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		<title>Talk:3229: Grammar</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Biotronic: &lt;/p&gt;
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E3EeE E3eE!! [[User:Logalex8369|Logalex8369]] ([[User talk:Logalex8369|talk]]) 22:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I created a transcript, but used OCR for all the E's because I kept losing count of how many there were. If someone wants to factcheck that, please do. [[Special:Contributions/104.28.215.220|104.28.215.220]] 22:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Factchecked 19 E's counted in the image and 19 E's counted in the transcript. [[Special:Contributions/12.155.149.34|12.155.149.34]] 23:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like the bot picked up the April Fool's &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; as interactive, should we keep it or remove? [[Special:Contributions/104.28.215.220|104.28.215.220]] 22:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Side note: I have heard people using both alternate niche methods of language structure, kinda like those people who adopt a losing format even after it's clear it has lost. On character who has on occasion dabbled in both is Homer Simpson, BTW. --[[Special:Contributions/94.73.49.13|94.73.49.13]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I still say that Video2000 was the superior home VCR format, in every way...[[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 23:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any &amp;quot;competitors&amp;quot; to grammar would still be grammars since a grammar, by definition, describes how a language is structured. [[Special:Contributions/75.248.235.98|75.248.235.98]] 00:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, the Random Words one ''seems'' to have no particular structure beyond being word-utterances, and the EEEEEEEEEEEEEE one doesn't even have much that ''can'' be structuralised (though I'm half expecting it to actually supposed to be a modem 'yowl', it needn't even be that), so I'm willing to bet that this exempts them from any consistent quality of being grammar. [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I interpreted &amp;quot;words order words random words words random good&amp;quot; differently. I assumed it was missing commas and should be read as &amp;quot;words-order&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;words-random&amp;quot; &amp;quot;words-words&amp;quot; &amp;quot;random-good&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe(probably?) not what Randall intended, but if anyone interpreted it the same as me, you're not alone!&lt;br /&gt;
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i reconsider this: non-verbal communication isn't another rival for communication, as it is a subset (after seeing and liking [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=3229:_Grammar&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=409748 this anon's edit]), but i'm not sure what other methods there could be than just communication and non-communication; Lenhart says &amp;quot;rivals&amp;quot; plural -- &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;letter-spacing:0.1rem&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Somefan|somefan]] ([[User talk:Somefan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Somefan|contribs]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 00:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Pretty sure the joke is that any alternative to communication would by definition be impossible to communicate. --[[User:Biotronic|Biotronic]] ([[User talk:Biotronic|talk]]) 08:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, I worded that wrong - what I meant is that '' is an example of non-communication, which is not very effective at transmitting information --[[User:Biotronic|Biotronic]] ([[User talk:Biotronic|talk]]) 08:58, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you [[Special:Contributions/137.25.230.78|137.25.230.78]] 00:54, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:steal orange me steal eat orange me eat orange steal me eat orange steal me you [[User:King Pando|King Pando]] ([[User talk:King Pando|talk]]) 02:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Biotronic: Comment on ''&lt;/p&gt;
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E3EeE E3eE!! [[User:Logalex8369|Logalex8369]] ([[User talk:Logalex8369|talk]]) 22:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I created a transcript, but used OCR for all the E's because I kept losing count of how many there were. If someone wants to factcheck that, please do. [[Special:Contributions/104.28.215.220|104.28.215.220]] 22:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like the bot picked up the April Fool's &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; as interactive, should we keep it or remove? [[Special:Contributions/104.28.215.220|104.28.215.220]] 22:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Factchecked 19 E's counted in the image and 19 E's counted in the transcript. [[Special:Contributions/12.155.149.34|12.155.149.34]] 23:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Side note: I have heard people using both alternate niche methods of language structure, kinda like those people who adopt a losing format even after it's clear it has lost. On character who has on occasion dabbled in both is Homer Simpson, BTW. --[[Special:Contributions/94.73.49.13|94.73.49.13]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I still say that Video2000 was the superior home VCR format, in every way...[[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 23:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any &amp;quot;competitors&amp;quot; to grammar would still be grammars since a grammar, by definition, describes how a language is structured. [[Special:Contributions/75.248.235.98|75.248.235.98]] 00:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, the Random Words one ''seems'' to have no particular structure beyond being word-utterances, and the EEEEEEEEEEEEEE one doesn't even have much that ''can'' be structuralised (though I'm half expecting it to actually supposed to be a modem 'yowl', it needn't even be that), so I'm willing to bet that this exempts them from any consistent quality of being grammar. [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I interpreted &amp;quot;words order words random words words random good&amp;quot; differently. I assumed it was missing commas and should be read as &amp;quot;words-order&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;words-random&amp;quot; &amp;quot;words-words&amp;quot; &amp;quot;random-good&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe(probably?) not what Randall intended, but if anyone interpreted it the same as me, you're not alone!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i reconsider this: non-verbal communication isn't another rival for communication, as it is a subset (after seeing and liking [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=3229:_Grammar&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=409748 this anon's edit]), but i'm not sure what other methods there could be than just communication and non-communication; Lenhart says &amp;quot;rivals&amp;quot; plural -- &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;letter-spacing:0.1rem&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Somefan|somefan]] ([[User talk:Somefan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Somefan|contribs]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 00:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Pretty sure the joke is that any alternative to communication would by definition be impossible to communicate. --[[User:Biotronic|Biotronic]] ([[User talk:Biotronic|talk]]) 08:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you [[Special:Contributions/137.25.230.78|137.25.230.78]] 00:54, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:steal orange me steal eat orange me eat orange steal me eat orange steal me you [[User:King Pando|King Pando]] ([[User talk:King Pando|talk]]) 02:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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