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&lt;div&gt;I hate the taste and smell and associations (such as urine and vomit where they shouldn't be). A friend used to freely admit he didn't like the taste and only drank to get drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.161|108.162.249.161]] 06:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is why there are so many different styles of beers, or wines, or other alcoholic beverages.  I personally don't care for IPAs, but will rarely pass up a good Pilsner.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.189|108.162.238.189]] 07:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:LOL, that's exactly what Cueball is talking about. Beer is a canonical example of {{w|acquired taste}}. But even after having done so, all hoppy beers (including most IPAs and Pilsners) still taste pretty similar to me. - [[User:Frankie|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie|talk]]) 11:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Like of beer is actually a really bad example of acquired taste. I was stealing sips of beer from my dad at age 3-4, if he had an unattended open beer.   Liking of beer is primarily generics, and secondary acquired taste.   Now talk about {{w|Marmite}} and discuss acquired taste. [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog|talk]]) 16:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And you, sir, are a canonical example of an ''outlier''. 😜 Seriously though, go to http://google.com and type &amp;quot;is an acquired taste&amp;quot;. Google's very first autocomplete suggestion is beer. I'm not saying it's necessarily a ''good'' example, but it is about as canonical as you can get. - [[User:Frankie|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie|talk]]) 03:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible that the characters, being American, have only ever tasted American beer? So when Cueball says that &amp;quot;all beer tastes kind of bad&amp;quot; hat he really means is &amp;quot;all &amp;lt;em&amp;gt;American&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; beer tastes kind of bad&amp;quot;? That would make a lot more sense (especially if you assume that they only buy from the major brands, and haven't yet tried beer from microbreweries.) --[[User:PeR|PeR]] ([[User talk:PeR|talk]]) 09:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well the other character mentions &amp;quot;Stouts&amp;quot;, which the major American brands don't really produce (or at least don't heavily market).  I think from that it's safe to assume that these characters are basing their opinions on American Craft brews, and not just Budweiser. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.87|173.245.52.87]] 14:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. I think too many people forget Occam's Razor here, and are too eager to engage in deeper analysis than the content can really support without help from, say, an interview with Randall. No offense intended; this is a trend on this wiki in general. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.201|108.162.221.201]] 13:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I'm kind of tired of people automatically assuming is someone doesn't like beer, it's because the person saying so has only been exposed to bad ones due to their locality. I don't like beer at all because it tastes like a mouthful of yeast and medicine. Alcohol in general is an acquired taste for most people, who usually only start drinking it due to social pressure or as a recreational drug. Yeasty foods are as well, especially yeasty breads, and beer is basically fermented bread juice when you get down to it. There's also a genetic link behind whether or not someone will like alcohol, and it's usually he effect rather than the taste that makes it appealing. --[[Special:Contributions/188.114.111.209|188.114.111.209]] 14:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: You need to read the research -- it is actually linked to genetic differences in taste-buds.  You may not like it, which is not unlikely, but that does not say that is the same for others who may be genetically disposed otherwise [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog|talk]]) 18:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Speaking from personal experience, I've never tried any form of alcohol that I've liked. And if you must know my experience is mainly centered around beer that's highly recommended by friends and family. The last case was at a tour of a local microbrewery that seems to be doing extremely well. I'm sure if I pulled a large scale taste test I'd aquire enough of a taste to delude myself into thinking that something or other is actually worth drinking but I don't see why I should go through the effort just to conform to a social norm. --not the mama[[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.180|108.162.238.180]] 14:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: You should NOT conform to social norm but drink what YOU feel taste good -- 10.000 years ago, humanity needed portable water -- west of the Urals, humans stared to use fermentation as a method to keep bacteria out of the drinking water, where east they started to brew tea -- their descendant responded genetically over the next 10.000 years with European developing genetic traits to be tolerant and liking the fermented brew.  Beer is predominantly limited to north Europe as it has lower alcohol levels compared to wine -- the higher alcohol volume is needed to keep bacteria out in the warmer southern Europe -- HENCE unless you are of northen european decent you may not genetically be programmed to like (or tolerate) the taste of beer -- just don't drink beer if you don't like it !!! [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog|talk]]) 19:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I'm 1/16th northern European (Dutch), 1/4th southern European, Native American too. Guess I didn't get the North Europe beer gene. Why'd the even northerner Europeans like the Russians and Scottish become distilled spirit drinkers? Did their beer freeze too easily so they made vodka and whiskey? If this is why the north developed a beer culture then why'd Egyptians and Mesopotamians drink beer? It's very hot there. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.59|108.162.215.59]] 20:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed. Major brands suck, but probably in most countries, even Germany, where people usually have very high opinion about German beer. There are thousands of small breweries, though, some with a very old tradition (like in monasteries), and many just popping up recently. At some microbreweries you have to order weeks in advance, but the brew you get is really exceptional, and you'll drink it at room temperature from wine glasses. Absolutely not meant for getting drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.107|108.162.254.107]] 10:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am disliking to indifferent to most of brands of beer, but I like a few specific ones, like Ginger's Beer, or gingerbread beer from local brewery. --[[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 11:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know that beer is generally considered to be an acquired taste, but some people acquire that taste really quickly.  The first beer I ever drank was a Miller that I stole from a case that my dad had left sitting in the kitchen for months.  I was 12, and it is still probably the worst thing I've ever tasted.  I decided I didn't like beer, and from ages 12 to 17 the only alcohol I drank was wine.  At 17, I tried keg beer and was utterly indifferent to it.  By the time I turned 19 I was into good local beers, but if I've been in the heat for a long time, I'll drink watery mediocre beer and it will be divine.  And then there's shower beer...oh, shower beer!12:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned ip|108.162.225.36}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The only thing worse than a pilsner is an IPA... which is just a stronger version of a pilsner. Most beer just has way too high of an IBU rating. At least malts aren't entirely awful and oatmeal malts are somewhat palatable. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.83|162.158.255.83]] 14:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Culturally, for me, the common booze is 'a pint of bitter' (or 'best').  I apparently had my first sip when a toddler.  I 'sneakily' took a sip from the top of a glass sat in front of my father, before screwing my face up most amusingly, I am told.  I then went straight back in for another... it's not obvious to me if I was being influenced to 'want to like it'.  Perhaps it was just the novelty.  Anyway, I will admit I don't ''love'' the taste of bitter, but at least it's got an significant taste that all the seemingly anonymous mass-produced lagers can't match.  (OTOH, cider's quite stimulating, but I take against the overly fizzy ones.)  When it comes to non-alcoholic beverages, I will actively ''refuse'' a cup of tea (the social norm for adults, especially someone like me in their fifth decade), however socially awkward and unexpected, and politely turn down the offer of a coffee, if possible, on the basis that I might not be staying long.  (I don't like teas at all, even fruit ones, but I can stand coffee if sweetened.) But it's ''amazing'' what we tend to eat and drink, just because it's expected. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.59|141.101.99.59]] 14:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Great comic. This is just for me. I do not like beer. Any kind. And I do rarely drink them. Same with cofee ans tee which I never drink. It is not always easy - so nice to see this comic. :) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm a stout man (will drink stout alone, if it is dark enough and if the hop content is small enough), but will admit that any beer is better after the fifth glass of it.[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Part of the explanation refers to acquired tastes as being a response to social pressures and to avoid cognitive dissonance.  This doesn't match the description of what the '''linked to''' wikipedia page for acquired tastes, as that page distinguishes authentic acquired tastes from those meeting the author's description.&lt;br /&gt;
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Budweiser tastes like urine. It's the most popular beer in the US. Immediately after trying it I tasted a drop of my urine to see if the urine was still worse and that wasn't enough urine to decide. Anyone care to put a larger amount of urine in their mouth for science? This is the crap they make Bud..Weis..Er and Wassuuuuuuup! commercials about? They actually make a Lite version of this so people can enjoy it while getting less drunk or fat? Extroverts are weird. Also, out of the legion of OKcupid questions the best predictor of the promiscuity question is &amp;quot;I like the taste of beer, true or false&amp;quot;. So if you want to have sex quick, you want to hear &amp;quot;Beer tastes awesome! Woo! [Burp] [Vomit] Ooh!Ooh!&amp;quot; [drinks vodka from bottle] [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.59|108.162.215.59]] 16:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Strangely, many animals acquire a taste for alcohol, and they must do it quickly because they don't live long enough to do it slowly.  Case in point-- robins and other birds, gobbling up fermented fallen fruit, and then stumbling around like human novice drinkers do.  They only live 2-3 years, and they only have access to the stuff for a couple of weeks in the autumn, and yet, there they go, staggering down the sidewalk and tripping over imaginary twigs.  And then there's my puppy, who was begging droplets of strong beer and black coffee off my fingertips from eight weeks old. (Good Canadian beer, by the way.)  I wonder if a taste for bitterness might be adaptive, as many bitter plants are also medicinal? [[User:NoniMausa|NoniMausa]] ([[User talk:NoniMausa|talk]]) 22:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, some people don't like beer. That doesn't mean everyone who does is faking it. I gravitate towards IPAs, stouts, rye IPAs and barrel-aged strong beers. I also like scotch, rye, and some bourbons. I fucking love dark roasted black coffee. I savor all of these in company and alone. Stop being so solipsic.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.163|173.245.48.163]] 03:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I actively dislike the taste of every beer that I have tried.  That includes Guiness on tap in Dublin.  I sort of got into trouble for it the few days I was there agus ag labhairt na Gaeilge.  But this discussion is one of the most amusing and enjoyable arguments I have seen yet on this website.  Go ahead on, folks! [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 03:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;173.245.52.87: oops forgot timestamp of the singing of &amp;quot;f&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;centrifugal.&amp;quot; Sorry!&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Thanks, Kynde, for the nice explanation. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.201|108.162.221.201]] 13:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Your welcome, and Thanks. I think I was still working on it when you wrote this comment ;-).--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I was wondering how many people go to watch these two songs on YouTube today (and the next few days) solely because of Randall's comic. I have long time wondered about this. Now maybe a time to find out. Of course we never know in advance how many new hits the song he chooses received the days before. But now we have a chance of following it over the next few days. Of course the comic has been up several hours but it is still early across most of the US... Here are the counters for the two videos linked above in the comic as of right before this post was made: Breathe: 9.493.222 and This Kiss 4.079.410. Please feel free to add new counts a few times over the next week or so. :-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Links for your convenience: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCmsZUN4r_s &amp;quot;Breathe&amp;quot;], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls_cBmUt7Q &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot;] and as control [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGntdbDB5Q &amp;quot;Cry&amp;quot;].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks. Here goes after 1 day and 2 hours:&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm nut sure we can learn anything from this yet...?--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, if the star or region of space is anything similar to our own, O2 is definitively a sign of life.  Not animal life, but at least plant life, to crack the O2 out of the CO2 with photosynthesis.[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The explanation currently covers links that show that not all oxygen will be created because of life, and not all life (even 'as we know it') will necessarily require/produce a significant oxygen signal.  But there seems to be a missing middle-bit in that oxygen initially seems to have been a smothering 'industrial pollutant' by early (oxygen splitting) life-forms until other life-forms developed the machinary to use this oxygen as part of their own energy mechanisms (creating the eventual two-way dynamic of CO&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; and O&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; production/usage between the ''major'' groups of life) and thus making the unstable free oxygen both an indicator of life and an indicator of the ''capability'' of life (by mainstream terrestrial standards of biology, of course). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.186|141.101.98.186]] 18:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That is not necessarily true. There is now a theory that oxygen could be have been created without life involved here on Earth based on the snow ball earth scenario. In the ice H2O2 formed and when the ice melted this was released into the water where it then would release oxygen. See for instance here: [http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10662-did-snowball-earths-melting-let-oxygen-fuel-life.html#.VT-QbRTU-i4 Did snowball Earth's melting let oxygen fuel life?]. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the original lyric for &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot; is &amp;quot;it's centripetal motion&amp;quot; (see: http://www.sweetslyrics.com/59372.Faith%20Hill%20-%20This%20Kiss.html).  I assumed the joke Randall was making was that centrifugal really is a force, Mr. Bond, even if Faith Hill doesn't know about it.  [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 00:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree: I only recall hearing &amp;quot;centripetal motion&amp;quot;, but Google tells me there are actually more hits for &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot;, and that there are some lyrics sites putting ''both'' phrases in the song. [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] ([[User talk:Markhurd|talk]]) 01:41, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the song says &amp;quot;centrifical&amp;quot; which is not even a word, let alone a force, ficticious or not. Nonetheless, it seems to be a common misspelling since it has its own wiktionary entry (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/centrifical). [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.180|108.162.249.180]] 08:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree that she doesn't sing centrifugal. I have changed the explain to say it is centripetal (I'm sure she is supposed to at least, maybe she doesn't know the word either ;-) But left in a comment on the fact that there are different versions on-line. But I'm sure that that is because people do not know the word centripetal and also that people who make lyrics pages cut and paste from each other. I have often seen the same mistake on several lyrics pages. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Its not centripetal, she sings &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; but with pronounced wrong. Its a pop song, and centrifugal with a long u wouldn't fit, so the i is short but stressed, and the u is reduced to a schwa. Rightly or wrongly, &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; is the common word.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.70.43|141.101.70.43]] 18:37, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::How is it pronounced wrongly?  There's two pronunciations for the word &amp;quot;centrifugal,&amp;quot; and one of them is without a long-U sound.  /sɛnˈtrɪf yə gəl, -ə gəl/  (see: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/centrifugal?s=t) Maybe she's a bit harder on the G than might be proper, but most people I know pronounce it as she does, or close enough anyway. -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.188|108.162.237.188]] 03:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I believe a close viewing of the linked official video of &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot; makes it certain that Ms. Hill is singing &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot;. To see this, examine some frames near 0:33, when Ms. Hill is singing &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; for the first time.  Although (so far as I can tell) YouTube does not support frame-by-frame advance, you can hit play and stop in rapid succession, and convince yourself quite thoroughly that Ms. Hill's top teeth are always visible, and that her lips never meet. Compare this to the very first frames of the cut at 1:19 when Ms. Hill is just beginning to sing &amp;quot;pivotal&amp;quot;. You will very clearly see her lips touching and slightly pursed.  (Is there a way to attach screenshots?) Given that it is impossible to pronounce a &amp;quot;p&amp;quot; phoneme without the lips coming together at some point, Ms. Hill is not singing a word with a &amp;quot;p&amp;quot; in it at 0:33, but rather one with an &amp;quot;f,&amp;quot; pronounced with the top teeth touching the bottom lip -- &amp;quot;centrifugal,&amp;quot; in fact.  Conclusion: Randall is quoting the actual lyrics intended by the singer on the official video. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.87|173.245.52.87]] 01:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;173.245.52.87: video evidence for &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Thanks, Kynde, for the nice explanation. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.201|108.162.221.201]] 13:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Your welcome, and Thanks. I think I was still working on it when you wrote this comment ;-).--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I was wondering how many people go to watch these two songs on YouTube today (and the next few days) solely because of Randall's comic. I have long time wondered about this. Now maybe a time to find out. Of course we never know in advance how many new hits the song he chooses received the days before. But now we have a chance of following it over the next few days. Of course the comic has been up several hours but it is still early across most of the US... Here are the counters for the two videos linked above in the comic as of right before this post was made: Breathe: 9.493.222 and This Kiss 4.079.410. Please feel free to add new counts a few times over the next week or so. :-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Links for your convenience: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCmsZUN4r_s &amp;quot;Breathe&amp;quot;], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls_cBmUt7Q &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot;] and as control [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGntdbDB5Q &amp;quot;Cry&amp;quot;].&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Breathe&amp;quot; 9,493,334,&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot; 4,079,458,&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Cry&amp;quot; 3,182,592&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks. Here goes after 1 day and 2 hours:&lt;br /&gt;
:9.500.026 (+6692/+,07%)&lt;br /&gt;
:4.083.297 (+3839/+,09%)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.184.334 (+1742/+,05%)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm nut sure we can learn anything from this yet...?--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, if the star or region of space is anything similar to our own, O2 is definitively a sign of life.  Not animal life, but at least plant life, to crack the O2 out of the CO2 with photosynthesis.[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The explanation currently covers links that show that not all oxygen will be created because of life, and not all life (even 'as we know it') will necessarily require/produce a significant oxygen signal.  But there seems to be a missing middle-bit in that oxygen initially seems to have been a smothering 'industrial pollutant' by early (oxygen splitting) life-forms until other life-forms developed the machinary to use this oxygen as part of their own energy mechanisms (creating the eventual two-way dynamic of CO&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; and O&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; production/usage between the ''major'' groups of life) and thus making the unstable free oxygen both an indicator of life and an indicator of the ''capability'' of life (by mainstream terrestrial standards of biology, of course). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.186|141.101.98.186]] 18:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That is not necessarily true. There is now a theory that oxygen could be have been created without life involved here on Earth based on the snow ball earth scenario. In the ice H2O2 formed and when the ice melted this was released into the water where it then would release oxygen. See for instance here: [http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10662-did-snowball-earths-melting-let-oxygen-fuel-life.html#.VT-QbRTU-i4 Did snowball Earth's melting let oxygen fuel life?]. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the original lyric for &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot; is &amp;quot;it's centripetal motion&amp;quot; (see: http://www.sweetslyrics.com/59372.Faith%20Hill%20-%20This%20Kiss.html).  I assumed the joke Randall was making was that centrifugal really is a force, Mr. Bond, even if Faith Hill doesn't know about it.  [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 00:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree: I only recall hearing &amp;quot;centripetal motion&amp;quot;, but Google tells me there are actually more hits for &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot;, and that there are some lyrics sites putting ''both'' phrases in the song. [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] ([[User talk:Markhurd|talk]]) 01:41, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the song says &amp;quot;centrifical&amp;quot; which is not even a word, let alone a force, ficticious or not. Nonetheless, it seems to be a common misspelling since it has its own wiktionary entry (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/centrifical). [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.180|108.162.249.180]] 08:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree that she doesn't sing centrifugal. I have changed the explain to say it is centripetal (I'm sure she is supposed to at least, maybe she doesn't know the word either ;-) But left in a comment on the fact that there are different versions on-line. But I'm sure that that is because people do not know the word centripetal and also that people who make lyrics pages cut and paste from each other. I have often seen the same mistake on several lyrics pages. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Its not centripetal, she sings &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; but with pronounced wrong. Its a pop song, and centrifugal with a long u wouldn't fit, so the i is short but stressed, and the u is reduced to a schwa. Rightly or wrongly, &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; is the common word.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.70.43|141.101.70.43]] 18:37, 28 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::How is it pronounced wrongly?  There's two pronunciations for the word &amp;quot;centrifugal,&amp;quot; and one of them is without a long-U sound.  /sɛnˈtrɪf yə gəl, -ə gəl/  (see: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/centrifugal?s=t) Maybe she's a bit harder on the G than might be proper, but most people I know pronounce it as she does, or close enough anyway. -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.188|108.162.237.188]] 03:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I believe a close viewing of the linked official video of &amp;quot;This Kiss&amp;quot; makes it certain that Ms. Hill is singing &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot;. To see this, examine some frames near 0:xx, when Ms. Hill is singing &amp;quot;centrifugal&amp;quot; for the first time.  Although (so far as I can tell) YouTube does not support frame-by-frame advance, you can hit play and stop in rapid succession, and convince yourself quite thoroughly that Ms. Hill's top teeth are always visible, and that her lips never meet. Compare this to the very first frames of the cut at 1:19 when Ms. Hill is just beginning to sing &amp;quot;pivotal&amp;quot;. You will very clearly see her lips touching and slightly pursed.  (Is there a way to attach screenshots?) Given that it is impossible to pronounce a &amp;quot;p&amp;quot; phoneme without the lips coming together at some point, Ms. Hill is not singing a word with a &amp;quot;p&amp;quot; in it at 0:xx, but rather one with an &amp;quot;f,&amp;quot; pronounced with the top teeth touching the bottom lip -- &amp;quot;centrifugal,&amp;quot; in fact.  Conclusion: Randall is quoting the actual lyrics intended by the singer on the official video. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.87|173.245.52.87]] 01:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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