2016-11-17T14:24:19Z<p>108.162.238.47: </p>
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Do we even want to see the news any more? [[User:Hutchy01|Hutchy01]] ([[User talk:Hutchy01|talk]]) 15:45, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think the millennial comment is necessary. It really encourages a stereotype more than anything, and there is nothing whatsoever in the actual comic to suggest that cueball is trying to control the television with the smartphone. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.221|162.158.126.221]] 15:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Possibly he uses a television as his monitor, but the HDMI (or VGA if it's old enough) connection isn't working (and if he's like me, he might not own an antenna to allow him to use his television normally). If I plug a second monitor into my laptop, I have to specifically tell my laptop to change the display. If his operating system is messed up, he probably can't even do that. He could be downloading a OS CD so that he can reformat, then he may have to deal with the follow-up of reinstalling all relevant drivers. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.196|108.162.210.196]] 16:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: This feels like the correct interpretation to me. He uses his computer to watch TV (Count me as a second guy who does this), but the HDMI driver is broken. But something is broken on his OS, so he can't fix the HDMI until he fixes the OS. Fixing the OS requires replacing some of the data on it. Historically, this requires a CD, but most modern laptops no longer have CD players, and you download the "CD" on the internet. But the OS is broken, so you have to use something else (the phone) to download that. So you can add a "CD" to your laptop. So you can fix the OS. So you can fix the HDMI driver. So you can do something people have been doing for long before CD's were invented: watch the news.<br />
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: There is a strong theme of advancing technology not quite replacing the technology behind it, even though it renders the tech 'obsolete'. A television is simple. CD drives are plug and play, even when fixing OSes. Using your computer to watch 'TV' is commonplace. But then the OS breaks and all these simple technologies fail one by one. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.47|108.162.238.47]] 14:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC) <br />
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Many computers these days don't come with optical drives so, rather than a "Rescue CD" you need to use a "Rescue USB". But how do you download that rescue image if your computer's broken? Use the browser in your phone. As a bonus, Android phones (at least) can masquerade as USB drives (see DriveDroid) so that the PC can boot from the image downloaded on the phone. It might also be worth referencing the trope of "Turn on the news" -> TV turns on just as something relevant to the plot is being announced. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.168|141.101.98.168]] 16:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I think this is what he is trying to do actually. His computer doesn't have a CD slot, so he is downloading the image from the DC to his phone to use as a USB to reimage his computer, but somehow his computer is so messed up, reimaging it will not be enough and he needs to use the TV as a monitor so that he can debug [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.80|173.245.48.80]] 19:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Are we sure this is about Cueball having done something exotic to cause the problem, as opposed to the increasing level of technology (and therefore delicacy) in the modern home? I've heard reports of a smart TV that crashed because someone came into its range with a phone that had an SSID with an emoji in it; I've seen many PCs end up inoperable because of standard updates, and I've certainly downloaded drivers with my phone. Even if the PC isn't being used to show the news, the TV could be in need of a firmware upgrade that may require the PC to be working (for example if the PC is running network routing). Cueball could understand how the electronics industry got itself into a position where the devices were interdependent and even eventually know how to fix them without actually having done anything himself to cause a breakage; my ISP similarly "upgraded" my email in several steps that made it utterly unusable for me while presumably believing they were improving it. Cueball may be guilty of nothing more than being an early-adopter, since a more elderly TV would likely just work. Disclaimer: I work in the tech industry, and there's a reason there's old stuff in my house; a friend with a set-up like Cueball's took twenty minutes to play a CD when I handed it to him.[[User:Fluppeteer|Fluppeteer]] ([[User talk:Fluppeteer|talk]]) 17:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The comment that the "real" TV remote is better than a cellphone is really badly wrong. If you ever have to "type" a search for a movie title into a smart-TV (or in my case, a Roku) using the arrow and "OK" buttons on a remote - you'll REALLY appreciate being able to use the phone's touch screen keyboard to type with. I also have problems in my media room with getting a good line of sight to the TV's IR receiver - and because the "phone remote" uses WiFi, that's also not a problem. Then, I can use my "phone remote" to talk to any of the TV's in the house - which is really good if I went into another room and left the TV on by mistake. My phone can turn it off from anywhere that's within WiFi range. So, no - it's NOT the case that a TV remote is obviously "better" than using a phone app to control it.<br />
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Of course, knowing CueBall, he's probably running his TV remote 'app' in an Android emulator that's running on a hacked Nest Thermostat that he has to plug in out in the back yard in order to keep it cold enough to prevent it from switching his heating off - which matters because his WiFi router gets it's power from the +5v lines of the furnace's controller after he lost the "wall wart" supply for it. Since the furnace controller is running Impala (aka Windows Embedded v4.0), it needs to be upgraded to 4.17 because it was installed with a south-american daylight savings time zone in order that CueBall could use the Patagonian variant of the DVORJAK keyboard which (as I'm sure you know) was the only one left in the house that still works after the LAST time this happened! Since the controller thinks it's in Patagonia, it will soon automatically turn off the heat as "summertime" arrives - thereby killing the WiFi router and preventing him from getting online to fix it all. Which (of course) is why he needs to download the upgrade CD onto his phone rather urgently! Sorry if you didn't find this sufficiently obvious from reading between the lines in the cartoon - but that's why this website exists! :-) [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 17:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Guys, I think you have missed something. A few days ago, the PS4 pro problems connecting to 4k monitors were in the news. Of course this was due to the new version of HDCP required that had issues. I assume the author read that and remembered previous problems with HDCP (e.g. I could not get my HD DVDs playing on non HDCP monitors or with non HDCP video cards, unless I used some hacks etc). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.203|141.101.98.203]] 18:33, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Reading the tech comments (well, skimming, since I don't have a glimmer of comprehension) takes me back to my childhood, when we had a foolproof method of turning on the TV, changing channels, etc. 1) Get off the couch; 2) walk to TV; 3) turn a knob; 4) return to couch. ;) [[User:MaineGrammy|MaineGrammy]] ([[User talk:MaineGrammy|talk]]) 11:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Trouble is, the TV in my media room is bolted to the 10' tall cathedral ceiling - so that would boil down to: 1) Get off couch, 2) walk to garage, 3) Get the LARGE A-frame ladder, 4) Carry it downstairs to media room, 5) Notice that TV is devoid of knobs, switches or any other controls, 6)...etc. So definitely need the remote! [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 13:33, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Hutchy01 has a point: this comic is political, as were 1756 & 1759. Cueball is doing everything that he can not to watch the news; even after he fixes his computer, he still won't be able to watch it. White Hat misinterprets him, asking about his computer science degree to imply he ought to be able to take care of a simple thing like this. Cueball replies that no, this is not the case - much as his computer science degree allows him to diagnose computer problems, being well educated does not help him to perform anything more than a postmortem on how wrong election forecasts were. The title text might be implying that being authoritative on a topic has nothing to do with determining how events actually transpire. [[User:Usbcord|Usbcord]] ([[User talk:Usbcord|talk]]) 19:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
: >_> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.196|108.162.210.196]] 20:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I'd strongly push back on presenting this view point as anything other than an alternative interpretation, and even that's a stretch. This relies on several assumptions that don't really have much evidence to back them up, and the title text strongly supports the original interpretation being the intended one, making little sense in the context of not wanting to watch the news compared to how experts are more likely to encounter issues in their field. The characters would have to misunderstand the other on nearly half the lines, and then respond with strange phrasings (in the context of the alternative interpretation) which better fit the primary interpretation. Additionally, I think labeling comics as political, and especially referencing previous recent comics as the same, doesn't really add anything and is kind of odd to put in. Why just refer to these two recent comics, when there are hundreds that could fall under any label of "political" that 1759 qualifies for? While 1756 is a much more clear cut example, it also goes to show that there are much more blatant examples of political comics. Also, if you are to reference comics, do so with a link to the explanation page for that comic, like this: [[1759: British Map]]. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.130|108.162.215.130]] 02:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I have no idea why anyone thinks 1759 was political. Could someone explain? --[[User:AnotherAnonymous|AnotherAnonymous]] ([[User talk:AnotherAnonymous|talk]]) 08:22, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Since his computer is broken maybe he's using the TV as a monitor to help download the CD? [[User:SparklyDingo|SparklyDingo]] ([[User talk:SparklyDingo|talk]]) 16:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)--<br />
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Could we explain what his technical problem or current set up is more clearly? I still don't understand what he is attempting to do or why he needs his phone, a CD, and his TV to get his computer running. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.142.227|162.158.142.227]]<br />
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: I think the point is that CueBall is notorious for overly hackish solutions to otherwise fairly simple problems - we know that his efforts to fix things often spiral out of control: [https://xkcd.com/1739] states it explicitly, [http://xkcd.com/456] is a cautionary tale and [https://xkcd.com/349] makes the consequences rather clear! Also, his approach to fixing problems is often dangeously "creative" ([https://xkcd.com/1495] for example). So it seems safe to assume that he can't watch things on his TV because it's somehow tied into his computer (perhaps he uses MythTV or something similar) - which for some other reason needs to be upgraded, which requires a CD, which he can't read for some other reason (probably his CDROM drive is inoperable because the PC is screwed up) and is therefore having to download it onto his phone, which is quite possibly the last remaining piece of working tech that he has to hand. This would be a rather extreme reason for not being able to turn on your TV - but it's not without precedent for this character in other strips. If trying making a PC dual boot results in them swimming for their lives from sharks...this scenario is one of the less extreme problems he gets into. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 13:33, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Indeed, I feel this is the proper explanation of the comic much more than the current state of the main explanation, and it is supported by the title text as well. Cueball is an expert to the extent that he probably stopped using an ordinary TV a long time ago, and now runs a complicated set up which has many more modes of failure and is bound to go wrong at some point. The skydiving instructor is expert at skydiving, but because of that expertise he's far more likely to actually go skydiving than Cueball, and so he has a non-zero chance of catastrophic failure. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.226.107|108.162.226.107]] 13:57, 17 November 2016 (UTC)</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1756:_I%27m_With_Her&diff=130343Talk:1756: I'm With Her2016-11-08T17:41:34Z<p>108.162.238.47: </p>
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<div>An ad for Hillary? Well, I just removed Thing Explainer and What If from my whistlist. I gave Thing Explainer as a gift last year. I now regret that. Oh, and a coworker's husband blacklisted XKCD from their router. Great idea.<br />
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The "I'm with her" and H with an arrow are CLEARLY the respective campaign slogan and campaign logo for Hillary Clinton, not some vagueness having to do with bringing a significant other. {{unsigned ip|173.245.48.78}}<br />
:I see it more as him endorsing voting regardless of who you vote for (as evidenced by half the comic is about "Here's how you vote" without any mention of candidates or issues) and the endorsing Clinton part is an add-on as if to say "This is how I'm voting; vote for her if you agree with me." [[User:Jeudi Violist|Jeudi Violist]] ([[User talk:Jeudi Violist|talk]]) 18:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:If you're so insecure about your political beliefs that you abandon a comic you've followed for years just because they have a different opinion to you then maybe you should stop using the internet because you're just going to lose all your hobbies. {{unsigned ip|148.197.114.136}}<br />
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Has Randall endorsed a presidential candidate before? --[[User:Dfeuer|Dfeuer]] ([[User talk:Dfeuer|talk]]) 17:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:He supported Obama on his blog in '08, not in the comic though. {{unsigned ip|162.158.214.230}}<br />
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He could have said any number of clever things about the election, and all he did was put up a campaign sign. Disappointing. [[User:Gmcgath|Gmcgath]] ([[User talk:Gmcgath|talk]]) 17:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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what a cuck --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.51.63|172.68.51.63]] 17:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: leaving aside the most ridiculous slur of the past few years, I don't know what else did you expect from Randall. I guess you must have stumbled upon this wiki by chance and have never heard of xkcd before.--[[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.130|141.101.98.130]] 17:59, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: AHAHAHAHA. *Ahem.* Hooray for pejorative misappropriation of a kink. /s [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.55|108.162.246.55]] 19:07, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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This is the first time I still don't get the joke even after reading the explainxkcd page [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.123|108.162.219.123]] 18:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:It isn't a joke. [[Randall]] is simply encouraging people to vote. [[User:GizmoDude|GizmoDude]] ([[User talk:GizmoDude|talk]]) 20:55, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Funny how females outdo males in this 'comic' but in terms of frequency and of elevation. Oh well. xkcd has long been overrepresenting females, it was to be expected. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{{unsigned ip|162.158.201.90}}<br />
:Seriously? You're whinging 'what about the men?' in a geek web comic?! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.212|108.162.215.212]] 18:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::And there are 11 characters and they are split 5 to 6, and if Blondie represents Clinton then there are 5 to 5 M vs W supporters. ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:"Overrepresenting"?! If there were too many guys you wouldn't bat an eye because it's 'accurate' to whatever demographic you think xkcd is supposed to represent, but as soon as Randall draws 'too many women' you whinge about the oppression of men. First off, even if the readership is male-dominated, that doesn't have any impact on who the comic can portray. Second, there is nothing oppressive about seeing women portrayed in equal numbers or -heaven forbid- in positions of power.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.118.191|172.68.118.191]] 00:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: >If there were too many guys you wouldn't bat an eye because it's 'accurate' to whatever demographic you think<br />
:: You are literally a priori accusing me of bias regarding what I would have done in a comparable situation.<br />
:: >you think xkcd is supposed to represent<br />
:: xkcd's focus is exceedingly well-defined. It is often narrowed down to a particular academic field. It is not subjective.<br />
:: >you whinge about the oppression of men<br />
:: Please refrain from putting such words in my mouth. Overrepresentation is a numerical fact -- 'oppression' is a charged term which I doubt has a valid definition.<br />
:: >even if the readership is male-dominated, that doesn't have any impact on who the comic can portray<br />
:: You seem to be implying that my mention of overrepresentation pertains to overrepresentation with respect to viewership rather than with respect of gender balance in scientific fields Randall depicts.<br />
:: >there is nothing oppressive about seeing women portrayed in equal numbers or -heaven forbid- in positions of power<br />
:: Again, you are seeing claims of 'oppression' that are not there. I do not use this word -- I am talking strictly about gender quantity. In other words, I don't object to 'oppression', but to distortion of truth. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> {{unsigned ip|162.158.203.152}}<br />
:::Oh shit, you're not joking. I don't think Randall cared in the slightest how many of each gender there were, or where they were placed. You are creating a problem which isn't there, and missing what the comic is actually trying to say. It appears that whatever Randall puts in a comic, you'll find a problem with it. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.60|162.158.2.60]] 09:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Almost every comic depicting a scientific (academic, laboratory, engineering) context contains a female. As a matter of fact, I looked up the last 20 or so comics in the Science category. Where applicable, the gender proportion is:<br />
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::::>It appears that whatever Randall puts in a comic, you'll find a problem with it. <br />
::::You are making it hard not to conclude that you are not quite able to speak otherwise than in irrelevant falsehoods. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> {{unsigned ip|162.158.203.152}}<br />
:::::Like I said, Randall doesn't seem to concentrate on how gender is represented, and more on what the comic is about. Randall uses whatever fits best in each comic. Also, please refrian from using nowiki on "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" as your signature. It is against the rules, because technically your comment ends in "</nowiki>". It is also pointless, because your IP is recorded in edit history anyway. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.60|162.158.2.60]] 12:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::: 'Randall doesn't seem to concentrate on how gender is represented' -- it is quite remarkable for you to say so when the balance is significantly more than 1.5 : 1. As for my signature, 'my comment ending in </nowiki>' is literally false and, again, my choice of it is not intended to obscure my identity, but to signify irrelevance of it in discussion. <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki> {{unsigned ip|162.158.203.152 }}<br />
:I will tell my children and grandchildren that in the election of 2016, there was a guy so afraid of women that he complained that a webcomic about the election had "females outdo males...in terms of...of elevation". This is some 18th century stuff. It is the consummate combination of unawareness of self and of others. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.47|108.162.246.47]] <br />
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:: >there was a guy so afraid of women<br />
:: I regret to see you rely on such tactics.<br />
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The only disappointing this are comments like those two above. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.201.96|162.158.201.96]] 18:11, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Females being overrepresented in comics like xkcd (but also other ones) with respect to their controlled interest in science in reality is a fact. Therefore, you are calling facts disappointing. How geeky of you. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{{unsigned ip|162.158.201.90}}<br />
:: So, your real problem is that Randall likes using female stick figures, yes? Also, why are you afraid to "un-nowiki" your signature...? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.201.96|162.158.201.96]] 19:15, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: No. Allow me to repeat my point as you had apparently misunderstood: 'females being overrepresented'. This is something else than 'females being represented'. The more you know, the less chance there is for you to accidentally twist another person's words as misogyny/sexism. Also, identity is not relevant to discussion. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{{unsigned ip|162.158.201.90}}<br />
:::: I understood you perfectly fine. My point still stands: You don't like Randall's preference for female stick figures. I never said you're being misogynic/sexist, so please don't imply I did. Thing with your "hidden" identity is that it's plain visible in the history of this page, so there's really no need to nowiki the signature, that's all. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.201.96|162.158.201.96]] 20:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::: You are extremely skilled at saying things that are false and asserting that they're true. First you confused objecting to female overrepresentation (over-presence) with objecting to female representation (presence) ('your real problem is that Randall likes using female stick figures'). Then you moved to confusing objecting to female overrepresentation with objecting to *Randall's* female overrepresentation. My objection does not pertain to who is doing overrepresenting, but to the mere fact of it. I would have objected identically to any other writer. Also, your attributing of opposition to female presence in comics (after doing which which you proceeded to asserting my being personally hostile to Randall) is accusing of sexism/misogyny by definition. Also, I am obviously aware of edit history; my use my signature constitutes a reminder that identity is, as I said, irrelevant in discussion. It does not serve to obscure anything. You have a remarkable record of falsehoods. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{{unsigned ip|162.158.201.90}}<br />
::::::This is the most persistent troll I have seen in a long while. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.185|108.162.215.185]] 14:44, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I didn't make any false claims for you to point out. My comment about your trolling was the first comment I made. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.185|108.162.215.185]] 15:41, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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A little disappointing to have a normally lighthearted comic dive seriously into politics, if even for one strip. Not really a fan of either candidate, but would like to see stuff like this stay above the fray. {{unsigned ip|162.158.69.100}}<br />
:Completely agreed. [[User:SeanAhern|SeanAhern]] ([[User talk:SeanAhern|talk]]) 18:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Completely agreed 2. At first I though it's some kind of a romance statement ("be with her"). And from explainxkcd I have learnt that it's an US campaign ad. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.150|162.158.202.150]] 22:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Lighthearted? Try to read the comics in the [[:Category:Politics]] and [[:Category:Climate change]]. Also there are many other comics that are not at all light hearted. You must have mistaken this with some other web comic? :) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 23:33, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, lighthearted. Even the earlier political and climate change strips had a bit of humor in them (the only ones that really didn't have at least an attempt at humor were the cancer strips, understandably), this is just a straight up political ad. And while it's Randall's strip and he can do whatever he wants with it, it's just a little disappointing that he dove straight in to political ads. If nothing else, something like Black Hat trolling by voting for himself.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.69.100|162.158.69.100]] 12:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Well at least the I'm with her, could be interpreted like the "I'm with stupid"... :-) She is just less stupid than the alternative. Guess he seriously hopes this comic could make a difference and that he is afraid to do nothing. He reaches many people so who knows if this comic might swing an important state. You never know in a tight race. And although {{w|Nate Silver}} ([[:Category:Comics featuring Nate Silver|often referred to]] by Randall in the past) says that it's a [http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clinton-gains-and-the-polls-magically-converge/ 70% chance Hillary wins] then he is also not certain it will be her. So Randall does his best to avoid Trump as the big chief... He is even willing to loose some fans, although I think the majority of his readers prefers a world without a President Trump! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:51, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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This is a first... comics 500 and 1130 (possibly 1131 too) were related to the election, but didn't endorse a candidate. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.89|108.162.219.89]] 18:41, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I think Randall is pretty much just saying '''OH GOD PLEASE DONT VOTE FOR TRUMP''' [[User:GizmoDude|GizmoDude]] ([[User talk:GizmoDude|talk]]) 20:59, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: If Randall was saying that, he'd also be bringing up third party candidates (honestly surprised he didn't endorse Jill Stein considering she's more pro-science than Hillary. And before anyone says "anti-vax", check snopes. Jill Stein is so pro-vax [she's volunteered time vaccinated children and is on record saying she wants to increase vaccination rates], pro-addressing-climate[she's green party who has that as a primary platform], and wants to replace the people with business degrees on the panels of the FDA with people with science degrees. Jill is so pro-science and that it makes Hillary look like a flat-earther.) --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.42|108.162.246.42]] 21:30, 7 November 2016 (UTC) <br />
:::Jill Stein's stance on nuclear energy is an unscientific as it gets. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.196|108.162.210.196]] 23:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::No no no. If Randal just wish that Trump should not become president there is only one way to achieve this and that is by making Hillary win. This is not even saying that he likes her, he just dislikes the alternative more. Voting for anyone else might just help Trump. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 23:33, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Also, it looks like minutephysics has done a similar thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDeL4LGuBx4 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.89|108.162.219.89]] 00:44, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I came here to see what the tone of the comments were going to be. I was half expecting to find an all-out flamewar in progress. I was happy to see that the comments have not devolved into the kind of attacks that one would expect to find pretty much anywhere else on the Internet. Geeks are the best people. :) [[User:Mwburden|mwburden]] ([[User talk:Mwburden|talk]]) 18:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm very dissappointed. Randall never took sides before and - be it as it may - this comic is not a comic but plain out political campaign. Up until now I held xkcd in EXTREMELY high esteem - this comic put a serious dent in that opinion..<br />
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: I'm really torn about this one. On the one hand I feel that you HAVE to take sides in this one, if your only other option is Donald Trump... on the other hand, I never liked when web comics express political opinions. It will always end in a flame war and almost never have anything to do with the web comic itself. Randall should've just put up a "go vote becaues it's important" sign without taking sides. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.201.96|162.158.201.96]] 19:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm sure there are other comics out there that would agree with your ideology. [[User:Sturmovik|Sturmovik]] ([[User talk:Sturmovik|talk]]) 19:25, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Randall should do whatever Randall thinks he should do. Should he put up "go read about global warming" comics instead of take the side of AGW? If you think this example is an inappropriate one to use in contrasting this comic with the current political election cycle then you've completely ignored the stances of the two popular candidates. But back to the original point: if you don't like XKCD anymore because of this one comic then go find another comic or start your own. All of art is an expression of the person. Randall knew not everyone would like his beliefs when he pushed this out to the world and is obviously prepared to deal with any consequences of taking a stand on his website. I, for one, applaud him for doing so {{unsigned ip|162.158.69.19}}<br />
:: Randall did a comic about global warming a while back, which was very interesting. Because I heard the "earth has warmed up before" argument before and even used it myself at least once. The difference about the global warming comic is that he backed it up with scientific facts, which is well within the scope of this comic. Political opinions aren't (or did the slogan change to ''A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language and politics''?). Yes, of course he can do with his web comic whatever he wants to. But readers can express their opinions about what he does with it. It's called "freedom of speech", you know?[[Special:Contributions/162.158.201.96|162.158.201.96]] 20:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::[[1357|There's a comic for that.]] [[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.230|162.158.214.230]] 21:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Randall has endorsee Obama in 2008 and it is his comic and he can use it to endorse anyone he likes. I'm pretty sure he believes that he will only loose a few real fans of xkcd over this comic, because those who really enjoys all his comics in spite of for instance climate comics would really not like to see Trump as president. And would thus be happy if this comic helped in any way to avoid that. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 23:34, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Can you help list all the characters in the transcript? From left to right; they're Joanna (ponytail with EMP cannon) from [[322]]; Black Hat; unknown with kite; White Hat; possibly Miss Lenhart (but his hair is somewhat different from [[1519]]); unknown possibly Megan; cueball; unknown woman with glasses; Hairbun; Beret Guy; Cueball with toy sword from [[303]]. [[User:B jonas|B jonas]] ([[User talk:B jonas|talk]]) 19:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Not Miss Lenhart. Blondie. They are listed now. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 23:34, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Good for Randal. I had been noticing how many Hillary leaning artists had been pulling their punches this election, likely out of fear of trolling or loss of revenue. You want to know what courage looks like? This is is. [[User:Sturmovik|Sturmovik]] ([[User talk:Sturmovik|talk]]) 19:25, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Title text hasn't been explained yet. Is it a reference to the German chancellor Angela Merkel's phrase "Wir schaffen das!'? Don't know if Clinton has a slogan like Obama's "Yes, we can!". {{unsigned ip|162.158.91.36}}<br />
: That's the same I thought. But I'm not sure how well known this phrase is outside of Germany. However "Wir schaffen das!" always had a bitter taste - even considered ironic or sarcastic by some - (which e.g. "Yes, we can!" didn't), so I interpreted "We can do this!" as voting for Clinton is simply the lesser evil. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 08:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I find (linking to )this civicinnovation website rather questionable. They want to audit peoples address books based on who the names in there might vote for? That sounds like Erich Mielkes wildest dreams come true. Even German newspapers (where i'm from), which are 100% anti-Trump, have in the last days noted concern about the methods of Clintons supporters bullying the other side, and this is a disquieting new piece in that picture. I'll hope this is just a ploy to step up with Trump on the ''bad manners'' side. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.160|162.158.91.160]] 19:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The problem is that this isn't a comic, this is a campaign ad. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.238.38|162.158.238.38]] 20:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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;Could we please just NOT get politics involved in the comments, guys?<br />
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Just... please? [[User:Papayaman1000|Papayaman1000]] ([[User talk:Papayaman1000|talk]]) 20:34, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Are you serious. What had you expected :-) This is the most loaded comic of all time. It will even take down [[388: Fuck Grapefruit]], even though [[388:_Fuck_Grapefruit#Controversy|it beat his blog]] about his Obama endorsement. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Randall has taken a side in a political Argument before: Not counting the near-invisible easter egg, comic 1005 consists solely of Randall taking a stance on something political and providing links to show how you can help. That wasn't too long ago, but no one freaked out about a serious, political strip back then.<br />
[[User:CJB42|CJB42]] ([[User talk:CJB42|talk]]) 20:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Policy to candidates is not an apples to apples comparison. People get much more up in arms when the topic is either a candidate or policy that goes against religious text or teachings. SOPA and PIPA were neither (well, unless you count GNU as some kind of internet religion). [[User:Zernin|Zernin]] ([[User talk:Zernin|talk]]) 21:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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It's sad to see a guy who is so smart in some areas, yet can not see Hillary Clinton for the terrible president she would be. (Granted, part of the reason we only have a few other choices is because of our messed up voting system.) {{unsigned ip|108.162.221.177}}<br />
:I agree with you that Hillary may be worse than almost any one else from the Democrats. But Trump is sooo much further out on a limp, and I'm sure this might be the only reason Randall makes this comic. He is seriously afraid of what woudl happen to the US and the rest of the world if Trump wins --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 23:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Instead of comic, post contained a political statement. I am not amused. I want a refund. I don't vote, and I don't even live anywhere near USA. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.96.102|141.101.96.102]] 18:40, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:A refund? For what? You pay to read this comic? [[User:Zorlax the Mighty|Zorlax the Mighty&#39;); DROP TABLE users;--]] ([[User talk:Zorlax the Mighty|talk]]) 21:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Darn right you better be with her. If you say anything else, you will "commit suicide". Just ask Vince Foster or Seth Rich if you think I'm crazy.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.77|173.245.48.77]] 21:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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What, Randy does not say "Bernie or Bust"? I feel cheated now. :P --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.150.228|162.158.150.228]] 22:54, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Poor Bernie. Poor America. Poor world. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.32|198.41.238.32]] 23:07, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Just good luck America (and the rest of the world where I belong), whatever happens tomorrow. But I'm hoping Randall can help his candidate win! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm with her... unfortunately : (. I just didn't think it made sense to donate to a billionaire. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.106|162.158.74.106]] 00:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Don't get political in the comments? The fucking "comic" is a fucking political ad. We're going to call this fucker out on his cuckery. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.27|162.158.74.27]] 01:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Honestly, I don't give a damn. Sure, I might not agree with his political leanings (hell, I don't want either of them in the WH), but it's just 1 comic. On Wednesday, he'll probably go back to the same stuff he's been doing for 1755 other strips. This will be nothing special. Just one comic. Sure, it might be politically fueled, but just because a person lets their leanings known doesn't mean you should be allowed to call them a "cuck" or cause a talk page for a popular comic, or a Reddit for a popular comic, devolve into the equivalent of monkeys flinging crap at walls. So just please deal with it and move on.<br />
Yours truly, [[User:GranadalandDreamer|GranadalandDreamer]] ([[User talk:GranadalandDreamer|talk]]) 01:14, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Randall's with *her*? good to know that randall considers arab life worthless/supports financiers over single African-american mothers/refuses to understand encryption/would rather spend public money on coal than retrain miners/loves trade deals that will hurt the poorest, increase inequality, damage the environment, homogenize culture, allow private corporations to sue elected governments/can't make his mind up over the Dakota Access pipeline/changes his accent depending on which state he is stumping in/was late to supporting gay marriage/lied repeatedly about coming under sniper fire in bosnia/has had to repeatedly plead incompetence or rely on bureaucratic politics to evade formal breach of contract or charges of criminality. Iowa, Utah and Wisconsin may have Gloria la Riva of the Party for Socialism and Liberation on the ballot, if you want a candidate who isn't an elitist. And if you didn't want splitters, you should have voted for Bernie. [[User:Cockhorse|Cockhorse]] ([[User talk:Cockhorse|talk]]) 02:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I mean it's not like Trump is going to be a whole lot better for Arab people, Black people, gay people, or pretty much anyone who's not a straight white dude. It's quite possible he voted for Bernie, but at this point it's a little late for him to be asking others to support Sanders. {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.71}}<br />
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:No, but that doesn't mean we should settle for clinton. It is not late to be asking for people to support Sanders, if anyone was doing that, because if the senate swings to the democrats he ends up in charge of the budget committee. Oh and I forgot one: randall is apparently also planning to disappoint all of us, even those who loathe him, within 100 days. [[User:Cockhorse|Cockhorse]] ([[User talk:Cockhorse|talk]]) 05:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like the Trumpettes are getting rather triggered over a web comic. Wasn't there a candidate in this election that was preaching against this whole getting easily offended by words thing? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.43|108.162.238.43]] 03:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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This just makes me... sad... [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.117|108.162.215.117]] 03:52, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Why is a webcomic about "romance, sarcasm, language, and math" taking a political stance and telling me who to vote for? Randall can have his own opinion, but this isn't okay. I've read this comic since ... gosh, since the low 200s-300s, so probably over 5 or 6 years and... I think I'm done. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.55|108.162.241.55]] 04:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:''Of course'' it's okay. It's his comic, which he gives us for free. He can use it to entertain us, to draw random pictures of extradimensional red spiders, or to advocate for a political candidate and inform people how to vote, especially people who may have a more difficult time doing so (like the disabled and elderly). However, I really ''must'' thank you... you claiming that this "isn't okay", and all the others here with ruffled feathers over it, makes a previously boring comic one of the most hilarious xkcds in a good long while. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.253|141.101.98.253.-730².♫.venus.🍅.Cthulu.♣️]] 10:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm surprised this wiki doesn't have a category for 'serious'/'no joke' comics, and least not that I spotted. There should be, and this should be in it. [[User:Teleksterling|Teleksterling]] ([[User talk:Teleksterling|talk]]) 04:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Am I the only one who sees Guy Fawkes in the logo? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.48|108.162.245.48]] 04:33, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I think the only other time Randall generated that much controversy here in comments was when suggested that all beer tastes bad. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.80.93|141.101.80.93]] 06:43, 8 November 2016 (UTC)rw<br />
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* The title text ''may'' be quoting - directly or indirectly - Angela Merkel's slogan ("We can do this", or in German "Wir schaffen das"), but I don't know why unless it's just an appropriate slogan. [[User:Schroduck|Schroduck]] ([[User talk:Schroduck|talk]]) 08:43, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Hej. I think it was the right thing to do, and if you read some of the older XKCDs (just think about the one about free speech - they just show you the door, and some others) you could have expected that this is his position. even through i would take the vote for stein on my part. I'm sorry for the situation of the citizens of the USA right now. Greetings from Oversea - and good luck today! --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.174|162.158.89.174]] 10:24, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Way to alienate half of your readership, Randall. Well, now we know that Randall is a socialist communist who hates America. {{unsigned ip|162.158.79.235}}<br />
* If you are so repulsed by seeing someone post something that you disagree with that you have to regress to early-teen insults, then I suggest you turn off all your electronic devices and start living in a cave. Engaging with people that we disagree with makes us smarter and better-informed. That said, it's Randall's comic that he provides to us at no charge - and if you stop reading today, you're automatically eligible for a full refund! [[User:Paddles|Paddles]] ([[User talk:Paddles|talk]]) 12:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Given that a big chunk of his readers must be non-US, and we don't really give a rat's arse which arse you elect, it is a bit disappointing there wasn't even something a little witty here. Other web-comic authors have often put things like this as an extra one between the others - and given that he missed a comic today, I don't see why he didn't do that. Anyway, have fun you lot and please try not to start any more wars.{{unsigned ip|141.101.98.217}}<br />
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Oh we non-USers do care!! I guess Randall just thinks today is too important to not make his position clear. Which is an admirable decision. I'm also shocked and surprised to find there may be Trumpers lurking on xkcd. Glad to hear so many of you are leaving, folks. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.34.134|172.68.34.134]] 16:46, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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;Hairbun with glasses<br />
I wonder if she is meant to represent [[wikipedia:Susan B. Anthony|Susan B. Anthony]]. SBA did have a bun (most photos) and glasses (later in life), and she is the most obvious person to be placed at the same prominent level as HRC.[[User:Sysin|Sysin]] ([[User talk:Sysin|talk]]) 14:42, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Well maybe, but Randall has drwan [[Hairbun]] with glasses like this several times before as also mentioned in the gallery. So I do not think any of the characters represents real persons except maybe the only one looking out at us, [[Blondie]] which would be how to draw Hillary in xkcd. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:45, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Is that final reminder, about being in line before the polls close true in all 50 states? I believe that Indiana nominally has a different law, that you must be inside the polling building when the polls close in order to vote, which is not quite the same thing. although in practice, it's usually enforced as "be in line" instead [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.45|162.158.75.45]] 15:30, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Frankly, The Hillary Logo isn't particularly egregious. He has two elements suggesting to vote for Hillary (the logo, and the "her"), and 5 elements about increasing general voter turnout. I don't like Clinton, but the comic is mostly about voting, nor voting for Clinton. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.47|108.162.238.47]] 17:41, 8 November 2016 (UTC)</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1753:_Thumb_War&diff=129885Talk:1753: Thumb War2016-11-02T21:06:30Z<p>108.162.238.47: </p>
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<div>I love this new perspective of the comic. Seeing the characters as kids is an interesting concept, especially when one of them is Black Hat. Hopefully more of these kind of comics will come to exist. I wonder what kind of "classhole" tendencies Black Hat had as a kid... --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:We also get to see Black Hat as a child in 1139: Rubber and Glue --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.78.124|172.68.78.124]] 15:00, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Well, yes, but I wonder... will Randall do anything else with this? --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 11:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I do not think so. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Is this really Hairy in the comic or just a young Cueball, just with hair? Note that also Black Hat has visible hair under his hat in this comic, whereas the adult version doesn't have hair (or at least none visible). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.141|162.158.202.141]] 14:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:This is Hairy as Hairy is not a single character, but just the name used to identify a stick figure with hair and to distinguish them from a Cueball (a stick figure without hair). The characters with hats are pretty much the only ones assumed to be non-generic recurring characters. Also, Black Hat does have hair, as seen in comic 377: Journal 2 --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.78.124|172.68.78.124]] 15:03, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
::It can be discussed again and again if children represents the adults. The current explanation makes it clear that these are children that probably grow up to be the two characters. In principle I would say they are not those two, just as any child drawn like Cueball or Megan are not those. And for that same reason it could be argued that this is not Hairy. But if the other is Black Hat as a child then why not Hairy. Both are also in the [[1139: Rubber and Glue]] mentioned above. (Actually all four mentioned here are in that as children). For the sake of this explanation it makes sense to use the names). --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::A good way to get around generic and recurring, diferentiated characters is to follow Black Hat Guy. Since he's one of the two most consistent recurring charaters of them all since [[72: Classhole]] (his literal establishing character moment), you can get the personalities, behavioural traits and relationships of the recurring Cueball, Megan, Hairy, Ponytail, etc. from looking at those that interact with him (you can do that with Beret Guy as well). It's not perfect, but you can establish your own canon regarding "the gang" and their adventures. {{unsigned ip|198.41.230.41}}<br />
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I didn't see Hairy's not wanting to play anymore as boredom but as either developing fear, or/and not wanting to play by weird rules he doesn't understand. Trivia; my school yard version didn't have a 5-6-7-8..., our thumb's shook "hands" and bowed to each other before the fight began. ~~[[Cris]] [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.57|108.162.245.57]] 15:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Agreed (on both parts). The current description's "…and then counting up by fours and making rhymes" was utterly foreign to me, and I had to read it a few times to make sure it really was implying that it was standard to count above four. I've ''never'' heard of anything beyond "One, two, three, four; I declare a thumb war!" (accompanied by the thumbs touching alternating sides of the "ring"). Unless we can get anyone who can support the claim that counting above 4 (with or without rhymes) is normal or even uncommon, it should probably be expunged. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.220|108.162.215.220]] 16:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I always learned it with two verses, although the second one varied - "1, 2, 3, 4. I declare a Thumb War." and then either "5, 6, 7, 8. Try to keep your thumbs straight." or "5, 6, 7, 8. This'll be a piece of cake." The last word of the second verse was the cue for the fight to begin. --BoomerSooner[[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.42|162.158.74.42]] 17:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Same. [[User:NotLock|NotLock]] ([[User talk:NotLock|talk]]) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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"Twenty" is a pretty good rhyme for "bunny" if you pronounce it "twenny", which is common in North America. Also, our local variant of Thumb War also stopped at four. [[User:Jkshapiro|Jkshapiro]] ([[User talk:Jkshapiro|talk]]) 01:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Okay, I thought I was alone, though where I come from it's pronounced [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:En-us-twenty.ogg /ˈtwʌn(t)i/]. (And I reveal the smallest bit more information about myself to the internets. Private eyes, gawk away.) --[[User:XndrK|XndrK]] ([[User talk:XndrK|talk]]) 02:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Plot twist: The character on the ''right'' is the one who grows up to be Black Hat. The one on the left is never seen as an adult, because Black Hat takes his hat, resulting in instant regression into emo stuff. [[User:Hppavilion1|Hppavilion1]] ([[User talk:Hppavilion1|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Well funny, but since it's Hairy on the left that is afraid of Black Hat this just doesn't make any sense ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Did other local variants have the index finger "sneak attack"? Index finger sneak attacks were always in play for me... [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.47|108.162.238.47]] 21:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)</div>108.162.238.47https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1093:_Forget&diff=1285941093: Forget2016-10-13T18:07:12Z<p>108.162.238.47: /* Explanation */ It jumped to the 35 figure too early, fix it</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 1093<br />
| date = August 10, 2012<br />
| title = Forget<br />
| image = forget.png<br />
| titletext = 'Baby Got Back' turned 20 this year. My favorite nostalgia show is VH1's 'I Love The Inexorable March of Time Toward the Grave That Awaits Us All.'<br />
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==Explanation==<br />
The median age in {{w|USA}} is currently about 37 years. Assuming that you must be at least five years old to remember a cultural event later, this means that anything that happened more than thirty-two years ago is remembered by a minority of people today. This applies to any event prior to 1980, so here in 2012, the majority of Americans are too young to remember the Seventies. However, according to census estimation the median will raise in the future, so instead of a 32 years gap between event and the moment when most people can't remember it, the gap becomes 35 years (implying a median of some 40 years).<br />
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'''2013: The Carter presidency''' {{w|Jimmy Carter}} was the {{w|President of the United States}} from 1977-1981. He lost all popularity after he was viewed as mishandling several crises during his presidency, including the {{w|Three Mile Island accident}}, the {{w|Iran Hostage crisis}}, and the "{{w|stagflation}}" of the late 1970s. According to Wikipedia, his decisions to reinstate registration for the draft and his decision to boycott the {{w|1980 Summer Olympics}} in Moscow (over the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan) helped contribute to his defeat in the 1980 Presidential campaign.<br />
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'''2014: The Reagan shooting''' References the 1981 {{w|Reagan assassination attempt|assassination attempt}} on the then American president, {{w|Ronald Reagan}}.<br />
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'''2015: The Falkland Islands War''' This is in reference to the {{w|Falklands War|brief outbreak of hostilities}} between the {{w|UK}} and {{w|Argentina}} over the {{w|Falkland Islands|Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)}} located off the shore of Argentina claimed by both but controlled by the UK. Even to this date, tensions remain high over the ownership of these islands, and while many people alive today weren't alive to witness it, it nevertheless remains present in the collective psyche of both nations.<br />
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'''2017: The first Apple Macintosh''' The {{w|Macintosh}} was a line of computers created by {{w|Apple Inc.|Apple}}, first introduced in 1984, with the {{w|Macintosh 128K}}.<br />
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'''2018: New Coke''' References a public relations blunder that the Coca Cola corporation undertook in attempting to reformulate its cola recipe, the new formula called {{w|New Coke}} popularly. The public backlash so shook the company that they reintroduced the original recipe as {{w|Coca-Cola Classic}} within 3 months. New Coke was eventually rebranded from Coca-Cola to Coke II, and then discontinued. Coca-Cola Classic has quietly been rebranded back to simply Coca-Cola, as it originally was. The "New Coke" introduction is considered one of the biggest PR blunders from a major company ever.<br />
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'''2019: Challenger''' The {{w|Space Shuttle Challenger|Challenger}} was a {{w|NASA}} space shuttle, which was launched in 1986, but {{w|Space Shuttle Challenger disaster|exploded}} 72 seconds into its flight, killing everyone aboard, including {{w|Christa McAuliffe}}, a teacher selected to be the first teacher in space.<br />
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'''2020: Chernobyl''' Refers to the 1986 meltdown of a {{w|Chernobyl|nuclear power plant}} in the {{w|Ukranian SSR}} (then a part of the Soviet Union). The meltdown forced the nearby city of {{w|Pripyat}} to be abandoned, and it remains a ghost town today.<br />
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'''2021: Black Monday''' Refers to the 1987 {{w|Black Monday (1987)|day}} of the largest one-day {{w|stock market}} drop in history.<br />
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'''2022: The Reagan presidency''' {{w|Ronald Reagan}} was an American president from 1981 to 1989, and was a generally well received president known for ending the Cold War, oversaw the {{w|Iran–Contra affair}}, {{w|Invasion of Grenada|invading Grenada}}, and issuing forth a number of new {{w|Reaganomics|economic policies}}.<br />
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'''2023: The Berlin Wall''' Refers to the {{w|Berlin Wall|barrier}} surrounding the western-controlled part of {{w|Berlin}}. It was erected by the {{w|East Germany|East German}} Government in 1961 to stop illegal emigration to West Berlin-the western-controlled enclave after the ending of the second WW. After a friendly revolution in 1989, emigration to West Berlin (and West German in general) was granted suddenly and very surprisingly again on November 9, 1989. The following rush of people to the Wall from East (to cross the border) and from West (to welcome friends and relatives) in that night coined the figurative "Fall of the Wall", preceding the actual reunion of Germany in 1990 and (almost) complete demolition of the Wall.<br />
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'''2024: HammerTime''' Refers to a refrain in {{w|MC Hammer|MC Hammer's}} 1990 hit song {{w|U Can't Touch This}}; [[Randall Munroe]] makes reference to this song elsewhere in his comics, too (specifically [[108: M.C. Hammer Slide]] and [[210: 90's Flowchart]]).<br />
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'''2025: The Soviet Union''' Refers to the cold-war adversary of the United States, emerging after the end of {{w|World War I}} and only collapsing in 1991.<br />
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'''2026: The LA Riots''' Refers to the {{w|1992 Los Angeles riots|massive riots}} occurring at the release of the verdict acquitting the officers accused of the {{w|Rodney King}} beatings in 1992.<br />
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'''2027: Lorena Bobbit''' Refers to the {{w|John and Lorena Bobbitt|woman}} who {{w|emasculated}} her husband in 1993.<br />
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'''2028: The Forrest Gump release''' ''{{w|Forrest Gump}}'' was a 1994 drama starring {{w|Tom Hanks}} as a mentally disabled man, telling his spectacular life story. The movie had a highly successful release, and remains one of the greatest films of all time.<br />
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'''2029: The Rwanda Genocide''' Refers to the 1994 {{w|Rwandan genocide}}, where an estimated 800,000 people were killed.<br />
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'''2030: OJ Simpson's Trial''' The {{w|O. J. Simpson murder case|O.J. Simpson trial}} was a famous criminal case during which {{w|O.J. Simpson}}, a professional football player, was {{w|acquitted}} of the murder of {{w|Nicole Simpson}} and {{w|Ronald Goldman}}. He was later arrested and jailed for other crimes, including armed robbery and kidnapping.<br />
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'''2031: Clinton's reelection''' {{w|Bill Clinton}} was the American president from 1993 to 2001. He won his second term in the {{w|United States presidential election, 1996|1996 presidential election}}. During his second term, he faced controversy during an {{w|impeachment}} trial, for which he was acquitted, and a large number of pardons he made on his last day of office. Clinton was a generally favoured president, exiting his presidency with a high approval rate.<br />
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'''2032: Princess Diana''' {{w|Princess Diana}} was a famous {{w|Commonwealth}} princess who made headlines after her 1997 {{w|Death of Diana, Princess of Wales|death}} in a car crash.<br />
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'''2033: Clinton's impeachment''' In 1998, the American {{w|Congress}} voted to {{w|Impeachment of Bill Clinton|impeach}} then-president Clinton, based on allegations that he {{w|Lewinsky scandal|lied}} about relations with a {{w|Monica Lewinsky|White House intern}}. He was later acquitted.<br />
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'''2034: Columbine''' Refers to the 1999 {{w|Columbine High School massacre}}, where 13 people were killed by a {{w|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold|pair of shooters}}.<br />
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'''2035: Forgot About Dre''' Refers to the {{w|Grammy}} winning 2000 song, "{{w|Forgot About Dre}}," by the rapper {{w|Dr. Dre}}. In it, Dre complains that his accomplishments have been purposefully ignored and forgotten; ironically, at some point in the future Dre's complaints about being forgotten will, themselves, be forgotten.<br />
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'''2036: 9/11''' Refers to the {{w|9/11}} event, in 2001, where terrorists crashed two planes into the {{w|World Trade Center}} towers, in {{w|New York}}. Two other planes crashed that day: one into the {{w|The Pentagon}}, and one in a field outside of {{w|Shanksville, Pennsylvania}} (presumably on its way to crashing into the Capitol Building).<br />
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'''2037: VH1's I love the 80s''' ''{{w|I Love the '80s (U.S. TV series)|I Love the '80s}}'' was a 2002 nostalgia TV series by {{w|VH1}}. This will make the 1980s doubly forgotten; not only will people not remember the decade, they will not remember the famous retrospective of people remembering the decade.<br />
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'''2038: A time before Facebook''' Refers to the online social media site, {{w|Facebook}}, launched in 2004.<br />
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'''2039: VH1's I love the 90s''' ''{{w|I Love the '90s (U.S. TV series)|I Love the '90s}}'' was a TV series airing in 2004.<br />
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'''2040: Hurricane Katrina''' {{w|Hurricane Katrina}} was a devastating 2005 hurricane that hit {{w|New Orleans}}, killing almost 2000 people and causing 81 billion dollars in damage.<br />
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'''2041: The planet Pluto''' {{w|Pluto}} is a {{w|dwarf planet}} in our solar system. Up until 2006, Pluto was considered to be a planet.<br />
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'''2042: The first iPhone''' {{w|Apple}}'s first iPhone was released in 2007.<br />
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'''2043: The Bush presidency''' {{w|George W. Bush}} was the American presidency from 2001 to 2009. He was criticized for the wars on {{w|War in Afghanistan (2001%E2%80%93present)|Afghanistan}} and {{w|Iraq War|Iraq}}, poor handling of Hurricane Katrina, and seeing the United States enter a recession. His approval peaked after the 9/11 attacks, but had fallen to historical lows by the end of his second term, making him one of the least liked US presidents.<br />
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'''2044: Michael Jackson''' Refers to the {{w|Michael Jackson|pop singer}} who died of drug overdose in 2009.<br />
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'''2045: Trying to say Eyjafjallajökull''' Is a reference to a volcano in {{w|Iceland}} that {{w|Eyjafjallajökull#2010 eruptions|erupted}} in 2010. The eruption threw volcanic ash several kilometres up in the atmosphere, which led to air travel disruption in northwest Europe for six days.<br />
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'''2046: The Arab Spring''' Refers to the {{w|Arab Spring|wave of revolutions}} that began in late 2010, where many Arabic nations overthrew leaders and started civil wars, with many nations converting to democracies.<br />
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'''2047: Anything embarrassing you do today''' Refers to the fact that in 35 years, the majority of Americans will not have been around on this date.<br />
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The title text is in reference to the vastly over-saturated programming on VH1 dedicated to the history of the TV universe.<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
:'''When Will We Forget?'''<br />
:Based on US Census Bureau ''National Population Projections''<br />
:Assuming we don't remember cultural events from before age 5 or 6<br />
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:By this year: The majority of Americans will be too young to remember:<br />
:2012: The seventies<br />
:2013: The Carter presidency<br />
:2014: The Reagan shooting<br />
:2015: The Falkland Islands war<br />
:2016: ''The return of the Jedi''release<br />
:2017: The first Apple Macintosh<br />
:2018: New Coke<br />
:2019: ''Challenger''<br />
:2020: Chernobyl<br />
:2021: Black Monday<br />
:2022: The Reagan presidency<br />
:2023: The Berlin Wall<br />
:2024: HammerTime<br />
:2025: The Soviet Union<br />
:2026: The LA Riots<br />
:2027: Lorena Bobbit<br />
:2028: The ''Forrest Gump'' release<br />
:2029: The Rwanda Genocide<br />
:2030: OJ Simpson's Trial<br />
:2031: Clinton's reelection<br />
:2032: Princess Diana<br />
:2033: Clinton's impeachment<br />
:2034: Columbine<br />
:2035: ''Forgot About Dre''<br />
:2036: 9/11<br />
:2037: VH1's ''I love the 80s''<br />
:2038: A time before Facebook<br />
:2039: VH1's ''I love the 90s''<br />
:2040: Hurricane Katrina<br />
:2041: The planet Pluto<br />
:2042: The first iPhone<br />
:2043: The Bush presidency<br />
:2044: Michael Jackson<br />
:2045: Trying to say ´´Eyjafjallajökull``<br />
:2046: The Arab Spring<br />
:2047: Anything embarrassing you do today<br />
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