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Talk:2778: Cuisine

2023-05-20T04:13:36Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

I’m surprised it’s not Beret guy at the stove… [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.186|108.162.245.186]] 03:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, here "'''''very''''' high heat" is millions of degrees (any kind), yes? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Talk:what if

2023-04-20T05:53:11Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

I moved the [[what if?]] page to here because I was unable to use the "move" ability as it kept showing "No input file specified". — [[User:Sqrt-1|The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭]] [[User talk:Sqrt-1|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1|stalk]] 06:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I just noticed this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/science/randall-munroe-question-popcorn.html It seems to be a continuation of what if in spirit but not in name, should we link to it from here?

Is the "it's" in the UK book description a typo by the article writer, or is it there in the actual book? I can't find it on the internets. [[User:Szeth Pancakes|Szeth Pancakes]] ([[User talk:Szeth Pancakes|talk]]) 20:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

== Summary ==

What exactly is the summary? There are numerous fallacies in it. Please provide context or I will likely return and edit this in the future. [[User:SilverTheTerribleMathematician|SilverTheTerribleMathematician]] ([[User talk:SilverTheTerribleMathematician|talk]]) 15:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

== Page disappearing? ==
When I try to access [https://what-if.xkcd.com/ the page], I get a 404 error. Is this just me? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 05:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2022-06-30T23:32:22Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* It says "all 2626 xkcd comics"?? */

{{notice|This page is for discussion of the [[Main Page]] itself. For discussion of the latest comic, see [[{{LATESTCOMIC}}#Discussion|its discussion section]]. Other issues probably belong at the [[Explain XKCD:Community portal]].}}

{{notice|This page has a sandbox, located at [[Main Page/sandbox]].}}

As a new user, I think the first page is very important. So I thought why not begin a discussion here what to have on the first page every user visits.--[[User:Relic|Relic]] ([[User talk:Relic|talk]]) 05:59, 1 August 2012 (EDT) Re-signed here - b/c I broke the comment in two when I added the "List of comics" header. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 23:01, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

==List of comics==
I was thinking of having a quick link to the list of comics that is explained. Right know, it took me a while to even see any of them. Eventually I found the "List All Pages" (found it in Special pages) where I could find the comics that have been explained. What do you think?
:A category tag will do that for you automatically. Having a list of comics indexed by its number would be a little different.--[[User:Relic|Relic]] ([[User talk:Relic|talk]]) 05:59, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::Sounds like a great list - I ''think'' it'd have to be manually maintained until/unless we get someone who knows how to make a bot update it. Categories will be useful, but they only work if someone added the category to the page in the first place. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 07:21, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::A (somewhat) related question - should [[:Category:Comics]] be sorted alphabetically or by comic number? --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 07:43, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::::I think [[:Category:Comics]] should be sorted by comic number. If you are looking for a specific comic, you will use the search field. Is there a way to make that happen? --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 08:11, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::They are two different functions. For the former, instead of adding <nowiki>[[Category:Comics]]</nowiki>, add, say, <nowiki>[[Category:Comics|1]]</nowiki>. For the second, we can create redirects. Normally, I'd say just make sure the search term was in the article text, but since numbers are going to be use for other purposes than just comic titles, it may be better to create [[1]] and [[Comic 1]] as redirects to the relevant articles right off the bat. --08:24, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::We could also have a comic-list template on the Main Page, I suppose, or perhaps two - one for number and one for name? --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 08:54, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Here's what I was thinking of for that: {{tl|Comics navbox}} Thoughts? ''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]]
:(outdent) It's ugly, but a sortable wikitable [[User:SurturZ/sandbox|(click here for example)]] could be used as a checklist to see what has been uploaded and what hasn't. What's the project namespace here, anyway (analogue of "WP:")? --[[User:SurturZ|SurturZ]] ([[User talk:SurturZ|talk]]) 03:04, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
:OK, I've found a way to get all the titles of the comics, so I was confident enough to create <big>[[Explain XKCD:Checklist]]</big> which can be used to fill in the gaps. --[[User:SurturZ|SurturZ]] ([[User talk:SurturZ|talk]]) 03:41, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::I'm liking the checklist! That should do quite nicely as a "tool for editors". (I'm linking to it at the Community Portal). We still need the "template for readers." Did you think {{tl|Comics navbox}} was on the right track or should we do something else for that? --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 20:09, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::Better idea - I'm throwing it directly onto the Main Page. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 20:10, 3 August 2012 (EDT)

==Admin list==
You can find a system-accurate list of admins [{{canonicalurl:Special:ListUsers|group=sysop}} here], so that might good to share, along with the manual list. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 07:13, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:Added to page. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 08:10, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::That's exactly what I wanted, but couldn't find the auto page for it. I knew it was somewhere. I don't see any reason to keep the link to the manual page. Do you? --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 08:11, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::Not unless you want it. I'll remove it. Should I add the similar link for 'crats or is that unnecessary at this point? --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 08:25, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::::To be honest, I have no idea what the Burecrats role does. Might be unnecessary now but helpful in the future? --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 11:16, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::Bureaucrats can turn other users into administrators (or indeed, other bureaucrats). That privilege isn't available to ordinary administrators. I'd keep it to yourself for the time being. :-) --[[User:Yirba|Yirba]] ([[User talk:Yirba|talk]]) 17:39, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::You can actually see a technical list of which rights each group confers at [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. As the wiki grows, you might want to spin off a few, such as the ability to grant rollbacker and autopatrolled, to admins as some other wikis have. But for the time being, at least, there's really no reason for the wiki to have more than one 'crat. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 17:07, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

== Community portal ==

I've created the [[Explain XKCD:Community portal]] as a tools/help page. If that's not what you want, feel free to change/move/whatever it, but I thought it'd be nice to save this page for discussion of the Main Page and discuss the wiki as a whole/ask for help there. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 08:36, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

== Direct link to latest comic ==

There should be a direct link to the latest comic at the top of the Main page. A nice thing about going to explainxkcd.com was that the latest comic is right there at the top. For those changing their default link to the wiki, there should be an easy "Latest Comic" link that quickly takes them there. I'm sure some folks actually skip xkcd.com and come directly here instead to read the latest offering from Randall. They shouldn't have to search for it.
[[User:Christopher Foxx|- CFoxx]] ([[User talk:Christopher Foxx|talk]]) 11:59, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

: Maybe the page [[latest]] should redirect to the most recent comic? Could that be taken care of by some sort of script/template so it doesn't have to be manually updated? Should each explination page also have "next", "previous", "random", "first" and "latest" links, possibly also generated automatically via scripts/templates? Additionally, shouldn't the number page be the canonical one? It seems like [[Internal monologue]] should redirect to [[1089]] rather than the other way around - certainly it would make a bunch of scripting types of things a lot easier. [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 13:02, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::If you wanted, we could even use wiki-magic to show the title of the page as the Comic name, but the URL as the number - in order to parallel the actual XKCD website. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 17:09, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
:: Shouldn't there be a way to programmatically find the comic with the highest number that has a page with content? That would work as long as no one puts future comic pages up. --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 20:25, 1 August 2012 (EDT)
:::It's all sounding like folks are over-complicating something quite easy. All I'm suggesting is a prominent link to http://www.xkcd.com/. No need, I think, to list which number the latest is, or include the next/last/random buttons, etc. [[User:Christopher Foxx|- CFoxx]] ([[User talk:Christopher Foxx|talk]]) 11:41, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::::Oh. We've got that, now, in the sidebar - labeled as "XKCD." I do think that having an internal link to the latest (explained) comic would be a great thing, though. --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]'' [[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]] 16:36, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

You can transclude the latest comic on the main page like this: <nowiki>{{:pagename}} e.g. {{:Internal_monologue}} </nowiki>--[[User:SurturZ|SurturZ]] ([[User talk:SurturZ|talk]]) 00:25, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
: I've started with just a manual link to the latest comic. Ideally it will be automatic, but a manual link will work for now as I've had quite a few people ask for it. --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 21:09, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

Transclusion of the latest comic is great. Someone with the right permissions should add (for instance on the top-right corner of the grey transclusion area) a link to edit the corresponding wiki page, so that people seeing something they could add would feel invited to do so (wiki style). In my opinion this would be a good way to improve the quality of the user-generated explanations.
Also, all the "XKCD"s in the "New here?" section should be converted to the lowercase "xkcd"...
[[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 14:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:Good points. I've done both. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 15:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Call me dumb, but... You've got a link called "prev" that goes to the explaination for the previous comic. Then a link called "comic #42" but that goes to xkcd. And then a smaller, less prominent link called "go to this comic" that doesn't go to the comic but to its explaination. Anyone else think that's a little back-to-front? [[User:Zootle|Zootle]] ([[User talk:Zootle|talk]]) 17:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
:OK, you're dumb :-). The standard template for an explanation page includes the header with "Prev", "Comic # (date)", and "Next" links. If we don't have explanation pages for the previous or next comic, we don't show the respective link. I hadn't noticed that the "Comic # (date)" bit was a link to the xkcd site before, but in context it makes sense to me. Including a link to the Explain page for the comic who's explain page you are already looking at doesn't make sense.
:The explanation page for the latest comic is "transcluded" in the main page pretty much as-is, so we get the header, the comic, the explanation, etc. We don't get the discussion, which is visible at the bottom of the Explain page. Because there is never an explanation for a comic that hasn't been released yet, there is never a "Next" link on the main page's transcluded header. So you get "Prev" and "Comic" links. The "Go to this comic" link is added by the main page above the transcluded explain page.
:I can see how the "Go to this comic" link might be poorly worded especially as it's placement seems to be within the explanation it's linking to. [[User:Blaisepascal|Blaisepascal]] ([[User talk:Blaisepascal|talk]]) 18:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
::Rather than "Go to this comic" maybe it could be "Go to full explanation" ? Something else? [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 13:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
::There was [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Admin_requests#.22Edit_this_explanation.22_link_on_main_page a discussion at one point] about a wittier/more descriptive link - but no one came up with anything. I do like "Go to Full Explanation" better, for what it's worth. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 15:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
:::My problem with that suggestion is that it implies that the main page explanation is not full. As of right now, the full explanation is transcluded on the main page. There's nothing more to see by clicking that link (explanation wise) Perhaps "Go to full explanation page" but that doesn't quite sound right to me... [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 15:42, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
::::How about "Go to this Comic Explanation Page"? One nice thing about the specific page rather than the [[Main_Page]] transcoding is that it nicely includes the discussion as well. I have a bookmark to the [[Main_Page]] that I look at every day, but I want to easily read the discussions, not only the explanation. Humm, maybe we could have a page [[most recent comic]] that automagically redirects to the most recent comic? [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 12:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::I tried to get [[most recent comic]] to redirect to LATESTCOMIC, but can't get the syntax working - it is possible? [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 13:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::Apparently it isn't. I would have tried <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[{{LATESTCOMIC}}]]</nowiki></code> like you did, but since that doesn't work, I'll delete the page for now. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 16:38, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== Discussion of latest comic ==
Perhaps include the discussions of the latest comic here? I almost missed there was a discussion field a few times because I would only read about the latest comic on the main page. [[User:Carewolf|Carewolf]] ([[User talk:Carewolf|talk]]) 14:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

This comics's explanation is complete bollocks, I think. Of course it is NOT a "fact that such a room exists". This comics parodies trope often used in cop movies - an elderly cop goes to work for the last time before his retirement, packs things, plans fishing the next day ... only to be called to one more case (possibly with a new, young and brash partner). And despites his efforts not to screw anything and stay clear of danger, he is either mortally wounded or screws big time and is degraded. So much clichè, that if someone says "It's my last day or service", you might be sure one of the two options above happens. See http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Retirony [[User:edheldil|Edheldil]] 10:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe this link maybe relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_graphics {{unsigned|Rhudi}}

I went ahead and filled out the bracket from today's (see edit date) comic: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/WyPkHx2 {{unsigned|Glaucon81}}

*rise

Btw, why wouldn't I just enter "ipconfig free" if I didn't want my IP address showing? {{unsigned ip|172.68.65.48}}

== The comic explanation count is wrong ==

The adjustment is currently 3, but there are now 6 subcategories and one list making the current correct adjustment 7.
If the wiki was upgraded to version 1.20, a form exists to automatically exclude subcategories.
--[[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 09:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

:Looks like another week of the wiki going down then.
:But seriously, I've been noticing this too. Didn't know what was causing it, but it's going to have to be fixed sometime.[[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]] ([[User talk:Davidy22|talk]]) 10:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

::The text reads <pre><nowiki>We already have [[:Category:Comics|'''{{#expr:{{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-3}}''' comic explanations]]!</nowiki></pre> The -3 is to account for the subcategories and non-explanation pages in the category. There apparently used to be three such pages, and now there are seven. I would fix this myself, but the page is protected. If the wiki where upgraded to version 1.20, the categories could be explicitly excluded, but the [[List of all comics]] would still be in the category. (Note that the -3 actually appears twice.) --[[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 05:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Mediawiki 1.20 fixes this issue, although it'd be nice if this could be fixed in the meantime via the hack reccommended by divad. [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 06:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

:Looks like Waldir updated the "Comic Correction Count" to "10" (as of 20 November 2012):
<nowiki> We already have [[:Category:Comics|'''{{#expr:{{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-10}}''' comic explanations]]!</big>
Note: the -10 in the calculation above is to discount subcategories (there are 7 of them as of 20 November 2012),
non-comic pages (2 as of same date: [[List of all comics]] and [[Exoplanet]])
and the comic 404, which was deliberately not posted. Thus 7 + 2 + 1 = 10
(But there are still {{#expr:{{LATESTCOMIC}}-({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-10)}} to go. Come and [[List of all comics|add yours]]!)</nowiki>
:Could we possibly make this more dynamic by creating a "IGNORE_IN_COUNT" category or something? and then using something like: <nowiki>{#expr:{{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-{{PAGESINCAT:IGNORE_IN_COUNT}}}</nowiki>? Then any additional entries to the "Comics" category (that are 'special' entries) could just have the special category added and no main page editing would be necessary? --[[User:Bpothier|B. P.]] ([[User talk:Bpothier|talk]]) 07:50, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

==Make Jeff stop apologizing==
The apology for server downtime has been around for a while now. Can we take it down? [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]] ([[User talk:Davidy22|talk]]) 04:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

I think someone should install [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter AbuseFilter]. --[[User:Kronf|Kronf]] ([[User talk:Kronf|talk]]) 10:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

== Purge ==

We should regularly purge the server's cache for the main page using http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge to keep the explanation up to date. --[[User:Kronf|Kronf]] ([[User talk:Kronf|talk]]) 02:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

== Updating the Rules ==

I've been having a lovely discussion with someone who apparently thought the "edit anything you want" rule applied to the Talk pages. As we don't have any codified rules for ''here'' and can only point to "well the canonical way this is done on Wikipedia is..." I think that there are a few things we need to put into the list of Rules on the front page, and then have a link to a more in-depth talk about why the rules exist and what-not.

Specifically, I'm talking about writing "Feel free to edit any page on the wiki to be better. But, treat talk pages like you would blog comments: comments by other people ''cannot be changed by you'', you can only respond to them." as a new rule to be plastered on the front page, as there seems to be an increasing number social neophytes that seem to think that editing words that are attributed as being said by another person is perfectly legitimate and non-controversial.

Shall we discuss? [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 01:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

:We could add the etiquette rules as an addendum to the signature reminder at the top of the page. Just an extra note below the alert box asking people to not edit other people's comments. [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 06:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

::It really should be right down with the "edited mercilessly" description, because this is an exception to that statement. Shouldn't have two sets of contradictory instructions in different places. When I made my improper edit, I had a semi-conscious moment of doubt about whether changing the other guy's comment was ok, even though this is a wiki (and even though it wasn't really clear to me that this "discussion" box held something totally separate from the page content), but that statement at the bottom put all such doubts to rest. I read it multiple times to be sure. But I did not notice that line at the top about the four tildes until ''much'' later. It's somewhat lost, visually, in the header line, when you're not looking directly at it.[[Special:Contributions/50.0.38.245|50.0.38.245]] 18:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

:::There's discussion to replace that message with a more noticeable alert box. The message at the bottom of the page appears for all pages, including talk pages, so a talk-page specific message there would not entirely fit. [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 00:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

::::If that text at the bottom is in fact alterable, it should be written to take every case into account. It's an extremely poor user interface that has instructions appearing on a page stating rules that are the exact opposite of reality. And note that the altert box on the top looks a lot like a banner add, when you don't focus on it and read it. People will tend to habitually filter out anything written there from their perception. Also, it can easily be scrolled off the top of the screen when the discussion starts to get long, and they have a preview displayed.
::::So I think after the "...then do not submit it here.", it should add, "'''Exception''': others' comments in Discussion pages are not to be altered. See full rules at <<link to appropriate wikipedia page>>."[[Special:Contributions/50.0.38.245|50.0.38.245]] 15:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

== Update after changes ==

The front page explanation hasn't been updated at all day to match changes in the explanation on the comic's page. This is a major problem i think, as it is the front page explanation people visitors will most often read. --[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 20:43, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
: It might be a caching issue. Appending <code>&action=purge</code> to the URL will probably fix it. Can you confirm it looks good to you now? --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 00:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::Yep, now it updates instantly! Well done, whatever you did! :) --[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 16:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

:::I've also added a link underneath the comic box that has the action embedded, so no one has to do any manual URL hacking. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

::::Just wanted to check in on this - are there issues with automated systems or spammers following this link? I know it can affect performance - caching is important on a busy site! --[[User:Overand|Overand]] ([[User talk:Overand|talk]]) 22:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Change "Go to this comic" to "Go to this entry" ==

Just a small suggestion. For the Main Page, I suggest changing "Go to this comic" to say "Go to this ''entry''" instead to remove any confusion for new and regular viewers. It certainly took me a while to figure how to go to each featured comic's entry from the main page.

[[Special:Contributions/69.43.114.2|69.43.114.2]] 17:04, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

:How about if it reads "Go to this comic explanation"? Would that be less confusing? I only quibble because the explanations aren't really entries, in wiki parlance each page is usually called an article, but that doesn't seem to fit here as we really have explanation pages. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 17:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

::Agreed. [[User:Ctxppc|Randy Marsh]] ([[User talk:Ctxppc|talk]]) 22:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Explain the Unreleased Comic? ==
:I wonder if [[http://i56.tinypic.com/a9ton8.png this comic]] is permitted to be explained, despite the double issue of Randall pulling the comic plus me finding the pulled comic through "xkcd overrated"... [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 18:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

== Comic 1156 ==

I don't have an account to edit the page directly, so here's an edit someone should make:
It looks like whoever wrote the existing page simply googled 'conditioning' and found the first link that came up.
Please modify the link to point to 'Classical conditioning', not 'Operant conditioning'.
Thanks. {{unsigned ip|124.191.56.91|05:26, 7 January 2013‎ (UTC)}}

:Hi. This is the talk page for the main page of the wiki. This page only has a "view" of the actual comic explanation. The actual explanation page is at [[1156: Conditioning]], and I assure you, edit permissions have not been restricted for that page. Someone has already changed the page to link to Classical conditioning, but the original editor came back stating that Operant was correct. If you would like to start a discussion about this [[Talk:1156: Conditioning|on the talk page for this explanation]] that would be much more conducive to getting this matter settled. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 05:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

== Comic Links ==

Some of the links seem to be confusing, as they're titled in a weird way. The link/button 'go to this comic', I'd expect would go to the actual comic on XKCD's page. Yet it goes to the comic's wiki page. And clicking on the comic # and date directs you to the XKCD page, yet I really feel that link should go to the wiki page, as it's right at the top center there, and has the date and everything, sort of indicating that it's a wiki page, yet it's not. And the prev and next buttons next to it don't go to the xkcd page, they go to the wiki pages. Which is really messed up, I think. Because of my confusion, every single time I visit here, I clicked on the wrong link, though now I've gotten used to it. I suggest rewording the links as 'XKCD Comic # and date' and 'go to this comic's wiki page'. And possibly switching the links' positions so that the wiki links could be in that navigation bar and the XKCD links could be off to the side. After all, we are a wiki, so putting our wiki links to the comic off to the side and the direct xkcd link in the center seems odd. Anyway, has anyone had the same thoughts and/or agree with me on this?--[[Special:Contributions/69.119.250.251|69.119.250.251]] 18:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Unexplained comics ==

The template that starts each explanation page should be edited to have the next and previous buttons automatically skip over pages that don't exist, rather than simply not being there if comic n+1 or n-1 doesn't exist. Preferably it would append a notice to the next page (like the redirect notices commonly found on mediawiki) telling you how many comics have been skipped. I'm not sure how feasible this would be to script, however. [[Special:Contributions/130.160.145.185|130.160.145.185]] 23:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== Percentage of remaining comics calculation is off... ==

Okay, I hate to be "that pedantic math guy", but... Today the main page reads "We have collaboratively explained 936 xkcd comics, and only 252 (27%) remain." While I agree that 252/936 is roughly 27%, I believe we should really be calculating the percentage as "the number left to explain" divided by "the total number of comics that exist", not divided by "the number we have finished". That is (today), 252/1188=21%. Think about it. If we had completed 594 comics today, with 594 remaining, what should the percentage be? 594/594=100%? That's not right... 594/1188=50%? That's what we really want to say.

The page is protected, which makes sense. So I'll make my suggestion here.

Change this:

<pre>
and only {{#expr:{{LATESTCOMIC}}-({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-9)}}
({{#expr: ({{LATESTCOMIC}}-({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-9)) / ({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-9) * 100 round 0}}%)
remain.
</pre>
To this:
<pre>
and only {{#expr:{{LATESTCOMIC}}-({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-9)}}
({{#expr: ({{LATESTCOMIC}}-({{PAGESINCAT:Comics}}-9)) / {{#expr:{{LATESTCOMIC}}}} * 100 round 0}}%)
remain.
</pre>
[[User:Imperpay|Imperpay]] ([[User talk:Imperpay|talk]]) 15:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

:Done and done. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|purple|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 15:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for the heads-up! However, notice that the #expr: around LATESTCOMIC was unnecessary. I've removed it. [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 11:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

::Waldir, you have exposed me as a charlatan and a fool! (I just copied, pasted, and tinkered until I made something that worked. I don't actually understand it. No formal training, you see. It's what we used to call "hacking" back in the dawn of the digital era, before the word took on connotations of vandalism, trespassing, and fraud. Have you kids come up with another word for it?) [[User:Imperpay|Imperpay]] ([[User talk:Imperpay|talk]]) 13:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

::: Joke's on me then, 'cause you sure fooled me – I readily assumed you knew your way around those parser functions. Nice job hacking the code, it was a nearly perfect crime ;) --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 03:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::I've heard the cool kids call that the "Maker Mentality", usually with a reference to [http://makezine.com/ Make magazine] and [http://makerfaire.com/ Maker Faire]. But I think there's also a movement to resurrect the original meaning of hacker. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 04:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

==sidebar ads?==
''Moved to [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Proposals]] –– [[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 08:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)''

== Expression error on Main Page ==

Please use <code><nowiki>{{PAGESINCAT:...|R}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>{{PAGESINCAT:...}}</nowiki></code> to correct these errors :) --[[Special:Contributions/110.168.83.62|110.168.83.62]] 10:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Dun diddly done. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 11:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

== Compile a list of non-technical comics to non-technical readers? ==

I'm a long-time reader and fan of >< |< C |}, but my normal approach is useless when I introduce this provocative comic series to my less technical friends. They stay at the apparent level of many comics. They don't bother reading the explanations, but they would say, "it's hard to make sense". Imagine an average non-technical (and non-arts) major guy/girl, can we compile a list of state-of-the-art but less-technical, easy-to-comprehend but "ah ha!!" strips that is suitable for them? --[[User:FrenzY|W shll nvr flly xpln xkcd!]] ([[User talk:FrenzY|talk]]) 12:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
:Oh my god that signature.
:Gaah, derailment. Uh, pretty much anything that isn't tagged with the physics or math categories are easy enough to understand for the average English speaker, so just check the categories at the bottom of the page for that. Also, avoid comics with the incomplete tag, and that oughta be fine. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 14:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

== Quit building? ==
''This post was moved to [[Talk:1214: Geoguessr]].''

:Hello, this is the talk page for the content of the front page of the wiki, not for discussion of the most recent comic, that happens [[Talk:1214: Geoguessr|here]]. I've moved your post over there for you. Cheers, and welcome to explain xkcd! [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]_a ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 05:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== List of incomplete comics ==
We need a link to the "Incomplete articles" at the main page below the "Missing link". Most pages are created but many are incomplete.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== Header message ==

'''Please don't take this seriously unless you actually think it's a good idea:'''

I think the header should be changed from "explain xkcd: It's 'cause you're dumb." to "explain xkcd: It's 'cause you're dumb... or still have some hope that comic [[1190]] will end." or something similar. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 14:53, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

::Nope! This page is trying to explain more than 1222 comics, not only [[1190: Time]]. The header just states the truth.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd vote for a change. People have started coming over to discuss the comic even when they've 'gotten' it. That, and the fact that this is one step ahead of Googling the references yourself. So.. maybe, "it's because you're dumb..and lazy."[[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 02:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:I honestly don't think it either. This is the most comprehensive comic-by-comic Wiki. People don't come here because they're dumb ''or'' lazy. That's like saying I'm dumb for reading a review of an episode after I've watched it - I'm interested in seeing what other people up with or caught that I didn't. It denigrates the idea of aggregating information, which is a very un-XKCD idea.

As a regular reader of explainxkcd (who was to lazy to cotribute anything until now), I'd like to support the proposed edit. (... and lazy) It really fits to the tone of our favourite waste of otherwise productive time (which is xkcd for myself). Best wishes from Heidelberg, Germany. --[[Special:Contributions/147.142.13.86|147.142.13.86]] 14:38, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

A friend that happens to be blind hates this site because of the "It's cause you're dumb" tagline. If he wants a transcript of the comic on xkcd, his option is to come here and have his screen reader program telling him that he is dumb every single time.

How about, "explain xkcd: because sometimes we all need a little help."? -- [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.65|173.245.54.65]] 02:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

:Oh, hadn't thought about that. There's been recurring complaints about this over the years, though the tagline's been around since before we were a wiki. I'll write something up and put this to a vote. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 09:00, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

== A point of confusion ==

Why is 'Apatosaurus' a category but 'Internet Argument' no longer a category? [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 13:53, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:Cuz people hit the random button, see an Apatosaurus feature in three comics and figure it must be a recurring theme. Same as the internet argument thing. Will get round to a category purge after we've cleared out all the incomplete tags. I think there's one for ferrets hidden away somewhere in the dark recesses of our catalog of categories. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 14:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::On the subject, can I suggest a "Barred from Conferences" category, or similar? That's definitely a recurring theme (for a long, long time), and thus should be justified enough. I'd be happy to add various qualifying articles as I scroll through again, if I can, but first I'll leave it up to someone else to solidify the actual name. (In case it turns out not to be just conferences, for example.) [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27|178.98.31.27]] 16:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== Incomplete comics statement ==

I suggest the minor change: "We have an explanation for all x xkcd comics, and only y (y/x %) are '''marked as''' incomplete." –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 08:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== 1262 is out ==

So what are you waiting for? [[Special:Contributions/75.60.27.102|75.60.27.102]] 06:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:<nowiki>(diff | hist) . . N 1262: Unquote‎; 06:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC) . . (+322)‎ . . ‎Davidy22 (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (Created page with "{{comic | number = 1262 | date = September 9, 2013 | title = Unquote | image = unquote.png | titletext = I guess it's a saying from the Old Country. }} ==Expl...")</nowiki>
:Examine the time stamps. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 06:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

== Adverts ==

I am not going to disable my adblock, I hate ads. If you accept bitcoin I can make a donation though. [[Special:Contributions/184.66.160.91|184.66.160.91]] 05:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:Our ads are always easy-to-load images as opposed to flash ads, they're always pointing to some valuable product of some form and we've looked at and approved all of them. They also occupy space that would otherwise have been empty, as our one ad is bound strictly to the sidebar. We used to have a paypal donation button, but it was pitifully tended to and a much less reliable source of income than ads. Ads are the only reliable business model for small sites like this one; unless our readers suddenly become willing to pay all our server costs for us, we can't feasibly afford a better hosting plan without ads. We legally aren't allowed to open a merch store, because that infringes on Randall's shop, and we haven't had a single generous benefactor yet. If you want to stop seeing our server error messages, loosening up adblock for us and contributing to our impressions count will help us massively. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 06:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't care about your server message, I wanted to make a donation. Sooo, you don't want any bitcoins? [[Special:Contributions/37.221.161.235|37.221.161.235]] 07:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:This took a bit of digging. We're fine with bitcoin donations, it's just that at the rate donations came in, they were just not enough to pay for anything. [https://coinbase.com/checkouts/b19f921822ac962807a8f72d51509e59] '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 20:34, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Donation made! [[Special:Contributions/184.66.160.91|184.66.160.91]] 23:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks! '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I hope you kept your Bitcoins ;) --[[User:192·168·0·1|192·168·0·1]] ([[User talk:192·168·0·1|talk]]) 21:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Am I the only one that feels it is "wrong" that the explainxkcd site has ads and the real xkcd doesn't have any? It feels like someone is profiting off of Randall's work. Does he officially endorse this website? Do any proceeds help go to support his ongoing publication of an awesome comic? [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.19|173.245.54.19]] 16:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

:An admin will be able to give you more detail than me, but explainxkcd has a significant number of visitors (and thus hosting costs), and no way to generate income other than donations and ads. In contrast, Randall makes money from his comics by way of books and merchandise (and possibly public speaking), some of which will pay for his hosting. He could choose to have ads on his site to generate additional income, its his choice not to. I have no knowledge of the finances of explainxkcd, however I doubt there is much/any surplus ad revenue being pocketed by the owners/admin. As far as the site being officially endorsed, not as far as I'm aware, no.
:Also, for more discussion on adverts/income, see [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Proposals#Sidebar_ads here].--[[User:Pudder|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder|talk]]) 16:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

== /wiki is returning a 403 ==

Hello, 
http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/ is returning a 403 now. In my eyes you should redirect it to the main-page instead :-). --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 12:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:We have a new, hopefully better, server. The problem is already reported to [[User_talk:Jeff#Forbidden]] --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 14:22, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

== Explain Explain XKCD / Explain^2 XKCD ==

This particular comic explanation requires explanation. Way too many potential cross references with each conjecture requiring its own explanation page. Dial it back a little. {{unsigned ip|108.162.245.11}}
:Uh, sorry, could you clarify that a little? '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 07:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

::He is talking about the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/ http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/] issue. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Well if it's that, that's an intentional permissions setting on a URL that no-one is feasibly going to type. Unless you can come up with a better use for that URL, with a reason? '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::::A symlink to "index.php" at the root folder would solve the problem.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 09:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I cannot believe how many weeks that took to fix. Amazing. No one was going to type it, but everyone was going to get redirected to it from the home page! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.222.227|108.162.222.227]] 11:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The problem is still not solved. [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/ http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/] gives still a 403 error because "index.php" is not included in the http server configuration as a default index page. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:: I've fixed this. Sorry about the delay. Was super busy! --[[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 16:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jeff, it's working. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

== Webmaster: Obtrusive video ad on your site ==

In the ad section I saw a box sticking out and blocking out the explanation. This was therefore a very obtrusive botched video ad. Please remove this ad from your site. [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.188|199.27.128.188]] 22:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: It's now sticking out and preventing me from clicking on the "Save page" button. [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.188|199.27.128.188]] 22:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:We only accept GIFs for moving ads. Ads should also be contained within the sidebar as they're techonogically restricted to standard-sized PNGs and GIFs, so an extruding ad would be a CSS error on the site end/browser error. In addition, we run ads from lots of advertisers, and "this ad" is not specific enough to tell us which ad you want us to remove. Could you provide a screenshot/link/more information? '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 22:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

== Adding an arcs list page ==

I think there should be a page listing all webcomics arcs so far (the red spiders, the race, etc.)[[Special:Contributions/188.114.102.134|188.114.102.134]] 12:47, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

:This already exists, see [[:Category:Comic series]]. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 05:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

== This explanation may be incomplete or incorrect: link ==

This has been bothering me for a while now. Why does the link in the info box for the main page link to editing the main page? It needs to link to the editing of the page which the comic's explanation is on. When I would like to edit the latest XKCD explanation, I click that thinking I am going to edit the explanation, but instead I am led to editing the main page. [[User:Auraxangelic|Auraxangelic]] ([[User talk:Auraxangelic|talk]]) 15:19, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
:Ooooooh, nice catch. I've actually never noticed that before, and it's definitely not intentional. It happens because the text of the explanation page is folded into the main page before mediawiki parses links and syntax, and the "Edit this page" button links to the page that the link is on. I have an idea for how to fix it though, so I'll get on that. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 01:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

== #1454 - bad description ==

"Curly-hair states longingly..." She comes across as disappointed (or even heartbroken), not "longing", which suggests sounding somewhat positive and energetic, rather than deflated. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.88|141.101.99.88]] 22:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

==Cueball/Rob merge==

It seems to me from a general reading of the comics that Randall has always intended for the character we here call "Cueball" to have the name "Rob". Much as "Cutie" was renamed "Megan" when we learned her name, and now she is identified as "Megan" even in comics where her name is not explicitly mentioned, I think we should consider merging the "Cueball" and "Rob" articles. I know there's a lot of inertia here, but it seems to me that this is Randall's intention for the character's name. [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 13:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
: Alternatively, we should un-merge [[Megan]] and [[Cutie]] for consistency. [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 14:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure this is an augmentation of the author's internal characters, including the one he has developed involuntarily as to the nature of his love. His memory of his love is not his love, yet it is what he has to love. Randall seems the type to delve into this, and thus I am in support of keeping the character names as they stand. /eof [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.185|173.245.56.185]] 05:43, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== Kerbal Space Program ==

I'm a schizophrenic who's been playing Kerbal Space Program for about five days with no sleep, and I'm pretty sure this is a reference to [https://www.google.com/search?q=xkcd+kerbal+space+program&oq=xkcd+kerbal+space+program&aqs=chrome..69i57.10851j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 comic 1365] :D [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.185|173.245.56.185]] 05:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== 1509 is missing ==

When will it be added? By bot, I presume.--[[User:17jiangz1|17jiangz1]] ([[User talk:17jiangz1|talk]]) 04:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

== Broken Date Box on comics ==

The "Comic #1511 (April 13, 2015)" textbox that appears on top of each comic breaks if you shrink the screen. I think the space after the comma needs to be replaced with a non breaking space.{{unsigned ip|108.162.238.144}}

:Is it fixed now? '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 20:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

::It looks like it. I had pointed it out once before and it was fixed. I guess somebody reverted that change or something... --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.202|173.245.56.202]] 13:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== 1515? ==

Is it correct that we have 1515 comics, as of April 15, 2015? --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.122|173.245.48.122]] 05:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
:It's not, but some people insist on making comic pages for things that aren't comics. I'll fix that. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 06:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== 972 is broken ==

Look, I'm not going to make an account here or anything, but I just wanted to point out that trying to access the page for comic #972 leads to a database error, and maybe someone should check on that. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.102|173.245.48.102]] 07:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually a lot of other pages lead to that same error as well... Even the 'Technical Diskussions' sub-page is broken. Seems to my, like some swap-spac needs cleaning up? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.230.83|108.162.230.83]] 10:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
:Yep. It's a symptom of another problem, but the errors should be cleared up now. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 16:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
::No dice. [[997]] is still broken. --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.119|198.41.235.119]] 00:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

:::Looks like they're working now. 21:01, 2016-11-27 {{unsigned ip|141.101.98.163}}

== #1567 ==

I think the current explanation is missing the connection, and the parody of, many "As Seen On TV" commercials selling kitchen products. Many of these commercials show people trying to use common kitchen equipment (pots, pans, can openers, etc) in a way that no normally functioning human would do it (for example, one has a lady draining the liquid from a pot of food into a sink in an extremely awkward manner — one that no normal person who has ever seen a kitchen would do — but then the lid flies one way, food goes another, there's a huge mess, etc; another commercial has someone trying to open a can of food using a can opener '''backwards''', with the woman looking extremely confused looking on how the can opener is supposed to be used or attached to the can [if you told someone act like they are a clueless monkey trying to use a can opener for the first time, that's basically what the commercial had the woman doing — no joke]). These commercials often begin with phrases such as "If you are like me" or "If you are like most home makers" or some other closely related "If you are like..." phrase (thus this comic is directly tieing itself to these commercials using this catch phrase). [[Special:Contributions/108.162.220.11|108.162.220.11]] 07:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:: Other opening catch phrases for these commercials include the "Tired of [fill-in made-up frustration]" and the "Do you [fill-in made-up frustration]" kind. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.220.11|108.162.220.11]] 08:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

== "I used Google news BEFORE it was clickbait" ==

Go to a handful of older pages on this wiki, and it won't be long before you see this phrase in the comments - [[941: Depth Perception]], for instance has two of them. Does anyone know why this happens? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.116|108.162.221.116]] 10:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:That's the signature of a person who used to post here. If you click through, it actually goes to a userpage. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 14:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

== URL ==

I notice that whenever you add "explain" to an xkcd url, it takes you here! neat! [[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.233|198.41.235.233]] 23:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Someone noticed! Finally! '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 04:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

== Should we really be using CC-BY-SA? ==

Don't get me wrong, CC-BY-SA is my favorite creative commons license. The problem is, are we really allowed? The reason I'm worried is that I'm not sure if what we are doing really counts as "fair use" with respect to XKCD. It would probably be better to do CC-NC-BY-SA, to respect XKCD, or at least put a note that CC-BY-SA only covers the wiki portion (since it's probably too late to do CC-BY-SA anyway).
[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.37|173.245.54.37]] 23:38, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:This is a tough one. Mediawiki sites generally use CC-BY-SA, even if the content they're based off is copyrighted (Wikia sites for various topics do this). The license only does apply to content ''created'' here. What should probably be done, if it isn't already, is some specification on pages in the <code>File:</code> namespace indicating that they are owned by someone other than the owners of this site. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

== #1663: Garden not yet added? ==

For me it's 4:30 AM, 4/4/16 - I have a sleep schedule just like [https://xkcd.com/361/], so I've been first on quite a few xkcd explanations immediately. when they came out.
I notice that usually, immediately once a new xkcd comic is released, a bot generates a corresponding bare-bones page on this wiki. However, this new comic "1663: Garden" doesn't yet have an automatically-generated page. Maybe it's because of the strange user-session hash key that appears in the URL bar when the "comic" is interacted with? Maybe this sort of interactive thing messes with the bot?
Am I just being impatient? Do I have to wait a few minutes? (I'm going to bed, and this probably won't be seen until tomorrow, but I am at least interested in knowing how the bot system works.) [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.21|173.245.54.21]] 09:01, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

== Skins broken ==

It seems both the Classic and Monobook skins are very very broken. Only Vector seems to be laid out normally. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
: Yes, for me too. Let me see what can be done. [[User:Jeff|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 20:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::All calls to /load.php seem to fail, which results in the broken look. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.86.167|162.158.86.167]] 11:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh wow, I thought I was the only one. [[User:SuperSupermario24|Just some random derp]] 15:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Should be fixed now. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 18:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

== #1682: Not sure about the reference for Russian meaning for Bun ==
''Also interesting to note is that in several Slavic languages (including Russian, Czech and Polish), the word for Rabbit literally means Little King''

I'm a native Russian speaker, and i've never heard of Rabbit being used for ''Little King''...

* Rabbit: ''krolik'' (кролик)
* Little King: ''korolyok'' (королёк)

Not sure if this above statement is correct for Russian language. {{unsigned ip|162.158.255.28}}
:This is the main page. You probably want to put this in [[Talk:1682: Bun]]'''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 16:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Random Button ==
The actual xkcd site has one and adding one would make it closer to the actual site and make discovering random comics and their explanations easier. It could go next to the comic # button.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.69|173.245.52.69]] 01:03, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is a random page button on the left. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:36, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
::Oh. Didn't see that. Sorry.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.69|173.245.52.69]] 20:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== XKCD Alignment Chart ==

A while back, I was searching for an XKCD alignment chart, with no success, so I made one. It is not perfect, so I'm wondering what other opinions on the alignment of the characters are.

Lawful Good- Beret

Neutral Good- Ponytail

Chaotic Good- Mrs. Roberts

Lawful Neutral-Cueball

Neutral Neutral- Megan

Chaotic Neutral- White hat

Lawful Evil- Hairy

Neutral Evil- Danish

Chaotic Evil- Black Hat

--[[User:Fallencrow305|Fallencrow305]] ([[User talk:Fallencrow305|talk]]) 22:10, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

:What about Help I'm trapped in a drivers license factory Elaine Roberts? --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 15:48, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
::Or Hairbun? Or Science Girl? Here are my predictions: Elaine - Chaotic Good, Hairbun - Lawful Good, Science Girl - Lawful Neutral --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 16:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

What? How can Beret Guy be anything other than chaotic?

== 1713 cc also means carbon copy. So 50 carbon copies of either of those words could be called for. ==

1713 cc also means carbon copy. So 50 carbon copies of either of those words could be called for. {{unsigned ip|108.162.215.146}}
:Sorry, but [[User:108.162.215.146|108.162.215.146]], you need to remember to sign your work. --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 11:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== Chatroom Idea... What do you guys think? ==
I have an idea. What if there was a discussion board for the wiki? (And no, I don't mean boards like this or the "comment section" of comic explanations. I mean a live chatroom plugin of sorts. We could add it to the website and enable it so we can talk to each other in real-time and make live edits with each other. This way, we can also let each other know of edits we've made, make new pages altogether, or just talk. What do you guys think? -- [[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 9:10, 13 September 2016
:The [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges recent changes] log already notifies all users on the site of new pages and edits. User talk pages and the community portals exist for coordination. Also, avoid creating new comment topics in the middle of a talk page in the future, comments are supposed to follow a chronological order. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 15:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::Sorry. --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 13:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== Copying versus embedding ==

Hi, I'm new here and I'm trying not to be an asshole. However, I just noticed that this site uses its own archive of copied xkcd comics, rather than using the image URL provided for hotlinking and embedding. I can understand this website will want to have its own archive in case xkcd.org ever goes offline, but until then, why not just embed the images instead of copying?

The reason I'm asking: I just realised I hardly ever go to xkcd.org anymore ever since my browser put explainxkcd above xkcd.org. Explanations get updated, so sometimes I check back later, which rarely happens with the comics. It makes perfect sense. But if more people experience this issue, xkcd.org is getting fewer unique visitors because of it, and this could be fixed by fetching the image directly from there, while still making and storing a copy in case it is needed in the future. Thoughts, anyone? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.33|141.101.104.33]] 17:08, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
:So, we can't do this for every comic, like [[1190]] or other april fools comics. Also, xkcd's revenue comes from merchandise sales, not ad revenue, so I believe it's not actually negatively impacting them that we're serving the images ourselves rather than making the main site serve them for us. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 05:39, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

:Embedding images is generally known as "stealing bandwidth", since it uses resources of the original site's server (may be limited) without bringing it any actual visitors (they won't see anything else of the website, like announcements, shop, other sections, ...). Also, depending on how unique visitors are counted, "visitors" through embedding might be invisible (client's side scripts won't be loaded). So no image embedding without the original site's owner express permission. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.88.106|141.101.88.106]] 12:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

== Other Languages ==
Are there translations of pages anywhere. It has been mentioned that they are on subdomains of this site, or a sub-page, as Main_Page/es for spanish. I can't seem to find them there. [[User:The Muffin Man|The Muffin Man]] ([[User talk:The Muffin Man|talk]]) 14:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
:It's a work in progress, long delayed but I really do want to get to it eventually. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 18:58, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

== Why are there male/female symbols in some of the entries? ==

Those symbols are not in the comic, but they're in the table. I think a vandal put them there. Can someone remove them from the Lavaball, Bladeball, Eggspotting, Merfishing, Consequence Golf and Heck Escape? (now don't act like someone who criticizes "politically correct leftist "libt++d" SJW snowflakes" just because I said "heck" or censored the derogatory term for "liberal" or not even trying to say these uncensored) -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.106|108.162.221.106]] 12:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

== How quaint ==

From the Main Page:

Explain xkcd: '''It's 'cause you're dumb.'''

From the Rules section:

'''Don't be a jerk. '''

(Emphasis mine)

How very ,very quaint. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.100|162.158.126.100]] 21:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

== HTTPS? ==

Hi,
With the general trend towards HTTPS being favoured over HTTP for security and speed reasons, would it be possible to force the use of HTTPS and secure the mixed content please?

Please see [https://www.whynopadlock.com/results/7e707bfd-cd71-4b00-b95e-be226fb10fb6 Why no Padlock?] for more details.

Thanks,
[[Special:Contributions/162.158.179.202|162.158.179.202]] 10:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

:Browsing using HTTPS seems to just work. There's even a signed certificate.
:https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1946

:I really don't get why people are so convinced that browsing using HTTPS is so much more "secure". You even seem to claim that it's faster?
:If you love it so much, install a browser extension like https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere.

:With the exception of the login / register page, I really don't see the point for enforcing this for the whole site. I am no admin though.
[[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.93|172.69.54.93]] 22:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

We are already in 2018 and this website still does not even redirect automatically to HTTPS ([https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170536-How-do-I-redirect-all-visitors-to-HTTPS-SSL- you can do it so easily with Cloudflare...]) nor enforce HTTPS with {{w|HSTS}}... I don't know, just check [https://scotthelme.co.uk/hardening-your-http-response-headers/#strict-transport-security on Scott Helme's site] why it's important. Having to rely on the user installing an extension for doing the sysadmin work is a bad joke, really. And it does not fix some issues with mixed content of course. With Let's Encrypt and Cloudflare providing certificates for free and the plethora of tutorials online on securing a website (not limited to HTTPS), there is no excuse to not do it. -- [[User:guest|guest]] ([[User talk:guest|talk]]) 11:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

== "It's 'cause you're dumb" ==
I see that there was some talk about this a while ago, in which people seemed to agree that the "It's 'cause you're dumb" tagline is unnecessarily mean and should be changed... and yet, it's still here. I'd like to add some more fuel to the fire with several reasons why I really hate this tagline:

* The tagline doesn't fit the tone of XKCD. Randall celebrates knowledge. Even Black Hat wouldn't just outright say "You're dumb", because he's a classhole who can insult way better than that.
* Many of the people who contribute to this wiki are very smart. They're not dumb.
* They're also quite amicable from what I've seen. If they wouldn't insult someone, why is the website doing so?
* Not knowing something is not the same as being dumb. Even the smartest people don't know everything.
* Having a desire to learn is smart, not dumb.
* The tagline's logic is flawed. Just because you learn a new thing, doesn't mean you were dumb to begin with.

Anyone with me on this?

[[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 14:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

: The first line of the "Rules" section is "Don't be a jerk" at the time of writing. The first thing this wobsite does is to break that rule. I'm not sure what else is to be said here. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76|162.158.126.76]] 16:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

:I always thought that was weird too. But it's still there... I'll tell the admins about it, and hopefully it will be changed. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 13:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Explanation: ''This'' is a joke... Missing the punchline? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:15, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I'm fine with the current tagline. I consider it a joke and don't feel offended. However, if there is consensus a) that and b) to what it should be changed, I'm ok with changing it. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 16:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm wondering, would it be possible to temporarily (a week or so?) stop new ads from appearing in the sidebar and replace it with a poll concerning this issue? Right now it's just showing what appeared in the banners in [[1965: Background Apps]], and not a real ad. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.58.81|162.158.58.81]] 10:12, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
:The advertisement is used to pay the fees needed to run this site. Right now this wiki get's an upgrade but when it's done this discussion will get a proper placement here. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The first time I encountered this tagline I thought it was pretty funny. Satire can be hard to detect online but this one seems clear enough. --[[User:DKMell|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell|talk]]) 20:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
:What is it satirizing? I'm serious; I genuinely don't know. It could well be that I just don't get the joke. [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 13:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

At first I liked the joke, but now it's either annoying or I ignore it. Personally I don't feel it needs to be changed, as it's in the satirical spirit of xkcd, but I wouldn't care too much. [[User:Nyx goddess|Nyx goddess]] ([[User talk:Nyx goddess|talk]]) 22:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

It's satire, if it gets removed that's exactly the kind of overzealous political correctness that MAGA chuds are talking about when they accuse us of being snowflakes, howabout let's not give them ammo. - 02:03, 22 December 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned ip|162.158.63.94}}
:As above: what it is satirizing? Also, for my part, it's not about political correctness at all; it's that the tagline doesn't match my personal positive image of XKCD, nor of this wiki, and it just feels unfitting to me, for all the reasons that I laid out. [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 13:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm in favor of a change. Let's drop the "dumb". Or at least modify it. I propose a "strikethrough" of dumb, then add any one of a list of possible words: confused, ignorant, curious, wondering, befuddled... (Oooh, could it randomly change each time the page is loaded? Code wizards, advance!) [[User:Imperpay|Imperpay]] ([[User talk:Imperpay|talk]]) 22:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
:A complete list of all synonyms of dumb, including dumb and all synonyms of those synonyms, according to thesaurus.com. One randomly loads each time you load the page via rng, or on a once a day system, like the incomplete page of the day. That would actually probably make it more mean on average, but more clearly a joke. Wouldn’t be impossible to code either.[[User:Netherin5|Netherin5]] ([[User talk:Netherin5|talk]]) 15:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

The reason I come to Explain XKCD is because I'm excited to see what other people have said about it. I agree with the above - it doesn't fit the spirit of xkcd's joy for knowledge and it really just isn't why people come here. Furthermore, it skirts demeaning people with disabilities. Please remove it. [[User:Jachra|Jachra]] ([[User talk:Jachra|talk]]) 07:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I also agree with Hawthorn. This tagline always was very strange for me. No, this is nothing about political correctness. I don't mind being insulted, if there is a joke, or something ironical or satirical behind it. But there just isn't. It's just not funny at all.
A random selection on every page load from a long list of completely absurd reasons would be more the XKCDs way. You could even try to create one or more "''It's because ...''" explanations for every comic and randomly display one out of those. 2206: "''... you don't know how to type capital numbers.''", 2205: "''... you don't assume Pi is one.''", 2204: "''... you didn't give us a moon.''", 2203: "''... there wasn't a really big meteor impact for a while.''" and so on. Pretty straight forward. The more frequent visitors of XKCD would probably even get many of the references and remember the corresponding comic. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221|162.158.91.221]] 17:39, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:I did recently raise the issue again on the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Is_the_.22It.27s_.27cause_you.27re_dumb.22_tagline_a_relic_of_the_past.3F Community Portal], explaining my case in more detail, although it seems to have garnered little interest. [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 12:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

What instead, then? It's poor form to suggest half a change; if not "it's cause you're dumb," what should the tagline be? [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.85|173.245.52.85]] 16:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

There seems a pretty clear consensus to get rid of the jarring insult, with no apparent objections. Has been for years now. What do we need to do to delete it? What's the blocker, here?
"first we need a consensus on replacement" isn't an answer. It sets too high a bar for something which is trivial, and anyway replacement is a separate task which can be performed later. Deletion is step 1, so what needs to be done to perform step 1, since none of us seems to have access to do so?
Personally, I'd argue for making it publicly editable, which then magically also resolves step 2, replacement. Any tagline that stayed for any amount of time would then only remain because it was widely considered worthy by site members. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.143|172.69.71.143]] 16:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
:I like that idea, it efficiently gets rid of the years-old issue, and any further issues would have their own discussion page, plus any change that's problematic, obscene or spam could easily be reversed. I can imagine that at first there would be many changes, but after a few weeks/ months it should stabilize itself. [[User:256.256.256.256|256.256.256.256]] ([[User talk:256.256.256.256|talk]]) 14:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion it is not an issue of political correctness, or any related flavour of woke nonsense. It is much simpler. Problem is, ''"It's 'cause you're dumb"'' is extremely pretentious and high-horsed, while simultaneously having absolutely no business being so. It feels like it is said by someone who unironically refers to him/herself in third person. Someone whose professional CV includes the fact that he/she used to be a class leader in second grade of primary school. Someone who used to remind a teacher about homework that the teacher was supposed to check, but forgot. Someone who still asks his/her mom to cut the crust off his/her sandwiches. I am not offended nor insulted by this line, I am just cringing because of that line's author being too socially inept to realize that he/she is not in the place to judge and attempt insulting readers' intellectual capabilities. Understanding Munroe's poorly drawn stick figures, diatribes, and diagrams originating from his neurotic turmoil does not come with an added bonus of entering the supposed high echelons of intelligence, and certainly not comedy nor humour. Munroe's "humour" actually requires only the superficial sliver of knowledge from any given domain to understand and thus does not really come with too many prerequisites, while at the same time it succeeds in making readers feel rare and exceptional as a result of being able to understand said "humour", and makes them feel much smarter than they actually are. That's why those comics were able to find quite a large audience within their niche. It is quite smart in itself, actually: while Munroe may be poor quality comedian, he seems to be self-aware enough to realize the existence of his own shortcomings, and compensate by "bribing" his readers via appeasing their egos. In return, the readers are willing to overlook poor comedic value of virtually all Munroe's content, as long as they are being deluded to feel exceptionally intelligent and sophisticated for understanding the comics' supposedly hyperintellectual subtle references. Meanwhile, doing what this website does: insulting that audience is basically, in principle, going in the completely opposite direction to what actually made Munroe's content successful in the first place, and hence is quite self-destructive from this website's point of view. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.242.207|172.70.242.207]] 00:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Editor FAQ ==
Eventually we may need that banner at the top for something else, like the incomplete explanation spotlight, or when the wiki was being upgraded, so I think we should add the Editor FAQ in the New Here? section. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 11:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:It's a first draft and I'm just waiting to be convinced that it's NOT incomplete. And be sure I haven't written it without a plan how to present it on the proper places. Furthermore this "Sitenotice" on the top is only "dissmissable" for valid users, every visitor not logged in does see this always. Thanks for your participation and I'm grateful about any help. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

== Categories on Main Page ==

[[MediaWiki:Common.css]] has the following entry:
<pre>
.page-Main_Page div#catlinks ul li {
border-left: none;
position: absolute;
left: 70px;
bottom: 6px;
}
</pre>
The <code>70px</code> cause an overlap for me in Firefox, and much too small a gap in Chrome. I suggest to actually remove that line completely, just compare it with categories on other pages: The gap is quite large. In Firefox, also the <code>6px</code> are too much, but in Chrome they are required. But it might be worth to try whether setting vertical align to something else can achieve a more consistent display. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.230|162.158.88.230]] 10:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
:And the comment above that says: "Dirty hack to hide the categories of the current comic from main page. ...". I'm aware of this but there is much more, especially for a mobile version I'm looking forward to. Only in this case I see three problems: The component is rendered as a list (ul,li) by hiding the bullets. This then empty space is always rendered different in different browsers. Using "position: absolute" tries to circumvent this but absolute positioning is bad layout and never should be used. Furthermore mixing the units ''px'' and ''em'' in many places is also a problem when comparing it at different browsers. I'm working on this with the final goal also having a proper mobile version, not only for Firefox, Chrome, Edge,... on a desktop. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

== Bookmark ==

I think we should add this book mark I made to automatically transfer anything from xkcd to its explainxkcd page (I was frustrated, ok?):

javascript:x=window.location.href;x = x.replace(/\D/g,'');t=document.title.substring(5).replace(/ /g,"_");window.location.href="https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/"+x+":"+t;

I know the code could be more compact, but using this, you can just press a button and it will take you to the explain page {{unsigned ip|172.68.47.84}}
:Just changing the URL from <code>xkcd.com/2115/</code> to <code>explainxkcd.com/2115/</code> (putting the word explain to the beginning) does the same. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
:Collecting these [[Browser helpers|here]]. – [[User:Yfmcpxpj|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj|talk]]) 04:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

== Non-comic explanations? ==

So I was looking at xkcd and I noticed a little jokey line near the bottom of the page in very small print that reads <pre> <nowiki> "xkcd.com is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 or below on a Pentium 3±1 emulated in Javascript on an Apple IIGS at a screen resolution of 1024x1. Please enable your ad blockers, disable high-heat drying, and remove your device from Airplane Mode and set it to Boat Mode. For security reasons, please leave caps lock on while browsing." </nowiki> </pre>
Now, I know enough to understand the joke, but it would be nice to have a page for this. Do we have one? Am I just blind? Either way, I would like to know. Thanks! [[User:Nyx goddess|Nyx goddess]] ([[User talk:Nyx goddess|talk]]) 23:39, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I just found it. Sorry! [[User:Nyx goddess|Nyx goddess]] ([[User talk:Nyx goddess|talk]]) 23:40, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

== Latest comic released. ==

I don't know where to post this, but the bots haven't created the page yet.
[[User:HelloWorld|HelloWorld]] ([[User talk:HelloWorld|talk]]) 19:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

: Probably infected by COVID-19. That's why you should wash your keyboards after visiting other websites. Until then, feel free to create the page manually (if possible). --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.19|108.162.242.19]] 21:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

== Minor edit proposal ==

Line 19 of the main page includes this sentence:
<pre>Many of the recent contributors, listed above, have [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=newbie just joined].</pre>
That right there is not a wikilink. Could we change it to:
<pre>Many of the recent contributors, listed above, have [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|contribs=newbie}} just joined].</pre>
Both render as follows:
{|class="wikitable"
|Many of the recent contributors, listed above, have [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|contribs=newbie}} just joined].
|}
And I think my way is cleaner. [[User:Jacky720|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720|contribs]]) 14:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

==1000: 1000 Comics/1000 characters update==
I've completed the blank explanations for all the remaining characters in [[1000: 1000 Comics/1000 characters]]; however, it could really use some work in terms of verification. I offer the sweet incentive of being able to get rid of a page's 'incomplete' label as reward for people to double check my, and [[User:Kynde|Kynde's]] work on the project. [[User:BlackHat|Your favourite sociopath]] ([[User talk:BlackHat|(the one who leaves all the parentheses open]] 07:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC

==2021-02 updates to top of page==
I don't really like the changed first few lines - I think it takes up too much room and the previous info was better. I look at the main page daily, and want to see the comic and explination not all this stuff that I think would be better down below the daily comic display. [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 17:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

: I agree, and it drives me crazy that {{tl|Welcome}} is designed for talk pages, so there is a red link to [[User:Main Page]]! [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.213|172.68.142.213]] 15:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

: Since Jeff is much more involved in all this sort of stuff than myself, I would tend to defer to his judgement, but I also agree that the "Main Page" red link is pretty ugly. I will "be bold" and revert the change and then drop it if he really wants it. [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 18:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
::I guess I cannot revert things as there are no "edit" buttons I can view for the Main Page [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 19:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
:::You need administrator privileges to edit the main page. This was done to reduce spam, which is basically non-existent now. I made the {{tl|Welcome}} template, and I certainly did not make it for it to be displayed in the main page! I made it to welcome new users to the site. — [[User:Sqrt-1|The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭]] [[User talk:Sqrt-1|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1|stalk]] 13:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
::::I see on [User:Jeff|Jeff]]'s talk page that Sqrt-1 has made a comment about this so maybe it will be taken care of. I am guessing that some automatic bot-like thing might have made an error. Today I got the {{tl|Welcome}} template added to my user page by Sqrt-1. It does seem like a useful template for user pages - less so for the Main page. [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 13:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
:It looks like [[User:Jeff|Jeff]] has reverted it - Thanks! [[User:J-beda|J-beda]] ([[User talk:J-beda|talk]]) 11:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

== Overuse/misuse of incomplete template ==

Instead of having information on why the comic is incomplete or being removed once the explanation is finished, the incomplete template is being treated as a place to put witty comments. This overcrowds the category, making it more difficult to see articles in need of actual help or know why they need help. I have gone through the incomplete articles and posted new topics on ones with incomplete tags that do not provide information on why the template is there, asking to know why the comic is incomplete and, failing that, to have the template removed. For the full details, please see [[User:Quillathe_Siannodel|my user page]].

I would like to request that either a less obtrusive solution or compromise be found or the error of my (relatively new user) ways be explained to me by someone more experienced.

Sincerely, <s>[[406:_Venting|Summer Glau]]</s> [[User talk:Quillathe Siannodel|{)|(}]][[User:Quillathe_Siannodel|Quill]][[User talk:Quillathe Siannodel|{)|(}]]

P.S. Maybe an "incomplete incomplete template" template? I don't know.

P.P.S. I can kill you with my brain.

I don't know. I re-signed and edited so many times, March 2021 (UTC)
: In some cases, the "incomplete" tag is left on for a long time, when nobody takes the trouble to remove it from a page that has migrated out of people's attention. Sometimes, people remove it inappropriately, while a page is still actively under revision. In many cases, it's hard for anyone to say what's "incomplete" about a page because there's relevant stuff to add that isn't obvious until someone adds it. The question is more: at what point can a page be reasonably assumed to be "complete"? A week after the most recent edit to it? Some pages undergo revision for quite a while after they're first posted; other pages remain stable after only a few days. It annoys me when someone edits a page and removes its "incomplete" tag at the same time, which gives me the impression of "now that I have made my change, the page is in its final form, and nobody else should touch it!" [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 22:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
::Proposal: The default text of the incomplete template could be modified to include <code><nowiki>[[Category: Incomplete Incomplete (or something similar)]]</nowiki></code>. If the text is modified, the page should be removed from the category. This new category would be easily accessible from the main page, and anyone visiting it should see information about the category's meaning and how to help make said templates more informative. Possible ways to go about this:
::* Line 315 of the bot script would be changed to read: <code><nowiki>{{incomplete|Created by a BOT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.[[Category: Whatever The Name Ends Up Being]]}}</nowiki></code>.
::* The main page banner would be changed to read: <code><nowiki>''Welcome to the '''explain [[xkcd]]''' wiki!'' 
We have an explanation for all [[:Category:All comics|'''{{#expr:{{PAGESINCAT:All comics|R}}-1}}''' xkcd comics]],

and only {{PAGESINCAT:Incomplete explanations|R}}
({{#expr: {{PAGESINCAT:Incomplete explanations|R}} / {{LATESTCOMIC}} * 100 round 0}}%) [[:Category:Incomplete explanations|are incomplete]]. Help us finish them! If you're looking for something easier, you could also edit one of the {{PAGESINCAT:Whatever The Name Ends Up Being|R}} pages with [[:Category:Whatever The Name Ends Up Being|incomplete explanations]], which would help other editors.</nowiki></code>.

::* The new category would read: <code><nowiki>This is the category page for incomplete pages that have no explanation for why they are incomplete in the incomplete tag. Do not add pages to this category. See also: [[:Category:Incomplete pages]] and [[:Category:Incomplete transcripts]]</nowiki></code>.
::I will not do this without first seeking community approval, because these are huge edits that could majorly change the wiki. Is this a good idea? [[User talk:Quillathe Siannodel|{)|(}]][[User:Quillathe_Siannodel|Quill]][[Special:Contributions/Quillathe_Siannodel|{)|(}]]
::: Feels a great idea. Given the dearth of opinion ventured either way, and given you've given plenty of time for people to declare an opinion, I'd argue to be bold, do it, and see if people squeal. It can always be reverted if required. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.161|172.70.178.161]] 17:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Add another digit to percentage incomplete count ==

With the large majority of comics gaining explanations, I suggest that the current expression be adjusted to the following, changing "round 0" to "round 1":

<pre>({{#expr: {{PAGESINCAT:Incomplete explanations|R}} / {{LATESTCOMIC}} * 100 round 1}}%)</pre>

Resulting in: ({{#expr: {{PAGESINCAT:Incomplete explanations|R}} / {{LATESTCOMIC}} * 100 round 1}}%)
[[User:Gamma|Gamma]] ([[User talk:Gamma|talk]])

== Problems creating account ==

I just attempted to create an account, and got the following message:
There are problems with some of your input.

I made an adjustment to the password (which seemed to be the problem), consisting of making one of the letters of my original attempt a capital. This didn't work.

There is no point telling me there are problems with my input and not telling me what the problems are. I can't read your mind at this distance.

Cheers
Copey.

== 2530: Clinical Trials ==

Maybe step 3 should come before step 2?

== add non-numbered comics ==

idea: for the "We have an explanation for all [number] xkcd comics..." make the number include the non-numbered comics like five minute comics part 4, Syndication, Blue Eyes, and that one book-publishing-rate one. what do you guys think? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.93|108.162.221.93]] 17:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)Bumpf

:Good point, also as of right now even only including the numbered comics it's not up-to-date, as the newest comic is 2555 and it says "We have an explanation for all 2554 xkcd comics" -- [[User:256 256.256.256|256.256.256.256]] ([[User talk:256 256.256.256|talk]]) 09:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

:: That is likely due to:
<nowiki></nowiki>
:: -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.65|108.162.237.65]] 17:21, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

== fix these articles please! ==

What If chapters should be a redirect, not a mirror of [[What If? chapters]] ! [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.10|172.69.71.10]] 17:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)Bumpf
:Done. — [[User:Sqrt-1|The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭]] [[User talk:Sqrt-1|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1|stalk]] 07:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
::The redirect page now deleted --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

== lol ==

https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/6xbc78/reading_xkcd_comics/ 13:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

== Top 10 includes no more than 9 people? ==

[[File:Top_10_but_it's_just_nine.png]]

have only nine users edited in the past seven days (unlikely) or does that top ten list really show no more than nine users? [[User:256.256.256.256|256.256.256.256]] ([[User talk:256.256.256.256|talk]]) 09:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
:My guess is that it is because currently place 10 and 11 have a tie with a score of 4 due to 3 edits on 2 pages and the top 10 table can show a maximum of 10 entries and cannot "decide" which one to show as no 10.
:You can view the full list by clicking the "lots of people" below the table. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 13:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

::That would make sense, except right now it alternates between ElijaRock and Asdf who both have two edits, two points and two unique pages edited, and pure chance seems to decide which one of the two gets 10th place every time I hit F5 [[User:256.256.256.256|256.256.256.256]] ([[User talk:256.256.256.256|talk]]) 14:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
:::PS: The actual 10th place right now is neither Asdf nor ElijaRock, it´s Jack (or at least it should be and sometimes, when the wind is blowing in the right direction, it even is) [[User:256.256.256.256|256.256.256.256]] ([[User talk:256.256.256.256|talk]]) 14:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

... maybe it's because everyone else is dumb... ^_^ [[User:20040302|20040302]] ([[User talk:20040302|talk]])

== Countdown Timer? ==

What’s the timer at the top right of the xkcd site counting down to? Apologies if there’s already a page on this; I didn’t look very hard :P

See https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:2566:_Decorative_Constants -- [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.39|172.70.114.39]] 02:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Now here: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Countdown_in_header_text.

== Set up X-Forwarded-For for correct IP address reporting ==

(I already posted this on David's talk, but I noticed he's no longer active... Hopefully an admin will read this here) This should be done server-side, as right now (and for a very long time) it's been reporting load balancer / cache IP addresses for all the users. With recent vandalism, it'd help. [[User:BytEfLUSh|BytEfLUSh]] ([[User talk:BytEfLUSh|talk]]) 22:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

== It says "all 2626 xkcd comics"?? ==

so i get that there are one less than the category, so it should be 2627 (at the time of writing, [[2628]] is the most recent) right? where is the extra one being removed from?[[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.33|162.158.78.33]] 21:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Bumpf
:Backend counting error that'll be refreshed when whichever page is missing from the count is updated '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 06:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Still not fixed. [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 23:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

2639: Periodic Table Changes

2022-06-30T00:15:31Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2639
| date = June 29, 2022
| title = Periodic Table Changes
| image = periodic_table_changes.png
| titletext = It's nice how the end of the periodic table is flush with the edge these days, so I think we should agree no one should find any new elements after #118 unless they discover a whole row at once.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a SPITE ELEMENT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table periodic table] is a table used to arrange [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element chemical elements] according to their chemical and physical properties. This comic proposes "changes" to the periodic table that would be more pleasant aesthetically or make the periodic table look more regular. Some of these are (somewhat) practical changes to element abbreviations that could improve clarity, though changing documents to use different abbreviations would probably be more trouble than it's worth. However, some changes don't take into account that elements would stop being arranged by their properties and the periodic table would stop being useful after such changes, unless said changes were meant to physically change the material properties of the elements, which would be impossible.

Other modifications make up new elements or remove existing ones from the table, which would not be a reasonable decision given that the periodic table is supposed to include all existing elements, whether they make the table neater or they don't.

;Move helium over here. It fits nicely!
Helium is moved from the upper right corner to the second column next to hydrogen. However, the reason it is placed at the far-right Group 18 and not Group 2 is because it is a {{w|noble gas}}, rather than a reactive {{w|alkaline earth metal}}. You could say helium is in group 2 because it has two electrons in its outer shell, but normal periodic tables place it in group 18, the noble gases, with which it has far more in common. Hydrogen has similar problems being in group 1, as it's a non-metal and the elements below it are metals which don't have much in common with it chemically. periodic tables show hydrogen floating above the periodic table for that reason.

;Elements in this corner are cool. Add more!
TBD (to be determined).

;Sp (Spite element)
Wedged between fluorine and neon. This could be a reference to spite houses, houses jammed into a narrow space to block other construction.

;Merge these boring metals with titanium to make *tixanium*
Tixanium (Tx) replaces five metals, including titanium (Ti). This may be a reference to the term "UX" (user experience) being used instead of "UI" (user interface) as more of an umbrella term.

While titanium certainly has an impressive name, and is used in the aerospace industry and other high-performance applications, the others are hardly boring; manganese, for example, was part of the cover story for the top-secret {{w|Project Azorian}}.

;Update Latin/Neo-Latin symbols to match names. This isn't ancient Rome.
* Sodium: Na (Natrium) => So
* Potassium: K (Kalium) => Pm
* Iron: Fe (Ferrum) => I
* Silver: Ag (Argentum) => Sv
* Gold: Au (Aurum) => Gd
* Tin: Sn (Stannum) => Tn
* Lead: Pb (Plumbum) => Ld
Since I is already used for Iodine, it gets a new abbreviation Io, and Gadolinium is re-abbreviated to Gm to free up Gd.

Oddly, this group of changes doesn't include mercury (Hg -- hydrargyrum) or antimony (Sb -- stibium).

;Replace the blander post-transition metals with new kinds of carbon
* Indium (In) -> C II.
* Antimony (Sb) -> C III.
* Tellurium (Te) -> C IV.
* Thallium (Tl) -> C V.
* Bismuth (Bi) -> C VI.

Carbon can make four covalent bonds, which means it can form a huge range of chemicals, above all ones vital to life. The post-transition metals don't have this level of interest. If there were more chemicals like carbon, it could allow more exciting chemistry and perhaps new kinds of life.

;That W annoys me
* Tungsten: W (Wolfram) -> Tg.

Four elements -- yttrium (Y), ytterbium (Yb), terbium (Tb) and erbium (Er) -- are named after [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ytterby Ytterby], a Swedish village. Scandium (Sc), thulium (Tm), holmium (Ho) and gadolinium (Gd) were isolated from minerals found in the same quarry. Randall suggests naming them after some other major world cities.

The title text suggests discovering elements only in entire rows at once. Elements with more protons than 118 could be discovered in future by collisions in particle accelerators, but aren't likely to be discovered in an entire row at a time.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:Changes I would make to the periodic table.
:[A modified periodic table is shown, with changes in red.]

:[Helium is moved from the upper right corner to the second column next to hydrogen:]
:Move helium over here. It fits nicely!
:[Two elements labeled TBD (to be determined) are added to the left of boron and aluminium:]
:Elements in this corner are cool. Add more!
:[Narrow triangular shape is wedged between fluorine and neon:]
:Sp (Spite element)
:[Tixanium replaces five elements: scandium, titanium, vanadium, chromium and manganese:]
:Merge these boring metals with titanium to make *tixanium*
:[The symbols of sodium, potassium, iron, silver, gold, tin and lead are changed:]
:Update Latin/Neo-Latin symbols to match names. This isn't ancient Rome.
:[The symbols of indium, antimony, tellurium, thallium and bismuth are changed to symbols containing the letter C followed by Roman letters II to VI, respectively.]
:Replace the blander post-transition metals with new kinds of carbon.
:[The symbol of tungsten is changed from W to Tg.]
:That W annoys me
:Move.
:Inserting the lanthanides and actinides properly makes the table too wide. Triage is needed. Each element will be offerent free training to help adjust to its new column.
:3.4% of all elements are named after Ytterby, Sweden (pop. 3,000). Let's keep yttrium, but rename the other 3 after bigger cities (tokyium, delhium, and jakartium?) to be more fair.

{{comic discussion}}

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[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics with color]]

2636: What If? 2 Countdown

2022-06-24T00:33:52Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2636
| date = June 22, 2022
| title = What If? 2 Countdown
| image = what_if_2_countdown.png
| titletext = If you don't end the 99 Bottles of Beer recursion at N=0 it just becomes The Other Song That Never Ends.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by FOUR SCORE AND 7 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
This comic takes the idea of {{w|Advent calendar}}s, and takes it to the extreme. It uses rather absurd and/or obscure ways to measure the amount of time until [[Randall]]'s new book ''What if? 2'' is released, with esoteric units or esoteric numbers. And often both.

Some concepts that appear several times throughout the calendar are:

* '''{{w|SI prefixes}}''', which can be applied to the beginning of a unit's name to multiply or divide the unit by powers of 10 or 1,000. This is standard for units like meters and grams, but is rarely applied to measurements of time other than when a unit of less than one second is needed, most commonly in various fields of science and engineering such as physics and electronics.
* The '''{{w|Gettysburg Address}}''', a famous speech delivered by U.S. president Abraham Lincoln in 1863, where he began by referring to the signing of the Declaration of Independence taking place "four score and seven years ago". A score is a dated term for the number 20, so "four score and seven" is equivalent to 87.
* A '''dog year''' is traditionally considered to be one-seventh the length of a normal human year, since a dog's overall lifespan is roughly one-seventh of a typical human's. The comic applies this to other units of time, such as minutes and months, each of which is also one-seventh the length of the standard unit. The number 7 (traditionally a "lucky number") is also used in many of the numbers quoted in the calendar.
* Other comparative durations of time that are not normally or usefully applied to day-length multiples. At the top end, there is the age of the universe, at the other there is {{w|Planck_units#Planck_time|Planck-time}} – with entire durations of periods of human history and the time needed to watch popular TV/film franchises in-between – most of which require a non-trivial multiplier or divisor to bring them to the necessary scale required.
* A '''{{w|baker's dozen}}''' is 13, or one more than a normal dozen. Here, the "baker's" prefix can be applied to any unit by adding an extra one of its constituent parts, like an extra hour added to a day.
* '''{{w|Irrational numbers}}''' like {{w|pi}} (3.14159...), {{w|Euler's number}} or ''e'' (2.71828...), the {{w|golden ratio}} (1.61803...), and the {{w|square root of 2}} (1.41421...). These are all interesting numbers because of their mathematical properties, but very impractical to use as arbitrary measurements of time because they have an endless series of non-repeating decimal digits.
* The teenage dating game '''{{w|Seven minutes in heaven}}'''.
* Rotation and revolution periods of various planets and moons in the Solar System.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Days !! Date !! Units !! Exact value !! Explanation
|-
| 83 || Jun 22 || πe millidecades || 82.0304 days || π =~ 3.14159, e =~ 2.718, so πe is about 22.459. A millidecade is 1/1000 decade, or 1/100 year, or 3.652425 days. Multiplying these results in 82.03 days. This is a play on Euler's identity, eiπ=-1, but raising pi to the power of e instead.
|-
| 82 || Jun 23 || 7 megaseconds || 81.0185 days || 7,000,000 seconds
|-
| 81 || Jun 24 || e lunar months || 80.27247 days || A lunar month =~ 29.53059 days, e =~ 2.718
|-
| 80 || Jun 25 || 60 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 79.67 days || Foucault's pendulum rotates once every 31.8 hours because of the rotation of the Earth and its latitude.
|-
| 79 || Jun 26 || 8 milligenerations || 78.89 days || A generation is in general 22-33 years, with a reasonable mid-point of 27; and 8 * 0.001 (milli) * 365.2425 (accounting for leap years) * 27 =~ 78.89 days
|-
| 78 || Jun 27 || 777,777 dog minutes || 77.16 days || A popular myth is that dogs age 7 times faster than humans, so 1 dog minute equals 1/7 human minutes.
|-
| 77 || Jun 28 || 7! episodes of ''Jeopardy!'' (skipping ads) || 77 days || 7!=7*6*5*4*3*2*1=5040 - The standard episode of ''Jeopardy'' is 22-26 minutes skipping ads - taking the lowest value you get 110880 minutes total, which is the exact value needed.
|-
| 76 || Jun 29 || 5,000 repeats of ''99 Bottles of Beer'' || 76.3889 days || Each verse of {{w|99 Bottles of Beer}} is "''N'' bottles of beer on the wall, ''N'' bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, ''N-1'' bottles of beer on the wall." The entire song contains 99 verses. Randall apparently sings this rather slowly at around 72 bpm, taking about 13 seconds per verse.
|-
| 75 || Jun 30 || 5 baker's fortnights (15 days) || 75 days || A {{w|baker's dozen}} is a dozen (12) plus 1 extra item. Randall has generalized this to adding 1 to any unit. A fortnight is 2 weeks, so a baker's fortnight is 15 days. 5x15 is 75 days.
|-
| 74 || Jul 1 || √2 dog years || 73.79 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 73 || Jul 2 || π millivics (1/1000th of Queen Victoria's reign) || 72.966631 days || Queen Victoria ruled between 20 June 1837 and 22 January 1901 (23,226 days).
|-
| 72 || Jul 3 || 42 drives from NYC to LA (Google Maps estimate) || 71.75 days || According to Google Maps, the drive from New York City to Los Angeles via I-80 W (2789 miles or 4489 km) takes 41 hours.
|-
| 71 || Jul 4 || 1,000 viewings of ''Groundhog Day''|| 70.14 days|| Using 101-minute run time.
|-
| 70 || Jul 5 || 100,000 minutes || 69.44 days||
|-
| 69 || Jul 6 || 1/10th of Martian year || 68.70 Earth days || Martian sidereal and tropical years both round to 687.0 Earth days
|-
| 68 || Jul 7 || 1,234,567 sound-miles || 67.63 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 67.6349058 days.
|-
| 67 || Jul 8 || 2πe seconds ||5,766,073 seconds = 66.7 days || 2^(π^e)
|-
| 66 || Jul 9 || 216 beats (Swatch Internet Time) || 65.536 days || {{w|.beat}} is equal to 1/1000 day.
|-
| 65 || Jul 10 || 1,000 ISS orbits || 64.58 days || Each orbit of the ISS takes 90-93 minutes. Here a value of 93 minutes is used.
|-
| 64 || Jul 11 || Five hundred twenty five thousand (base seven) minutes|| 62.8833333333333 days || This refers to {{w|radix}}-7 arithmetic: 525,0007 minutes = 90,55210 minutes. Also references the opening and recurring line "Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes" from {{w|Seasons of Love}}, a song from the musical {{w|Rent (musical)|''Rent''}}, which is also referenced in [[1047: Approximations]]. "base seven" also has the same rhythm as "six hundred".
|-
| 63 || Jul 12 || 1050 Planck times || 62.38 days || 10^50 x 5.39 x 10^-44 seconds
|-
| 62 || Jul 13 || 4,000 episodes of ''The Office'' (skipping ads)|| 62.5 days || {{w|The Office (British TV series)|''The Office''}} was originally a {{w|BBC}} television show which had no commercial breaks, but Randall is obviously more familiar with the {{w|The_Office_(American_TV_series)|US version}}. This US "half-hour" comedy format contains 22.5 minutes of content (including the title sequence) and 7.5 minutes of ads. 
|-
| 61 || Jul 14 || four score and seven kilominutes || 60.4166 days || 87 * 1000 minutes
|-
| 60 || Jul 15 || 2 lunar months || 59.06 days || There are a number of different ways to define the {{w|lunar month}}. The most common is the synodic month, because it relates to the phases of the moon, and it's approximately 29.53 days.
|-
| 59 || Jul 16 || half a day on Venus || 58.375 days || A Venus synodic day is 116 days 18 hours.
|-
| 58 || Jul 17 || 5 megaseconds || 57.8704 days || 5,000,000 seconds
|-
| 57 || Jul 18 || 30 microLits (1/1,000,000th of the time since the invention of literature) || 4681~4763 years × 10-6 || Randall is stating that "literature" was invented approximately 2700 BCE. This is consistent with the earliest surviving coherent Sumerian texts, but the earliest proto-writing likely developed at least 500 years earlier according to {{w|History of writing}}.
|-
| 56 || Jul 19 || 1,000 viewings of ''Run Lola Run'' || 55.556 days || Using a run time of 80 minutes.
|-
| 55 || Jul 20 || one million sound-miles || 54.78 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 54.7843137 days.
|-
| 54 || Jul 21 || 30 Ionian months || 53.0741 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is approximately 1.77 days.
|-
| 53 || Jul 22 || one dog year || 52.18 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 52 || Jul 23 || 60 viewings of ''Star Wars Episodes I-IX'' || 51.75 days || According to [https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2021/05/04/how-long-to-watch-every-star-wars-movie/ Fansided] the combined running times are 20 hours 42 minutes.
|-
| 51 || Jul 24 || 1/100,000,000,000th of the universe's age || 50.4035 days || The universe is estimated to be about 13.8 billion years old.
|-
| 50 || Jul 25 || 5 milli-generations || 49.3 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
|-
| 49 || Jul 26 || 10,000 games of ''7 minutes in Heaven'' or 7 games of ''10,000 minutes in Heaven'' || 48.61 days || 10,000 minutes in Heaven is almost a week of making out, so this game is unlikely.
|-
| 48 || Jul 27 || φeπ minutes || 47.6164 days || 68,567.57 minutes
|-
| 47 || Jul 28 || 4 megaseconds || 46.2963 days || 4,000,000 seconds
|-
| 46 || Jul 29 || 216 minutes || 45.5111 days || 65,536 minutes
|-
| 45 || Jul 30 || eee seconds || 44.1467 days || 3,814,279.10 seconds
|-
| 44 || Jul 31 || π fortnights|| 43.98 days || 3.14159 * 14 days
|-
| 43 || Aug 1 || one devil's spacewalk (666 orbits of the ISS) || 43.01 days || See day 65 (Jul 10). 666 is the {{w|number of the beast}}.
|-
| 42 || Aug 2 || 1 kilowatt-hour per watt || 41.66 days || 1000 hours
|-
| 41 || Aug 3 || eπ Ionian months || 40.9390 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is 1.769137786 days
|-
| 40 || Aug 4 || 30 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 39.8357 days || Refer to Day 80 (Jun 25)
|-
| 39 || Aug 5 || e fortnights || 38.0559 days ||2.71828 * 14 days
|-
| 38 || Aug 6 || πe baker's days (25 hours) || 37.98 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 37 || Aug 7 || one deciyear || 36.52425 days || One tenth of one year
|-
| 36 || Aug 8 || 7! milliweeks || 35.28 days || 5040 × 0.001 weeks
|-
| 35 || Aug 9 || 100,000 plays of the ''Jeopardy!'' "Think" music || 34.72 days || ''Think'' is the music played while the contestants try to answer the Final Jeopardy question; it is 30 seconds long.
|-
| 34 || Aug 10 || 1000 basketball games (game time) || 33.33 days || Uses the NBA game time of four 12-minute quarters, or 48 minutes
|-
| 33 || Aug 11 || 777 hours || 32.375 days ||
|-
| 32 || Aug 12 ||one millilincoln (1/1000 of fourscore and seven years) || 31.78 days || {{w|Abraham Lincoln}}'s {{w|Gettysburg Address}} begins with the famous phrase "Four score and seven years ago". 1 score = twenty. 
|-
| 31 || Aug 13 || 1,000 episodes of ''60 Minutes'' (skipping ads) || 31.25 days || Uses a television 'hour' containing 45 minutes of content and 15 minutes of ads
|-
| 30 || Aug 14 || all of ''Star Trek'', consecutively || ||
|-
| 29 || Aug 15 || 777,777 nanocenturies || 28.4077 days || 777,777 × 10-9 × 100 years
|-
| 28 || Aug 16 || one sidereal lunar month || 27.3 days || The time it takes moon to return to the same position relative to the fixed stars
|-
| 27 || Aug 17 || 6 dog months || 26.1 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 26 || Aug 18 || ππ kilominutes || 25.3209 days || 36,462.16 minutes
|-
| 25 || Aug 19 || 7 games of 7! minutes in Heaven || 24.5 days || 7 x 5040 (7 {{w|Factorial}}) minutes. See also day 49 (Jul 26).
|-
| 24 || Aug 20 || 50 viewings of the extended ''Lord of the Rings'' trilogy || ||
|-
| 23 || Aug 21 || a drive from NYC to LA where you keep remembering new things you forgot and have to go back 6 times || 22.21 days || See day 72 (Jul 3). This is for 6 round-trips and 1 one-way trip.
|-
| 22 || Aug 22 || ''It's a Small World'' sung at 1/10,000th speed || 21.18 days || {{w|It's a Small World}} is a song that was composed for the attraction of the same name at various {{w|Disney}} theme parks, and plays continuously at them in various languages.
|-
| 21 || Aug 23 || 500 hours || 20.8333 days ||
|-
| 20 || Aug 24 || √2 fortnights || 19.7990 days || 1.4142 × 14 days
|-
| 19 || Aug 25 || time it would take Vanessa Carlton to walk 1,000 miles || 18.94 days || {{w|Vanessa Carlton}} is an American singer, and {{w|A Thousand Miles}} is her most successful song. Randall estimates her walking speed at about 2.2 miles/hour.
|-
| 18 || Aug 26 || 100,000 breaths || .26 min/breath || Normal respiratory rate for adults is typically 12-20 breaths per minute. Randall may have a health problem or be a practitioner of "slow breathing".
|-
| 17 || Aug 27 || √2 megaseconds || 16.3682 days || 1.4142 × 1,000,000 seconds
|-
| 16 || Aug 28 || πππ πcoseconds || 15.5112 days || 1.3402 × 1018 picoseconds (i.e., 10-12 seconds), making a joke how the mathematical "pi" is written with the character "π"
|-
| 15 || Aug 29 || one baker's fortnight (15 days) || 15 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 14 || Aug 30 || one baker's dozen (13) baker's days (25 hours) || 13.5416 days || 325 hours; see day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 13 || Aug 31 || 300 hours || 12.5 days ||
|-
| 12 || Sep 1 || one million seconds || 11.57 days ||
|-
| 11 || Sep 2 || one nonstop bike ride from NYC to LA || 10.54 days || Google maps estimates the trip at 253 hours
|-
| 10 || Sep 3 || 1⁄1,000th of a generation || 9.86 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
|-
| 9 || Sep 4 || 777,777 seconds || 9.002 days ||
|-
| 8 || Sep 5 || 100 viewings of ''Groundhog Day'' || 7.014 days || Based on a running time of 101 minutes
|-
| 7 || Sep 6 || 100 games of ''Lincoln Kissing'' (Fourscore and seven minutes in Heaven) || 6.04 days || 8,700 minutes
|-
| 6 || Sep 7 || one pico-universe-lifetime || 5.04 days || See Day 51 (Jul 24)
|-
| 5 || Sep 8 || the ''Baby Shark'' chorus for a family of 50,000 sharks || 4.63 days || The chorus lasts about 8 seconds per 'person'
|-
| 4 || Sep 9 || one centiyear || 3.652425 days || 365.24 days * 1/100
|-
| 3 || Sep 10 || Cyndi Lauper's ''Time After Time'' played 1,000 times || 2.79 days || Based on a length of 4 minutes, 1 second
|-
| 2 || Sep 11 || ''Speed'' (1994) played at one frame per second || 1.933 days || {{w|Speed_(1994_film)}} has runtime of 116 minutes = 6,960 seconds = 167,040 film frames at standard frame rate of 24 frames/second
|-
| 1 || Sep 12 || F(99) where F(N) means sing all the verses of ''N Bottles of Beer On the wall'' followed by F(N-1) || 0.7639 days || Each iteration contains ''N'' verses. ''N + N-1 + N-2 ... + 1'' equals ''N * (N+1) / 2'', so 99 recursions = 4950 verses. Using the same 13-second (72 bpm) rate as Jun 29, this is close to 18 hours. Probably refers to Donald Knuth's article {{w|The Complexity of Songs}}.
|-
| 0 || Sep 13 || ''What If? 2'' release day || ||
|}

The title text refers to the recursive time period on Sep 12. If you don't stop when you reach N=0 bottles, the repetition never ends, so that time interval beecomes infinite. He likens it to {{w|The Song That Never Ends}}, another repetitive children's song, which is specifically intended to go on forever. The difference is that the Beer song has a natural stopping point at 0, while ''The Song That Never Ends'' is completely repetitive.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

{{comic discussion}}

2636: What If? 2 Countdown

2022-06-24T00:33:10Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2636
| date = June 22, 2022
| title = What If? 2 Countdown
| image = what_if_2_countdown.png
| titletext = If you don't end the 99 Bottles of Beer recursion at N=0 it just becomes The Other Song That Never Ends.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by FOUR SCORE AND 7 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
This comic takes the idea of {{w|Advent calendar}}s, and takes it to the extreme. It uses rather absurd and/or obscure ways to measure the amount of time until [[Randall]]'s new book ''What if? 2'' is released, with esoteric units or esoteric numbers. And often both.

Some concepts that appear several times throughout the calendar are:

* '''{{w|SI prefixes}}''', which can be applied to the beginning of a unit's name to multiply or divide the unit by powers of 10 or 1,000. This is standard for units like meters and grams, but is rarely applied to measurements of time other than when a unit of less than one second is needed, most commonly in various fields of science and engineering such as physics and electronics.
* The '''{{w|Gettysburg Address}}''', a famous speech delivered by U.S. president Abraham Lincoln in 1863, where he began by referring to the signing of the Declaration of Independence taking place "four score and seven years ago". A score is a dated term for the number 20, so "four score and seven" is equivalent to 87.
* A '''dog year''' is traditionally considered to be one-seventh the length of a normal human year, since a dog's overall lifespan is roughly one-seventh of a typical human's. The comic applies this to other units of time, such as minutes and months, each of which is also one-seventh the length of the standard unit. The number 7 (traditionally a "lucky number") is also used in many of the numbers quoted in the calendar.
* Other comparative durations of time that are not normally or usefully applied to day-length multiples. At the top end, there is the age of the universe, at the other there is {{w|Planck_units#Planck_time|Planck-time}} – with entire durations of periods of human history and the time needed to watch popular TV/film franchises in-between – most of which require a non-trivial multiplier or divisor to bring them to the necessary scale required.
* A '''{{w|baker's dozen}}''' is 13, or one more than a normal dozen. Here, the "baker's" prefix can be applied to any unit by adding an extra one of its constituent parts, like an extra hour added to a day.
* '''{{w|Irrational numbers}}''' like {{w|pi}} (3.14159...), {{w|Euler's number}} or ''e'' (2.71828...), the {{w|golden ratio}} (1.61803...), and the {{w|square root of 2}} (1.41421...). These are all interesting numbers because of their mathematical properties, but very impractical to use as arbitrary measurements of time because they have an endless series of non-repeating decimal digits.
* The teenage dating game '''{{w|Seven minutes in heaven}}'''.
* Rotation and revolution periods of various planets and moons in the Solar System.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Days !! Date !! Units !! Exact value !! Explanation
|-
| 83 || Jun 22 || πe millidecades || 82.0304 days || π =~ 3.14159, e =~ 2.718, so πe is about 22.459. A millidecade is 1/1000 decade, or 1/100 year, or 3.652425 days. Multiplying these results in 82.03 days. This is a play on Euler's identity, eiπ=-1, but raising pi to the power of e instead.
|-
| 82 || Jun 23 || 7 megaseconds || 81.0185 days || 7,000,000 seconds
|-
| 81 || Jun 24 || e lunar months || 80.27247 days || A lunar month =~ 29.53059 days, e =~ 2.718
|-
| 80 || Jun 25 || 60 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 79.67 days || Foucault's pendulum rotates once every 31.8 hours because of the rotation of the Earth and its latitude.
|-
| 79 || Jun 26 || 8 milligenerations || 78.89 days || A generation is in general 22-33 years, with a reasonable mid-point of 27; and 8 * 0.001 (milli) * 365.2425 (accounting for leap years) * 27 =~ 78.89 days
|-
| 78 || Jun 27 || 777,777 dog minutes || 77.16 days || A popular myth is that dogs age 7 times faster than humans, so 1 dog minute equals 1/7 human minutes.
|-
| 77 || Jun 28 || 7! episodes of ''Jeopardy!'' (skipping ads) || 77 days || 7!=7*6*5*4*3*2*1=5040 - The standard episode of ''Jeopardy'' is 22-26 minutes skipping ads - taking the lowest value you get 110880 minutes total, which is the exact value needed.
|-
| 76 || Jun 29 || 5,000 repeats of ''99 Bottles of Beer'' || 76.3889 days || Each verse of {{w|99 Bottles of Beer}} is "''N'' bottles of beer on the wall, ''N'' bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, ''N-1'' bottles of beer on the wall." The entire song contains 99 verses. Randall apparently sings this rather slowly at around 72 bpm, taking about 13 seconds per verse.
|-
| 75 || Jun 30 || 5 baker's fortnights (15 days) || 75 days || A {{w|baker's dozen}} is a dozen (12) plus 1 extra item. Randall has generalized this to adding 1 to any unit. A fortnight is 2 weeks, so a baker's fortnight is 15 days. 5x15 is 75 days.
|-
| 74 || Jul 1 || √2 dog years || 73.79 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 73 || Jul 2 || π millivics (1/1000th of Queen Victoria's reign) || 72.966631 days || Queen Victoria ruled between 20 June 1837 and 22 January 1901 (23,226 days).
|-
| 72 || Jul 3 || 42 drives from NYC to LA (Google Maps estimate) || 71.75 days || According to Google Maps, the drive from New York City to Los Angeles via I-80 W (2789 miles or 4489 km) takes 41 hours.
|-
| 71 || Jul 4 || 1,000 viewings of ''Groundhog Day''|| 70.14 days|| Using 101-minute run time.
|-
| 70 || Jul 5 || 100,000 minutes || 69.44 days||
|-
| 69 || Jul 6 || 1/10th of Martian year || 68.70 Earth days || Martian sidereal and tropical years both round to 687.0 Earth days
|-
| 68 || Jul 7 || 1,234,567 sound-miles || 67.63 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 67.6349058 days.
|-
| 67 || Jul 8 || 2πe seconds ||5,766,073 seconds = 66.7 days || 2^(π^e)
|-
| 66 || Jul 9 || 216 beats (Swatch Internet Time) || 65.536 days || {{w|.beat}} is equal to 1/1000 day.
|-
| 65 || Jul 10 || 1,000 ISS orbits || 64.58 days || Each orbit of the ISS takes 90-93 minutes. Here a value of 93 minutes is used.
|-
| 64 || Jul 11 || Five hundred twenty five thousand (base seven) minutes|| 62.8833333333333 days || This refers to {{w|radix}}-7 arithmetic: 525,0007 minutes = 90,55210 minutes. Also references the opening and recurring line "Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes" from {{w|Seasons of Love}}, a song from the musical {{w|Rent (musical)|''Rent''}}, which is also referenced in [[1047: Approximations]]. "base seven" also has the same rhythm as "six hundred".
|-
| 63 || Jul 12 || 1050 Planck times || 62.38 days || 10^50 x 5.39 x 10^-44 seconds
|-
| 62 || Jul 13 || 4,000 episodes of ''The Office'' (skipping ads)|| 62.5 days || {{w|The Office (British TV series)|''The Office''}} was originally a {{w|BBC}} television show which had no commercial breaks, but Randall is obviously more familiar with the {{w|The_Office_(American_TV_series)|US version}}. This US "half-hour" comedy format contains 22.5 minutes of content (including the title sequence) and 7.5 minutes of ads. 
|-
| 61 || Jul 14 || four score and seven kilominutes || 60.4166 days || 87 * 1000 minutes
|-
| 60 || Jul 15 || 2 lunar months || 59.06 days || There are a number of different ways to define the {{w|lunar month}}. The most common is the synodic month, because it relates to the phases of the moon, and it's approximately 29.53 days.
|-
| 59 || Jul 16 || half a day on Venus || 58.375 days || A Venus synodic day is 116 days 18 hours.
|-
| 58 || Jul 17 || 5 megaseconds || 57.8704 days || 5,000,000 seconds
|-
| 57 || Jul 18 || 30 microLits (1/1,000,000th of the time since the invention of literature) || 4681~4763 years × 10-6 || Randall is stating that "literature" was invented approximately 2700 BCE. This is consistent with the earliest surviving coherent Sumerian texts, but the earliest proto-writing likely developed at least 500 years earlier according to {{w|History of writing}}.
|-
| 56 || Jul 19 || 1,000 viewings of ''Run Lola Run'' || 55.556 days || Using a run time of 80 minutes.
|-
| 55 || Jul 20 || one million sound-miles || 54.78 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 54.7843137 days.
|-
| 54 || Jul 21 || 30 Ionian months || 53.0741 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is approximately 1.77 days.
|-
| 53 || Jul 22 || one dog year || 52.18 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 52 || Jul 23 || 60 viewings of ''Star Wars Episodes I-IX'' || 51.75 days || According to [https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2021/05/04/how-long-to-watch-every-star-wars-movie/ Fansided] the combined running times are 20 hours 42 minutes.
|-
| 51 || Jul 24 || 1/100,000,000,000th of the universe's age || 50.4035 days || The universe is estimated to be about 13.8 billion years old.
|-
| 50 || Jul 25 || 5 milli-generations || 49.3 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
|-
| 49 || Jul 26 || 10,000 games of ''7 minutes in Heaven'' or 7 games of ''10,000 minutes in Heaven'' || 48.61 days || 10,000 minutes in Heaven is almost a week of making out, so this game is unlikely.
|-
| 48 || Jul 27 || φeπ minutes || 47.6164 days || 68,567.57 minutes
|-
| 47 || Jul 28 || 4 megaseconds || 46.2963 days || 4,000,000 seconds
|-
| 46 || Jul 29 || 216 minutes || 45.5111 days || 65,536 minutes
|-
| 45 || Jul 30 || eee seconds || 44.1467 days || 3,814,279.10 seconds
|-
| 44 || Jul 31 || π fortnights|| 43.98 days || 3.14159 * 14 days
|-
| 43 || Aug 1 || one devil's spacewalk (666 orbits of the ISS) || 43.01 days || See day 65 (Jul 10). 666 is the {{w|number of the beast}}.
|-
| 42 || Aug 2 || 1 kilowatt-hour per watt || 41.66 days || 1000 hours
|-
| 41 || Aug 3 || eπ Ionian months || 40.9390 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is 1.769137786 days
|-
| 40 || Aug 4 || 30 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 39.8357 days || Refer to Day 80 (Jun 25)
|-
| 39 || Aug 5 || e fortnights || 38.0559 days ||2.71828 * 14 days
|-
| 38 || Aug 6 || πe baker's days (25 hours) || 37.98 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 37 || Aug 7 || one deciyear || 36.52425 days || One tenth of one year
|-
| 36 || Aug 8 || 7! milliweeks || 35.28 days || 5040 × 0.001 weeks
|-
| 35 || Aug 9 || 100,000 plays of the ''Jeopardy!'' "Think" music || 34.72 days || ''Think'' is the music played while the contestants try to answer the Final Jeopardy question; it is 30 seconds long.
|-
| 34 || Aug 10 || 1000 basketball games (game time) || 33.33 days || Uses the NBA game time of four 12-minute quarters, or 48 minutes
|-
| 33 || Aug 11 || 777 hours || 32.375 days ||
|-
| 32 || Aug 12 ||one millilincoln (1/1000 of fourscore and seven years) || 31.78 days || {{w|Abraham Lincoln}}'s {{w|Gettysburg Address}} begins with the famous phrase "Four score and seven years ago". 1 score = twenty. 
|-
| 31 || Aug 13 || 1,000 episodes of ''60 Minutes'' (skipping ads) || 31.25 days || Uses a television 'hour' containing 45 minutes of content and 15 minutes of ads
|-
| 30 || Aug 14 || all of ''Star Trek'', consecutively || ||
|-
| 29 || Aug 15 || 777,777 nanocenturies || 28.4077 days || 777,777 × 10-9 × 100 years
|-
| 28 || Aug 16 || one sidereal lunar month || 27.3 days || The time it takes moon to return to the same position relative to the fixed stars
|-
| 27 || Aug 17 || 6 dog months || 26.1 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 26 || Aug 18 || ππ kilominutes || 25.3209 days || 36,462.16 minutes
|-
| 25 || Aug 19 || 7 games of 7! minutes in Heaven || 24.5 days || 7 x 5040 (7 {{w|Factorial}}) minutes. See also day 49 (Jul 26).
|-
| 24 || Aug 20 || 50 viewings of the extended ''Lord of the Rings'' trilogy || ||
|-
| 23 || Aug 21 || a drive from NYC to LA where you keep remembering new things you forgot and have to go back 6 times || 22.21 days || See day 72 (Jul 3). This is for 6 round-trips and 1 one-way trip.
|-
| 22 || Aug 22 || ''It's a Small World'' sung at 1/10,000th speed || 21.18 days || {{w|It's a Small World}} is a song that was composed for the attraction of the same name at various {{w|Disney}} theme parks, and plays continuously at them in various languages.
|-
| 21 || Aug 23 || 500 hours || 20.8333 days ||
|-
| 20 || Aug 24 || √2 fortnights || 19.7990 days || 1.4142 × 14 days
|-
| 19 || Aug 25 || time it would take Vanessa Carlton to walk 1,000 miles || 18.94 days || {{w|Vanessa Carlton}} is an American singer, and {{w|A Thousand Miles}} is her most successful song. Randall estimates her walking speed at about 2.2 miles/hour.
|-
| 18 || Aug 26 || 100,000 breaths || .26 min/breath || Normal respiratory rate for adults is typically 12-20 breaths per minute. Randall may have a health problem or be a practitioner of "slow breathing".
|-
| 17 || Aug 27 || √2 megaseconds || 16.3682 days || 1.4142 × 1,000,000 seconds
|-
| 16 || Aug 28 || πππ πcoseconds || 15.5112 days || 1.3402 × 1018 picoseconds (i.e., 10-12 seconds), making a joke how the mathematical "pi" is written with the character "π"
|-
| 15 || Aug 29 || one baker's fortnight (15 days) || 15 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 14 || Aug 30 || one baker's dozen (13) baker's days (25 hours) || 13.5416 days || 325 hours; see day 75 (Jun 30)
|-
| 13 || Aug 31 || 300 hours || 12.5 days ||
|-
| 12 || Sep 1 || one million seconds || 11.57 days ||
|-
| 11 || Sep 2 || one nonstop bike ride from NYC to LA || 10.54 days || Google maps estimates the trip at 253 hours
|-
| 10 || Sep 3 || 1&8260;1,000th of a generation || 9.86 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
|-
| 9 || Sep 4 || 777,777 seconds || 9.002 days ||
|-
| 8 || Sep 5 || 100 viewings of ''Groundhog Day'' || 7.014 days || Based on a running time of 101 minutes
|-
| 7 || Sep 6 || 100 games of ''Lincoln Kissing'' (Fourscore and seven minutes in Heaven) || 6.04 days || 8,700 minutes
|-
| 6 || Sep 7 || one pico-universe-lifetime || 5.04 days || See Day 51 (Jul 24)
|-
| 5 || Sep 8 || the ''Baby Shark'' chorus for a family of 50,000 sharks || 4.63 days || The chorus lasts about 8 seconds per 'person'
|-
| 4 || Sep 9 || one centiyear || 3.652425 days || 365.24 days * 1/100
|-
| 3 || Sep 10 || Cyndi Lauper's ''Time After Time'' played 1,000 times || 2.79 days || Based on a length of 4 minutes, 1 second
|-
| 2 || Sep 11 || ''Speed'' (1994) played at one frame per second || 1.933 days || {{w|Speed_(1994_film)}} has runtime of 116 minutes = 6,960 seconds = 167,040 film frames at standard frame rate of 24 frames/second
|-
| 1 || Sep 12 || F(99) where F(N) means sing all the verses of ''N Bottles of Beer On the wall'' followed by F(N-1) || 0.7639 days || Each iteration contains ''N'' verses. ''N + N-1 + N-2 ... + 1'' equals ''N * (N+1) / 2'', so 99 recursions = 4950 verses. Using the same 13-second (72 bpm) rate as Jun 29, this is close to 18 hours. Probably refers to Donald Knuth's article {{w|The Complexity of Songs}}.
|-
| 0 || Sep 13 || ''What If? 2'' release day || ||
|}

The title text refers to the recursive time period on Sep 12. If you don't stop when you reach N=0 bottles, the repetition never ends, so that time interval beecomes infinite. He likens it to {{w|The Song That Never Ends}}, another repetitive children's song, which is specifically intended to go on forever. The difference is that the Beer song has a natural stopping point at 0, while ''The Song That Never Ends'' is completely repetitive.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

{{comic discussion}}

2636: What If? 2 Countdown

2022-06-24T00:30:00Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2636
| date = June 22, 2022
| title = What If? 2 Countdown
| image = what_if_2_countdown.png
| titletext = If you don't end the 99 Bottles of Beer recursion at N=0 it just becomes The Other Song That Never Ends.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by FOUR SCORE AND 7 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL - Please change this comment when editing this page. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
This comic takes the idea of {{w|Advent calendar}}s, and takes it to the extreme. It uses rather absurd and/or obscure ways to measure the amount of time until [[Randall]]'s new book ''What if? 2'' is released, with esoteric units or esoteric numbers. And often both.

Some concepts that appear several times throughout the calendar are:

* '''{{w|SI prefixes}}''', which can be applied to the beginning of a unit's name to multiply or divide the unit by powers of 10 or 1,000. This is standard for units like meters and grams, but is rarely applied to measurements of time other than when a unit of less than one second is needed, most commonly in various fields of science and engineering such as physics and electronics.
* The '''{{w|Gettysburg Address}}''', a famous speech delivered by U.S. president Abraham Lincoln in 1863, where he began by referring to the signing of the Declaration of Independence taking place "four score and seven years ago". A score is a dated term for the number 20, so "four score and seven" is equivalent to 87.
* A '''dog year''' is traditionally considered to be one-seventh the length of a normal human year, since a dog's overall lifespan is roughly one-seventh of a typical human's. The comic applies this to other units of time, such as minutes and months, each of which is also one-seventh the length of the standard unit. The number 7 (traditionally a "lucky number") is also used in many of the numbers quoted in the calendar.
* Other comparative durations of time that are not normally or usefully applied to day-length multiples. At the top end, there is the age of the universe, at the other there is {{w|Planck_units#Planck_time|Planck-time}} – with entire durations of periods of human history and the time needed to watch popular TV/film franchises in-between – most of which require a non-trivial multiplier or divisor to bring them to the necessary scale required.
* A '''{{w|baker's dozen}}''' is 13, or one more than a normal dozen. Here, the "baker's" prefix can be applied to any unit by adding an extra one of its constituent parts, like an extra hour added to a day.
* '''{{w|Irrational numbers}}''' like {{w|pi}} (3.14159...), {{w|Euler's number}} or ''e'' (2.71828...), the {{w|golden ratio}} (1.61803...), and the {{w|square root of 2}} (1.41421...). These are all interesting numbers because of their mathematical properties, but very impractical to use as arbitrary measurements of time because they have an endless series of non-repeating decimal digits.
* The teenage dating game '''{{w|Seven minutes in heaven}}'''.
* Rotation and revolution periods of various planets and moons in the Solar System.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Days !! Date !! Units !! Exact value !! Explanation
|-
| 83 || Jun 22 || πe millidecades || 82.0304 days || π =~ 3.14159, e =~ 2.718, so πe is about 22.459. A millidecade is 1/1000 decade, or 1/100 year, or 3.652425 days. Multiplying these results in 82.03 days. This is a play on Euler's identity, eiπ=-1, but raising pi to the power of e instead.
|-
| 82 || Jun 23 || 7 megaseconds || 81.0185 days || 7,000,000 seconds
|-
| 81 || Jun 24 || e lunar months || 80.27247 days || A lunar month =~ 29.53059 days, e =~ 2.718
|-
| 80 || Jun 25 || 60 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 79.67 days || Foucault's pendulum rotates once every 31.8 hours because of the rotation of the Earth and its latitude.
|-
| 79 || Jun 26 || 8 milligenerations || 78.89 days || A generation is in general 22-33 years, with a reasonable mid-point of 27; and 8 * 0.001 (milli) * 365.2425 (accounting for leap years) * 27 =~ 78.89 days
|-
| 78 || Jun 27 || 777,777 dog minutes || 77.16 days || A popular myth is that dogs age 7 times faster than humans, so 1 dog minute equals 1/7 human minutes.
|-
| 77 || Jun 28 || 7! episodes of ''Jeopardy!'' (skipping ads) || 77 days || 7!=7*6*5*4*3*2*1=5040 - The standard episode of ''Jeopardy'' is 22-26 minutes skipping ads - taking the lowest value you get 110880 minutes total, which is the exact value needed.
|-
| 76 || Jun 29 || 5,000 repeats of ''99 Bottles of Beer'' || 76.3889 days || Each verse of {{w|99 Bottles of Beer}} is "''N'' bottles of beer on the wall, ''N'' bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, ''N-1'' bottles of beer on the wall." The entire song contains 99 verses. Randall apparently sings this rather slowly at around 72 bpm, taking about 13 seconds per verse.
|-
| 75 || Jun 30 || 5 baker's fortnights (15 days) || 75 days || A {{w|baker's dozen}} is a dozen (12) plus 1 extra item. Randall has generalized this to adding 1 to any unit. A fortnight is 2 weeks, so a baker's fortnight is 15 days. 5x15 is 75 days.
|-
| 74 || Jul 1 || √2 dog years || 73.79 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
|-
| 73 || Jul 2 || π millivics (1/1000th of Queen Victoria's reign) || 72.966631 days || Queen Victoria ruled between 20 June 1837 and 22 January 1901 (23,226 days).
|-
| 72 || Jul 3 || 42 drives from NYC to LA (Google Maps estimate) || 71.75 days || According to Google Maps, the drive from New York City to Los Angeles via I-80 W (2789 miles or 4489 km) takes 41 hours.
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| 71 || Jul 4 || 1,000 viewings of ''Groundhog Day''|| 70.14 days|| Using 101-minute run time.
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| 70 || Jul 5 || 100,000 minutes || 69.44 days||
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| 69 || Jul 6 || 1/10th of Martian year || 68.70 Earth days || Martian sidereal and tropical years both round to 687.0 Earth days
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| 68 || Jul 7 || 1,234,567 sound-miles || 67.63 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 67.6349058 days.
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| 67 || Jul 8 || 2πe seconds ||5,766,073 seconds = 66.7 days || 2^(π^e)
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| 66 || Jul 9 || 216 beats (Swatch Internet Time) || 65.536 days || {{w|.beat}} is equal to 1/1000 day.
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| 65 || Jul 10 || 1,000 ISS orbits || 64.58 days || Each orbit of the ISS takes 90-93 minutes. Here a value of 93 minutes is used.
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| 64 || Jul 11 || Five hundred twenty five thousand (base seven) minutes|| 62.8833333333333 days || This refers to {{w|radix}}-7 arithmetic: 525,0007 minutes = 90,55210 minutes. Also references the opening and recurring line "Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes" from {{w|Seasons of Love}}, a song from the musical {{w|Rent (musical)|''Rent''}}, which is also referenced in [[1047: Approximations]]. "base seven" also has the same rhythm as "six hundred".
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| 63 || Jul 12 || 1050 Planck times || 62.38 days || 10^50 x 5.39 x 10^-44 seconds
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| 62 || Jul 13 || 4,000 episodes of ''The Office'' (skipping ads)|| 62.5 days || {{w|The Office (British TV series)|''The Office''}} was originally a {{w|BBC}} television show which had no commercial breaks, but Randall is obviously more familiar with the {{w|The_Office_(American_TV_series)|US version}}. This US "half-hour" comedy format contains 22.5 minutes of content (including the title sequence) and 7.5 minutes of ads. 
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| 61 || Jul 14 || four score and seven kilominutes || 60.4166 days || 87 * 1000 minutes
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| 60 || Jul 15 || 2 lunar months || 59.06 days || There are a number of different ways to define the {{w|lunar month}}. The most common is the synodic month, because it relates to the phases of the moon, and it's approximately 29.53 days.
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| 59 || Jul 16 || half a day on Venus || 58.375 days || A Venus synodic day is 116 days 18 hours.
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| 58 || Jul 17 || 5 megaseconds || 57.8704 days || 5,000,000 seconds
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| 57 || Jul 18 || 30 microLits (1/1,000,000th of the time since the invention of literature) || 4681-4763 years x 10^-6 || Randall is stating that "literature" was invented approximately 2700 BCE. This is consistent with the earliest surviving coherent Sumerian texts, but the earliest proto-writing likely developed at least 500 years earlier according to {{w|History of writing}}.
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| 56 || Jul 19 || 1,000 viewings of ''Run Lola Run'' || 55.556 days || Using a run time of 80 minutes.
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| 55 || Jul 20 || one million sound-miles || 54.78 days || The speed of sound in air depends on the temperature. 15 °C or 59 °F gives the value 340 m/s and the travel time of 54.7843137 days.
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| 54 || Jul 21 || 30 Ionian months || 53.0741 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is approximately 1.77 days.
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| 53 || Jul 22 || one dog year || 52.18 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
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| 52 || Jul 23 || 60 viewings of ''Star Wars Episodes I-IX'' || 51.75 days || According to [https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2021/05/04/how-long-to-watch-every-star-wars-movie/ Fansided] the combined running times are 20 hours 42 minutes.
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| 51 || Jul 24 || 1/ 100,000,000,000th of the universe's age || 50.4035 days || The universe is estimated to be about 13.8 billion years old.
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| 50 || Jul 25 || 5 milli-generations || 49.3 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
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| 49 || Jul 26 || 10,000 games of ''7 minutes in Heaven'' or 7 games of ''10,000 minutes in Heaven'' || 48.61 days || 10,000 minutes in Heaven is almost a week of making out, so this game is unlikely.
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| 48 || Jul 27 || φeπ minutes || 47.6164 days || 68,567.57 minutes
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| 47 || Jul 28 || 4 megaseconds || 46.2963 days || 4,000,000 seconds
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| 46 || Jul 29 || 216 minutes || 45.5111 days || 65,536 minutes
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| 45 || Jul 30 || eee seconds || 44.1467 days || 3,814,279.10 seconds
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| 44 || Jul 31 || π fortnights|| 43.98 days || 3.14159 * 14 days
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| 43 || Aug 1 || one devil's spacewalk (666 orbits of the ISS) || 43.01 days || See day 65 (Jul 10). 666 is the {{w|number of the beast}}.
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| 42 || Aug 2 || 1 kilowatt-hour per watt || 41.66 days || 1000 hours
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| 41 || Aug 3 || eπ Ionian months || 40.9390 days || Orbital period of Io around Jupiter is 1.769137786 days
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| 40 || Aug 4 || 30 rotations of Foucault's pendulum in Paris || 39.8357 days || Refer to Day 80 (Jun 25)
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| 39 || Aug 5 || e fortnights || 38.0559 days ||2.71828 * 14 days
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| 38 || Aug 6 || πe baker's days (25 hours) || 37.98 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
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| 37 || Aug 7 || one deciyear || 36.52425 days || One tenth of one year
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| 36 || Aug 8 || 7! milliweeks || 35.28 days || 5040 × 0.001 weeks
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| 35 || Aug 9 || 100,000 plays of the ''Jeopardy!'' "Think" music || 34.72 days || ''Think'' is the music played while the contestants try to answer the Final Jeopardy question; it is 30 seconds long.
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| 34 || Aug 10 || 1000 basketball games (game time) || 33.33 days || Uses the NBA game time of four 12-minute quarters, or 48 minutes
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| 33 || Aug 11 || 777 hours || 32.375 days ||
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| 32 || Aug 12 ||one millilincoln (1/1000 of fourscore and seven years) || 31.78 days || {{w|Abraham Lincoln}}'s {{w|Gettysburg Address}} begins with the famous phrase "Four score and seven years ago". 1 score = twenty. 
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| 31 || Aug 13 || 1,000 episodes of ''60 Minutes'' (skipping ads) || 31.25 days || Uses a television 'hour' containing 45 minutes of content and 15 minutes of ads
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| 30 || Aug 14 || all of ''Star Trek'', consecutively || ||
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| 29 || Aug 15 || 777,777 nanocenturies || 28.4077 days || 777,777 × 10-9 × 100 years
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| 28 || Aug 16 || one sidereal lunar month || 27.3 days || The time it takes moon to return to the same position relative to the fixed stars
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| 27 || Aug 17 || 6 dog months || 26.1 days || See day 78 (Jun 27)
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| 26 || Aug 18 || ππ kilominutes || 25.3209 days || 36,462.16 minutes
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| 25 || Aug 19 || 7 games of 7! minutes in Heaven || 24.5 days || 7 x 5040 (7 {{w|Factorial}}) minutes. See also day 49 (Jul 26).
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| 24 || Aug 20 || 50 viewings of the extended ''Lord of the Rings'' trilogy || ||
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| 23 || Aug 21 || a drive from NYC to LA where you keep remembering new things you forgot and have to go back 6 times || 22.21 days || See day 72 (Jul 3). This is for 6 round-trips and 1 one-way trip.
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| 22 || Aug 22 || ''It's a Small World'' sung at 1/10,000th speed || 21.18 days || {{w|It's a Small World}} is a song that was composed for the attraction of the same name at various {{w|Disney}} theme parks, and plays continuously at them in various languages.
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| 21 || Aug 23 || 500 hours || 20.8333 days ||
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| 20 || Aug 24 || √2 fortnights || 19.7990 days || 1.4142 × 14 days
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| 19 || Aug 25 || time it would take Vanessa Carlton to walk 1,000 miles || 18.94 days || {{w|Vanessa Carlton}} is an American singer, and {{w|A Thousand Miles}} is her most successful song. Randall estimates her walking speed at about 2.2 miles/hour.
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| 18 || Aug 26 || 100,000 breaths || .26 min/breath || Normal respiratory rate for adults is typically 12-20 breaths per minute. Randall may have a health problem or be a practitioner of "slow breathing".
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| 17 || Aug 27 || √2 megaseconds || 16.3682 days || 1.4142 × 1,000,000 seconds
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| 16 || Aug 28 || πππ πcoseconds || 15.5112 days || 1.3402 × 1018 picoseconds (i.e., 10-12 seconds), making a joke how the mathematical "pi" is written with the character "π"
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| 15 || Aug 29 || one baker's fortnight (15 days) || 15 days || See day 75 (Jun 30)
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| 14 || Aug 30 || one baker's dozen (13) baker's days (25 hours) || 13.5416 days || 325 hours; see day 75 (Jun 30)
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| 13 || Aug 31 || 300 hours || 12.5 days ||
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| 12 || Sep 1 || one million seconds || 11.57 days ||
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| 11 || Sep 2 || one nonstop bike ride from NYC to LA || 10.54 days || Google maps estimates the trip at 253 hours
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| 10 || Sep 3 || 1&8260;1,000th of a generation || 9.86 days || See day 79 (Jun 26)
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| 9 || Sep 4 || 777,777 seconds || 9.002 days ||
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| 8 || Sep 5 || 100 viewings of ''Groundhog Day'' || 7.014 days || Based on a running time of 101 minutes
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| 7 || Sep 6 || 100 games of ''Lincoln Kissing'' (Fourscore and seven minutes in Heaven) || 6.04 days || 8,700 minutes
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| 6 || Sep 7 || one pico-universe-lifetime || 5.04 days || See Day 51 (Jul 24)
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| 5 || Sep 8 || the ''Baby Shark'' chorus for a family of 50,000 sharks || 4.63 days || The chorus lasts about 8 seconds per 'person'
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| 4 || Sep 9 || one centiyear || 3.652425 days || 365.24 days * 1/100
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| 3 || Sep 10 || Cyndi Lauper's ''Time After Time'' played 1,000 times || 2.79 days || Based on a length of 4 minutes, 1 second
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| 2 || Sep 11 || ''Speed'' (1994) played at one frame per second || 1.933 days || {{w|Speed_(1994_film)}} has runtime of 116 minutes = 6,960 seconds = 167,040 film frames at standard frame rate of 24 frames/second
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| 1 || Sep 12 || F(99) where F(N) means sing all the verses of ''N Bottles of Beer On the wall'' followed by F(N-1) || 0.7639 days || Each iteration contains ''N'' verses. ''N + N-1 + N-2 ... + 1'' equals ''N * (N+1) / 2'', so 99 recursions = 4950 verses. Using the same 13-second (72 bpm) rate as Jun 29, this is close to 18 hours. Probably refers to Donald Knuth's article {{w|The Complexity of Songs}}.
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| 0 || Sep 13 || ''What If? 2'' release day || ||
|}

The title text refers to the recursive time period on Sep 12. If you don't stop when you reach N=0 bottles, the repetition never ends, so that time interval beecomes infinite. He likens it to {{w|The Song That Never Ends}}, another repetitive children's song, which is specifically intended to go on forever. The difference is that the Beer song has a natural stopping point at 0, while ''The Song That Never Ends'' is completely repetitive.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

{{comic discussion}}

2585: Rounding

2022-05-10T01:51:27Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Table of rounding */

{{comic
| number = 2585
| date = February 23, 2022
| title = Rounding
| image = rounding.png
| titletext = I've developed a novel propulsion system powered by loss of precision in unit conversion.
}}

==Explanation==
This comic is about the follies of unit conversion. Normally, when you say you can ride a bike at 45 {{w|Miles per hour|mph}} if you round, you mean that you can ride at a speed between 44.5 and 45.5, something most people are incapable of doing.{{Citation needed}} The joke is that Cueball actually means if you go through a extremely long chain of rounding imprecisely (see [[#Table of rounding|below]]), starting at 17 mph (which is equivalent to 27.4 km/h and not an improbable speed for an ordinary road-bike and a reasonably fit rider), you can get to the value of 45 (72.4 km/h).

Randall also esoterically uses some more historic units here: fathoms/sec, furlongs/min, and furlongs/hr. A {{w|fathom}} is a unit of length, in the modern era being equivalent to six feet, usually used to measure the depth of water. Fathoms/sec could potentially be used to measure the ascent/descent speed of a submersible, but it would normally be a strange choice to enumerate the speed of a bike. A {{w|furlong}} is also a unit of length, equivalent to one eighth of a mile (or 660 feet or 110 fathoms) but is mostly unused except in horse racing. It is possible that furlongs/min or furlongs/hour could be used to measure the speed of a horse. {{w|Knot (unit)|Knot}}s (nautical miles per hour) are a standard unit of measuring speed, but are typically used for measuring speed for airplanes or ships, not speed on land. However, km/h (kilometers per hour, spelled kph in the comic) is commonly used internationally to state the speed of land vehicles, while m/s (meters per second) is a measurement encountered in scientific usage.

The title text furthers the joke by taking the imprecise rounding literally, implying that this increase could actually be used/abused as a novel form of propulsion, but it isn't clarified for what type of vehicle. It could be an engine for ground or air travel, but contains the implication that it is trying to 'trick physics' similar to the {{w|Alcubierre drive|theoretical 'warp drive'}} conceived to propel interstellar spacecraft at otherwise impossible speeds. One interpretation of the supposed chain of conversions is that it has somehow created a great deal of energy from nothing. Suppose there existed a device or system that could magically accelerate an object from 17 mph to 45 mph without any energy input. The sped-up object could be harnessed to a generator or engine in such a way that the object was slowed back down to 17 mph, with the difference in energy being output in a useful way, and the object fed back into the device. The result would be an engine that could create both free energy and non-conserved changes in momentum.

At the demonstrated rate of about 4% medium rounding gain, it would just take 73 more steps of rounding-acceleration to reach supersonic speed from the starting speed of 45 mph. If the speed of light could be approached without relativistic effects, another 349 steps would go from supersonic speed to the speed of light. (More efficient approaches may exist.)

===Table of rounding===
{| class="wikitable"
! step !! percentage gain from rounding !! mph !! {{w|Metre per second|m/s}} !! {{w|Knot (unit)|knots}} !! {{w|fathom}}s/sec !! {{w|furlong}}s/min !! {{w|Kilometres per hour|km/h}} !! furlongs/hour !! {{w|yard}}s/sec
|-
! 1
| N/A ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 17 ||style="background-color:green;"| 7.599680 || 14.77260 || 4.15555 || 2.26666 || 27.35885 || 136|| 8.31111
|-
! 2
| +5.27% || 17.89549 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 8 ||style="background-color:green;"| 15.55076 || 4.37445 || 2.38607 || 28.8 || 143.16392 || 8.74891
|-
! 3
| +2.89% || 18.41247 || 8.231111 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 16 ||style="background-color:green;"| 4.50083 || 2.45500 || 29.63200 || 147.29977 || 9.00165
|-
! 4
| +11.09% || 20.45454|| 9.144000 || 17.77451 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 5 ||style="background-color:green;"| 2.72727|| 32.91840 || 163.63636 || 10
|-
! 5
| +10.00% || 22.5 || 10.05840 || 19.55197 ||style="background-color:green;"| 5.50000 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 3 || 36.21024 || 180|| 11
|-
! 6
| +9.09% || 24.54545 || 10.97280|| 21.32942||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 6 || 3.27272||style="background-color:green;"| 39.50208 || 196.36363|| 12
|-
! 7
| +1.26% || 24.85485 || 11.11111||style="background-color:green;"| 21.59827 || 6.07563|| 3.31398||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 40 || 198.83878|| 12.15126
|-
! 8
| +1.86% || 25.31715 || 11.31778||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 22 || 6.18864|| 3.37562||style="background-color:green;"| 40.74400 || 202.53718|| 12.37727
|-
! 9
| +0.63% || 25.47622 || 11.38888|| 22.13823|| 6.22752|| 3.39683||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 41 ||style="background-color:green;"| 203.80975 || 12.45504
|-
! 10
| +0.09% ||style="background-color:green;"| 25.50000 || 11.39952|| 22.15889 || 6.23333 || 3.40000 || 41.03827 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 204 || 12.46666
|-
! 11
| +1.96% ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 26 ||style="background-color:green;"| 11.62304 || 22.59338 || 6.35555 || 3.46666 || 41.84294 || 208 || 12.71111
|-
! 12
| +3.24% || 26.84324||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 12 || 23.32617|| 6.56168||style="background-color:green;"| 3.57910 || 43.20000 || 214.74588 || 13.12336
|-
! 13
| +11.76% || 30|| 13.41120|| 26.06929|| 7.33333 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 4 || 48.28038|| 240||style="background-color:green;"| 14.66666
|-
! 14
| +2.27% || 30.68182|| 13.71600|| 26.66177||style="background-color:green;"| 7.5 || 4.09090|| 49.37760|| 245.45454||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 15
|-
! 15
| +6.67% || 32.72727||style="background-color:green;"| 14.63040 || 28.43922||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 8 || 4.36363|| 52.66944 || 261.81818 || 16
|-
! 16
| +2.53% ||style="background-color:green;"| 33.55404 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 15 || 29.15767 || 8.20210 || 4.47387 || 54|| 268.43236 || 16.40420
|-
! 17
| +1.33% ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 34 || 15.19936 || 29.54519 || 8.31111||style="background-color:green;"| 4.53333 || 54.71770 || 272|| 16.62222
|-
! 18
| +10.29% || 37.50000|| 16.76400||style="background-color:green;"| 32.58661 || 9.16666||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 5 || 60.35040|| 300|| 18.33333
|-
! 19
| +1.27% || 37.97572|| 16.97666||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 33 || 9.28295|| 5.06343|| 61.11603|| 303.80577||style="background-color:green;"| 18.56591
|-
! 20
| +2.34% || 38.86364|| 17.37360|| 33.77158||style="background-color:green;"| 9.5 || 5.18181|| 62.54496|| 310.90909||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 19
|-
! 21
| +5.26% || 40.90909|| 18.28800||style="background-color:green;"| 35.54903 ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 10 || 5.45455|| 65.83680|| 327.27272|| 20
|-
! 22
| +1.27% || 41.42806|| 18.52000||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 36 || 10.12686||style="background-color:green;"| 5.52374 || 66.67200|| 331.42448|| 20.25372
|-
! 23
| +8.62% ||style="background-color:green;"| 45 || 20.11680 || 39.10393 || 11||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 6 || 72.42048 || 360|| 22
|-
! 24
| +0.00% ||style="background-color:lightgreen;"| 45 || 20.11680|| 39.10393|| 11|| 6|| 72.42048|| 360|| 22
|}

==Transcript==
:[In the top left part of the panel is a small drawing where Cueball, wearing a bike helmet and holding a bike, is speaking to Megan.]
:Cueball: I can ride my bike at 45 MPH.
:Cueball: If you round.

:[To their right is a large number with unit, with an arrow going straight down to a normal sized similar number. From there and proceeding all the way down to the bottom, in alternating leftward and rightward rows, the rest of the comic shows arrows connecting conversions from one measured unit into another unit. Straight arrows show the direction of the sequence on each line, the end of each line curveing down to start the next line in the opposite direction. The last of these lines ends close to the middle of the panel, with a straight arrow down to another large number with unit, like the first.]
:<big>'''17 MPH'''</big>
:8 meters/sec
:16 knots
:5 fathoms/sec
:3 furlongs/min
:6 fathoms/sec
:40 KPH
:22 knots
:41 KPH
:204 furlongs/hr
:26 MPH
:12 M/S
:4 furlongs/min
:15 yards/sec
:8 fathoms/sec
:15 M/S
:34 MPH
:5 furlongs/min
:33 knots
:19 yards/sec
:10 fathoms/sec
:36 knots
:6 furlongs/min
:<big>'''45 MPH'''</big>

{{comic discussion}}

[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Megan]]
[[Category:Math]]

1537: Types

2022-05-09T21:51:07Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 1537
| date = June 12, 2015
| title = Types
| image = types.png
| titletext = colors.rgb("blue") yields "#0000FF". colors.rgb("yellowish blue") yields NaN. colors.sort() yields "rainbow"
}}

==Explanation==
This comic is a series of programming jokes about a ridiculous new programming language, perhaps inspired by {{w|Mathematica}} and {{w|Wolfram Language}} — the latter was used by [[Randall]] many times before. Maybe it's also inspired by [https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat Gary Bernhardt's CodeMash 2012 lightning talk] on JavaScript's unpredictable typing. In the talk, the highly technical audience was unable to correctly guess the results of adding various JavaScript types and roared with laughter when they were revealed. The programming language shown in this comic has types even more unpredictable than JavaScript.

Most regular programming languages distinguish types, e.g. integers, strings, lists… all of which have different behaviours. But for instance, the operation "+" is usually conventionally defined over more than one of these types. Applied to two integers, it returns their sum. Applied to two strings (denoted by being enclosed in quotes) it concatenates them:

<pre>> 2 + 3
5

> "123" + "abc"
"123abc"</pre>

While these behaviours are standard, conventional, and intuitive, there is a huge amount of variation among programming languages when you apply an operation like "+" to different types. One logical approach is to always return an error in all cases of type mixing, but it is often practical to allow some case mixing, since it can hugely simplify expressions. Variation and lack of a clearly more intuitive behaviour leads some languages to have weird results when you mix types.

Weird results abound in the new XKCD programming language:
# <code>2 + "2"</code> uses the <code>+</code> operator on a number and a string. In some programming languages, this might result in the number <code>4</code> in math addition, or <code>"22"</code> in string concatenation; however, the new language converts the string to an integer, adds them to produce <code>4</code> and converts back to a string. Alternatively, it may instead be adding 2 to the ASCII value of the character <code>"2"</code> (50), resulting in the character <code>"4"</code> (52). This is (somewhat) consistent with the behavior for item 4.
# <code>"2" + []</code> adds a string to an array or list. This first inexplicably converts the string to a number again, and then it literally adds the number to the list by prepending it. And then the result (the entire array) is converted to a string again.
# <code>(2/0)</code> divides <code>2</code> by <code>0</code> and quite reasonably results in <code>NaN</code>, meaning "Not a Number", though in most languages, as prescribed by the IEEE 754 standard for floating point numbers, dividing a nonzero number by zero would instead return an infinity value.
# <code>(2/0)+2</code> adds <code>2</code> to <code>NaN</code>. <code>2</code> Is "added" to the string <code>"NaN"</code> as again, the number is converted to a string for apparently no reason, which produces <code>"NaP"</code>. If the language's convention is to add to the ASCII value of a character or string, then in this case it added 2 to the character <code>"N"</code> (78), resulting in <code>"P"</code> (80). How the string "NaP" is converted into a bare NaP with undefined meaning is not clear. It is possible the "NaP" means "Not a Positive" as opposed to "Not a Negative". It could also mean "Not a Prayer", as you're taking a "NaN" condition and trying to do more with it.
# <code>""+""</code>: In many languages, two consecutive double-quote characters denote an empty string, so this expression would concatenate two empty strings, resulting in an empty string. However, it appears that this language treats only the outermost quotes of the expression as the string boundary, so all of the characters between them become part of the literal string, producing '<code>"+"</code>' (In many programming languages, you can use both <code>"</code> or <code>'</code> to delimit strings and both behave similarly if not identical). Alternately, theses two consecutive double quotes may be treated similarly to the way that consecutive single quotes are treated in a SQL string, with the first quote escaping the 2nd. This would result in a string that contains the value <code>"+"</code>. It is also possible to read this expression as <code>'"'+'"'</code>, which would usually be <code>'""'</code>.
# <code>[1,2,3]+2</code> seems to test whether it's sound to append <code>2</code> to the list <code>[1,2,3]</code>, and concludes that it doesn't fit the pattern, returning the boolean value <code>false</code>. It could conceivably also be the result of an attempt to add <code>2</code> to the ''set'' <code>[1,2,3]</code>, which already contains that element (although <code>{1,2,3}</code> would be a more common notation for sets).
# <code>[1,2,3]+4</code> returns <code>true</code> for much the same reason.
# <code>2/(2-(3/2+1/2))</code> is a floating point joke. Floating point numbers are notoriously imprecise. With precise mathematics, <code>(3/2+1/2)</code> would be exactly 2, hence the entire thing would evaluate to <code>2/0</code> or <code>NaN</code> in Randall's new language. However, the result of <code>(3/2+1/2)</code> is "just slightly off," which makes the result "just slightly off" of <code>NaN</code>, which would be ridiculous in a real language. The ironic thing is that fractions with 2 in the denominator are ''not'' the kind of numbers that typically suffer from floating point imprecision. Additionally, if there had indeed been a rounding error, the actual calculation would become something like <code>2/0.000000000000013</code>, which should not return a <code>NaN</code> since it is not division by zero. It is most likely not a coincidence that there are 13 zeros before the "13" at the end of the "decimal".
# <code>RANGE(" ")</code> normally wouldn't make any sense. However, the new language appears to interpret it as ASCII, and in the ASCII table, character #32 is space, #33 is <code>!</code>, and #34 is <code>"</code>. So, instead of interpreting <code>" "</code> as a string, it seems to be interpreted as <code>34, 32, 34</code> (in ASCII), and then <code>range</code> appears to transform this into <code>34, 33, 32, 33, 34</code> (the "ranges" between the numbers), which, interpreted as ASCII, becomes <code>('"','!',' ','!','"')</code>.
# <code>+2</code> adds 2 to the ''line number'', 10, and returns the result, 12.
# <code>2+2</code> would normally be <code>4</code>. However, the interpreter takes this instruction to mean that the user wishes to increase the actual value of the number <code>2</code> (aka the "literal value") by <code>2</code> for the remainder of the program, making it <code>4</code> and then reports that the work is "Done". The result can be seen in the subsequent lines where all <code>2</code>s are replaced by <code>4</code>s. This could be a reference to languages like Fortran where [http://everything2.com/title/Changing+the+value+of+5+in+FORTRAN literals could be assigned new values]. This would normally be <code>2+=2</code>.
#<code>RANGE(1,5)</code> would normally return <code>(1,2,3,4,5)</code>; however, because the value of <code>2</code> has been changed to <code>4</code>, it returns <code>(1,4,3,4,5)</code>. This also affects the line number by changing the "2" in 12 to "4" resulting in the line number 14.
#<code>FLOOR(10.5)</code> should return <code>10</code> (the "floor" of a decimal number is that number rounded down); however, it instead returns {{w|ASCII art}} of the number on a "floor."

The title text contains three further examples relating to color. <code>color.rgb("blue")</code> returns the hexadecimal code for pure blue (as would be used in HTML, for example), which is how a real programming language might work. The lookup for "yellowish blue" returns "NaN" (Not a Number) again, which makes sense at one level because there is no such color as "yellowish blue" (yellow and blue are opposites on the RGB {{w|color triangle}}, making yellowish-blue an {{w|impossible colour}}, which can only be perceived with great difficulty through contrived figures). However a more typical result would have been a failure indicating that the color database does not include the name, in the same way that a typo such as "bluw" would. (Note that HTML does [http://stackoverflow.com/q/8318911/256431 explicitly attempt] to handle all "color names". For the record, "yellowish blue" is a dark blue with an imperceptible amount of red — <code style='background-color: #0e00b0; color: white'>#0E00B0</code>.) Similarly sorting the colors would normally produce some defined ordering, such as alphabetical, but in this language it generates the string "rainbow". It seems that Randall's new language understands color theory in an unusually deep way.

==Transcript==
:[Caption above the black part of the comic:]
:My new language is great, but it
:has a few quirks regarding type:

:[The rest of the comic is written in a black rectangle. All text to the left of ">" is written in gray. Text to the right of the ">" on the lines with numbers are in white, and then gray text on the other lines. There seems to be a missing ">" after line no. 3.]
:  [1]> 2+"2"
:    => "4"
:  [2]> "2"+[]
:    => "[2]"
:  [3] (2/0)
:    = > NaN
:  [4]> (2/0)+2
:    = > NaP
:  [5]> "" + ""
:    = > ' "+" '
:  [6]> [1,2,3]+2
:    = > False
:  [7]> [1,2,3]+4
:    = > True
:  [8]> 2/(2-(3/2+1/2))
:    = > NaN.000000000000013
:  [9]> Range("   ")
:    = > (' " ',"! "," ","!",' " ')
:[10]> + 2
:    = > 12
:[11]> 2+2
:    = > Done
:[14]> Range(1,5)
:    = > (1,4,3,4,5)
:[13]> Floor(10.5)
:    = > |
:    = > |
:    = > |
:    = > |_ _ _10.5_ _ _

==Trivia==
*There is an inconsistency in the comic after [3] where the ">" is missing.

{{comic discussion}}
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[[Category:  Language]]

2586: Greek Letters

2022-05-07T23:59:15Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2586
| date = February 25, 2022
| title = Greek Letters
| image = greek_letters.png
| titletext = If you ever see someone using a capital xi in an equation, just observe them quietly to learn as much as you can before they return to their home planet.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by '''''O R B S''''' PRO®- Missing explanations for some letters. The text for each letter should be in the explanation with an attempt at explaining it. This has not been included and many of the letters have no explanation of the given text, only for what they actually are used for. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
Mathematics uses lots of Greek letters, typically using {{w|Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics,_science,_and_engineering|the same letter consistently}} to represent a particular constant or type of variable. This comic gives a (non-)explanation of what they typically mean, see [[#Greek letters|below]].

In the title text the joke about capital Xi from the main comic is continued. In the main comic those using Ξ (capital xi) greets us as Earth mathematicians, indicating they are not from Earth, but have come here to learn what we know of math. In the title text the idea that any one using Ξ must be aliens is made clear. So if you ever meet someone using this letter while doing math, then learn as much as you can by quietly observing them, before they return to their home planet. Either learn from their possible advanced math (that allowed them to construct a way to get from one star system to another), or learn about them as the aliens species they represent.

Previously [[Randall]] made a similar comic, [[2520: Symbols]], about math symbols.

===Greek letters===

* '''π (lowercase pi): This math is either very simple or impossible.''' — Typically used to refer to the constant ratio between a circle’s circumference and its diameter (approximately 3.14). In a common school curriculum, this constant first shows up in introductory geometry classes, which would be considered "simple" by advanced mathematicians. But often, pi can show up seemingly randomly in advanced equations that have nothing to do with a circle at first glance, such as in infinite series. And because pi is transcendental, it can sometimes be difficult to work with pi in those situations. The comic may also be a reference to the impossibility of squaring the circle.
* An alternate explanation is that the comic refers to how the symbol can sometimes be used as a variable where the 'p' sound might make sense, such as in the prime-counting function where it stands for "prime" or the Buckingham π theorem where it stands for "parameter." These uses can be confusing to students who have only ever seen a lowercase pi used for the circle constant. This has pushed college courses to use it less and less frequently for anything other than the circle constant so that now you are only likely to see π as something else in higher math. (More confusing still is the variant lowercase pi, so-called omega pi {{w|Pi_(letter)#Variant_pi|ϖ}} sometimes used for angular frequency instead of the more common (and very similar-looking) lowercase omega ω. In astronomy, ϖ is traditionally used to denote the {{w|Longitude of the periapsis|longitude of perihelion}}.)

* '''Δ (capital delta): Something has changed.''' — Typically prefixes a variable to refer to a macroscopic change in or finite difference of that variable. For instance, Δ'''v''' may be the finite change in velocity '''v''' over some finite time span, while Δ[''f''](''x'') represents the forward difference of ''f'' at ''x'', defined as Δ[''f''](''x'') = ''f''(''x''+1) - ''f''(''x'').

* '''δ (lowercase delta): Something has changed and it's a mathematician's fault.''' — Used in calculus. In many areas of math, we study systems by introducing small changes (perturbations) in input variables and observing how the system changes. The perturbations introduced are often written down as ''x'' → ''x'' + ''δx'' for some variable ''x'' we're perturbing, where ''δx'' is the change we've introduced. These are often applied in physics (perturbation theory, the principle of least action, Noether's theorem,…). Since this change was purposefully introduced by the mathematician instead of occurring naturally, it is, therefore, their fault.

* '''θ (lowercase theta): Circles!''' — Used in trigonometry. Typically used to refer to an angle, and is notably used in the polar coordinate system. The text refers to its close relationship with circles, on which the polar coordinate system is based. In European handwriting, the variant form ϑ is commonly used with the same meaning.

* '''ϕ (lowercase phi): ''ORBS''''' — Typically used to refer to another angle other than one referred to by theta. It's used in spherical coordinates, and the text refers to how spheres, or orbs, are important in spherical coordinates. Lowercase phi has two forms in modern typography which are confused by this website's default font. In the comic, it has a complete circle with a vertical line passing through it, which is what Knuth called "phi." The alternate form, φ, is what Knuth called "variant phi" and can be written in a single stroke. Most fonts reverse the way these symbols are rendered. There is no difference in meaning between the symbols. Additionally, "O R B S" is written with spaces between each letter, possibly a reference to the linguistic phenomena of surreal memes and their tendency to add spaces between letters of "surreal-sounding" words like "orbs". Also used for the {{w|Veblen functions}}.

* '''ϵ (lowercase epsilon): Not important, don't worry about it.''' — Typically used to refer to a very small quantity. ϵ may be an error term in a statistical model (which is usually small if the model is useful), a remainder term in an approximation (same), or an arbitrarily small (positive) quantity in analysis. Although a total cumulative change of "ϵ" is negligible, in analysis, ϵ is most often applied in a context of an infinitesimal change occurring with infinite frequency. The study of ratios of quantities that approach zero gives rise to infinitesimal calculus. This Greek lowercase letter has two common modern variants, ϵ and ε. ϵ is called the "{{w|Epsilon#Unicode|lunate epsilon}}" and may be more common in the U.S. A stylized version (∈) is used as the mathematical symbol for "is an element of." ε is what Knuth called the "variant epsilon" and is never used for the "element of" symbol but otherwise has identical meaning. It is used to enumerate {{w|Epsilon numbers|the fixed points of α↦ωα}} (see below for what ω means). Because epsilon represents an arbitrarily small (positive) quantity, there's no reason for anyone to worry about it from a practical standpoint. Also used in set theory to show a number is part of a set, e.g. X ϵ Y (x is part of set Y).

* '''υ,ν (lowercase upsilon and nu): Is that a v or a u? Or...oh no, it's one of ''those''.''' — Common in college-level physics and engineering equations. ν commonly represents wavenumber in physics as well as a wide variety of other variables, often with names starting in N (e.g. neutron) or V (e.g. viscosity). Lowercase upsilon is rarely used, probably to avoid confusion. The symbols look remarkably similar to Latin u and v, to the point that they are nearly indistinguishable in some fonts; Randall has complained about this before in [[2351: Standard Model Changes]].

* '''μ (lowercase mu): This math is cool but it's not about anything that you will ever see or touch, so whatever.''' — Used broadly in the abstract mathematical fields of category theory and measure theory. Also used in statistics for the mean (average). Physicists use Latin letters for the indices of the 3-vectors of classical physics and Greek indices, including μ, for the 4-vectors of special relativity. This leads to μ being ubiquitous in a field that is very far from everyday experience (where speeds approach the speed of light). It is also employed in statistics for the population mean, which is a quantity that the statistician never actually knows and frequently wants to estimate. Equations requiring a μ are thus impossible to apply directly. However, μ is used in physics for the coefficient of friction in the Coulomb model, typically used to approximate resistive forces between dry solids of different materials sliding past each other. A very common use of μ in science and engineering is as the symbol of the SI prefix ''micro-'' for a millionth. Unicode has officially added a point for μ as the "micro sign," distinct from its usual codepoint as the lowercase Greek letter mu.

* '''Σ (capital sigma): Thank you for purchasing ''Addition Pro''®!''' — Typically used as a symbol for the sum of a series of numbers. The comic is making fun of summation, pointing out that it's essentially a complicated, "pro" version of simple addition. The capital sigma is often used as the icon for the all-important "sum" button in spreadsheet software. However, the sigma operator is often necessary for explicitly defining infinite sums, avoiding ambiguous notation like an ellipsis (...).

* '''Π (capital pi): ...and the ''Multiplication''® expansion pack!''' — Typically used as a symbol for the product of a sequence of numbers. The joke is the same as for summation. Here, it is advertised as an "expansion pack," a term used for a piece of software that cannot stand alone but adds features to some existing software. Any paid spreadsheet or database program should already have the ability to perform products. The ® symbol indicates that ''Multiplication'' is a registered trademark somewhere, which is unlikely, as the term is not unique. However, common words are registered as parts of longer trademarks rather often.

* '''ζ (lowercase zeta): This math will only lead to more math.''' — Frequently used for the {{w|Riemann zeta function}} in analytic number theory, a function of complex numbers which is challenging even to define and which is the focus of a famously unsolved problem in highly advanced mathematics. Zeta is used much less often in other contexts, such as the ζ-potential in colloidal chemistry, and even there it is likely to just lead to more math. It is also used for the fixed points of α↦εα, which will also lead to more math.

* '''β (lowercase beta): There are just too many coefficients.''' — This could be a reference to the typical usage of beta to represent coefficients of independent variables in the {{w|Ordinary_least_squares#Linear_model|ordinary least squares regression model}}. Regression can potentially have a large number of independent variables, hence potentially many different betas (differentiated by a subscript, or compacted into matrix notation) would be used, while there is only ever a single zeroth-order coefficient α in these models. Alternatively, the comic might suggest whatever source this equation is from has run out of Latin letters to use as symbols, and is now going through the Greek letters.

* '''α (lowercase alpha): Oh boy, now ''this'' is math about something real. This is math that could ''kill'' someone.''' — As the first Greek letter, α is used for a tremendous variety of purposes in math. For example, it is used to represent the probability of a Type-I error (false positive) occurring in a hypothesis test. It could also possibly refer to the {{w|fine-structure constant}} which shows up in high energy physics, atomic physics, quantum electrodynamics, and at least [[1047|one other xkcd comic]]. Alpha could also refer to {{w|angular acceleration}}, and a rapidly-rotating system is capable of killing people in a number of [[123|interesting ways]]. Another dangerous meaning for α comes from ionizing α-radiation: while it can be easily blocked by even a sheet of paper, it has been {{W|Alexander Litvinenko#Poisoning and death|used for assassinations}} through ingestion.

* '''Ω (capital omega): Oooh, ''some'' mathematician thinks their function is cool and important.''' — The last letter of the Greek alphabet and thus often seen as momentous (the end, the final word, death). The capital letter has been used as the symbol for a {{w|Omega_function|variety of mathematical functions}}, the {{w|first uncountable ordinal}}, and {{w|Absolute Infinity}}. It is commonly used in physics and electrical engineering as the symbol for {{w|ohms}}, a unit for electrical resistance. Capital omega has produced a fascination in common culture, perhaps due to God reportedly describing himself as "the alpha and the omega" in the Book of Revelation or due to its highly distinctive shape. It is often used to represent something of grave or transcendent significance. So using it to name your function (instead of a conventional symbol like ''f'' or ''g'') may mean you think the function is particularly important.

* '''ω (lowercase omega): A lot of work went into these equations and you are going to die here among them.''' — Used for the {{w|Transfinite_number|least transfinite ordinal number}}, the order type of the natural numbers under '<'. The line about dying here among the transfinite equations may be in reference to the "eternity" of the infinite set it represents. It is also used in physics and electrical engineering for angular frequency, equal to 2π times the frequency, and thus it is ubiquitous in equations dealing with all sorts of wave phenomena. '''ω''' is also used for the angular velocity of a rotating system, defined by '''v''' = '''r'''×'''ω'''.

* '''σ (lowercase sigma): Some poor soul is trying to apply this math to real life and it's not working.''' — In statistics, σ commonly refers to the population standard deviation of a distribution. Many simplified statistical equations substitute the population standard deviation σ for the sample standard deviation s for simplicity, even when this is not justifiable. A common example is using the normal distribution to model the mean of several identically normally distributed variables instead of the T distribution. The variant ς is used at the end of Greek words (called the "final sigma") but is rarely used in math or science.

* '''ξ (lowercase xi): Either this is terrifying mathematics or there was a hair on the scanned page.''' — Randall comments that this looks like a strand of curly hair. Xi is used in the {{w|Riemann Xi function}} and sometimes as a variable or function symbol in higher math. It is famously difficult to write in a way that is consistent and clearly distinct from other symbols.

* '''γ (lowercase gamma): ''Zoom'' pew pew pew [space noises] ''zoooom!''''' — Lowercase gamma is used for the {{w|Lorentz factor}}, an important variable in special relativity calculations. Its use implies that you are dealing with speeds approaching the speed of light and therefore with spaceships or other moving objects not confined to Earth. γ-rays are also the highest energy photons, so a space opera might have ships flying near the speed of light firing gamma-ray weapons that go PEW PEW. γ is also used as the symbol for the Euler-Mascheroni constant and occasionally as a variable or function name.

* '''ρ (lowercase rho): Unfortunately, the test vehicle suffered an unexpected wing separation event.''' — Used in statistics to measure the association between variables. Lowercase rho often represents volumetric mass density, such as the density of air that a wing might be traveling through. The density of a fluid is directly proportional to the Reynold's number, which dictates the sort of physics used to model motion through the fluid. Flying a plane in conditions with a Reynold's number well outside of what it was designed for could have catastrophic consequences. A variant symbol ϱ with the same meaning is common in European handwriting.

* '''Ξ (capital xi): Greetings! We hope to learn a great deal by exchanging knowledge with your Earth mathematicians.''' — Probably the least used Greek letter in math and physics despite being easy to write and recognize. According to the comic, anyone using this letter is likely a being from another planet. It does see very occasional use, such as in the Riemann xi function or as the symbol for a class of heavy baryons in particle physics. It resembles but is not to be confused with a "hamburger button" or a triple equals sign ≡. Coincidentally, it also resembles the simplified Hanzi (Chinese) character for the [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chinese_(Mandarin)/Numbers number 3]. Randall thinks it most closely resembles alien writing. It may also represent a Π20 indescribable.

* '''ψ (lowercase psi): You have entered the domain of King Triton, ruler of the waves.''' — Both capital and lowercase psi are shaped like tridents. In classical mythology, {{w|Triton}} is one of the gods of the sea, alongside his father Poseidon, and tridents are commonly associated with sea gods. In quantum mechanics, either psi is used to represent the wave function of a particle, leading to a pun. (Psi is also used in mathematics to represent the sum of the inverse of the Fibonacci numbers, the division polynomials, the supergolden ratio, ordinal collapsing functions, and other purposes.)

==Transcript==
:[A list with 21 explanations of different Greek letters. To the left, the letter (in one case two letters) are shown, and then the explanation is written to the right in one or two lines (and in one case on three lines). Above these explanations, there is a header in a slightly larger font:]
:<big>What Greek letters mean in equations</big>
:π This math is either very simple or impossible.
:Δ Something has changed.
:δ Something has changed and it's a mathematician's fault.
:θ Circles!
:Φ '''''O R B S'''''
:ϵ Not important, don't worry about it.
:υ,ν Is that a v or a u? Or...oh no, it's one of ''those''.
:μ This math is cool but it's not about anything that you will ever see or touch, so whatever.
:Σ Thank you for purchasing ''Addition Pro''®!
:Π ...and the ''Multiplication''® expansion pack!
:ζ This math will only lead to more math.
:β There are just too many coefficients.
:α Oh boy, now ''this'' is math about something real. This is math that could ''kill'' someone.
:Ω Oooh, ''some'' mathematician thinks their function is cool and important.
:ω A lot of work went into these equations and you are going to die here among them.
:σ Some poor soul is trying to apply this math to real life and it's not working.
:ξ Either this is terrifying mathematics or there was a hair on the scanned page.
:γ ''Zoom'' pew pew pew [space noises] ''zoooom!''
:ρ Unfortunately, the test vehicle suffered an unexpected wing separation event.
:Ξ Greetings! We hope to learn a great deal by exchanging knowledge with your Earth mathematicians.
:ψ You have entered the domain of King Triton, ruler of the waves.

{{comic discussion}}

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[[Category:Aliens]]

2614: 2

2022-05-05T02:56:22Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

<noinclude>:''This page refers to the comic named "2". For comic #2, see [[2: Petit Trees (sketch)]].''</noinclude>

{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by A VERY JEALOUS NUMBER ₃½ⁿ₇₇₇ⅥⅣ₆⁸⁴⁴½⅔⅜ↆ↉↉∂, WHO DEMANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WEBCOMIC NEXT - Please change this comment when editing this page. Everything is in there but some categories might need explanation and examples.}}

This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. While these ways of typesetting are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration how adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to its second power).

The dotted box represents any character (a number, letter, or bigram of letters, as appropriate to the various signifiers). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, with occasional additional punctuation, in various locations in relation to this character. Each of these is labelled as to what its 'purpose' might normally be with respect to the general term:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people.
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, namely deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent {{w|tetration}}, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, as in "2He", indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains. It is thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence is meaningful for its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This number of protons should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number for which it can indicate the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent {{w|pentation}}, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}; in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by itself - a common mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page and containing additional information that would distract from the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]].
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g., establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realm of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices.
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}. For example, "f(2)" means that you should take the value 2, and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics in {{w|Secondary school|high school}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a special kind of group, such as an an element of a symmetry group that keeps 2 fixed, or some kind of group of 2x2 matrices. For instance, {{w|SU(2)}} is a 3-dimensional {{w|Lie group}} of {{w|unitary matrices}}. These concepts are taught in graduate or advanced undergraduate mathematics courses.
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers. It does not make sense to have a single number there. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] where something appears to have gone wrong in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'.
:Two numbers may be stacked in parentheses in {{w|combination}} notation, but in that case the two numbers would both be 'small': (22)
:The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable, usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable (i.e., you Σ (sum) the argument over all values of i). In the "2" case, the alt text says "you 2 the argument over all values of 2" (i.e., the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable). 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics, which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and [[:Category:Cursed_Connectors|cursed connectors]]. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural has demonstrable implications for science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parentheses]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parentheses:] 2

:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
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[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring cursed items]]

Talk:2117: Differentiation and Integration

2022-05-04T22:24:00Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

Darn, I have no idea what this comic is about. Randal has eluded my yet again. [[User:Linker|Linker]] ([[User talk:Linker|talk]]) 17:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:Calculus. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.143|162.158.79.143]] 18:16, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
::Basically, differentiation is easy to do by hand, but integration, even of things that look simple on paper, can be very difficult, as well as easy to mess up or get lost in. [[User:Glassvein|Glassvein]] ([[User talk:Glassvein|talk]]) 01:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

And Calc 2 is why I stopped being a Computer Science major and moved (eventually) to majoring in English. Consistent 4.0s in math through Trig and Calc I ... 1.6 in Calc II, retook and got a 1.8. Without the Calc, couldn't do the physics; without the physics, couldn't get my 2-yr degree and move on from community college to a full university. I don't know what all the integration stuff in the flowchart is (since I didn't do well in Calc and it was a long time ago), but there's so very many things that become [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonelementary_integral nonelementary integrals] that all sorts of special tricks have to be employed for things that look like they should be easy. It's like having a problem that's very easy to do division on, but requires special advanced mathematical tricks to use multiplication upon.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.208|108.162.216.208]] 19:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Going to start learning integration in 3 weeks... Wish me luck. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.96|162.158.62.96]] 12:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Basic ideas:
Integration by parts is the reverse of the Product Rule.
Substitution is the reverse of the Chain Rule.
Cauchy's Formula gives the result of a contour integration in the complex plane, using "singularities" of the integrand.
Partial fractions is just splitting up one complex fraction into a sum of simple fractions, which is relevant because they are easier to integrate.
Stokes theorem is the relationship between an integral over an area, and an integral over the boundary of said area.
Riemann integration was the first rigorous definition of integration. This has been superseded by Lesbesgue integration.
Bessel functions are like 2d versions of sin and cos, and turn up sometimes when doing integration.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.61|162.158.89.61]] 20:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:"Lesbesgue integration." Best. Freudian. Slip. Ever. SCNR :P [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.59|162.158.91.59]] 08:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I know what you mean ;). After all, Gen 8 Pokemon was announced the other day, so you read it as "Pokemon League Integration". Completely understandable. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.78.28|172.68.78.28]] 14:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't Wolfram Alpha be somewhere in that flowchart? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.142|162.158.255.142]] 20:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not the only one who is too dumb to integrate [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.36|162.158.90.36]] 21:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:Symbolic differentiation is just going through algorithm ; there are few functions which don't have it but they tend to be constructed in complicated way, and if function have differentiation it's usually easy to find it. Symbolic integration requires lot of thinking and trial and error ; even very easy function may lack primitive function and even if they don't, you may be unable to find it except randomly. If it's exercise in book, the ones for differentiation are done by thinking about some interesting function and putting it there. The ones for integration are done by thinking about some interesting function and putting it's differentiation there. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Oddly enough it mentions Riemann integration, but that is the integral most people know how to use. Turns out there are a lot more (e.g. lebesgue and generalized riemann integrals). I'm halfway through a second semester of real analysis and was floored by how involved integration can be. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.34.106|172.68.34.106]] 21:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

One of my professors once said: "Never try to integrate a function. Almost all (in a strict mathematical sense) functions are impossible to integrate, so there is no reason why you should even try." --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.128|162.158.88.128]] 07:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

How is there no "+ C" joke in there [[User:Blagae|Blagae]] ([[User talk:Blagae|talk]]) 13:16, 28 February 2019
(UTC)

Probably because he put a +C joke in 1201:_Integration_by_Parts. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.160|108.162.219.160]] 13:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Why is all the maths broken [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 22:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
== Risch algorithm ==

I thought I could contribute to the article with a better explanation of the Risch algorithm, since I have a bit of expertise here -- I've read all the original papers, plus the Cherry papers that add the extra features like Li and erf. I pulled out some of the old papers to review my knowledge of symbolic differential algebra (it's been a while!) then typed up a careful explanation which corrected some errors in the original description and fleshed out many more details... possibly excessively, but hey, that's kind of our calling here.

Then I saw that Glassvein completely removed my version for what appears to be the original without so much as a mention in the edit description. What gives? I

[[User:CRGreathouse|CRGreathouse]] ([[User talk:CRGreathouse|talk]]) 04:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
: Probably due to simultaneous editing. I've restored your definition. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.128|162.158.88.128]] 16:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

:: OK, wasn't sure if it was intentional (if somehow it was worse). Thanks! [[User:CRGreathouse|CRGreathouse]] ([[User talk:CRGreathouse|talk]]) 01:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
That was indeed an accident due to simultaneous editing. My bad!
[[User:Glassvein|Glassvein]] ([[User talk:Glassvein|talk]]) 02:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

== Numerical Integration ==
Better still...plot the graph - cut along the line - weigh the part under the line. :-) [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

[Anonymous: I understand mathematically that integration is much more difficult than differentiation, but is there a possibility that Randall is making the comment that the same is true for Society? Integration has proved very difficult, and has led to riots, but experience shows that dividing our society up into small subgroups (that then argue with each other, but don't spend enough time together for riots) is relatively easy.]{{unsigned ip|108.162.219.112}}

:Good luck plotting {{w|Weierstrass function}}. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 00:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

== overstates the case? ==

Current summary says that the comic overstates the case of how difficult integration can be. I'm not sure that's true. Sure, you can use numerical integration to get a specific area under the curve, but that's not what the comic is referring to. Unless some mathematician can show here how integration can be done by repeatedly following a set of fixed rules, Ithis comic is actually completely accurate. And that's why it's funny. :-)

== Purify the Power rule? ==
The derivative power rule shown is combined with the chain rule. I think it should be stated to be a pure power rule, without the chain rule components. When I tried making that adjustment, I got error messages that I could not resolve, so could someone who knows how the MATH feature works remove the chain rule from the power rule? [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 18:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
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This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. Whilst these typefaces are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration of where adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to it's second power).

The dotted box represents any character (presumably a letter or bigram of letters). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, in various fashions with occasional additional punctuation, and labelled as to what the 'purpose' might normally be of any particular element(s) as indicated, with respect to the general term, in the following fashions:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people. {{Citation needed}}
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of Hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, i.e. deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent tetration, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, "2He" indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains, and thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence meaningful in its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number where it can be indicative of the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent pentation, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}, in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by a second copy of itself, and a fairly typical mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page, with additional information that would not be appropriate or easily comprehendable to edit into the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]]
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g. establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realms of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices!
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}, e.g. "f(2)", which means that you should take the value (in this case 2) and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics already described, i.e. at {{w|Secondary school|High School}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. This may be somewhat beyond high-school level.{{citation needed}}
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers.
:It does not make sense to have a single number there, as indicated in the alt text. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'. The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable, i.e. you Σ the argument over all values of i. In the "2" case, the alt text says you "you 2 the argument over all values of 2", i.e. the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable. 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
:: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and [[:Category:Cursed_Connectors|cursed connectors]]. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural have demonstrable implications on science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parentheses]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parentheses:] 2

ERE
:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Math]]
[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cursed Items]]

Talk:2614: 2

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Hello people. Anyone got an explanation for this? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 22:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:dog walker in the coments section omg (shodul we replace this with a smaller version because i think whiel it is legitimite discussion and not vandaelism this time it shoudl not be so fuck god damn large) --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 07:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::friends romans countrymen lend me your ears previously this comment had a picture of doug walker attached to it and i was not aware it was vandalism and not a part of the comment which explains my preivous comment; thank you for reaidng --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.247|172.70.114.247]] 07:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

To the person who has requested a citation that two is a number... here you go: https://youtu.be/dBVoIUASFS0?t=82. Can someone who knows how to add citations add it? :D --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.209|172.70.110.209]] 23:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:The [citation needed] thing is a running joke here thanks to [[285: Wikipedian Protester]]. It's used for obvious statements of fact on this wiki as a joke (basically the opposite of its Wikipedia use). [[User:KirbyDude25|KirbyDude25]] ([[User talk:KirbyDude25|talk]]) 00:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm sorry to inform you that you probably became another victim of Poe's law (or "r/whooosh", as kids say these days). I was just playing the [https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/game SMBC citation game]. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.209|172.70.110.209]] 02:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And we try to limit the use to only very very funny situations or when there is actually need for a citation, so as to not ruin it by having it on every single explanation!!! ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 06:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey all, the group theory thing reminds me a lot of cyclic groups or ideals generated by the value 2. Also equivalence classes (which come up in group theory) can be written with [brackets] but may be confused with <cyclic groups> or (ideals).

The 2;2 notation looks like the notation \mu; \nu that is used for covariant derivatives of tensors in physics. Also 2,2 looks like \mu, \nu that is used for partial derivatives of tensors. And as mentioned above, (2) could be a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.120|162.158.62.120]] 23:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I second the point about tensors. Maybe you could expand the summation notation slightly. It's common to use index sets or rules underneath large symbols for all sorts of things, like sums, products, direct sums, direct products, unions, intersections, integrals, and much, much more. So here, the large 2 in parentheses represents one of these symbols. Rather than adding or multiplying the elements or whatever, you are twoing them, whatever that means. You are twoing over all values of 2, apparently. It's sort of reminiscent of jokes with punchlines like "for sufficiently large values of 2." There are of course, different 2s out there. Like, there is the von Neumann ordinal 2, the integer 2, the rational number 2, the real number 2, the complex number 2, the residue class of 2 mod 3, etc. All of these may be represented by 2. Perhaps we are indexing over some collection of canonical representations of 2? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.161|172.70.130.161]] 00:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Explanation needs something about one of the 2s being cursed. Also, this should be added to the category for cursed stuff (I think it's cursed things, but did not look it up). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.211.72|172.70.211.72]] 01:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Superscript or subscripts before a thing can indicate tetration and pentation. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.66.63|172.68.66.63]] 03:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Did anyone else think there should have been a 2 after everything else (after the parentheses) with an arrow pointing to it labeled “sequels”?[[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.65|172.70.126.65]] 06:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Damn there is (again?) some idiot that replaces the explanation with text :-/ Wish we could ban those persons! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 06:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:What the vandal do those edit summaries mean? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.121|172.70.130.121]] 06:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::What do those "et tu" edit summaries mean? (The ones on all the edits replacing the text with "Friends, Romans, Countrymen...") [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.142|162.158.107.142]] 17:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

doug walker! the guy keeps chaging the image to doug fucking walker! awhat the fuck is up wiht that !!! --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 07:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:ok im'm pretty sure janny is soem transphobic slur (for reference the vandalism edit at 07:36's comment was "clean it up janny") did dog wlaker do a transphobic thing and now some altright pople who find it worth there time to change the Exain Xkcd page inage to Dog WAlker are nutting there balls dry???? --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.75|172.70.230.75]] 07:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::I assumed it was calling us, the people who clear up their mess, "janitors", i.e. menial cleaners/fixer-upperers. But I honestly don't know what dialect/culture uses that (sounds a bit Australian, but not exclusively, and it's a typical and not necessarily derogative kind of word-shortenning that anybody might use) and if they ''do'' mean to call us janitors then... I'm happy to be a janitor. It's a worthwhile occupation, and I consider that an important job that I'll willingly do in the face of such a moron.

[[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.44|172.70.86.44]] 09:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
This should probably be added to Category:Comics sharing name[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.199|172.70.178.199]] 15:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:No there are not other comic called 2. The comic with number 2 is not the name of that comic. And the only other number only comics are year numbers like 2016.--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

There should be a category: comics featuring cursed items {{unsigned ip|172.70.230.63}}
:Can you list at least 5. Then I will consider it. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::There's 5 here https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Cursed_Connectors and one here [[2332]] [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Noting that the infamous Cursed Chair had not been labelled, yet Curse(d?) Words had, I added the former and took no additional liberties in adding all other cursed things that seemed to lie within that scope (some by in-comic or in-titletext reference, I know) that weren't already included through the Cursed Connectors membership. I web-commented each Catsgory-markuped entry (to varying degrees of directness) in case anybody needs a clue as to why it is added. Obviously I accept any community disagreement on some of the more marginal representative 'items' (words, air, and a <4th minus one> thing that is even more conceptual), but that's what a collaborative wiki is for, yes? ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.177|172.70.85.177]] 21:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Who put a Ukrainian flag at the top of the page? {{unsigned ip|172.70.230.63}}
: i agree with whoever did that, but maybe a bit smaller or on the bottom so it doesn't interfere with normal usage of this? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.69.170|172.69.69.170]] 18:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Bumpf
:: Is it better now? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.15|108.162.245.15]] 18:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Another vandal. Of course it should not be there. I support Ukraine but this page has nothing to do with that situation! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:It’s one of very many cases of vandalism in recent days. As Kynde says, it should not be there. And of course we don’t take instructions from vandals. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 18:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::On behalf of the militant centrist wing of the ExplainXKCD community, I welcome the support for Ukraine but I worry as to who decides that this website supports a particular perspective. Ukraine's right to self determination is obvious, but another contributor could suggest something more suspect. [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I guess the vandal thought he would be any less obvious if his spam was disguised as support for Ukraine. Notice that it appeared at the same time as a new onslaught elsewhere at the site, as well as on this comic. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 18:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Vandals ==

Looks like there's some full scale vandalism happening - can anyone lock the site? [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:( [[User:Nafedalbi|Nafedalbi]] ([[User talk:Nafedalbi|talk]]) 19:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:Indeed, See the contributions of [[User:X. K. C. D.|X. K. C. D.]]. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 21:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Uh, whoops. Don't mind that. [[User:Nafedalbi|Nafedalbi]] ([[User talk:Nafedalbi|talk]]) 19:05, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::WITW is happening now? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.212|108.162.246.212]] 21:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::This: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/User:X._K._C._D./common.js [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 21:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Crap. (no pun intended) They wrote a bot. Is there a way to stop that? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.251|108.162.245.251]] 21:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't think the bot can be stopped without an admin, but a counterbot that undos edits to any crapped pages could work. --[[User:4D4850|4D4850]] ([[User talk:4D4850|talk]]) 01:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

uhh apparently linking to a category puts it at the bottom - how do I link to a category? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
:Wait you have to put a : before the name [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2614: 2

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Talk:2614: 2

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Hello people. Anyone got an explanation for this? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 22:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:dog walker in the coments section omg (shodul we replace this with a smaller version because i think whiel it is legitimite discussion and not vandaelism this time it shoudl not be so fuck god damn large) --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 07:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::friends romans countrymen lend me your ears previously this comment had a picture of doug walker attached to it and i was not aware it was vandalism and not a part of the comment which explains my preivous comment; thank you for reaidng --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.247|172.70.114.247]] 07:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

To the person who has requested a citation that two is a number... here you go: https://youtu.be/dBVoIUASFS0?t=82. Can someone who knows how to add citations add it? :D --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.209|172.70.110.209]] 23:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:The [citation needed] thing is a running joke here thanks to [[285: Wikipedian Protester]]. It's used for obvious statements of fact on this wiki as a joke (basically the opposite of its Wikipedia use). [[User:KirbyDude25|KirbyDude25]] ([[User talk:KirbyDude25|talk]]) 00:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm sorry to inform you that you probably became another victim of Poe's law (or "r/whooosh", as kids say these days). I was just playing the [https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/game SMBC citation game]. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.209|172.70.110.209]] 02:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And we try to limit the use to only very very funny situations or when there is actually need for a citation, so as to not ruin it by having it on every single explanation!!! ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 06:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey all, the group theory thing reminds me a lot of cyclic groups or ideals generated by the value 2. Also equivalence classes (which come up in group theory) can be written with [brackets] but may be confused with <cyclic groups> or (ideals).

The 2;2 notation looks like the notation \mu; \nu that is used for covariant derivatives of tensors in physics. Also 2,2 looks like \mu, \nu that is used for partial derivatives of tensors. And as mentioned above, (2) could be a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.120|162.158.62.120]] 23:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I second the point about tensors. Maybe you could expand the summation notation slightly. It's common to use index sets or rules underneath large symbols for all sorts of things, like sums, products, direct sums, direct products, unions, intersections, integrals, and much, much more. So here, the large 2 in parentheses represents one of these symbols. Rather than adding or multiplying the elements or whatever, you are twoing them, whatever that means. You are twoing over all values of 2, apparently. It's sort of reminiscent of jokes with punchlines like "for sufficiently large values of 2." There are of course, different 2s out there. Like, there is the von Neumann ordinal 2, the integer 2, the rational number 2, the real number 2, the complex number 2, the residue class of 2 mod 3, etc. All of these may be represented by 2. Perhaps we are indexing over some collection of canonical representations of 2? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.161|172.70.130.161]] 00:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Explanation needs something about one of the 2s being cursed. Also, this should be added to the category for cursed stuff (I think it's cursed things, but did not look it up). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.211.72|172.70.211.72]] 01:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Superscript or subscripts before a thing can indicate tetration and pentation. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.66.63|172.68.66.63]] 03:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Did anyone else think there should have been a 2 after everything else (after the parentheses) with an arrow pointing to it labeled “sequels”?[[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.65|172.70.126.65]] 06:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Damn there is (again?) some idiot that replaces the explanation with text :-/ Wish we could ban those persons! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 06:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:What the vandal do those edit summaries mean? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.121|172.70.130.121]] 06:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::What do those "et tu" edit summaries mean? (The ones on all the edits replacing the text with "Friends, Romans, Countrymen...") [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.142|162.158.107.142]] 17:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

doug walker! the guy keeps chaging the image to doug fucking walker! awhat the fuck is up wiht that !!! --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.229|172.70.114.229]] 07:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:ok im'm pretty sure janny is soem transphobic slur (for reference the vandalism edit at 07:36's comment was "clean it up janny") did dog wlaker do a transphobic thing and now some altright pople who find it worth there time to change the Exain Xkcd page inage to Dog WAlker are nutting there balls dry???? --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.75|172.70.230.75]] 07:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::I assumed it was calling us, the people who clear up their mess, "janitors", i.e. menial cleaners/fixer-upperers. But I honestly don't know what dialect/culture uses that (sounds a bit Australian, but not exclusively, and it's a typical and not necessarily derogative kind of word-shortenning that anybody might use) and if they ''do'' mean to call us janitors then... I'm happy to be a janitor. It's a worthwhile occupation, and I consider that an important job that I'll willingly do in the face of such a moron.

[[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.44|172.70.86.44]] 09:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
This should probably be added to Category:Comics sharing name[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.199|172.70.178.199]] 15:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:No there are not other comic called 2. The comic with number 2 is not the name of that comic. And the only other number only comics are year numbers like 2016.--[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

There should be a category: comics featuring cursed items {{unsigned ip|172.70.230.63}}
:Can you list at least 5. Then I will consider it. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::There's 5 here https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Cursed_Connectors and one here [[2332]] [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Noting that the infamous Cursed Chair had not been labelled, yet Curse(d?) Words had, I added the former and took no additional liberties in adding all other cursed things that seemed to lie within that scope (some by in-comic or in-titletext reference, I know) that weren't already included through the Cursed Connectors membership. I web-commented each Catsgory-markuped entry (to varying degrees of directness) in case anybody needs a clue as to why it is added. Obviously I accept any community disagreement on some of the more marginal representative 'items' (words, air, and a <4th minus one> thing that is even more conceptual), but that's what a collaborative wiki is for, yes? ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.177|172.70.85.177]] 21:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Who put a Ukrainian flag at the top of the page? {{unsigned ip|172.70.230.63}}
: i agree with whoever did that, but maybe a bit smaller or on the bottom so it doesn't interfere with normal usage of this? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.69.170|172.69.69.170]] 18:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Bumpf
:: Is it better now? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.15|108.162.245.15]] 18:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Another vandal. Of course it should not be there. I support Ukraine but this page has nothing to do with that situation! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:It’s one of very many cases of vandalism in recent days. As Kynde says, it should not be there. And of course we don’t take instructions from vandals. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 18:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::On behalf of the militant centrist wing of the ExplainXKCD community, I welcome the support for Ukraine but I worry as to who decides that this website supports a particular perspective. Ukraine's right to self determination is obvious, but another contributor could suggest something more suspect. [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I guess the vandal thought he would be any less obvious if his spam was disguised as support for Ukraine. Notice that it appeared at the same time as a new onslaught elsewhere at the site, as well as on this comic. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 18:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Vandals ==

Looks like there's some full scale vandalism happening - can anyone lock the site? [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 18:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:( [[User:Nafedalbi|Nafedalbi]] ([[User talk:Nafedalbi|talk]]) 19:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:Indeed, See the contributions of [[User:X. K. C. D.|X. K. C. D.]]. [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 21:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Uh, whoops. Don't mind that. [[User:Nafedalbi|Nafedalbi]] ([[User talk:Nafedalbi|talk]]) 19:05, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::WITW is happening now? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.212|108.162.246.212]] 21:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::This: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/User:X._K._C._D./common.js [[User:While False|While False]] ([[User talk:While False|talk]]) 21:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Crap. (no pun intended) They wrote a bot. Is there a way to stop that? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.251|108.162.245.251]] 21:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't think the bot can be stopped without an admin, but a counterbot that undos edits to any crapped pages could work. --[[User:4D4850|4D4850]] ([[User talk:4D4850|talk]]) 01:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

uhh apparently linking to a category puts it at the bottom - how do I link to a catergory? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

2614: 2

2022-05-04T04:13:35Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

<noinclude>:''This page refers to the comic named "2". For comic #2, see [[2: Petit Trees (sketch)]].''</noinclude>
{{notice|'''WARNING:''' A large percentage of ExplainXKCD's pages were recently vandalized by one user's bot script, which has been stopped. ([[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Admin_requests#Vandalism|Discussion]] and [[explain_xkcd:Crap|information]].) Because of this, the number of comics above may be slightly inaccurate at the moment.}}
{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by A VERY JEALOUS NUMBER ₃½ⁿ₇₇₇ⅥⅣ₆⁸⁴⁴½⅔⅜ↆ↉↉∂, WHO DEMANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WEBCOMIC NEXT - Please change this comment when editing this page. The titletext needs to be worked in there, but I think I got everything else in some sort of order, pending general improvements. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. Whilst these typefaces are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration of where adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to it's second power).

The dotted box represents any character (presumably a letter or bigram of letters). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, in various fashions with occasional additional punctuation, and labelled as to what the 'purpose' might normally be of any particular element(s) as indicated, with respect to the general term, in the following fashions:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people. {{Citation needed}}
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of Hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, i.e. deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent tetration, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, "2He" indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains, and thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence meaningful in its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number where it can be indicative of the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent pentation, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}, in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by a second copy of itself, and a fairly typical mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page, with additional information that would not be appropriate or easily comprehendable to edit into the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]]
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g. establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realms of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices!
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}, e.g. "f(2)", which means that you should take the value (in this case 2) and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics already described, i.e. at {{w|Secondary school|High School}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. This may be somewhat beyond high-school level.{{citation needed}}
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers.
:It does not make sense to have a single number there, as indicated in the alt text. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'. The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable, i.e. you Σ the argument over all values of i. In the "2" case, the alt text says you "you 2 the argument over all values of 2", i.e. the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable. 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
:: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and Category:Cursed Connectors. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural have demonstrable implications on science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parentheses]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parentheses:] 2

ERE
:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Math]]
[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cursed Items]]

explain xkcd:Sandbox

2022-05-04T04:11:09Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

explain xkcd:Sandbox

2022-05-04T04:10:00Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

explain xkcd:Sandbox

2022-05-04T04:09:38Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

explain xkcd:Sandbox

2022-05-04T04:09:17Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

Talk:1631: Longer Than Usual

2022-05-03T23:23:43Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

Can we keep this as the explanation? [[User:Untothebreach|Untothebreach]] ([[User talk:Untothebreach|talk]]) 08:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:I deleted the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.13|108.162.221.13]] 13:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

the "orgasm" part of the interpretation feel really shaky, i don't believe it to be what the strip is about; Gmail and firefox are not exclusive user of those specific messages, i am not sure whether an extended or complete list would help[[Special:Contributions/108.162.228.161|108.162.228.161]] 09:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:Eh, it seems right to me unless "maybe we should just go to bed" is a quote from something. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.131|108.162.241.131]] 10:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::Only thing I can place is a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Go_to_Bed_(The_Cure_song)|Cure song]], Robert Smith has appeared in XKCD before [[User:Kev|Kev]] ([[User talk:Kev|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Understanding this comic seems to be taking longer than usual... oh, yes, OK, two responses to a single observation made in quite different situations. I think I'll just go to bed. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.32|198.41.238.32]] 11:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not completely convinced. The explanation is the first thing I thought of, but "bed" makes it awkward. Aren't you typically ''in'' bed, when the second thing happens? If that's the intended meaning, it seems ''so'' much better to use "sleep" that it makes me wonder if I am missing something. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.135|108.162.241.135]] 16:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::You are thinking about it too logically :). Think more colloquially. When two people are "sleeping together" we don't consider them to be sharing a bed during a nocturnal rest cycle, we all know what is really happening. In fact, they may never "sleep together" in the literal application for all the "sleeping" they do.--[[User:R0hrshach|R0hrshach]] ([[User talk:R0hrshach|talk]]) 17:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm completely unconvinced. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.53|198.41.235.53]] 17:46, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::"aren't you typically in bed...?" Oh no, definitely not. Randall's past comics have included numerous instances of out-of-bed stimulation and experimentation; and note the key word "just" in "just go to bed." Imagining some such activity just adds to the humor.[[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 02:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes if you have not spotted those that would be an [[940: Oversight|Oversight]] ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

At first, I read it as 'maybe I/you should just go to bed', in which case it would merely be about the user being online too late. But 'we' seems a deliberate reference to two people. That makes the 'sex' meaning a lot more plausible. {{unsigned ip|108.162.242.135}}

I don't know about most places, but where I live, when lag ''stops'' I know I need to go to bed (Lag from ~7pm to 10pm) —[[User:Artyer|Artyer]] <big>([[User Talk:Artyer|talk]]<big>'''|'''</big>[[Special:Contributions/Artyer|ctb]])</big> 16:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

What was X. K. C. D. doing there? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 23:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

1631: Longer Than Usual

2022-05-03T23:22:35Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: uhhh, what are you doing, talk?

{{comic
| number = 1631
| date = January 18, 2016
| title = Longer Than Usual
| image = longer_than_usual.png
| titletext = '--> [ Well, this is embarrassing. ] <--'
}}

==Explanation==
The comic starts a small flow chart with "This seems to be taking longer than usual." It then presents two alternative continuations of the sentence, which radically alter the interpretation of the starting sentence, resulting in humor.

"This seems to be taking longer than usual" is an error message displayed by {{w|Gmail}} (see [https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/2753861?hl=en here]) and other software, for example {{w|Disqus}}, (see [https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/1410995-troubleshooting-common-error-messages here]). We realize the allusion to Gmail by the first continuation, "Try reloading Gmail if the problem persists".

In the second continuation, "Maybe we should just go to bed", the opening instead refers to a person suffering from {{w|Sexual dysfunction|sexual performance anxiety}}, taking "longer than usual" to achieve either {{w|orgasm}} or {{w|erection}}, probably despite considerable efforts of their partner. Often such frustration then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that renders orgasm/erection virtually impossible by ruining the mood. In such situations it is likely that one or the other partner becomes frustrated and gives up, suggesting "let's go to bed" instead of 'pointlessly' continuing the sexual activity.

The title text ties both interpretations together by referencing an infamous [http://www.howtogeek.com/135351/how-to-troubleshoot-mozilla-firefox-crashes/ error message] given by the {{w|Firefox|Firefox internet browser}}. As an error message, it fits nicely with the Gmail interpretation of the comic, though it is equally likely to be used as an apology or frustrated slight in the sexual interpretation. It would be a likely next line after "this is taking longer than usual". Alternatively, it would be embarrassing to get the two responses confused, thus necessitating a flowchart as a guide.

It could also simply be a jab to people who stay online late even when doing nothing, as when a lag occurs, and finally realising it might be better to switch off the computer and go to bed; or people who stay up late obsessed that "[[386|Someone is wrong on the internet]]".

This is not the first time [[Randall]] juxtaposes sex and more abstract topics, such as sex and math in [[487: Numerical Sex Positions]] or sex and engineering in [[592: Drama]]

==Transcript==
:[A flowchart with one starting bubble at the top. Two arrows goes left and right below this bobble to two other bobbles.]
:Top: "This seems to be taking longer than usual-"

:Left: "-Try reloading Gmail if the problem persists."

:Right: "-Maybe we should just go to bed."

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Flowcharts]]
[[Category:Sex]]
[[Category:Internet]]

2614: 2

2022-05-03T22:24:33Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

<div style="display: none">crap</div><noinclude>:''This page refers to the comic named "2". For comic #2, see [[2: Petit Trees (sketch)]].''</noinclude>
{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by A VERY JEALOUS NUMBER ₃½ⁿ₇₇₇ⅥⅣ₆⁸⁴⁴½⅔⅜ↆ↉↉∂, WHO DEMANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WEBCOMIC NEXT - Please change this comment when editing this page. The titletext needs to be worked in there, but I think I got everything else in some sort of order, pending general improvements. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. Whilst these typefaces are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration of where adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to it's second power).

The dotted box represents any character (presumably a letter or bigram of letters). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, in various fashions with occasional additional punctuation, and labelled as to what the 'purpose' might normally be of any particular element(s) as indicated, with respect to the general term, in the following fashions:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people. {{Citation needed}}
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of Hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, i.e. deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent tetration, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, "2He" indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains, and thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence meaningful in its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number where it can be indicative of the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent pentation, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}, in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by a second copy of itself, and a fairly typical mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page, with additional information that would not be appropriate or easily comprehendable to edit into the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]]
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g. establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realms of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices!
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}, e.g. "f(2)", which means that you should take the value (in this case 2) and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics already described, i.e. at {{w|Secondary school|High School}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. This may be somewhat beyond high-school level.{{citation needed}}
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers.
:It does not make sense to have a single number there, as indicated in the alt text. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'. The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable, i.e. you Σ the argument over all values of i. In the "2" case, the alt text says you "you 2 the argument over all values of 2", i.e. the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable. 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
:: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and [[Category:Cursed_Connectors]]. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural have demonstrable implications on science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parenthises]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parenthises:] 2

:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Math]]
[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cursed Items]]

2614: 2

2022-05-03T22:20:31Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

<div style="display: none">crap</div><noinclude>:''This page refers to the comic named "2". For comic #2, see [[2: Petit Trees (sketch)]].''</noinclude>
{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by A VERY JEALOUS NUMBER ₃½ⁿ₇₇₇ⅥⅣ₆⁸⁴⁴½⅔⅜ↆ↉↉∂, WHO DEMANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WEBCOMIC NEXT - Please change this comment when editing this page. The titletext needs to be worked in there, but I think I got everything else in some sort of order, pending general improvements. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. Whilst these typefaces are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration of where adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to it's second power).

The dotted box represents any character (presumably a letter or bigram of letters). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, in various fashions with occasional additional punctuation, and labelled as to what the 'purpose' might normally be of any particular element(s) as indicated, with respect to the general term, in the following fashions:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people. {{Citation needed}}
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of Hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, i.e. deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent tetration, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, "2He" indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains, and thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence meaningful in its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number where it can be indicative of the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent pentation, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}, in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by a second copy of itself, and a fairly typical mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page, with additional information that would not be appropriate or easily comprehendable to edit into the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]]
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g. establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realms of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices!
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}, e.g. "f(2)", which means that you should take the value (in this case 2) and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics already described, i.e. at {{w|Secondary school|High School}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. This may be somewhat beyond high-school level.{{citation needed}}
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers.
:It does not make sense to have a single number there, as indicated in the alt text. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'. The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable, i.e. you Σ the argument over all values of i. In the "2" case, the alt text says you "you 2 the argument over all values of 2", i.e. the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable. 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
:: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and [[Category:Cursed_Connectors|Cursed connectors]]. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural have demonstrable implications on science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parenthises]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parenthises:] 2

:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Math]]
[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cursed Items]]

2614: 2

2022-05-03T20:41:52Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

<noinclude>:''This page refers to the comic named "2". For comic #2, see [[2: Petit Trees (sketch)]].''</noinclude>
{{comic
| number = 2614
| date = May 2, 2022
| title = 2
| image = 2.png
| titletext = It's like sigma summation notation, except instead of summing the argument over all values of i, you 2 the argument over all values of 2.
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by A VERY JEALOUS NUMBER ₃½ⁿ₇₇₇ⅥⅣ₆⁸⁴⁴½⅔⅜ↆ↉↉∂, WHO DEMANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN WEBCOMIC NEXT - Please change this comment when editing this page. The titletext needs to be worked in there, but I think I got everything else in some sort of order, pending general improvements. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

This demonstrates the different ways in which the number 2 can be typeset in various scientific fields. Whilst these typefaces are used with any number, using the number 2 in this instance provides a clear illustration of where adding numbers can signify either a feature of a concept (such as the number of electrons in an atom) or a mathematical operation on it (such as raising a value to it's second power).

The dotted box represents any character (presumably a letter or bigram of letters). All the other notation consists only of the digit 2, in various fashions with occasional additional punctuation, and labelled as to what the 'purpose' might normally be of any particular element(s) as indicated, with respect to the general term, in the following fashions:
;Regular Math
:Precedes the term. "2x" indicates two times the value of ''x'' in normal {{w|algebra|algebraic}} use that should be familiar for many people. {{Citation needed}}
;Physics
:A preceding superscript. "2H" would indicate the particular {{w|isotope}} of Hydrogen with the atomic weight of two, i.e. deuterium, which is most often encountered when working with the atomic level of matter where the total number of neutrons and protons in the atom is important. It can also represent tetration, which is iterated exponentiation.
;Chemical Physics
:A preceding subscript, "2He" indicates the atomic number of an atom, which is the number of protons it contains, and thus a guide to the number of electrons its unionised form usually has and hence meaningful in its potential chemical interactions with other atoms. This should be invariant for any particular named element, but is usually given simultaneously with the presuperscripted mass number where it can be indicative of the applicable nuclear physics. {{w|Chemical Physics}} is a subdiscipline of physics and chemistry and **must never** be confused with {{w|Physical Chemistry}}. It can also represent pentation, which is iterated tetration.
;Regular Math or Footnotes
:A trailing superscript is typical of a {{w|Exponentiation|power value}}, in this case "x²" would be ''x'' multiplied by a second copy of itself, and a fairly typical mathematical standard.
:Additionally, superscripted numbers are one common way to mark words in a line of text in a way to refer to a {{w|Note (typography)|footnote}}, typically placed at the bottom of the page, with additional information that would not be appropriate or easily comprehendable to edit into the main text itself. The ambiguity between footnotes and exponents was used in [[1184: Circumference Formula]]
;Chemistry
:A trailing subscript is used in chemistry to indicate a multiple of the element (or group of elements, in brackets) in a {{w|chemical formula}}. "H2O" indicates two hydrogen atoms bond with a single oxygen atom in a molecule of water.
;Matrices! ("2,2")
:Extending the trailing subscript with a comma-separated value usually indicates a multidimensional array (e.g. establishing a 2-by-2 square of numbers, or this particular position in such an array), which is in the realms of {{w|Matrix (mathematics)|matrix mathematics}}. This is a little bit beyond 'everyday algebra' for many people, as seemingly indicated by the exclamation of the mere mention of matrices!
;The Physicists Are At It Again ("2;2")
:This label encompasses a mark that turns the prior comma into a semicolon, as part of the trailing subscript. This is a common notation for the {{w|Covariant derivative}} of a tensor field, which is commonly used in the mathematics of general relativity.
;Either High School Math Function or Incomprehensible Group Theory
:The number 2 in parentheses that follow a term would normally be the argument to a {{w|Function (mathematics)|function}}, e.g. "f(2)", which means that you should take the value (in this case 2) and find the result if manipulated by the predefined function ''f''. It is generally taught as part of algebraic mathematics already described, i.e. at {{w|Secondary school|High School}}.
:In {{w|group theory}}, however, the number 2 in parentheses could indicate a cyclic subgroup or ideal generated by two or a special case of cycle notation for elements of symmetry groups used to mean an element that keeps 2 fixed. This may be somewhat beyond high-school level.{{citation needed}}
;Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.
:A symbol centered underneath another symbol is normally reserved for doing summations, where the big symbol is Σ, or some other operation applied to a sequence of numbers.
:It does not make sense to have a single number there, as indicated in the alt text. As with [[2529: Unsolved Math Problems|other things]] in Randall's comic universe, the explanation for this particular anomaly is that it is 'Cursed'. The usage mentioned in the alt text is an operation (Σ, summation) over a variable usually indicated by a letter such as i, where the operation is performed over all values of the variable, i.e. you Σ the argument over all values of i. In the "2" case, the alt text says you "you 2 the argument over all values of 2", i.e. the Σ operation has been replaced by the "2" operation and the i variable has been replaced by the "2" variable. 2 is usually not an operation, though the definition of 2 under {{w|Church_encoding#Church_numerals|church encoding}} is a function that takes in and produces functions. However, 2 is not a variable (and definitely not both at the same time).
:: Things being cursed is a common trope within recent XKCD comics which have mentioned items including [[2332:_Cursed_Chair|Cursed chairs]] and [[2507:_USV-C|Cursed connectors]]. This notation is one of the few occasions where the supernatural have demonstrable implications on science and mathematics for those foolhardy enough to use it.

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[An apparent generalisation of a scientific expression consisting of a dotted rectangular 'box' outline, left empty, and various commonly-themed symbology around it:]

:[as normal text, to the left of all the rest:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate left of the box:] 2
:[superscript to the immediate right of the box:] 2
:[subscript also to the immediate right of the box:] 2;2 [i.e. separated by a semicolon]
:[as normal text, to the right of almost all the rest:] (2) [i.e. enclosed in standard parenthises]
:[smaller subscript, centered immediately beneath the 2 within the parenthises:] 2

:[Further details are drawn in grey tone, around or near various of the elements of the expression:]
;[Captions above the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftmost 2:] Regular Math
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards superscript 2:] Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to the rightwards superscript 2:] Regular math or footnotes
:[with an arrow pointing to the parenthetical 2 at the right:] Either high school math functions or incomprehensible group theory

;[Captions below the numbers]
:[with an arrow pointing to the leftwards subscript 2:] Chemical Physics
:[with an arrow pointing to just the rightwards subscript 2:] Chemistry
:[with an arrow pointing to a distorted grey ring snaking around only the comma of the semicolon and the following 2 of the rightmost subscript:] Matrices!
:[with an arrow pointing to a larger grey ring that passes fully around the whole semicolon and final 2 of the rightmost subscript:] The physicists are at it again
:[with an arrow pointing to the small 2 placed below the parenthetical 2:] Oh no. Whatever this is, it's cursed.

{{comic discussion}}
[[Category:Math]]
[[Category:Physics]]
[[Category:Chemistry]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cursed Items]]

Talk:2601: Instructions

2022-04-04T05:47:23Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

;Turtle graphics
So these are instructions for a turtle graphics program. The audio is drawn from https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3, a 9 hour 7 minute 12 second long audio file It's generated by feeding turtle code into a text-to-speech program, but idk which language or which program. If you can convert the speech back to text, somehow without ruining the formatting (or just do a lot of editing with regex until it looks right), you could feed it into a turtle graphics program and get the resulting drawing.
:If you're not familiar with Turtle and Logo, look at this [[https://www.tutorialspoint.com/logo/logo_quick_guide.htm|quick guide]]. The short version is that these commands move a little cursor, called a turtle, which draws a line as it moves and turns. At this time, contributors have applied a few different computer transcriptions to the entire audio. There are quotes about turtles from a variety of sources intermixed with Logo code. It is expected that some correction to the code is needed, such as adding parenthesis that are not spoken in the audio. Standard Logo commands found in the audio are: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), and FORWARD (N). Some custom functions are defined, including DIST (N) (N) (N) (N), LERP (N) (N) (N), MIX (N) (N), CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N), and SQUARE (N) (N). The next steps are to test the transcripts of these custom functions in a Logo interpreter, at which point we can begin drawing the picture. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 02:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
: The picture indeed will be Bob Ross. The first hour of radio has him saying, "A happy little tree - holding up a happy little world." We can coordinate transcribing this code at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository]. Credit for this progress goes to the GitHub owner. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the current image on this page is. Is that the drawing you get by following these instructions? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 20:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
: Wait I see now, that is the actual image for the comic. It just gets covered up by the button so I can't see it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.87|172.70.126.87]] 21:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, it looks like someone realized it's actually longer than that. After downloading it, I found it to be 131,329,389 bytes. The Windows Properties viewer claims it is 8h41m08s in length, but that's wrong. It is actually 9h07m06s. By the way, the code is in the Logo language. He seems to have copied this from a book, but I don't know which one. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 21:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Worth taking a look at? I can start looking for books that contain that text[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:The automatic speech system is using standard punctuation processing, meaning that critical marks for the code aren't being announced. You can't get the code from the samples without filling in the blanks after getting a transcript. [[User:N|N]] ([[User talk:N|talk]]) 22:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The MP3 file ends with this text: "''I even talk to turtles at times. But you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our life typing, looking, but never ever seeing.''" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.222.151|162.158.222.151]] 21:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

april fools' comic? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 21:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's an April Fool's joke. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.148|108.162.238.148]] 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Well is it 2022/04/01 [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.189|141.101.77.189]] 21:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Broken Version

I think mine's broken. I don't get it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.91|172.70.130.91]] 21:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:You press the radio button, it selects it, then you can press it a zillion times in any pattern and all it ever does is blink the entire image. Nothing else ever appears other than the radio button, and there’s never any sound so pressing the speaker in the corner to supposedly turn it on or off is also completely pointless.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.65|172.70.126.65]] 23:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Alright, it’s April 2nd now, so if all of you have been LYING about it actually doing something, just playing along with the joke, you can admit it now.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.153|172.70.130.153]] 18:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Did it only work on American April 1st, or only for some people? It's the third of April here now, and it's still a boring button that clicks on once and does nothing else. Have I missed it? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.13|108.162.249.13]] 20:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given the alt text "happy little turtles" and the tone of the narration I assume we're supposed to pretend the narrator is Bob Ross guiding us to creating an artistic masterpiece with Logo [[Special:Contributions/172.70.211.72|172.70.211.72]] 21:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Guys, it's been HOURS and the transcription is still incomplete. Step it up! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77|172.70.162.77]] 21:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:Not even sure what the transcript should be. I did my best[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::I have a feeling this might be one of the longest transcripts on the site. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.43|108.162.245.43]] 21:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Wanna bet? [[1608: Hoverboard/Transcript]]... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Or [[980: Money/Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Up until someone automates the process, I'll be working on the transcript and saving it in exkcd in parts (: Don't worry too much about edit overrides, I'll be transcribing in a google doc to avoid that! --[[User:Char Latte49|Wielder of the Staple Gun]] ([[User talk:Char Latte49|talk]]) 21:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:The sections about turtles between the code blocks seems to be from

Interesting Facts About Turtles
A Little Nature Study by a Scientist that will Interest Old and Young Naturalists Alike
By Randle C. Rosenberger M. D., Professor of Hygiene and Bacteriology, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, Pa.
https://archive.org/stream/foreststream861916newy/foreststream861916newy_djvu.txt

The uni.xkcd version of this comic also just shows the turtle like this article. So much for uses two April Fools comics against each other ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.77|172.70.114.77]] 22:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I ran the MP3 through Amazon Transcribe. It can do only 4 hours at a time, so I had to split the original file. I went from start to 03:59:59, 03:59:59 to 07:59:58, and 07:59:58 to end. Amazon Transcribe also gave me some subtitle files (index 1). They have time codes in them. So if someone wanted to note the times of the little quips, and host the audio file somewhere where links to the middle of the file can be generated (like YouTube), that could be cool. Below are the transcriptions for analysis. Replace X with 1, 2, or 3; and replace Y with json, srt, or vtt. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:<code><nowiki>https://pgn674.s3.amazonaws.com/xkcd-2601/xkcd-2601-X.Y</nowiki></code>
:: No need to host anything special. Let's say we want to jump to time code 02:35:14.840 from the vtt subtitle file #1 (line 7084, subtitle 1771). 2*60*60+35*60+14=9314. Subtract a few seconds, and make a link like this. Click here to learn about turtle noises: https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=9310 [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::: I went and found all mentions of "turtle", extracted those lines, and generated links to them. Programmatically. If anyone wants to go through and do some manual review and fine tuning, go ahead. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 00:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I threw Adobe Premiere Pro at it: https://anonfiles.com/pbYfK7Sax4/radio_csv; and https://anonfiles.com/35YbKeScxe/radio_txt are the results. Note: these transcribe until 07:01:28:19. I am currently in the process of making APP suffer more and churn out the last two hours. --[[User:ẞ qwertz|ẞ qwertz]] ([[User talk:ẞ qwertz|talk]]) 23:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

So... what language is this? I'm hearing: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), FORWARD (N) - all of which are standard LOGO commands. But I'm also hearing something that sounds like CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N) (N) (N), though it could also be QBIT, or text-to-speech for something like "^3". Either way it's NOT a standard LOGO command, so suggests it's a variant. Does not seem to be KTurtle, POOL, UCBLogo. QLogo, FMSLogo, and then I got bored searching. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:In the automatic transcription it has "Two cubic colon X one colon Y one colon X two"... which would be TO CUBIC :X1 :Y1 :X2 ... so it is defined above. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.230|162.158.107.230]] 01:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Yes, some of the commands seem to be defined at the top. CUBIC at the top, SQUARE maybe somewhere else. So a shortcut to decyphering it might be to just extract and render all the cubes from the "CUBIC" and "SQUARE" commands, given their values. But what format are the cubes? Are they even the coordinates of cubes? For both commands, the six numbers seem to be in the format A B A B A B where the As and Bs are similar or even in some cases identical, which seems a strange thing for a cube:
<blockquote><pre>
SetXY -443 412
PenDown
Square -443 405 -443 397 -444 390
</pre></blockquote>
The definition seems to be something like:
<blockquote><pre>
ToCubic : X1 : Y1 : X2 : Y2 : Ex : Ey --- Parameter definitions?
local Make " X0 XCor --- Local variable definitions?
Local Make " Y0 YCor
Local Make " ErrX1 Lerp : X0 : X 0.25
local Make " ErrY1 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.25
Local Make " ErrX2 Lerp : X0 : Ex 0.75
Local Make " ErrY2 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.75
IfElse
Or
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX1 : ErrY1 : X1 : Y1
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX2 : ErrY2 : X2 : Y2
[
Local Make " Qx0 mix : X0 : X1
Local Make " Qy0 mix : Y0 : Y1
Local Make " Qx1 mix : X1 : X2
Local Make " qy1 Mix : Y1 : Y2
Local Make " Qx2 mix : X2 : EX
Local Make " Qy2 mix : Y2 : Ey
Local Make " Lx0 mix : Qx0 : QX1
Local Make " Ly0 mix : Qy0 : QY1
Local Make " Lx1 Mix : Qx1 : Qx2
Local Make " Ly1 Mix : qy1 : Q
Local Make " PmX Mix : Lx0 : Lx1
Local Make " PmY Mix : Ly0 : LY1
Cubic : Qx0 : qy0 : Lx0 : Ly0 : PmX : PmY
Cubic : Lx1 : Ly1 : Qx2 : Qy2 : Ex : Ey
]
[
SetXY : Ex : Ey
]
</pre></blockquote>
Least, that's what it sounds like, but I suspect round brackets and suchlike are not spoken aloud :( --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.95|108.162.221.95]] 01:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

: Maybe it's implementing a cubic spline interpolation, not a tridimensional cube. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.214|172.70.131.214]] 11:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Feels like the speech processing is lossy, so generating the code will be a lengthy labor of love transcribing it, then debugging it, trying to fill the gaps. The code may also have been fed through an automated "Bob Ross filter" which may have lost even more data. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

About a quarter of the way into the text is the line "You know, I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down!" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.215|162.158.78.215]] 00:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

it's concerning that the only real way we'll be able to figure this comic out is to compile the entire 9 hour computer-generated voice speech. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 01:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:Anyone actually doing any transcribing of this audio text is a true April Fools' fool, hence the reason to release this on April 1st. But I'd still like to see what the Fools' come up with :-D --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm moving all things about audio transcription here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]], both the real transcript and peoples very long comments in the main discussion, to keep the main page short and keep loading time down. The comments from here go in the [[Talk:2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript|discussion]] for that page --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

OMG, fond memories of LOGO! I'm in a loud bar at the moment so I can't listen, and I'm not listening to NINE HOURS anyway, LOL! Everybody DOES realize, someone needs to extract the program and run it in LOGO, right? I would guarantee this draws something interesting and/or stupid. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 03:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I found a [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository] for transcription. May be of use to you guys for adding more info and citations to this Wiki. By the way, I didn't know this wiki existed. I don't want to create an account for it right now so good luck guys ;-; 04:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried running some code through "ucblogo" on a Linux distro, but didn't get very far with it. ---Tim 04:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given that the audio is generated by text-to-speech, could a source-aware speech-to-text work better (fewer errors and less manual correction) than a generic one? For example, finding the right text-to-speech, extracting a sound for each phoneme, and then searching for near-identical snippets of waveform, seems like it could potentially be more reliable than the generic neural nets which are primarily trained for real human speech. Or even training a neural net on the same text-to-speech source, with a big block of sample data, if that would help distinguish homophones. Presumably someone here is good enough at this sort of thing to try that? [[User:Sqek|Sqek]] ([[User talk:Sqek|talk]]) 10:05, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I think that the original comment at the top is the best approach. Using the speech-to-text data posted yesterday, and doing some simple regsubs, I can get it into good enough shape that I can proceed to transcribe the whole program by editing the file while listening to the audio, in real time. "In real time" means nine hours to correctly transcribe the whole thing. So any other approach would have to do better than nine hours. Plus if somebody put a little effort into organization, the transcription can be parallelized and so completed in nine hours / N transcribers. ---Tim [[Special:Contributions/172.70.38.41|172.70.38.41]] 13:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I was helping with this last night, and here are the major steps we've done to interpret the code and who has helped, I think.
* [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] Used AWS to make a transcription of the audio, which we have been building from
* [[Special:Contributions/172.68.118.59|172.68.118.59]] Transcribed the critical functions at the top of the transcription
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Found a working interpreter and set up a collaboration space at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 a GitHub repo], and has since been maintaining the code
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Also transcribed the first hour and got us our view of a partial picture
* [https://github.com/somebody1234 somebody1234] Got a messy but runnable version of the entire transcription and a view of the entire picture with errors
* Many people are transcribing bits of audio and submitting to GitHub. Here is the list of [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601/graphs/contributors contributors]
[[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 15:06, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the image to that which is seen on xkcd when loading the comic. It has not been updated on this page yet as of when I write this. But the turtle is of course not the comic, but a placeholder for those webcrawlers that would fail when trying to download the radio button. I have also added info on this in the current explanation. As I have made a link to a new sub page for the looong audio transcript and removed all of that from this page and discussion and put it here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I started planning to write some code to figure this out, but moved on to other things after a few hours, due to psychological issues I have. The draft just runs the audio through the start of a random speech to text model. I trained a tokenizer around the logo code but didn't move farther. There are a lot of possible next steps, some of which others have mentioned. A simple approach would be to finetune the model around the hand-transcribed data. https://colab.research.google.com/gist/xloem/4310a26b6c9d13adac14307b948157d3/untitled4.ipynb [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.147|172.70.114.147]] 23:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Any plans to exkcd the "real" comic that gets drawn by the LOGO code in the audio? I mean, I recognize, e. g., the Mars rover and Ursa Major, but what's the significance of the vacuum decay here, for instance? [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:Now that the project is complete, we should add the resulting image on this page (not just a link to github). It'll be what folks are looking for first. And then we can start identifying the many references in the picture and turtle quotes. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
::well, i added the picture. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 08:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It was wonderful watching all of this unfold. Great work everyone. I don't have an account here, nor on github, but I thought I'd mention that the makesvg.py uses the ':=' operator which was introduced in python 3.8. Not all of us have it on our creaky old machines. Maybe add a comment in the usage at the top of the file? Or better, refactor the .py?
-- [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 14:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a trick to making it work? I've tried both Firefox and Chrome. I hear the narration and can toggle the mute, but it never draws the picture for me. I have enabled JavaScript and I have disabled Privacy Badger, NoSCript, and uBlock Origin and still no joy. I did find the final drawing so I've seen the animation via GIF.
--[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.221|108.162.221.221]]
:: Signing with triple tilde puts the WRONG IP address for me! My IP is NOT 108.162.221.221, my IP is 47.186.56.37. What gives????
:: --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.221|108.162.221.221]]
::: i'm trying to find a way to say this that doesn't sound condescending, but do you actually think the comic draws the picture or are you using https://benediktwerner.github.io/xkcd-2601-drawer/ ? if it's the former, the comic does not draw the picture. if it's the latter, you have to click the "use the latest code" button and *then* click draw. again, i know that sounded super condescending, pls don't think i'm trying to be mean. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

does this comic *technically* feature beret guy, ponytail, etc or not. they're not *in* the comic, but it could be said to feature them. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

What is <pre>CUBIC</pre>? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 05:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2601: Instructions

2022-04-04T05:46:50Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

;Turtle graphics
So these are instructions for a turtle graphics program. The audio is drawn from https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3, a 9 hour 7 minute 12 second long audio file It's generated by feeding turtle code into a text-to-speech program, but idk which language or which program. If you can convert the speech back to text, somehow without ruining the formatting (or just do a lot of editing with regex until it looks right), you could feed it into a turtle graphics program and get the resulting drawing.
:If you're not familiar with Turtle and Logo, look at this [[https://www.tutorialspoint.com/logo/logo_quick_guide.htm|quick guide]]. The short version is that these commands move a little cursor, called a turtle, which draws a line as it moves and turns. At this time, contributors have applied a few different computer transcriptions to the entire audio. There are quotes about turtles from a variety of sources intermixed with Logo code. It is expected that some correction to the code is needed, such as adding parenthesis that are not spoken in the audio. Standard Logo commands found in the audio are: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), and FORWARD (N). Some custom functions are defined, including DIST (N) (N) (N) (N), LERP (N) (N) (N), MIX (N) (N), CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N), and SQUARE (N) (N). The next steps are to test the transcripts of these custom functions in a Logo interpreter, at which point we can begin drawing the picture. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 02:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
: The picture indeed will be Bob Ross. The first hour of radio has him saying, "A happy little tree - holding up a happy little world." We can coordinate transcribing this code at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository]. Credit for this progress goes to the GitHub owner. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the current image on this page is. Is that the drawing you get by following these instructions? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 20:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
: Wait I see now, that is the actual image for the comic. It just gets covered up by the button so I can't see it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.87|172.70.126.87]] 21:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, it looks like someone realized it's actually longer than that. After downloading it, I found it to be 131,329,389 bytes. The Windows Properties viewer claims it is 8h41m08s in length, but that's wrong. It is actually 9h07m06s. By the way, the code is in the Logo language. He seems to have copied this from a book, but I don't know which one. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 21:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Worth taking a look at? I can start looking for books that contain that text[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:The automatic speech system is using standard punctuation processing, meaning that critical marks for the code aren't being announced. You can't get the code from the samples without filling in the blanks after getting a transcript. [[User:N|N]] ([[User talk:N|talk]]) 22:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The MP3 file ends with this text: "''I even talk to turtles at times. But you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our life typing, looking, but never ever seeing.''" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.222.151|162.158.222.151]] 21:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

april fools' comic? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 21:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's an April Fool's joke. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.148|108.162.238.148]] 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Well is it 2022/04/01 [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.189|141.101.77.189]] 21:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Broken Version

I think mine's broken. I don't get it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.91|172.70.130.91]] 21:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:You press the radio button, it selects it, then you can press it a zillion times in any pattern and all it ever does is blink the entire image. Nothing else ever appears other than the radio button, and there’s never any sound so pressing the speaker in the corner to supposedly turn it on or off is also completely pointless.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.65|172.70.126.65]] 23:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Alright, it’s April 2nd now, so if all of you have been LYING about it actually doing something, just playing along with the joke, you can admit it now.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.153|172.70.130.153]] 18:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Did it only work on American April 1st, or only for some people? It's the third of April here now, and it's still a boring button that clicks on once and does nothing else. Have I missed it? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.13|108.162.249.13]] 20:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given the alt text "happy little turtles" and the tone of the narration I assume we're supposed to pretend the narrator is Bob Ross guiding us to creating an artistic masterpiece with Logo [[Special:Contributions/172.70.211.72|172.70.211.72]] 21:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Guys, it's been HOURS and the transcription is still incomplete. Step it up! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77|172.70.162.77]] 21:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:Not even sure what the transcript should be. I did my best[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::I have a feeling this might be one of the longest transcripts on the site. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.43|108.162.245.43]] 21:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Wanna bet? [[1608: Hoverboard/Transcript]]... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Or [[980: Money/Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Up until someone automates the process, I'll be working on the transcript and saving it in exkcd in parts (: Don't worry too much about edit overrides, I'll be transcribing in a google doc to avoid that! --[[User:Char Latte49|Wielder of the Staple Gun]] ([[User talk:Char Latte49|talk]]) 21:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:The sections about turtles between the code blocks seems to be from

Interesting Facts About Turtles
A Little Nature Study by a Scientist that will Interest Old and Young Naturalists Alike
By Randle C. Rosenberger M. D., Professor of Hygiene and Bacteriology, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, Pa.
https://archive.org/stream/foreststream861916newy/foreststream861916newy_djvu.txt

The uni.xkcd version of this comic also just shows the turtle like this article. So much for uses two April Fools comics against each other ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.77|172.70.114.77]] 22:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I ran the MP3 through Amazon Transcribe. It can do only 4 hours at a time, so I had to split the original file. I went from start to 03:59:59, 03:59:59 to 07:59:58, and 07:59:58 to end. Amazon Transcribe also gave me some subtitle files (index 1). They have time codes in them. So if someone wanted to note the times of the little quips, and host the audio file somewhere where links to the middle of the file can be generated (like YouTube), that could be cool. Below are the transcriptions for analysis. Replace X with 1, 2, or 3; and replace Y with json, srt, or vtt. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:<code><nowiki>https://pgn674.s3.amazonaws.com/xkcd-2601/xkcd-2601-X.Y</nowiki></code>
:: No need to host anything special. Let's say we want to jump to time code 02:35:14.840 from the vtt subtitle file #1 (line 7084, subtitle 1771). 2*60*60+35*60+14=9314. Subtract a few seconds, and make a link like this. Click here to learn about turtle noises: https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=9310 [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::: I went and found all mentions of "turtle", extracted those lines, and generated links to them. Programmatically. If anyone wants to go through and do some manual review and fine tuning, go ahead. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 00:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I threw Adobe Premiere Pro at it: https://anonfiles.com/pbYfK7Sax4/radio_csv; and https://anonfiles.com/35YbKeScxe/radio_txt are the results. Note: these transcribe until 07:01:28:19. I am currently in the process of making APP suffer more and churn out the last two hours. --[[User:ẞ qwertz|ẞ qwertz]] ([[User talk:ẞ qwertz|talk]]) 23:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

So... what language is this? I'm hearing: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), FORWARD (N) - all of which are standard LOGO commands. But I'm also hearing something that sounds like CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N) (N) (N), though it could also be QBIT, or text-to-speech for something like "^3". Either way it's NOT a standard LOGO command, so suggests it's a variant. Does not seem to be KTurtle, POOL, UCBLogo. QLogo, FMSLogo, and then I got bored searching. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:In the automatic transcription it has "Two cubic colon X one colon Y one colon X two"... which would be TO CUBIC :X1 :Y1 :X2 ... so it is defined above. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.230|162.158.107.230]] 01:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Yes, some of the commands seem to be defined at the top. CUBIC at the top, SQUARE maybe somewhere else. So a shortcut to decyphering it might be to just extract and render all the cubes from the "CUBIC" and "SQUARE" commands, given their values. But what format are the cubes? Are they even the coordinates of cubes? For both commands, the six numbers seem to be in the format A B A B A B where the As and Bs are similar or even in some cases identical, which seems a strange thing for a cube:
<blockquote><pre>
SetXY -443 412
PenDown
Square -443 405 -443 397 -444 390
</pre></blockquote>
The definition seems to be something like:
<blockquote><pre>
ToCubic : X1 : Y1 : X2 : Y2 : Ex : Ey --- Parameter definitions?
local Make " X0 XCor --- Local variable definitions?
Local Make " Y0 YCor
Local Make " ErrX1 Lerp : X0 : X 0.25
local Make " ErrY1 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.25
Local Make " ErrX2 Lerp : X0 : Ex 0.75
Local Make " ErrY2 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.75
IfElse
Or
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX1 : ErrY1 : X1 : Y1
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX2 : ErrY2 : X2 : Y2
[
Local Make " Qx0 mix : X0 : X1
Local Make " Qy0 mix : Y0 : Y1
Local Make " Qx1 mix : X1 : X2
Local Make " qy1 Mix : Y1 : Y2
Local Make " Qx2 mix : X2 : EX
Local Make " Qy2 mix : Y2 : Ey
Local Make " Lx0 mix : Qx0 : QX1
Local Make " Ly0 mix : Qy0 : QY1
Local Make " Lx1 Mix : Qx1 : Qx2
Local Make " Ly1 Mix : qy1 : Q
Local Make " PmX Mix : Lx0 : Lx1
Local Make " PmY Mix : Ly0 : LY1
Cubic : Qx0 : qy0 : Lx0 : Ly0 : PmX : PmY
Cubic : Lx1 : Ly1 : Qx2 : Qy2 : Ex : Ey
]
[
SetXY : Ex : Ey
]
</pre></blockquote>
Least, that's what it sounds like, but I suspect round brackets and suchlike are not spoken aloud :( --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.95|108.162.221.95]] 01:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

: Maybe it's implementing a cubic spline interpolation, not a tridimensional cube. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.214|172.70.131.214]] 11:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Feels like the speech processing is lossy, so generating the code will be a lengthy labor of love transcribing it, then debugging it, trying to fill the gaps. The code may also have been fed through an automated "Bob Ross filter" which may have lost even more data. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

About a quarter of the way into the text is the line "You know, I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down!" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.215|162.158.78.215]] 00:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

it's concerning that the only real way we'll be able to figure this comic out is to compile the entire 9 hour computer-generated voice speech. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 01:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:Anyone actually doing any transcribing of this audio text is a true April Fools' fool, hence the reason to release this on April 1st. But I'd still like to see what the Fools' come up with :-D --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm moving all things about audio transcription here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]], both the real transcript and peoples very long comments in the main discussion, to keep the main page short and keep loading time down. The comments from here go in the [[Talk:2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript|discussion]] for that page --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

OMG, fond memories of LOGO! I'm in a loud bar at the moment so I can't listen, and I'm not listening to NINE HOURS anyway, LOL! Everybody DOES realize, someone needs to extract the program and run it in LOGO, right? I would guarantee this draws something interesting and/or stupid. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 03:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I found a [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository] for transcription. May be of use to you guys for adding more info and citations to this Wiki. By the way, I didn't know this wiki existed. I don't want to create an account for it right now so good luck guys ;-; 04:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried running some code through "ucblogo" on a Linux distro, but didn't get very far with it. ---Tim 04:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given that the audio is generated by text-to-speech, could a source-aware speech-to-text work better (fewer errors and less manual correction) than a generic one? For example, finding the right text-to-speech, extracting a sound for each phoneme, and then searching for near-identical snippets of waveform, seems like it could potentially be more reliable than the generic neural nets which are primarily trained for real human speech. Or even training a neural net on the same text-to-speech source, with a big block of sample data, if that would help distinguish homophones. Presumably someone here is good enough at this sort of thing to try that? [[User:Sqek|Sqek]] ([[User talk:Sqek|talk]]) 10:05, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I think that the original comment at the top is the best approach. Using the speech-to-text data posted yesterday, and doing some simple regsubs, I can get it into good enough shape that I can proceed to transcribe the whole program by editing the file while listening to the audio, in real time. "In real time" means nine hours to correctly transcribe the whole thing. So any other approach would have to do better than nine hours. Plus if somebody put a little effort into organization, the transcription can be parallelized and so completed in nine hours / N transcribers. ---Tim [[Special:Contributions/172.70.38.41|172.70.38.41]] 13:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I was helping with this last night, and here are the major steps we've done to interpret the code and who has helped, I think.
* [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] Used AWS to make a transcription of the audio, which we have been building from
* [[Special:Contributions/172.68.118.59|172.68.118.59]] Transcribed the critical functions at the top of the transcription
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Found a working interpreter and set up a collaboration space at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 a GitHub repo], and has since been maintaining the code
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Also transcribed the first hour and got us our view of a partial picture
* [https://github.com/somebody1234 somebody1234] Got a messy but runnable version of the entire transcription and a view of the entire picture with errors
* Many people are transcribing bits of audio and submitting to GitHub. Here is the list of [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601/graphs/contributors contributors]
[[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 15:06, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the image to that which is seen on xkcd when loading the comic. It has not been updated on this page yet as of when I write this. But the turtle is of course not the comic, but a placeholder for those webcrawlers that would fail when trying to download the radio button. I have also added info on this in the current explanation. As I have made a link to a new sub page for the looong audio transcript and removed all of that from this page and discussion and put it here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I started planning to write some code to figure this out, but moved on to other things after a few hours, due to psychological issues I have. The draft just runs the audio through the start of a random speech to text model. I trained a tokenizer around the logo code but didn't move farther. There are a lot of possible next steps, some of which others have mentioned. A simple approach would be to finetune the model around the hand-transcribed data. https://colab.research.google.com/gist/xloem/4310a26b6c9d13adac14307b948157d3/untitled4.ipynb [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.147|172.70.114.147]] 23:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Any plans to exkcd the "real" comic that gets drawn by the LOGO code in the audio? I mean, I recognize, e. g., the Mars rover and Ursa Major, but what's the significance of the vacuum decay here, for instance? [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:Now that the project is complete, we should add the resulting image on this page (not just a link to github). It'll be what folks are looking for first. And then we can start identifying the many references in the picture and turtle quotes. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
::well, i added the picture. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 08:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It was wonderful watching all of this unfold. Great work everyone. I don't have an account here, nor on github, but I thought I'd mention that the makesvg.py uses the ':=' operator which was introduced in python 3.8. Not all of us have it on our creaky old machines. Maybe add a comment in the usage at the top of the file? Or better, refactor the .py?
-- [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 14:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a trick to making it work? I've tried both Firefox and Chrome. I hear the narration and can toggle the mute, but it never draws the picture for me. I have enabled JavaScript and I have disabled Privacy Badger, NoSCript, and uBlock Origin and still no joy. I did find the final drawing so I've seen the animation via GIF.
--[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.221|108.162.221.221]]
:: Signing with triple tilde puts the WRONG IP address for me! My IP is NOT 108.162.221.221, my IP is 47.186.56.37. What gives????
:: --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.221|108.162.221.221]]
::: i'm trying to find a way to say this that doesn't sound condescending, but do you actually think the comic draws the picture or are you using https://benediktwerner.github.io/xkcd-2601-drawer/ ? if it's the former, the comic does not draw the picture. if it's the latter, you have to click the "use the latest code" button and *then* click draw. again, i know that sounded super condescending, pls don't think i'm trying to be mean. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

does this comic *technically* feature beret guy, ponytail, etc or not. they're not *in* the comic, but it could be said to feature them. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

What is <pre><blockquote>CUBIC</pre></blockquote>?
[[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 05:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2601: Instructions

2022-04-04T05:45:36Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

;Turtle graphics
So these are instructions for a turtle graphics program. The audio is drawn from https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3, a 9 hour 7 minute 12 second long audio file It's generated by feeding turtle code into a text-to-speech program, but idk which language or which program. If you can convert the speech back to text, somehow without ruining the formatting (or just do a lot of editing with regex until it looks right), you could feed it into a turtle graphics program and get the resulting drawing.
:If you're not familiar with Turtle and Logo, look at this [[https://www.tutorialspoint.com/logo/logo_quick_guide.htm|quick guide]]. The short version is that these commands move a little cursor, called a turtle, which draws a line as it moves and turns. At this time, contributors have applied a few different computer transcriptions to the entire audio. There are quotes about turtles from a variety of sources intermixed with Logo code. It is expected that some correction to the code is needed, such as adding parenthesis that are not spoken in the audio. Standard Logo commands found in the audio are: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), and FORWARD (N). Some custom functions are defined, including DIST (N) (N) (N) (N), LERP (N) (N) (N), MIX (N) (N), CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N), and SQUARE (N) (N). The next steps are to test the transcripts of these custom functions in a Logo interpreter, at which point we can begin drawing the picture. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 02:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
: The picture indeed will be Bob Ross. The first hour of radio has him saying, "A happy little tree - holding up a happy little world." We can coordinate transcribing this code at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository]. Credit for this progress goes to the GitHub owner. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the current image on this page is. Is that the drawing you get by following these instructions? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 20:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
: Wait I see now, that is the actual image for the comic. It just gets covered up by the button so I can't see it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.87|172.70.126.87]] 21:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, it looks like someone realized it's actually longer than that. After downloading it, I found it to be 131,329,389 bytes. The Windows Properties viewer claims it is 8h41m08s in length, but that's wrong. It is actually 9h07m06s. By the way, the code is in the Logo language. He seems to have copied this from a book, but I don't know which one. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 21:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Worth taking a look at? I can start looking for books that contain that text[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:The automatic speech system is using standard punctuation processing, meaning that critical marks for the code aren't being announced. You can't get the code from the samples without filling in the blanks after getting a transcript. [[User:N|N]] ([[User talk:N|talk]]) 22:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The MP3 file ends with this text: "''I even talk to turtles at times. But you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our life typing, looking, but never ever seeing.''" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.222.151|162.158.222.151]] 21:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

april fools' comic? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 21:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's an April Fool's joke. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.148|108.162.238.148]] 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Well is it 2022/04/01 [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.189|141.101.77.189]] 21:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Broken Version

I think mine's broken. I don't get it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.91|172.70.130.91]] 21:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:You press the radio button, it selects it, then you can press it a zillion times in any pattern and all it ever does is blink the entire image. Nothing else ever appears other than the radio button, and there’s never any sound so pressing the speaker in the corner to supposedly turn it on or off is also completely pointless.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.65|172.70.126.65]] 23:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Alright, it’s April 2nd now, so if all of you have been LYING about it actually doing something, just playing along with the joke, you can admit it now.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.153|172.70.130.153]] 18:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Did it only work on American April 1st, or only for some people? It's the third of April here now, and it's still a boring button that clicks on once and does nothing else. Have I missed it? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.13|108.162.249.13]] 20:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given the alt text "happy little turtles" and the tone of the narration I assume we're supposed to pretend the narrator is Bob Ross guiding us to creating an artistic masterpiece with Logo [[Special:Contributions/172.70.211.72|172.70.211.72]] 21:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Guys, it's been HOURS and the transcription is still incomplete. Step it up! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77|172.70.162.77]] 21:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:Not even sure what the transcript should be. I did my best[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.52|162.158.107.52]] 21:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::I have a feeling this might be one of the longest transcripts on the site. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.43|108.162.245.43]] 21:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Wanna bet? [[1608: Hoverboard/Transcript]]... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Or [[980: Money/Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Up until someone automates the process, I'll be working on the transcript and saving it in exkcd in parts (: Don't worry too much about edit overrides, I'll be transcribing in a google doc to avoid that! --[[User:Char Latte49|Wielder of the Staple Gun]] ([[User talk:Char Latte49|talk]]) 21:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:The sections about turtles between the code blocks seems to be from

Interesting Facts About Turtles
A Little Nature Study by a Scientist that will Interest Old and Young Naturalists Alike
By Randle C. Rosenberger M. D., Professor of Hygiene and Bacteriology, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, Pa.
https://archive.org/stream/foreststream861916newy/foreststream861916newy_djvu.txt

The uni.xkcd version of this comic also just shows the turtle like this article. So much for uses two April Fools comics against each other ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.77|172.70.114.77]] 22:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I ran the MP3 through Amazon Transcribe. It can do only 4 hours at a time, so I had to split the original file. I went from start to 03:59:59, 03:59:59 to 07:59:58, and 07:59:58 to end. Amazon Transcribe also gave me some subtitle files (index 1). They have time codes in them. So if someone wanted to note the times of the little quips, and host the audio file somewhere where links to the middle of the file can be generated (like YouTube), that could be cool. Below are the transcriptions for analysis. Replace X with 1, 2, or 3; and replace Y with json, srt, or vtt. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

:<code><nowiki>https://pgn674.s3.amazonaws.com/xkcd-2601/xkcd-2601-X.Y</nowiki></code>
:: No need to host anything special. Let's say we want to jump to time code 02:35:14.840 from the vtt subtitle file #1 (line 7084, subtitle 1771). 2*60*60+35*60+14=9314. Subtract a few seconds, and make a link like this. Click here to learn about turtle noises: https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=9310 [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 23:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::: I went and found all mentions of "turtle", extracted those lines, and generated links to them. Programmatically. If anyone wants to go through and do some manual review and fine tuning, go ahead. [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] ([[User talk:Pgn674|talk]]) 00:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I threw Adobe Premiere Pro at it: https://anonfiles.com/pbYfK7Sax4/radio_csv; and https://anonfiles.com/35YbKeScxe/radio_txt are the results. Note: these transcribe until 07:01:28:19. I am currently in the process of making APP suffer more and churn out the last two hours. --[[User:ẞ qwertz|ẞ qwertz]] ([[User talk:ẞ qwertz|talk]]) 23:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

So... what language is this? I'm hearing: PENUP, PENDOWN, SETHEADING (N) (N), SETXY (N) (N), FORWARD (N) - all of which are standard LOGO commands. But I'm also hearing something that sounds like CUBIC (N) (N) (N) (N) (N) (N), though it could also be QBIT, or text-to-speech for something like "^3". Either way it's NOT a standard LOGO command, so suggests it's a variant. Does not seem to be KTurtle, POOL, UCBLogo. QLogo, FMSLogo, and then I got bored searching. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:In the automatic transcription it has "Two cubic colon X one colon Y one colon X two"... which would be TO CUBIC :X1 :Y1 :X2 ... so it is defined above. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.230|162.158.107.230]] 01:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Yes, some of the commands seem to be defined at the top. CUBIC at the top, SQUARE maybe somewhere else. So a shortcut to decyphering it might be to just extract and render all the cubes from the "CUBIC" and "SQUARE" commands, given their values. But what format are the cubes? Are they even the coordinates of cubes? For both commands, the six numbers seem to be in the format A B A B A B where the As and Bs are similar or even in some cases identical, which seems a strange thing for a cube:
<blockquote><pre>
SetXY -443 412
PenDown
Square -443 405 -443 397 -444 390
</pre></blockquote>
The definition seems to be something like:
<blockquote><pre>
ToCubic : X1 : Y1 : X2 : Y2 : Ex : Ey --- Parameter definitions?
local Make " X0 XCor --- Local variable definitions?
Local Make " Y0 YCor
Local Make " ErrX1 Lerp : X0 : X 0.25
local Make " ErrY1 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.25
Local Make " ErrX2 Lerp : X0 : Ex 0.75
Local Make " ErrY2 Lerp : Y0 : Ey 0.75
IfElse
Or
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX1 : ErrY1 : X1 : Y1
LessP : picks error Dist : ErrX2 : ErrY2 : X2 : Y2
[
Local Make " Qx0 mix : X0 : X1
Local Make " Qy0 mix : Y0 : Y1
Local Make " Qx1 mix : X1 : X2
Local Make " qy1 Mix : Y1 : Y2
Local Make " Qx2 mix : X2 : EX
Local Make " Qy2 mix : Y2 : Ey
Local Make " Lx0 mix : Qx0 : QX1
Local Make " Ly0 mix : Qy0 : QY1
Local Make " Lx1 Mix : Qx1 : Qx2
Local Make " Ly1 Mix : qy1 : Q
Local Make " PmX Mix : Lx0 : Lx1
Local Make " PmY Mix : Ly0 : LY1
Cubic : Qx0 : qy0 : Lx0 : Ly0 : PmX : PmY
Cubic : Lx1 : Ly1 : Qx2 : Qy2 : Ex : Ey
]
[
SetXY : Ex : Ey
]
</pre></blockquote>
Least, that's what it sounds like, but I suspect round brackets and suchlike are not spoken aloud :( --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.95|108.162.221.95]] 01:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

: Maybe it's implementing a cubic spline interpolation, not a tridimensional cube. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.214|172.70.131.214]] 11:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Feels like the speech processing is lossy, so generating the code will be a lengthy labor of love transcribing it, then debugging it, trying to fill the gaps. The code may also have been fed through an automated "Bob Ross filter" which may have lost even more data. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.91|172.69.71.91]] 00:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

About a quarter of the way into the text is the line "You know, I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down!" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.215|162.158.78.215]] 00:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

it's concerning that the only real way we'll be able to figure this comic out is to compile the entire 9 hour computer-generated voice speech. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 01:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:Anyone actually doing any transcribing of this audio text is a true April Fools' fool, hence the reason to release this on April 1st. But I'd still like to see what the Fools' come up with :-D --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm moving all things about audio transcription here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]], both the real transcript and peoples very long comments in the main discussion, to keep the main page short and keep loading time down. The comments from here go in the [[Talk:2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript|discussion]] for that page --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

OMG, fond memories of LOGO! I'm in a loud bar at the moment so I can't listen, and I'm not listening to NINE HOURS anyway, LOL! Everybody DOES realize, someone needs to extract the program and run it in LOGO, right? I would guarantee this draws something interesting and/or stupid. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 03:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I found a [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 GitHub Repository] for transcription. May be of use to you guys for adding more info and citations to this Wiki. By the way, I didn't know this wiki existed. I don't want to create an account for it right now so good luck guys ;-; 04:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried running some code through "ucblogo" on a Linux distro, but didn't get very far with it. ---Tim 04:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Given that the audio is generated by text-to-speech, could a source-aware speech-to-text work better (fewer errors and less manual correction) than a generic one? For example, finding the right text-to-speech, extracting a sound for each phoneme, and then searching for near-identical snippets of waveform, seems like it could potentially be more reliable than the generic neural nets which are primarily trained for real human speech. Or even training a neural net on the same text-to-speech source, with a big block of sample data, if that would help distinguish homophones. Presumably someone here is good enough at this sort of thing to try that? [[User:Sqek|Sqek]] ([[User talk:Sqek|talk]]) 10:05, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I think that the original comment at the top is the best approach. Using the speech-to-text data posted yesterday, and doing some simple regsubs, I can get it into good enough shape that I can proceed to transcribe the whole program by editing the file while listening to the audio, in real time. "In real time" means nine hours to correctly transcribe the whole thing. So any other approach would have to do better than nine hours. Plus if somebody put a little effort into organization, the transcription can be parallelized and so completed in nine hours / N transcribers. ---Tim [[Special:Contributions/172.70.38.41|172.70.38.41]] 13:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I was helping with this last night, and here are the major steps we've done to interpret the code and who has helped, I think.
* [[User:Pgn674|Pgn674]] Used AWS to make a transcription of the audio, which we have been building from
* [[Special:Contributions/172.68.118.59|172.68.118.59]] Transcribed the critical functions at the top of the transcription
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Found a working interpreter and set up a collaboration space at [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 a GitHub repo], and has since been maintaining the code
* [https://github.com/theinternetftw theinternetftw] Also transcribed the first hour and got us our view of a partial picture
* [https://github.com/somebody1234 somebody1234] Got a messy but runnable version of the entire transcription and a view of the entire picture with errors
* Many people are transcribing bits of audio and submitting to GitHub. Here is the list of [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601/graphs/contributors contributors]
[[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 15:06, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the image to that which is seen on xkcd when loading the comic. It has not been updated on this page yet as of when I write this. But the turtle is of course not the comic, but a placeholder for those webcrawlers that would fail when trying to download the radio button. I have also added info on this in the current explanation. As I have made a link to a new sub page for the looong audio transcript and removed all of that from this page and discussion and put it here: [[2601: Instructions/Audio Transcript]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I started planning to write some code to figure this out, but moved on to other things after a few hours, due to psychological issues I have. The draft just runs the audio through the start of a random speech to text model. I trained a tokenizer around the logo code but didn't move farther. There are a lot of possible next steps, some of which others have mentioned. A simple approach would be to finetune the model around the hand-transcribed data. https://colab.research.google.com/gist/xloem/4310a26b6c9d13adac14307b948157d3/untitled4.ipynb [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.147|172.70.114.147]] 23:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Any plans to exkcd the "real" comic that gets drawn by the LOGO code in the audio? I mean, I recognize, e. g., the Mars rover and Ursa Major, but what's the significance of the vacuum decay here, for instance? [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:Now that the project is complete, we should add the resulting image on this page (not just a link to github). It'll be what folks are looking for first. And then we can start identifying the many references in the picture and turtle quotes. [[User:Mannerisky|Mannerisky]] ([[User talk:Mannerisky|talk]]) 04:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
::well, i added the picture. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|youtube.com/watch?v=miLcaqq2Zpk]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 08:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It was wonderful watching all of this unfold. Great work everyone. I don't have an account here, nor on github, but I thought I'd mention that the makesvg.py uses the ':=' operator which was introduced in python 3.8. Not all of us have it on our creaky old machines. Maybe add a comment in the usage at the top of the file? Or better, refactor the .py?
-- [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 14:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a trick to making it work? I've tried both Firefox and Chrome. I hear the narration and can toggle the mute, but it never draws the picture for me. I have enabled JavaScript and I have disabled Privacy Badger, NoSCript, and uBlock Origin and still no joy. I did find the final drawing so I've seen the animation via GIF.
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:: Signing with triple tilde puts the WRONG IP address for me! My IP is NOT 108.162.221.221, my IP is 47.186.56.37. What gives????
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::: i'm trying to find a way to say this that doesn't sound condescending, but do you actually think the comic draws the picture or are you using https://benediktwerner.github.io/xkcd-2601-drawer/ ? if it's the former, the comic does not draw the picture. if it's the latter, you have to click the "use the latest code" button and *then* click draw. again, i know that sounded super condescending, pls don't think i'm trying to be mean. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

does this comic *technically* feature beret guy, ponytail, etc or not. they're not *in* the comic, but it could be said to feature them. [[User:New editor|New editor]] ([[User talk:New editor|talk]]) 05:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

What is `CUBIC`?
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2601: Instructions

2022-04-02T17:52:03Z

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{{comic
| number = 2601
| date = April 1, 2022
| title = Instructions
| image = instructions.png
| titletext = Happy little turtles
}}
Go to the [https://xkcd.com/2601 original comic] for the interactivity.
==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a HAPPY LITTLE TURTLE - more explanation needs to be added and transcript needs to be cleaned up and clarified. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
This is the 12th [[:Category:April fools' comics|April fools' comic]] released. It is an audio file with a mix of quotes about turtles and coding instructions in {{w|Logo_(programming_language)|LOGO}}. When executed, the instructions draw an xkcd comic.

The "turtle" is a key concept in Logo, a programming language especially designed to teach programming to children in an easy way. The turtle in Logo is the cursor. Programming commands move the turtle, drawing a line as it goes. Of course, listening to hours of instructions, including speech-synthesized reading of source code, is not an easy way to code or draw a picture.{{cn}}

In addition, at the end of the audio, at 9:06:56, the voice says:
<blockquote>
"I even talk to turtles at times, but you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our life typing, looking, but never ever seeing."
</blockquote>

The alt-text alludes to {{w|Bob Ross}}'s catchphrase "happy little trees" in {{w|The Joy of Painting}}.

Transcribing the audio into text is [https://github.com/theinternetftw/xkcd2601 an ongoing project]. Current progress shows Bob Ross, saying "A happy little tree - holding up a happy little world." In front of him is a tree, holding a foreground scene, background planet, and star. Various things visible include a Mars rover, a turtle and squirrel, a rocket, various constellations, and a few happy little trees. As of right now, the best view of the image is at [https://github.com/somebody1234/xkcd2601 this github page].

== Sources ==

* Merriam-Webster, "Turtle" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turtle

* Forest And Stream, January 2016, p. 764: "Interesting Facts About Turtles"—"A Little Nature Study by a Scientist that will Interest Old and Young Naturalists Alike"—"By Randle C. Rosenberger M.D., Professor of Hygiene and Bacteriology, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, Pa." https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/281932#page/8/mode/1up

* "Top 10 Facts About Marine Turtles", https://www.wwf.org.uk/learn/fascinating-facts/marine-turtles

* "Odd facts about turtles", Christian observer, May 11th 1919

* "World Turtle Day: 10 cool facts about turtles" from Deutsche Welle, 22 May 2020, by Ineke Mules https://www.dw.com/en/turtles-tortoises-difference-facts/g-53260454

* "Turtle Facts" by Alina Bradford, published October 02, 2015 https://www.livescience.com/52361-turtle-facts.html

==Transcript==
{{incomplete transcript|Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

:[The screen displays a radio button that when pressed plays a 9-hour long audio file of coding instructions. Behind it is an image of a turtle. The use of a {{w|radio button}} to trigger the audio may invoke the idea that you could be listening to a radio broadcast.]

:[The audio transcript:]

:And here we want to show you that you can program a picture right along with us. We’ll use a single color, some unorthodox functions, and each line we’ll put a bit of nature’s masterpieces right here on our canvas. Today we’ll have them run all the functions across the stream, right now, that you need to program along with us. Starting with a simple one:

:TO DIST :X0 :Y0 :X1 :Y1
:LOCAL MAKE "RX DIFFERENCE :X1 :X0
:LOCAL MAKE "RY DIFFERENCE :Y1 :Y0
:OUTPUT SQRT SUM PRODUCT :RX :RX PRODUCT :RY :RY
:END

:[Audio transcript of commentary only, no code:]
:And here we want to show you that you can program a picture right along with us. We’ll use a single color, some unorthodox functions, and each line we’ll put a bit of nature’s masterpieces right here on our canvas. Today we’ll have them run all the functions across the stream, right now, that you need to program along with us. Starting with a simple one:

:There we go! Just like that.

:One more done. No pressure.

:Really makes our programming life easier.

:There we go! Just like that.

:I think there's a programmer hidden at the bottom of every single one of us.

:Let me show you what is going on up here.I've just covered the entire canvas with just a bit of white pinned down. We start with a vision in our hearts and we put it on canvas.

:Merriam Webster defines a turtle as a noun:
::Any of an order (Testudines synonym Chelonia) of terrestrial, freshwater, and marine reptiles that have a toothless horny beak and a shell of bony dermal plates usually covered with horny shields enclosing the trunk and into which the head, limbs, and tail usually may be withdrawn.

:Here are some interesting notes from "Interesting facts about turtles. A little nature study by a scientist", Forest and Stream, January 1916:
::Over a great many years I have taken a great interest in the land turtle. I have at the present time a number, some of which I have had for at least 17 years to most people. They were ugly and repulsive as the head when fully protruded and extended, looks like a snake. And furthermore their clumsy method of progression. Does not add anything attractive. One of the interesting points about turtles is their great variety of foods. They are, as a rule, good scavengers eating all kinds of decomposing and putrefying materials, beef or in fact any meat in Eden. I have seen them eat the flesh of birds and of moles, and while earthworms are relished by them, any worm or grub is taken. Worms from shell barks and ordinary maggots are gotten rid of in a hurry. Blackberries, may-apples, cherries and mulberries, tomatoes, cucumbers–and one vegetable eagerly eaten by my stock is green sugar corn, either raw or cooked in the spring when they first come out of the soil, and food is not plentiful in their pen. I have bought canned corn and they certainly have made it disappear very quickly, beetles and tumble bugs, potato bugs, either in larval or mature forms, are destroyed. Toad stools, especially the large flat pink ones, white and yellow ones are eaten, while I have seen them pass a black toadstool by several days unnoticed.

:Here we have a happy little "pen down" statement. That's it. And then…

::Occasionally when a female drops an egg on the ground, it is quickly eaten by the others. Ordinary hen's eggs are eaten and a great relish enjoyed hugely by them, as is thick sour milk. I have placed a quantity of this milk in two or three places in the pen and in five minutes it is surrounded by the turtles, just like flies on a lump of sugar. The scrapings of Limburger cheese have also been eaten. A piece of butter which had been upon a platter in the icebox for months was placed before them and this was eaten in due time. Crab apples and cantaloupe are enjoyed by them, but watermelon is not so eagerly gobbled up like the cantaloupe. I was surprised one morning when I found one of the large turtles had caught and disembowelled the very large toad which I had in the yard. I have seen turtles eating at 11:00 at night when one would think they would be resting.

:Here you have the power to do anything you want.

::They prefer the shade and at certain times during the day if the sun is very hot, they retreat under the logs which I have for a shelter during rain, they are very active and move about with heads and necks outstretched, enjoying the shower bath hugely and evidently on the outlook for worms. Just as some birds after or during a shower, the youngest of turtles I have ever had seems to take to the same food as the adults. As a rule, they emerge in April, sometimes the middle of the month, but as early as April sixth they make their appearance. If the weather does not stay warm, they again go back to their retreats. Mating commences almost within a day or 2 after their emergence. The males are quite persistent in their lovemaking, biting at the female etc. And on two occasions I have seen the scale removed from the shell of the female and blood ooze from these surfaces.

:I made friends with a turtle yesterday, and he gave me his phone number. I asked, is that a landline? He said, no, it's my shell phone.

::It is interesting to see the males fight among themselves. They raise themselves as high as possible and lunge and bite and snap at each other In getting away from his opponent. The beaten one will beat a hasty retreat and retract his front feet or back feet as occasion demands and glide. Not run away. Running away is slow as compared to this turtle propulsion. It is not a slide, it is really a darting forward glide. Just recently I saw one male maltreating another in which the second fellow had all parts retracted and was being snapped at, pushed, and actually rolled over on his back by his opponent. Occasionally one can see a turtle dragging another one along the first one having the second fellows hind leg between his shell. This has probably been the result of a scuffle. I have never known a land turtle to bite, but have often seen them open their mouths wide and hiss or draw in their breath with a hissing or sighing sound. Some people have turtles in their cellars believing that they catch rats and mice. I tried keeping some of mine in the cellar for 2 seasons in the wintertime. They kept up a constant walk exactly like a caged beast. I gave them meat, vegetables and water, but on no occasion did they take the proffered food. In the spring, I found several of them dead. I believe that these turtles died because they were exhausted from wandering around and around during their time of hibernation. I also believe that this unnatural hibernation led them to refuse all food. Regarding the catching of rats and mice in cellars. I believe that rats and mice might be kept away by the noise made by the turtle making its endless march around the cellar. But I doubt whether a turtle could catch a rat or a mouse. In my yard, I had a galvanized iron pin three feet in length by 2 feet in width by 3 inches in depth for water. In this the turtles would enjoy themselves drinking from the edge with heads submerged or with the entire body submerged for sometimes as long as several hours. And even for a whole day, even in the country where I now have the herd, I have a small dish in which they can just get in and they certainly appreciate a bath.

:How about some interesting things in "10 facts about marine turtles" from the WWF UK?
::There are seven species of marine turtle. Marine turtles were around more than 100 million years ago and lived alongside dinosaurs. These days, scientists recognize seven species of marine turtle, the hawksbill, the loggerhead, the leatherback, the Olive Ridley, the green, the flat back and the Kemps Ridley. Turtle shells are made of over 50 bones fused together. So they are literally wearing their bones on the outside. They also have light spongy bones that help them float. Their young lives are a mystery. The first few years of a marine turtles' life are known as the lost years. That's because the time between when the hatchlings emerge until they return to coastal shallow waters to forage is incredibly difficult to study the lost years they spend at sea, which can be up to 20 years largely remain a mystery to us. They can be ginormous. Marine turtle species vary greatly in size. The smallest Kemps Ridleys measure around 70 cm long and weigh up to 40 kg whilst the leatherback can reach up to 180 cm long and weigh 500 kg. That is over ten times heavier. Amazingly, whales hold the world record for the largest marine turtle ever found in 1988. A leatherback was found ashore measuring 2.5 m long, 2.5 m from flipper to flipper and weighing over 900 kg. It's survival of the fittest. It is estimated that only around one in 1000 marine turtle hatchlings make it to adulthood. This is down to the long time it takes for them to reach maturity and the many dangers faced by hatchlings and juveniles. From predators to marine plastics. They make some interesting noises. Female leatherbacks make some strange noises when they are nesting, some of which sound similar to a human belch. Just let it happen. They have color preferences, turtles seem to prefer red, orange and yellow food. They appear to investigate these colors more than others when looking for a meal. You know, I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down. They always return home. Females return to the same beach, they hatched on to lay their own eggs and bury them in sand nests. Marine turtles' amazing ability to navigate comes from their sensitivity to the earth's magnetic fields.

:Here are some more interesting bits from "Interesting facts about turtles, a little nature study by a scientist", Forest and Stream, January 1916.
::The laying of eggs, this is one of the most instructive things that I have ever watched. Invariably they chose in my yard a situation with a southern exposure when desiring to lay. In only two instances was an eastern exposure observed, and once a western part of the yard being a cement walk, we could sometimes observe the female making motions as for digging the nest. Sometimes for a half a day she would remain stationary and with her back legs commenced to work for this purpose, lifting her to the grass plot. In a short time she would commence to dig first with the left hind foot. She would remove a little dirt and pile it up on her left side, then with the right hind foot and pile the removed dirt upon the right side. This would be repeated again and again probably for hours until the proper size hole and depth was obtained. Egg laying does not always occur during the daytime, as I have observed one or two digging away past midnight. Sometimes they will have dug for about an inch or so and then not make any more progress downward. In these instances they have met with obstructions like a small stone which they cannot remove. I have with a pair of forceps removed the obstruction on several occasions with the turtle still in it and after a minute or two she resumes her work.

:There is an artist in the bottom of everybody.

::The nest or repository is about 3 inches in depth and about an inch and a half or a little more in width. When she has it finished, she discharges her eggs into it. When the egg is deposited in the hole, she is not just satisfied in dropping it, but she reaches down with her hind leg and places the egg horizontally and covers a little dirt over it. Then the second egg and the remaining eggs are all treated similarly and when the last one is deposited and placed, she commences to fill up with the dirt that remains. She puts into the hole with an alternate right and left leg until all is filled in. She pats it with both her hind feet together and then with her body raised and lowered pets and smooths over the place where the eggs are buried. Then she leaves it and never looks after it as the sun now plays its part in hatching the eggs. The eggs are whitish in color with a semi-elastic shell about the size of a pigeon egg. The number laid by a turtle varies. I have seen three and on one occasion I have seen eight late at one sitting. I have also observed one turtle laying its eggs, covering them over, and a little later–a day or two–another female dug in the same place, removed the eggs and laid her own in this doubly-dug repository. Once, a female dug six hours and laid four eggs. Another dug several hours. The whole measured 2 inches across and three and a half inches in depth. And she laid eight eggs within a half hour. Not all eggs hatch out. But in the instance where eight were laid, I had the pleasure of seeing six little baby turtles come out. Other eggs which were laid in a hole dug with a western or eastern exposure never came to anything. I have dug carefully into these nests, but I have always come upon decomposing eggs. The most interesting egg laying I ever witnessed: The turtle commenced to dig at six p.m, and was still busy at work the next morning at eight o'clock. Five days later a second turtle dug these eggs out, deposited four of her own, and covered the nest up personally. I do not believe that the turtle digging out the previous batch of eggs was vindictive or mischievous but that the ground seemed soft and easily worked. Therefore it took advantage of the spot.

:Average person paints three turtles a year factoid. Actually just statistical error, the average person paints 0 turtles per year. Georg who lives in cave and eats over 10,000 each day is an outlier and should not have been counted.

::The young turtles, when they make their emergence at the end of three months, are dark in color and quite active. If you place one on its back at this time it will arch its head and neck and come around its normal position. The shell, of course, is quite soft, but in about three years the shell really becomes hardened though some clear portions of the shell around the edges are still soft. The color of the shell gradually changes to that usually seen in the head, and soft parts are modeled speckled or of a solid color. I have two in my collection where the head and neck are solid yellow.

:Do you know what a sea turtle's favorite sandwich is? Peanut butter and jellyfish. That sounds weird, but it's actually true. Just ask the next sea turtle you meet. But I think we shouldn't mention it to the jellyfish.

:Here are some interesting observations from "Odd facts about turtles", Christian observer, May 11th 1919.
::It has been said that the turtle, like the whale, has no other enemy than man, and as much as both the little creature and the big pursued their various ways in practical immunity from harm and the fear of sudden death. In many ways, the turtle is one or the strangest of living things. Whales must come to the surface frequently to breathe, and it is pretty well known what they feed upon. The seal cannot remain beneath the sea nearly so long as the whale, and his food is very well known. But the turtle in all his varieties, in all his ways, is a most mysterious animal. It does not indeed seem to matter to him whether he stays beneath the surface for an hour or for a week. Nor does it trouble him to spend an equal time on land if the need arises. Your turtle is neither fish, flesh nor fowl. Yet his flesh partakes of the characteristics of all three. Eating seems a mere superfluidity with him since for weeks at a time he may be headed up in a barrel with a bung out and emerged after his long fast apparently none the worse for his enforced abstinence from food, from light, and almost from air. In the whole category of animal organisms, there is none so tenacious in life as the turtle. Injuries that would instantly be fatal even to fish leave the turtle apparently undisturbed and his power of staving off death is nothing short of marvelous. Just as soon as a baby turtle emerges from the egg off he scuttles down to the sea. He has no one to teach him, no one to guide him in his curious little brain. There has implanted a streak of caution based upon the fact that until a certain period in his life his armor is soft and no defense against hungry fish, and he at once seeks shelter in the tropical profusion of the gulf weed, which holds within its branching fronds an astonishing abundance of marine life here. The young turtle feeds unmolested while his armor undergoes the hardening process. Whatever the young sea turtle eats and wherever he eats it is not generally ascertained, one thing is certain it agrees with him immensely. He leads a pleasant sort of life basking in the tropical sun and cruising leisurely in the cool depths. Once he has attained the weight of 25 pounds which usually occurs within the first year, the turtle is free from all danger after that no fish or mammal, however ravenous, however well armed with teeth, interferes with the turtle. Once he has withdrawn his head from its position of outlook into the folds of his neck, between the 2 shells, intending devourers may struggle in vain to make an impression upon him.

:How about some neat facts courtesy of "10 cool facts about turtles" from Deutsche Welle?
::They have been around for a really, really long time. There is a reason why turtles look a little prehistoric. The first ever specimens evolved around 260 million years ago in the late Triassic period. Shortly after their arrival, the earth experienced a mass extinction event that wiped out about 90% of all life on land. Luckily for the turtles, their burrowing and water dwelling habits set them up for long term survival in this strange new world. They have one of the longest lifespans in the animal kingdom. While a turtle's lifespan largely depends on the species, almost all of them have the potential to live to a ripe old age. A typical pet turtle can make it to anywhere between 10 and 80 years, while larger species often keep going for more than 100 years because it's so difficult to accurately measure age over a century. Researchers think some turtles could even be hundreds of years old. They come in all shapes and sizes. There are currently 356 known species of turtles. As a rule, they are all reptiles with a hard cartilage shell, but that is about where the similarities end. There are sea turtles, leatherback turtles, snapping turtles, pond turtles, soft shelled turtles, and of course tortoises.

:It is your creation. You can do anything you want to do.

::Not all turtles or tortoises but all tortoises or turtles. Yes, technically all tortoises are in fact turtles. They belong to the Testudines family, which includes reptiles whose bodies are protected by a bony outer shell. But the main difference between turtles and tortoises is that tortoises live exclusively on land while most turtles live in or near water. Some turtles are vegetarians while others are carnivorous. Most turtles are actually omnivores but a few species are more picky when it comes to their diet. Most tortoises are happy to munch on leafy greens or fruit. Not the fearsome looking alligator turtle, which is almost entirely carnivorous and feeds on anything from fish to small mammals that venture too close to the water's edge. All species lay their eggs on land when they are ready to lay their eggs. Even water dwelling turtles will dig their nests in the sand or the earth near their habitat, but they are not the nurturing type. No species of turtle sticks around to raise their young. When the babies hatch they are on their own. A turtle's gender is determined by temperature, like crocodiles and alligators. A turtle's gender is determined after fertilization. If the turtles' eggs incubate below 27.7 degrees Celsius, the hatchlings will be male. But if the eggs incubate above 31 degrees they will be female. If the temperature is somewhere in between or fluctuates, a mix of male and female babies will hatch as oceans. Warm turtles tend to give birth to more females. They have an amazing sense of direction. Sea turtles are known for their amazing ability to return to the exact beach where they were born years later. Like many animals, turtles can navigate their way at sea by sensing the individual lines of the magnetic field, but they can also remember the magnetic signature of coastlines and send tiny variations in magnetic fields allowing them to guide themselves home. Excellent vision, too–turtles have strong underwater eyesight. Researchers have discovered that they can see a range of different colors and even prefer some colors to others. Although sea turtles are famous for their internal gps there is evidence to suggest they do not see very well on land. Many species are endangered, having survived for millions of years. Six out of seven turtle species are classified as threatened or endangered as a result of human activity. Every year thousands become trapped in commercial trawl nets while in some parts of the world they are killed for their eggs, meat and shells.

:How about some interesting facts from turtle facts by Alina Bradford, writing for livescience.com?
::Turtles are reptiles with hard shells that protect them from predators. They are among the oldest and most primitive groups of reptiles, having evolved millions of years ago. Turtles live all over the world in almost every type of climate.

:And then....

::According to the integrated taxonomic information system, the turtle order Testudines (or Chelonia) splits into two suborders, Cryptodira and Pleurodira, and then further splits into 13 families, 75 genera and more than 300 species.

:They say everything looks better with odd values for things but sometimes I put even values just to upset the interpreter.

::"Turtle", "tortoise" and "terrapin" are often used interchangeably as synonyms, but there are distinct differences between the types of chelonians, according to the San Diego Zoo.
::* Turtles spend most of their lives in water. They are adapted for aquatic life with webbed feet or flippers in a streamlined body. Sea turtles rarely leave the ocean except, to lay eggs in the sand. Freshwater turtles live in ponds and lakes, and they climb out of the water onto logs or rocks to bask in the warm sun.
::* Tortoises are land animals. Their feet are round and stumpy, adapted for walking on land. They also dig burrows with their strong forelimbs, and slip underground when the sun gets too hot.
::* Terrapins live on land and in water, usually in swamps, ponds, lakes and rivers.
::With so many different types of turtle, There is no average size. The largest sea turtle species is the leatherback turtle. It weighs 600 to 1500 pounds and is about 4.5 to 5.25 feet long, according to the World Wildlife Federation. The Galapagos tortoise grows up to six feet long and 573 pounds, according to the San Diego Zoo. The largest freshwater turtle in North America is the alligator snapping turtle. It can grow to 2.5 feet long and weigh as much as 200 pounds. The Yangtze giant softshell turtle is the largest softshell turtle. It measures up to 3.6 ft across and weighs up to 309 pounds.
::A turtle's shell is a modified rib cage and part of its vertebral column, according to the animal diversity web at the University of Michigan. The top part of the shell is called the carapace, and the bottom is called the plastering, according to the San Diego Zoo. The shell is made up of about 60 bones that are covered by plates called scutes. Scutes are made of keratin, the same material that makes up human fingernails.

:Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote that all the thoughts of a turtle are turtles and of a rabbit rabbits. So let's try to think like a turtle.

::Many turtles are able to retract their heads and feet into their shells. Turtles are placed in the two suborders based on the method of retraction, according to the animal diversity web at the University of Michigan. [...] —dires draw their heads straight back into the shell. Sea turtles have lost the ability to retract their heads.
::Habitat
::Turtles are very adaptive and can be found on every continent except Antarctica. Most turtle species are found in southeastern North America and South Asia. Only five species live in Europe, according to doctors Foster and Smith, a veterinarian business based in Wisconsin. [...]
::Sea turtles can be found in the Coral Triangle, an area that includes the waters of Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, coastal East Africa, the Meso-American reef in the Caribbean, the Galapagos islands, and the gulf of California.

: Hey, what do you get if you cross a turtle with a giraffe? A turtleneck!

::The African helmeted turtle is the most common turtle in Africa, according to Animal Planet. It is a hunter scavenger that eats young birds and small mammals. It steals bait from fishermen's hooks. It also releases a foul smelling liquid from glands in its legs.

::Turtles are not social creatures. While they typically don't mind if there are other turtles around them, they don't interact or socialize, according to Encyclopedia Britannica. Most turtles are active during the day, spending their time foraging for food.
::Turtles are not silent creatures. Some sound like electric motors, some sound like belching humans and some bark like dogs. The red-footed tortoise From South America clucks like a chicken.

::Most turtles are omnivores. They eat a variety of different things depending on their species. Musk turtles eat molluscs, plants, small fish and insects. The cooter turtle is mostly vegetarian, and the green sea turtle only eats grasses and algae.

:I read in the L.A. Times this morning that 42,000 Mazda cars were recalled because of a spider problem. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

::The alligator snapping turtle lures in fish with its tongue which looks like a worm. It wiggles its tongue to attract a hungry fish and then snaps down on it with its strong jaw. It also eats aquatic plants, snakes, frogs, fish, worms, clams, crayfish and other turtles.

::All turtles lay eggs. They find a place on land to lay their eggs, dig a nest into the sand or dirt and then walk away. No species of turtle nurtures their young.
::Turtles reach the age to mate at different times. Some come of age as young as a few years old, while others don't reach sexual maturity until around 50 years has passed.
::Some species fight for the right to mate with a female, while others seduce her with a mating ritual to mate. Male and female turtles intertwine their tails so that their shell openings line up perfectly.
::Sea turtles travel from the ocean to lay eggs on beaches. Usually, sea turtles lay around 110 eggs in a nest, though the flat back turtle only lays 50 at a time.
::The temperature of the sand affects the sex of the turtle. The perfect beach temperature produces an equal number of male and female offspring. Due to rising temperatures, too many sea turtle females are being born, contributing to the decline in species numbers.

::According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature, many turtle species are listed as threatened, endangered or critically endangered. For example, the ploughshare tortoise and radiated tortoise are estimated to be extinct in the next 45 years.

::A pair of Russian tortoises went into space In 1968, the Soviet Union launched Zond 5, a space probe that was the first spacecraft to orbit the moon. It returned safely and the tortoises survived. They had lost about ten percent of their body weight, but they remained active and showed no loss of appetite, according to NASA.

:I even talked to turtles at times, but you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our life typing, looking, but never, ever seeing.

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|And here we want to show you that you can program a picture right along with us. We'll use a single color. Some unorthodox functions. And each line we'll put a bit of nature's masterpieces right here on our canvas. Today. We'll have them run all the functions across the stream right now that you need to program along with us, starting with a simple one to disk colon X zero colon Y zero colon X one colon Y one Local. Make quote Rx difference colon X one colon X zero Local. Make quote ry difference colon Y one colon Y zero output S. Q. R. T. Some product colon Rx colon Rx product colon ry colon ry. And there we go. Just like that to lurk colon A colon B colon output some colon a product colon T difference colon B. Colon A. And one More. Done. No pressure to mix colon a colon B output, lurked colon A colon B 0.5. And really makes our programming life easier. Two cubic colon X one colon Y one colon X two colon Y two colon E. X. Colon. Ey local. Make quote. X zero X. C. O. R. Local. Make quote Y. Zero Y. C. O. R. Local. Make quote E. R. R. X. One loop colon X zero colon X 0.25 local. Make quote E. R R. Y. One loop colon Y zero colon ey 0.25 Local. Make quote E. R. R. X. To lurk colon X zero colon E X 0.75 Local. Make quote e. R. R. Y. To lurk colon Y zero colon ey 0.75 F. L. So R L. E S. S. P. Colon picks error. Dist colon er Rx one colon E R. R. Y. One colon X one colon Y one L E S. S. P. Colon picks error. Dist colon er Rx two colon E. R. R. Y. Two colon X. Two colon Y. Two. Opening square bracket. Local. Make quote Qx zero mix colon X zero colon X. One Local. Make quote qy zero mixed colon Y zero colon Y. One local. Make quote Qx one mix colon X. One colon X. Two. Local. Make quote qy one Mix colon Y. One colon Y. Two. Local. Make quote Qx two mics colon X. Two colon E. X. Local. Make quote qy to mix colon Y. Two colon ey local. Make quote Lx zero mix colon Qx zero colon Q. X. One Local. Make quote L. Y. Zero mixed colon Qy zero colon Q. Y. One local. Make quote Lx one Mix colon Q. X. One colon Q. X. Two. Local. Make quote L. Y. One Mix colon qy one colon Q. Local. Make quote P. M. X. Mix colon Lx zero colon Lx one Local. Make quote P. M. Y. Mix colon L. Y. Zero colon L. Y. One cubic colon Q. X zero colon qy zero colon Lx zero colon L. Y. Zero colon P. M. X. Colon P. M Y cubic colon Lx one colon L. Y. One colon Q. X. two colon qy two colon E. X. Colon. Ey. Closing square bracket, opening square bracket set X. Y. Colon E. X. Colon. Ey. Closing square bracket. And I think there's a programmer hidden at the bottom of every single one of us. May quote picks, error. 0.5. Let me show you what is going on up here. Clear screen window pen up Set X. Y -473. I've just covered the entire canvas with just a bit of white pen down. We start with a vision in our hearts and we put it on canvas cubic -469. 424 -458. 416 -456. 389 pen it Set X. Y -471. pen down Set, heading 87 forward. 14 pen up Set X. Y -443. up pen down Square -443. 405 -443. 397 -444. 390 pen up Set X. Y -442. pen down Set, heading 84 forward, 10 pen up Set XY -431. 409 up pen down Square -432. 403 -430- 397 -431. 390 pen up Set X. Y -427. pen down cubic -420: 419 -415. 416 -412. 391 planet Set XY -426. 400, pen down cubic -420 to 400 -418 401 -414. 401 pen up Set X. Y -409. pen down, cubic -408. 404 -408. 398 -408. 391 pen up Set XY -409. 409 pen down cubic -395. 421 -390. 396 -408. 403 Set X. Y -393. pen down cubic -392. 405 -392. 399 -392. 393 pen up Set XY -393. 411 up pen down Square -380. 419 -377. 400 -392. 400 to Bennett Set X. Y -372. up pen down cubic -371. 400- -374. 400 -377. 408 pen up Set X. Y -372. pen down Set heading 37 forward 13 pen up Set X. Y -471. up pen down cubic -471 366 -480. 357 -460 361 pen up Set X. Y -457. pen down cubic -457. 372 -457. 366 -457. 360 pen up Set X. Y -448. up pen down Set, heading. 179 forward 19 pen up. Miriam Webster defines a turtle as a noun. Any of an order to student he's synonym Catalonia of terrestrial, freshwater and marine reptiles that have a toothless, horny beak in a shell of bony dermal plates usually covered with horny shields in closing the trunk and into which the head, limbs and tail usually may be withdrawn. Set XY -454, 378 pen down cubic -449. 379 -444, 380 -440 380 pen up Set X. Y -434. pen down. Set, heading. 179 forward. 16 tenant Set X. Y -439. pen down, cubic -434. 379 -430. 380 -425. 380 pen up Set XY -425. 377 up pen down cubic -424. 367 -431. 356 -415. 360 pen up Set XY -400, 380 pen down cubic -404 379 -413. 382 -412. 376 cubic -410, 360 -416, 356 -400, 360 pen up Set XY -412. 368. 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Here are some interesting notes from interesting facts about turtles. A little nature study by a scientist, forest and stream, January 1916. Over a great many years I have taken a great interest in the land turtle. I have at the present time. A number, some of which I have had for at least 17 years to most people. They were ugly and repulsive as the head when fully protruded and extended, looks like a snake. And furthermore, they're clumsy method of progression. Does not add anything attractive. Set XY -453. 335. Up pen down sq -460, 330, 1 -456, 312 -447, 319 cubic -442, 324 -444, 339 -453. 335 pen up Set XY -439. 335 pen down cubic -439, 329 -441, 322 -439, 316 cubic -437, 315 -433. 316 -430, 316 pen up Set XY -426. 315 pen down cubic -412. 316 -408, 339 -427. 336 cubic -426, 329 -426. 322 -427, 315 pen up Set XY -409, 336. 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Y -455, up pen down cubic -451, 293 -447, 294 -443. 293 Set, heading -7 forward one pen up Set XY -438. 300 to up pen down Set, heading. 179 forward 17 pen up Set XY -439. 301 pen down cubic -425. 311 -420- 288 -438, 293 pen up. One of the interesting points about turtles is their great variety of foods. They are. As a rule, good scavengers eating all kinds of decomposing and putrefying materials, beef or in fact any meat is Eden. I have seen them eat the flesh of birds and of moles, and while earthworms are relished by them, any worm or grub is taken worms from shell barks, and ordinary maggots are gotten rid of in a hurry. Blackberries, may, apples, cherries and mulberries, tomatoes, cucumbers, and one vegetable eagerly eaten by my stock is green sugar corn, either raw or cooked in the spring when they first come out of the soil, and food is not plentiful in their pen. I have bought canned corn and they certainly have made it disappear very quickly, beetles and tumble bugs, potato bugs, either in larval or mature forms, are destroyed. Toad stools, especially the large flat pink ones, white and yellow ones are eaten while I have seen them pass a black toadstool by several days unnoticed. Set XY -423, 303 pen down cubic -424, 296 -424, 289 -424. 282 pen up Set XY -423. 294 pen down cubic -409. 292 -406. 308 -423, 303 pen up Set XY -409 300 to pen down cubic -404. 296 -400- 292 -403. 284 pen up Set X. Y -403. pen down Square -400 298 -397. 301 -393. 305 pen up Set X. Y -381. Here we have a happy little pen down statement. That's it. And then Set heading -177 forward 19 Set heading 87 forward, 10 pen up Set X. Y -367. pen down cubic -367. 297 -368. 291 -368. 285 pen up Set X. Y -363. pen down cubic -359. 304 -355. 305 -351. 305 pen up Set XY -357. 304 pen down cubic -358. 299 -358, 291 -358. 286 pen up Set X. 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Y -433, up pen down cubic -430 to 259 -430 to 266 -430 to 273 cubic -420, 276 -416, 262 -431, 264 cubic -425, 263 -421, 258 -420 253 pen up Set X, Y -413, 273 pen down cubic -413. 252 -421, 252 -403. 253 pen up Set XY -399, 253 pen down cubic -381, 256 -376, 275-, 399, 273 cubic -399. 267 -399. 259 -399, 253 pen it occasionally when a female drops an egg on the ground, it is quickly eaten by the others. Ordinary hen's eggs are eaten and a great relish enjoyed hugely by them as thick sour milk. I have placed a quantity of this milk in two or three places in the pen and in five minutes it is surrounded by the turtles, just like flies on a lump of sugar. The scrapings of Limburger cheese have also been eaten Set XY -423, 354 pen down Set, -174. 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A piece of butter which had been upon a platter in the icebox for months was placed before them and this was eaten in due time, crab apples and cantaloupe are enjoyed by them, but watermelon is not so eagerly gobbled up like the cantaloupe. I was surprised one morning when I found one of the large turtles had caught and disembowel, the very large toad, which I had in the yard. 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Here you have the power to do anything you want Set heading 58 forward pen up. They prefer the shade and at certain times during the day if the sun is very hot, they retreat under the logs which I have for a shelter during rain, they are very active and move about with heads and necks outstretched, enjoying the shower bath hugely and evidently on the outlook for worms. 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Set heading 48 forward 33 cubic -190 -133 -198 -138 -200 to -147 Square -196 -143 -191 -139 -186 -134, pending. As a rule, they emerge in April sometimes the middle of the month, but as early as April six they made their appearance. If the weather does not stay warm, they again go back to their retreats, mating commences almost within a day or two after their emergence. The males are quite persistent in their lovemaking, biting at the female etcetera. And on two occasions I have seen the scale removed from the shell of the female and blood ooze from these surfaces Set XY -175 -150 up pen down Square -178 -153 -181 -157 -184 -161 Square -177 -156 -170 -151 -162 -146 Square -169 -156 -182 -163 -188 -174 cubic -177 -164 -166 -154 -154 -147 cubic -163 -156 -172 -166 -179 -177 Square -172 -170 -165 -163 -157 -157 Square -160 -163 -168 -168 -168 -174 cubic -165 -172 -163 -170 -160 -167 pen it Set XY -166 -208 pen down cubic -161 -203 -155 -199 -149 -197 cubic -154 -203 -161 -210 -167 -216 Set heading 59 forward, 38 Square -149 -208 -163 -220 -177 -234 cubic -164 -223 -151 -214 -137 -205 Set, heading -130 forward, 34 Set heading 62 forward, 20 Square -147 -220 -149 -223 -151 -224 cubic -149 -223 -146 -221 -144 -220 pen up Set X, Y -186 -278. 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It is not a slide, it is really a darting forward glide. Just recently I saw one male maltreating another in which the second fellow had all parts retracted and was being snapped at pushed and actually rolled over on his back by his opponent. Set XY -181 15 pen down cubic -188 -181 -180 -six cubic -174 -5 -169 -5 -164 -5 cubic -166 to -166 9 -165 16 cubic -170 15 -176 14 -181 15 pen up, Set XY -179 -19 pen down cubic -177 -19 -176 -19 -174 -20 set heading nine forward 13 cubic -172 -8 -176 -7 -177 -7 cubic -178 -7 -178 -17 -179 -19 pen up Set XY -171 -7. Up pen down cubic -169 -11 -168 -15 -168 -20 cubic -166 -19 -164 -19 -162 -19 cubic -168 -6 -162 -6 -171 -7 pen up Set XY -158. 4 pen down cubic -157 6 -156 7 -155 8 cubic -157, 10 -160 12 -163 14 cubic -167 10 -161 8 -158. 4 pen up Set X. Y -189. for pen down, cubic -193 -189, 3 -189 3 cubic -188 to -187 1 -187 -zero cubic -185 3 -182 5 -188 cubic -188 -181, 10 -181 11 cubic -183 12 -188, 5 -189. 4 pen up Set X, Y -164 17 pen down cubic -164, 22 -164, 26 -163, 30 Set, heading -83 forward. 15 cubic -178, 27 -179, 23 -179, 18 cubic -176 18 -168, 18 -164 17 pen up Set XY -170- 28. Up pen down cubic -170 to 28 -173 28 -174 28 cubic -173, 27 -174, 25 -174, 24 cubic -172, 25 -171, 25 -169, 24 cubic -169 27 -168 28 -170 to 28 pen up Set XY -163 28 pen down cubic -168, 28 -166, 28 -167, 24 cubic -166, 24 -165, 24 -164 24 Set XY -165, 21 pen down Square -167, 22 -170 22 -173, 22 sq -173 21 -173 20-173, 19 cubic -170 19-167 19-164 18 Bennett, Set XY -171, 22, pen down, sq -171 21 -171 20-171 19 pen up Set X. Y -168 22 pen down cubic -169 21 -169 20-169 19 pen up Set X. Y -166, pen down cubic -166 21 -166 20 -166 19, pen up Set XY -181 36 up pen down Set, heading -9 forward. 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Up pen down cubic -130 47 -129 47 -129, 47 cubic -128, 42 -134, 43 -133, 47 sq -133 49 -131, 51 -129, 49 pen up Set XY -125, 51 pen down cubic -126 49 -125 47 -125 46 pen up Set X. Y -125 43 pen down cubic -125 43 -126 43 -126 43 cubic -126 43 -125 43 -125 43 pen up Set X. Y -153 35 pen down cubic -153 33 -153 31 -150 to 29 pen up Set X. Y -156 34 pen down cubic -154 35 -153 35 -150- 36. Set X. Y -155 28 pen down Set heading 74 forward five pen up. Occasionally one can see a turtle dragging another one along the first one having the second fellows hind leg between his shell. This has probably been the result of a scuffle. I have never known a land turtle to bite but have often seen them open their mouths wide and hiss or draw in their breath with a hissing or sighing sound Set XY -149 37. Up pen down cubic -149 37 -149 36 -150 36 pen up Set X. Y -148 36 pen down cubic -147 33 -150 30 -145 31 pen up Set X. 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Up pen down cubic -153 -17 -149 -16 -145 -16 cubic -146 -11 -147 -six -149 -zero cubic -145 -2 -141 -2 -137 -3 cubic -137 -8 -137 -13 -138 -18 pen up Set XY -149 -1 up pen down cubic -155 -144, 10 -139 12 pen up Set XY -127, 26 pen down cubic -137 31 -144 14 -135 9 cubic -125, 3 -116, 22 -127. 26 pen up Set XY -139, 13 up pen down Square -138 9 -137 5 -135 to cubic -133 -2 -129 -3 -128 -7. Set XY -139. 12 pen down cubic -135 7 -131 -1 -124 -3 pen up Set XY -122 -3. Up pen down cubic -129 -4 -127 -9 -129 -10 cubic -126 -14 -117 -nine -119 -four cubic -123 -4 -127 -7 -129 -11. Bennett, Set XY -122 -4. Up pen down Square -122 -2 -123 -121 cubic -120 -zero -120 -two -120 -four pen. It Some people have turtles in their cellars believing that they catch rats and mice. I tried keeping some of mine in the cellar for two seasons in the wintertime. They kept up a constant walk exactly like a caged beast. I gave them meat, vegetables and water, but on no occasion did they take the proffered food in the spring? I found several of them dead. I believe that these turtles died because they were exhausted from wandering around and around during their time of hibernation. I also believe that this unnatural hibernation led them to refuse all food Set XY -120 -2. Up pen down cubic -120 -one -118 -one -118 -one cubic -118 0 -118 -117 cubic -115 -115 -one -116 -three cubic -117 -three -119 -three -119 -four pen up Set XY -117 -2 pen down cubic -117 -two -117 -two -117 -two pen up Set XY -128 -7 pen down cubic -130 -7 -131 -6 -132 -8 sq -132 -9 -130 -9 -129 -9 cubic -130 -10 -132 -11 -132 -12 cubic -131 -12 -130 -11 -129 -11 pen up Set XY -125 -14. Up pen down cubic -126 -14 -127 -14 -127 -14 cubic -125 -14 -123 -14 -120 -15 cubic -124 -15 -128 -16 -132 -16 cubic -129 -17 -125 -16 -122 -16 cubic -123 -16 -125 -17 -126 -17 pen up Set XY -18 -1 pen down Square -19, 1 -20-1 -24. to one -24. To pen up Set XY -14 pen down cubic -15, 3 -17 6 -27 pen up Said XY -9. 1 pen down cubic -10 5 -99 -7. 12 pen up Set XY -6. 1 pen down cubic -54 -46 -38 pen up Set XY -24 53 pen down cubic -25 55 -27 55 -29 56 pen up regarding the catching of rats and mice in cellars. I believe that rats and mice might be kept away by the noise made by the turtle making its endless march around the cellar. But doubt whether a turtle could catch a rat or a mouse Set XY -2054. pen down cubic -21 57 -23 59 -25 61 pen up Set XY -1754. Up pen down cubic -1758 -1763 -1466. Set XY -1454 pen down cubic -13 57 -11 59 -8 59 pen up Set XY -33 86. 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In this the turtles would enjoy themselves drinking from the edge with heads submerged or with the entire body submerged for sometimes as long as several hours. And even for a whole day, even in the country where I now have the herd, I have a small dish in which they can just get in and they certainly appreciate a bath Set. X, y. 39, 69 pen down cubic 43 69 47 70 50 to 70 Square, 50 76, 49, 83, 48, 89, Square 54, 88, 60 87, 66, 87 cubic 61 91 58 96 56 102 cubic 59 101 60 to 165 99 Square 60. 105 56. 112 53, 119 Square 55. 119 58. 118 61. 118 Square 57. 125 53, 131 50, 138 Square 50- 137, 54. 136 57. 135 cubic 51. 141 47. 148 45. 156 Square 45. 147 41. 139, 37, 131 39, 40- 133 44, 134 Square 41. 128, 38. 123 34. 117 Set heading 82 forward. Seven Square 39. 112 35. 107 30, 103 Set, heading 83 forward. Eight cubic 34 97 30 92 25 87 Square 43, 86, 43 95 39 69 pen up Set X. Y. 117 97, pen down set, heading 13 forward. 20 Don. 110. 126. 103. 128 97 pen up. How about some interesting things in 10 facts about marine turtles from the WWF UK. There are seven species of marine turtle. Marine turtles were around more than 100 million years ago and lived alongside dinosaurs. These days, scientists recognize seven species of marine turtle, the hawksbill, the loggerhead, the leatherback, the olive Ridley, the green, the flat back and the Kemps Ridley Set x. y. 121. 114 pen down Square. 119. 121. 123. 120 127 pen up. Set x. 113. 136 pen down Square. 128. 124. 124. 128. 131 Square. 144. 116. 150- 113. 136 pen up Set x. y. 125. 143 than down Square. 130- 113. 142. 118. 128 pen up Set x. y. 112. 138 up pen down Square. 141. 105. 136. 106. 132 cubic. 107. 128. 112. 125. 112. 120 Square. 125. 112. 129. 113. 134 pen it Set X. Y. 120. pen down Square. 120- 115. 117. 114. 112 pen up Set x. y. 121. 126 pen down Square. 126. 131. 126. 136. 133 pen up Set X. Y. 136. 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Y. 109 21, pen down, Square 109, 20- 108 24. 107 24 pen up Set x. y. 114 22 pen down Square. 114 25. 113 28. 112 31 pen up Set X. Y. 118 20, pen down, Don. 118 24. 119 28. 120- 31. Turtle shells are made of over 50 bones fused together. So they are literally wearing their bones on the outside. They also have light spongy bones that help them float Set x. y. 120 to 19 pen down Don. 21. 124, 24. 126 24 Set x. 45, 23 up pen down, cubic 40 to 21 41 16 38 13 cubic 41 12 40 to 8 45. 7 cubic 47. 8 49 7 51 6 cubic 54 5 57. 8 59 6 cubic 62 8 64 10 66 11 Square 66, 1952, 34, 45, 23 pen up Set x. y. 43, 21 pen down cubic 50 16 53 2054 8 pen up Set X. Y. 51, 18, pen down Square 51, 21, 56, 22, 57, 26 pen up Set X. Y. 229 -42, pen down, cubic 231 -40 to 233 -41 236 -41 Bennett Set x. y. 240 -39 pen down, Square 242 -39. 244 -38, 245 -38. Bennett Set x. y. 249 -37 pen down cubic 251 -36 252 -36 254 minus, 36 pen up Set X. Y. 257 -32, pen down, Square 258 -31. 259 -30, 260 -28. Tenet Set x. y. 263 -25 pen down, Square. -23. 265 -20: 266 -21 pen up Set X. Y. 269 -18. Up pen down sq 269 -17. 270 -16. 271 -15 Jenna Set x. y. 259 -37 pen down Set heading 104 forward six planet Set x. y. 269 -40 pen down Square. -41, 272 -41, 274 -42. Pen it Set x. y. 278 -42 up pen down. Set heading 97 forward five pen up Set x. y. 287 -44 pen down Square 289 -45. 290 -45. 291 -45, pen up said X. Y. 211 -10, pen down, Grade 213 -9. 216 -8, 218 -8. Their young lives are a mystery. The first few years of a marine turtles life are known as the lost years. That's because the time between when the hatchlings emerge until they return to coastal shallow waters to forage is incredibly difficult to study The lost years. They spend at sea, which can be up to 20 years largely remain a mystery to us. Set x. 223 -6 pen down, Square. -5. 226 -5. 228 -5 pen up Set x. y. 233 -3 pen down Square 234 -3. 236 -3. 237 -3 pen up Set X. Y. 243 -1, pen down Square 244 0, 246 0, 248 0 pen up Set x. y. 253. 1 put down Set heading 71 forward six pen up Set x. y. 245 16 pen down Set, heading 117 forward five pen up Set x. y. 253, 12 pen down Set, heading 122 forward five pen up Set x. y. 268 pen down Set, heading 129 forward five pen up Set x. y. 269 pen down, Square. 271 0, 272 -1 pen up Set x. y. 275 -3 pen down, Square. -4. 277 -4. 278 -5 pen up Set X. Y. 321 -35. Up pen down 316 -25, 301 -28, 295 -36 308 -46. 314 -38, 326 -34 334 -35, 333 -42, 322 -39 pen up Set x. y. 319 -38 pen down 322 -39, 324 -42, 326 -45 321 -47, 319 -42, 316 -39 323 -46, 298 -48, 304 -41 cubic 300 to -43 300 to -45 301 -47 300 -47, 298 -47, 296 -47 Square 296 -44, 297 -41, 299 -39, cubic 295 -40 to 289 -4200 and 86 -36 Grade 289 -38, 293 -37. 296 -36 pen up Set x. y. 325 -36 pen down Square 325 -36. 326 -36. 326 -36. Bennett, They can be ginormous. Marine turtle species, vary greatly in size. The smallest Kemps Ridley measure around 70 cm long and weigh up to 40 kg whilst the leatherback can reach up to 180 cm long and weigh 500 kg. That is over 10 times heavier. Amazingly, whales holds the world record for the largest marine turtle ever found in 1988. A leatherback was found ashore measuring 2.5 m long, 2.5 m from flipper to flipper and weighing over 900 kg. Set XY. -44. Up pen down 396 -46. 375 -25, 389 -17 382 -16. 371 -20373 -29 374 -35. 376 -39, 372 -44 Square, -37, 373 -25, 363 -28 Set, heading 31 forward one Set, -89. Forward one Square, -26, 364 -25, 362 -24 Square, -24, 363 -20: 362 -23 Square, -21, 362 -20, 362 -19 361 -19, 359 -20, 359 -21 cubic, 351 -20 to 351 -30 to 360 minus, 30 360 -31, 361 -31, 362 -32 361 -34, 359 -33, 358 -34 359 -36, 362 -35, 364 -35, 359 -36, 361 -42, 365 -42 365 -44, 363 -43. 362 -44 Square. -47, 368 -45, 370 -45 pen it Set x. y. 358 -25 pen down, Square. -25, 357 -26. 357 -25 pen up Set x. y. 355 -22 pen down, Square. -18. 355 -19. 358 -21 pen up Set x. y. 503 -3 Up pen down. Set, heading 13 forward, 19 sq 510 9. 511 3, 513 -3 pen up Set x. y. 507. 14 up pen down Square. 507, 18. 508 22. 509 25 pen up Said X. Y. 509 26. Up pen down cubic. 505 20 to 501 18. 499 13 pen up Set x. y. 510 26 pen down Square. 21. 513 17. 514 12 pen up Set x. y. 506 36 pen down sq 511 17. 530 30 520 44 sq 514 48. 506 43. 506 36 pen. 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It is estimated that only around one in 1000 marine turtle hatchlings make it to adulthood. This is down to the long time it takes for them to reach maturity and the many dangers faced by hatchlings and juveniles. 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Tenet Set XY. 464 -137 pen down Square 466 -130 468 -123. 467 -117 Square 466 -116. 466 -115. 466 -113 Square 466 -110. 465 -107 465 -103 pen up. They make some interesting noises. Female leatherbacks make some strange noises when they are nesting, some of which sound similar to a human belch Set x. y. 529 -14 pen down Grade 536 -37. 525 -45. 523 -63 sq 522 -71. 512 -78. 516 -87 pen up Set x. y. 555 8 pen down Square. -2. 554 -14. 550 -24 pen up Set x. y. 495 -19 pen down Square. -28. 493 -38. 494 -48 pen up Set x. y. 456 -33 Up pen down Set, -178. Forward. 20 cubic 456 minus. 40 to 466 -36. 471 -29 pen up Set x. y. 461 -29 pen down sq 460 -34. 460 -38. 460 -43 pen up Set x. y. 292 -94 Up pen down 290 -110. 291 -106. 294 -119 296 -129. 287 -140 292 -147 pen up Set X. Y -28 -156. Up pen down cubic 37 -132 -36 -105 -37 -79 pen up Set XY -18 -163 pen down cubic -21 -156 -23 -148 -25 -140 pen up Set XY -9 -160 up pen down cubic -8 -158 -9 -156 -10 -154 cubic -10 -152 -nine -150 -nine -148 cubic -8 -144 -11 -139 -11 -135 cubic -8 -126 -13 -117 -14 -108 pen up Set XY -10 -138 Up pen down cubic -9 -144 -5 -149 -3 -155. pen up. Just let it happen Set XY -48 -145, pen down cubic -49 -136 -53 -128 -53 -119 cubic -53 -116 -50 to -113 -53 -110 cubic -53 -106 -55 -103 -55 -99 pen up Set XY -90 -84 Up pen down cubic -93 -103 -81 -109 -80 -124 Square -74 -133 -69 -143 -69 -154 cubic -69 -156 -67 -159 -69 -160 pen up Set XY -130 -68. 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Xy 17 -57 pen down Square 12 -78, 23 -120 -122 m20 -126 19-131, 22 -135 pen up Set XY 51 -41 pen down cubic 53 -53 51 minus, 64 51 minus, 76 Square,-, 78, 51 -80, 53 -80 pen up Set x. y. 131 -69 pen down Square 128 -75. 126 -80: 128 -89 Square. -103, 125 -118, 129 -132 pen up Set x. y. 100 to -172 up pen down Square 100 -159 99 -147, 110 -139 106 -154, 118 -155. 121 -166 Square. -167, 122 -173, 122 -177 123 -177, 123 -176, 123 -176 pen up Set X, Y. 117 -182 up pen down Square. -180, 114 -176, 112 -174 108 -173, 107 -168. 105 -165 101 -157, 100- -146, 110 -140 pen up Set x. y. 113 -115 pen down Square. -118, 112 -121, 114 -123 cubic 114 -128 114 -130 to 116 -136 pen up Set x. y. 181 -188 pen down Square. -183, 178 -180: 181 -177 182 -176, 183 -175, 183 -173 180 -170, 182 -167, 182 -162 Square 183 -159, 180 -156. 182 -153 pen up Set X, Y. 199 -177. Up pen down Square. -169. 192 -160: 189 -154 Square 192 -142, 187 -129, 186 -117 pen up. They have color preferences, turtles seem to prefer red, orange and yellow food. They appear to investigate these colors more than others when looking for a meal Set X, Y. 240 -178 pen down 241 -174, 238 -170, 241 -165 241 -162, 239 -159, 239 -156 239 -153, 240 -151, 240 -149 238 -146, 239 -142, 239 -139 238 -134, 230 -131, 233 -126 pen up Set x. y. 250 -86 pen down 250, -97, 252 -108, 254 -119 Square. -124, 251 -129, 253 -133 pen up Set X. Y. 333 -85, pen down, 331 -91, 332 -97. 331 -103 330 -105 329 -107, 329 -108 Square. -110, 330, 1 -113. 330 -115. Set x. 320 -158 pen down 321 -155, 322 -150- 321 -149 pen up Set x. y. 270 -153 pen down Set, -173. Forward seven pen up Set x. y. 442 -151 pen down Square. -154. 446 -156. 449 -155 Square. -153. 448 -151. 449 -149 pen up Set x. y. 515 -124 pen down Square. -128. 523 -126. 521 -122 pen up Set x. y. 156 -15 pen down Set, heading -27 forward seven pen up Set XY. 162 -13. Up pen down Set, -27. Forward nine Set x. 166 -14 pen down Square 166 -10. 166 -7. 167 -3 pen up Set x. y. 172 -14 pen down Square 172 -12. 174 -9. 176 -8 pen up. You know I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down Set. Xy 200 -179 pen down Square. -180: 196 -186 195 -190 Square 191 -199. 186 -207. 182 -216 Square 186 -218, 190 -215. 193 -213 Square 199 -208, 206 -207, 212 -203 -203 Square 219 -200 227 -203 235 -201 242 -198, 249 -194, 257 -193 262 -191, 261 -182, 265 -179 273 -176, 272 -167, 268 -160 pen up Set X, Y. 290, -150 pen down, Square. -155, 295 -160 295 -166 300 -163, 300 -156, 307 -155 pen up, Set X, Y. 271 -168 pen down 274 -173, 280, 1 -174, 286 -176 pen up said x. 263 -181 pen down Square. -185, 267 -187, 271 -187 274 -187 276 -193, 278 -190 pen up Set x. y. 259 -191 pen down cubic 256 -196 266 -202 170 -200 to Square 271 -201, 272 -201, 273 -203. Hand up marine turtles can migrate incredibly long distances. The longest known record is for a female leatherback who swam nearly 13,000 miles over 647 days from Indonesia to the west coast of America. That is over 20 miles a day Set x. y. 329 -157 pen down 329 -155, 331 -157, 330 -158 326 -171, 315 -179, 306 -189 Square, -189, 311 -188, 314 -195 337 -194, 335 -183, 352 -179 369 -174, 408 -177, 412 -156 Tennis Set X, Y. 542 -115 pen down Grade 523 -132, 504 -147, 488 -166 Square, -174, 452 -188, 434 -200 Square, -213, 385 -215, 361 -225 Square, -229, 342 -234, 333 -239 317 -247, 299 -248, 283 -255 Square, -269, 264 -270, 245 -272 240 -274, 236 -279, 231 -281 Square, -284, 215 -279, 209 -283 Square. -294, 200 -320, 176 -300 pen up Set x. y. 188 -307 up pen down Square. -317, 183 -328. 173 -322 Square. -320: 157 -317. 158 -309 pen up Set XY. 182 -324 pen down, Square. -324, 181 -324, 182 -324 Square. -329, 182 -339, 185 -346 Square. -357, 189 -367, 194 -379 Square. -385, 204 -389, 205 -396 211 -406, 227 -406, 233 -416 pen up Set X. Y -105 -192 up pen down cubic -100 -208 -77 -198 -70 to -208 cubic -66 -207 -60 to -212 -60 -217 cubic -54 -225 -35 -223 -35 -236 cubic 36 -254 -21 -227 -11 -276 cubic -7 -278 -5 -282 -6 -286 cubic -8 -297 -7 -309 -6 -320 cubic -6 -333 -3 -347 -4 -361 cubic -6 -367 -8 -373 -9 -380 cubic -13 -397 -29 -405 -43 -412 cubic -28 -411 -12 -405 3 -406 cubic 6 -406, 10 -403, 13 -404 m22 -411, 23 -409, 34 -405 Square 40 -404, 46 -409 53 -411 cubic 63 -415 75 -411 82 -400 to cubic 92 -406 101 -415 112 -416 Square 117 -415, 120 -410, 124 -408 cubic 136 -403 150 -420 to 161 -410 Square 166 -409, 172 -415, 177 -413 Square 184 -405, 194 -412, 203 -411 Square, -410, 203 -408, 204 -407 Square, -412, 224 -415, 235 -416 pen up Set X, Y 32 -162 up pen down cubic 29 -174 38 -180 to 33 -197 32 -205, 37 -212, 40 -220 m 50 -251, 26 -280- 1 -297 pen up Set x. y. 33 -203 Up pen down cubic 17 -194 30 to -239 19 -253 cubic 6 -267 19-263 -3 -281 pen up Set. Xy 24 -211 pen down 32 -204 17 -194 8 -194 cubic six -194 4 -198 6 -200 cubic 6 -180 -13 -185 -23 -175 cubic -25 -163 -41 -168 -41 -155 pen up Set XY -30, 1 -243 pen down Set heading 136 forward, one cubic -27 -243 -20, 1 -242 -21 -237. Tenet Said XY -36 -232. Up pen down cubic -35 -229 -34 -227 -30 to -224 pen up Set X. Y -16 -257 pen down cubic -12 -256 -8 -254 -7 -251. Tenet Set XY -13 -269 pen down cubic -14 -265 -nine -261 -seven -259 tenant they always return home. Females return to the same beach, they hatched on to lay their own eggs and bury them in sand nests. Marine turtles. Amazing ability to navigate comes from their sensitivity to the earth's magnetic fields Set x. y. 1 -252 pen down 3 -254 -248 5 -245 pen up Set XY -44 -160, pen down cubic -40 to -167 -36 -170 -29 -172 cubic -25 -175 -24 -183 -19 -185 cubic -13 -187 -4 -185 -2 -193 cubic 0 -196 -1 -201, 3 -203. Set XY -99 -192 pen down cubic -96 -198 -76 -198 -69 -201 cubic -66 -201 -64 -200 to -60 to -205 cubic -57 -214 -47 -220 -38 -226 pen up Set XY -83 -188 pen down cubic -80 -189 -76 -189 -73 -188 cubic -65 -192 -57 -198 -50 to -205 cubic -51 -207 -50 -208 -47 -208 cubic -44 -209 -43 -214 -40 -214 pen up Set XY -59 -169 pen down cubic -50 to -184 -50 -170 -41 -188 pen up Set XY -14 -212 pen down cubic -9 -215 -5 -219 -5 -225 cubic -3 -229, 3 -234 -235. pen up Set XY -10 -386. Up pen down cubic seven -361 -five -330 -zero -303 pen up Set XY -7 -315 pen down cubic -7 -324 -7 -333 -9 -342 cubic -9 -349 -3 -355 -4 -361 Set XY -1 -393 pen down Square to -380 10 -366. 6 -352 cubic -one -337 -zero -316 10 -300 to pen up Set. Xy 7 -396 pen down cubic nine -387 9 -377 12 -369 Square 15 -364, 16 -360 11 -356 cubic 8 -352 5 -347 5 -342 pen up Set x. y. 10 -341 pen down Square 12 -344 14 -346, 15 -349 m 23 -315, 1 -313, 10 -341 pen up Set. Xy 16 -355 pen down m 25 -357, 22 -344, 23 -338 pen up Set XY. 56 -237, pen down, cubic 59 -264 22 -281 28 -308 Square, -326, 33 -346, 29 -363 37 -370 22 -376, 21 -383 m20 -388 20-394, 17 -399 pen it, move the turtle playing working. Just having fun Set. Xy 8 -403 pen down Square 10 -412 -396, 14 -393 Square 13 -397, 14 -400- 16 -406 pen up Set Xy 77 -406 pen down 31 -483 -394, 84 -387 m83 -393, 83 -399 86 -404 pen up Set. Xy 72 -167 pen down cubic 66 -188, 71 -208 79 -227 cubic 79 -235 75 -240 to 79 -250 Square 79 -254, 74 -257 75 -261 pending Set. Xy 76 -280 pen down Square 71 -290 79 -301 74 -310 cubic 70 -320 65 -323 67 -335 pending Here are some more interesting bits from interesting facts about turtles. A little nature study by a scientist Forest and stream, january 1916. The laying of eggs, this is one of the most instructive things that I have ever watched. Invariably they chose in my yard A situation with a southern exposure when desiring to lay in only two instances was an eastern exposure observed, and once a western part of the yard being a cement walk, we could sometimes observe the female making motions as for digging the nest. Sometimes for a half a day she would remain stationary and with her back legs commenced to work for this purpose, lifting her to the grass plot In a short time she would commence to dig first with the left hind foot she would remove a little dirt and pile it up on her left side, then with the right hind foot and pile the removed dirt upon the right side. This would be repeated again and again probably for hours until the proper size hole and depth was obtained. Set x. 49 -301 up pen down, 41 -316 45 -330 48 -345 cubic 48 -354 42 -360 to 41 -371 m43 -383 40 -395 33 -405 pending Set x. y. 38 -396 up pen down 37 -438 -405 42 -408 pen up Set x. y. 121 -409 up pen down Square 128 -400, 123 -388, 125 -377 Square. -374, 127 -371, 127 -368 121 -359, 128 -349, 125 -340 Square 116 -329, 118 -315. 116 -300 to pen up Set X. Y. 94 -300 to up pen down 35 -312 92 -327 89 -339 cubic 80 -348 87 -359 84 -370 cubic 83 -370 to 82 -377 86 -377 pen up Set X. Y. 124 -257. Up pen down 120 -270 123 -285. 132 -296 Square. -300: 134 -310, 136 -316 tenant Set x. y. 144 -320 pen down Square. -325. 150 -334, 147 -341 Square 145 -353. 154 -348, 149 -361 pen up Set x. y. 142 -371 pen down, Square. -377. 137 -383. 140 -389 Square. -392. 144 -395. 143 -399 pen up Set x. y. 125 -395 pen down Square. -399. 128 -407. 132 -406 pen up Set x. y. 158 -413 pen down Square. -398. 157 -379. 161 -361 Square. -360: 161 -360: 161 -363 pen up Set x. y. 163 -399 pen down Square. -404, 164 -409. 169 -412. Tenet Set x. y. 203 -410 pen down Square. -400 200 -404. 197 -396 195 -384. 182 -381, 185 -366 190 -350: 175 -345. 179 -329 pen up Set x. y. 172 -331 pen down Square. -339. 178 -348. 176 -357 pen up Set x. y. 179 -373 pen down Square. -381. 182 -388. 187 -394 pen up Set XY -3 -285 pen down cubic -8 -297 -3 -310 -5 -323 pen up Set X. Y -10 -388 pen down cubic -12 -400 -24 -404 -33 -409 pen up Set X. Y -11 -400 up pen down cubic -5 -392 -5 -383 -3 -374 pen up Set X. Y. 187 -300 to up pen down 205 -301. 191 -274, 221 -278 pen up Set x. y. 233 -272 pen down Square. -262, 259 -271, 273 -253 Square. -241. 311 -247, 323 -232 tenant Set x. y. 180, 2 -249 pen down Square. -245. 204 -231 218 -226 229 -223, 243 -226. 252 -219 pen up Set X. Y. 257 -197. Up pen down Square 242 -200 241 -210. 221 -206 Square 210 -205. 200- -216. 191 -218. Bennett, Set x. 183 -196 pen down Square 181 -201. 180 -206. 175 -210 Square 170 -219. 166 -230. 164 -240. Egg laying does not always occur during the daytime. As I have observed one or two digging away past midnight. Sometimes they will have dug for about an inch or so and then not make any more progress downward. In these instances they have met with obstructions like a small stone which they cannot remove. I have with a pair of forceps removed the obstruction on several occasions with the turtle still in c. two and after a minute or two she resumes her work Set x. y. 179 -219 pen down Square. -224. 171 -238. 168 -247 Square. -254. 168 -260. 170 -267 Square. -277. 163 -292. 174 -298 pen up Set x. y. 156 -246 pen down Square. -256. 156 -266. 154 -276 Square. -280: 158 -288. 157 -293 pen up Set x. y. 147 -241 pen down Square. -251. 145 -261. 144 -271 Square. -278, 148 -284, 148 -291 Square. -295. 146 -300 150 -303 pen up Set x. y. 163 -247 pen down Square. -255. 163 -260: 164 -270 Square. -280. 157 -294. 167 -300 pen up Set X. Y. 176 -305, pen down, Square. -306. 183 -311, 186 -309 pen up Set x. y. 180 -263 up pen down Square. -270, 180 -280. 188 -282 pen up Set x. y. 248 -234 pen down, Square. -230: 254 -235, 257 -237 Square. -236, 261 -242, 257 -242 249 -245, 241 -248, 234 -252 Square. -255, 227 -255, 223 -253 219 -253, 216 -257, 212 -256 223 -247, 233 -236, 248 -234 pen tip Set x. y. 273 -233 pen down 286 -220, 280 -226. 294 -226 Square. -224 315 -213. 326 -207 -207 340 -205. 355 -200 Won, 367 -192 pen up. There is an artist in the bottom of everybody Set x. y. 304 -190 pen down 300 -194, 294 -194, 290 -191 pen up Set x. y. 314 -195 pen down Square. -215. 286 -197 274 -209 pen up Set x. y. 343 -187 pen down Square. -173. 397 -185. 413 -164 pen up Set XY. 458 -176 pen down Square 442 -186. 425 -198. 407 -205 395 -207, 383 -205, 373 -212 360 -219, 345 -223, 335 -233 pen up Set x. y. 513 -132 pen down 506 -137, 500 -143. 495 -150 494 -153, 492 -154, 489 -155 482 -159. 477 -170 468 -170 pen up Set x. y. 455 -156 pen down Square. -162. 439 -173. 427 -174 pen up Set x. y. 404 -185 pen down Square. -187. 394 -190 388 -192 pen up Set XY. 366 -203 pen down Square. -205. 353 -211, 346 -215 pen up Set x. y. 124 -189 pen down Square. -212 98 -213 93 -230 39 -243 86 -259 94 -272 pen up Set x. y. 130, 2 -178 pen down Square. -212, 129 -200- 119 -225 Square. -235. 101 -253. 106 -268 Square 106 -273. 104 -279. 109 -283 pen up Set x. y. 152 -194 pen down Square. -211, 134 -211. 136 -241 pen up Set x. y. 141 -180 up pen down 142 -185, 141 -189, 139 -193 pen up Set XY. 166 -189 pen down Square. -197. 164 -203. 159 -209 157 -214. 157 -220 155 -225 pending Set XY. 48 -160 pen down Square 45 -171 48 -180: 53 -191 Square 55 -199 50 -208 55 -214. The nest or repository is about 3\" in depth and about an inch and a half or a little more in width. When she has it finished, she discharges her eggs into it. When the egg is deposited in the hole, she is not just satisfied in dropping it, but she reaches down with her hind leg and places the egg horizontally and covers a little dirt over it. Then the second egg and the remaining eggs are all treated similarly and when the last one is deposited and placed, she commences to fill up with the dirt that remains this. She puts into the hole with an alternate right and left leg until all is filled in. Set XY 34 -159 pen down 36 -169, 37 -178, 37 -188 35 -197 38 -205 43 -213 pen up Set x. 38 -157 pen down, 38 -160-39 -167, 40 -172 pen up Set XY 83 -119 pen down Square 77 -197 82 -205 87 -210 m89 -215 90 -220 97 -217 Square 124 -204. 107 -166 83 -119. Tenet Set XY 90 -204 pen down 34 -214. 104 -205. 100- -198 Square 97 -196 87 -197 90 -204 pen up Set XY 94 -218 pen down Square 95 -215 95 -212 96 -209 cubic 94 -212 91 -214 89 -216 Set heading 43 forward pen up Set XY 96 -209 pen down cubic 97 -211 98 -213 99 -216 pen it Set XY 89 -200 pen down 35 -204 85 -195 89 -194 Square 93 -193 98 -193. 100- -192 Square 107 -191. 107 -201. 100- -198 pen up Set X. Y 94 -192 pen down cubic 93 -188 98 -189 97 -193 pen up Set x. y. 160 -121 pen down Square. -145. 166 -129. 159 -162 pen up Set x. y. 147 -166 pen down Square. -171. 147 -177. 145 -182 pen up Set x. y. 182 -298 pen down, Square. -298. 193 -292. 195 -287 pen up Set x. y. 193 -304 pen down, Square. -300 204 -294, 207 -287 207 -286, 208 -284, 210 -284 243 -283, 230 -276, 250, 1 -271 pen up Set XY -31 -243 pen down cubic -30 -248 -23 -249 -20 -253 cubic -16 -259 -18 -269 -12 -274 cubic -8 -277 -8 -281 -9 -285 Square -11 -301 -7 -317 -6 -333 venom Set XY. 240 -274 pen down 249 -268, 264 -274, 273 -266 Square, -263, 278 -260, 281 -258 287 -256, 293 -257, 298 -253 309 -245, 323 -245, 335 -240 Square. -237, 344 -231, 349 -232 pen up Set x. y. 345 -232 pen down Square. -226, 362 -225, 371 -224 Square, -218. 404 -210, 421 -206 -206 pen up Set XY. 182 -325 pen down Square. -336, 185 -346, 189 -356 Square 187 -367, 196 -375. 197 -386 Square. -393, 208 -394, 210 -400 to pen up Set X. Y -104 -197 pen down cubic -98 -197 -95 -204 -89 -205 cubic -73 -200 to -67 -211 -57 -221 cubic -48 -226 -35 -227 -35 -241 cubic -31 -249 -21 -252 -19 -262 pen up Set XY. 257 -193 pen down 235 -203, 211 -201, 191 -215 187 -216, 180 -217, 179 -222 180 -214, 184 -206, 188 -199 191 -194, 190 -186, 195 -182 pen up Set X, Y 32 -160 pen down 33 -167 32 -175, 34 -181 37 -19035 -236 -209 cubic 34 -205 30 -201 28 -207 m 28 -210, 28 -214, 24 -217 m23 -209 14 -189 6 -198 cubic five -204 -200 to 3 -199 cubic -4 -175 -12 -191 -24 -177 cubic -28 -160 -38 -173 -43 -156 pen up Set X, y. -158 pen down 404 -173, 386 -177, 370 -175 367 -175, 364 -175, 363 -177 361 -184, 358 -181, 353 -180 343 -180, 318 -205, 311 -194 310 -195, 309 -195, 308 -194 Set heading 24 forward for 307 -190 305 -190, 303 -191 Square, -176. 330, 1 -168. 329 -152 pen up Set X. Y -198 94 pen down cubic -177. 101 -155. 109 -130- 110 cubic -124, 110 -116, 107 -108. 108 cubic -9100 and 14 -71. 112 -50 to 114 pen up Set XY -21. 114 pen down cubic -14. 116 -7. 117 -1. 112 Square 11. 112 23. 113 34. 110 pen up Set x. y 60. 108 pen down Square 70: 106 85. 109 97. 110 cubic. 101 110. 100. 1, 111. 103. 112 Square. 112. 108. 111. 109. 113 pen up Set x. y. 127. 113 pen down, Square. 116. 150- 103. 168. 110 224. 281. 109, 336, 105 Set heading -126 forward 13 Square, 95, 329 91, 325 88 Square, 80, 371 88, 394 86 Square. 85. 415 82. 426, 81 Square. 84. 476 66. 499, 74 Square. 79. 538, 80 553 72 Square. 71. 576 74, 587, 69, Square. 68. 588, 69. 591, 68 pen up Set X, Y. 336. pen down Don. 99. 336 92, 338 85 Jenna Set XY. 330 93 pen down Square. 90, 331 87. 332 85 pen up Set x. y. 270- 109 pen down Don. 121, 360- 144, 398. 175 cubic 406. 180 to 414. 189. 424 192 cubic. 434. 184 444 175 450 to 165 cubic 460 to 151 473. 138 486 128 cubic 509. 110 530 88 556 74 pen up set, X, Y. 380 to 161 pen down set, heading -133 forward 16 set, heading 70 forward. 30 cubic 395. 155 393. 153 192. 144 cubic 426. 174 107 159 423 147 set heading 38 forward 13 cubic 434. 155 435 147 441 148 cubic. 442 149 442 154 445 153 cubic 450 to 151 458. 147 464. 144 cubic 461. 149 459. 153 457 158 pen tip set, X, Y. 220. 115 up pen down, cubic 246. 124 269. 142 293. 154 cubic 304. 148 314. 143 125. 133 cubic. 326. 133 327. 130 to 327. 132 cubic. 328. 133 328. 135. 328. 134 Bennett Set X. Y. 269. 139 up pen down set, heading -135 forward eight set, heading 68 forward, 19 cubic. 280. 139. 279. 137 280. 135 cubic 287. 140. 290. 141. 297. 134 cubic. 295. 141 301 141 304. 137 cubic 306. 135. 311. 137. 309. 140 set heading. 112 forward. Seven cubic. 315. 139. 314. 141. 312. 142 pen up. After it is all done. She pats it with both her hind feet together and then with her body raised and lowered pets and smooths over the place where the eggs are buried. Then she leaves it and never looks after it as the sun now plays its part in hatching. The eggs, the eggs are whitish in color with a semi elastic shell about the size of a pigeon. Egg set X. Y. 483. 134 up pen down, cubic. 570. 178. 507. 182. 590. 1. 112 pen up set X. Y. 512. 149 up pen down, cubic. 510. 147 508. 144 507. 142 set heading 64 forward, 18 cubic 520 to 147 521 145 521 142 cubic 530 to 153 534. 144 544 138 cubic 545. 141 545. 144 546. 147 set, heading 117 forward. 15 pen up Set, X. Y. 421 268 pen down, cubic. 423 276. 424 285. 425 294 cubic. 420 to 295. 423 299 425 300 cubic, 427 300 to 434 304 131 297 cubic. 429 294 426. 294 423 295 cubic. 426 294 432 195 431 297 cubic 438 294 144 283 452 175 pen up set X. Y. 426 282 up pen down set, heading for forward, cubic 430 to 280 to 434 288. 439 283 cubic. 442 183 442 183. 442 183 set heading. 121 forward, one pen up set X. Y. 420 to 283 pen down, cubic. 421 280 to 422 180 to 418 282 cubic. 422 184 119 277 417 278 cubic. 417 274 419 273 414 271 cubic 414 274 116 274 116 268 cubic 417 267 415 265 416 264 cubic 417 263 422 164 422 162 cubic 419 258 424 259 426 258 cubic 428 256 432 158 430 to 259 cubic. 439 256 435 263 446 260 cubic. 445 268 451 263 452 172 cubic. 453 263 448 264 447 257 cubic. 435 259 441 250 to 430 to 256 cubic. 426 251 427 258 423 255 cubic. 419 257 417 261. 414 264 pen up, set X, Y. 428 273 pen down, cubic. 426 271. 429 271 432 169 cubic. 432 268. 435. 269. 436 270 cubic. 441 275 431 278. 428 273 pen up set, X. Y. 415 279 pen down cubic. 405 293 198 300 to 389 313 cubic. 395 293 404 275. 411 256 cubic. 416 249. 426. 245. 433 239 set, heading -16 forward 14 pen up set X. Y. 386 311 pen down cubic. 393. 291 402 171. 409 252 cubic. 415. 246. 420 to 242 429 236 pen up set X. Y. 380 to 309 up pen down cubic. 391 289. 398 267 407 247 cubic. 413 242. 422 139. 425 234 pen up set X. Y. 384 301 pen down cubic. 380 to 301. 381 303 183 100 set, heading 149 forward. 27 pen up set X. Y. 433 469 pen down. Set, heading. 154 forward 17 pen up set X. Y. 447. 443 up pen down cubic. 454 138. 453. 433. 456. 428 pen. It set X. Y. 463. 418 pen down cubic. 466. 414. 470. 409. 473 405 pen up set X. Y. 480. 397 pen down, cubic. 483. 393. 487. 389. 493 185 set X. Y. 496. 378. Up pen down, cubic. 499. 375. 503. 371. 506. 368 pen it set X. Y. 512. 363 up pen down. Set, heading. 128 forward. 16 pen up set, X. Y. 530 to 349 up pen down, cubic. 536. 345. 543 143. 544. 340 pen up set X. Y. 550 to 336 pen down, cubic. 556. 332. 561. 335 165. 327 pen up set X. Y. 574. 322 pen down, cubic. 579. 320. 583. 318. 588. 316 pen up set X. Y. 476. 451 pen down, cubic. 484 145. 479. 438. 481. 432 cubic. 483. 438. 486. 444. 488. 450 pen up set X. Y. 490. 433 pen down, cubic. 495. 459. 504 156. 504. 432 pen up set. X. Y. 492. 442 pen down set, heading 92 forward. Nine pen up. The number laid by a turtle varies I have seen. Three and on one occasion I have seen eight late at one sitting. I have also observed one turtle laying its eggs covering them over. And a little later a day or two. Another female dig in the same place, remove the eggs and lay her own in this doubly doug repository. Once a female dug six hours and laid four eggs. Another dug several hours. The whole measured two inches across and three and one half inches in depth. And she laid eight eggs within a half hour. Set X. Y. 517. 448 pen down cubic. 510. 459. 500. 425. 519. 434 pen up set X. Y. 520 to 450 pen down cubic. 518. 424. 540. 427. 534. 451 pen up set X. Y. 544 149 pen down cubic. 533. 425. 558. 428. 550 to 451 pen up set. X. Y. 556. 433 up pen down cubic. 556. 438. 557. 443 557 449 cubic. 569. 437. 564. 444 574 450 cubic 575. 444 572 437 573 431 pen up set X. Y. 505 400 pen down cubic. 511 400 to 512 409 511 415 cubic. 507. 419 500 to 419. 497. 419 cubic. 498. 414 498. 410 498 405 cubic. 497. 398. 498 396 505 400 pen up set X, Y. 526 417 pen down cubic. 520 to 419 518 419 514 419 cubic. 516 397 509 398 526. 400 to pen up set X. Y. 520 to 400. 11 pen down cubic. 524 111. 516. 409. 515. 410 pending set X. Y. 541. 417 pen down cubic. 526. 427. 526. 392. 541 403 pen up set X. Y. 544 400 up pen down cubic. 548. 425. 554. 420 to 559. 399 pen up set X Y. 546. 408 pen down, cubic. 549. 409. 550 to 410. 556. 409 pen up set X. Y. 567. 398 pen down set, heading one forward, 12 cubic. 564. 410. 562. 415. 559. 416 pen it set. X. Y. 567. 410 pen down cubic. 569. 413. 572. 415 575. 418 pen up set X. Y. For 376. Up pen down cubic 3, 373. 1, 369 366 cubic -11, 371 -25 373 -38 377 cubic -35 382 -42 384 -45 388 set heading 44 forward 11 cubic -33 394 -25 378 -24 388 cubic -28 389 -25 396 -21 394 cubic -17, 393 -19, 387 -23 388 cubic -25 384 -20 to 384 -19, 383 cubic -13, 382 -1, 377 4, 376 pen up set X y -39 370 pen down cubic -4300 and 65 -31 369 -35 372 cubic -37. 374 -39 372 -39 370 pen up set X y -25 368 pen down cubic -26. 367 -25 364 -23 365 cubic -17, 364 -20 to 374 -25. 368 pen up set X y -9, 361 pen down cubic -5. 356. 1, 363 -5. 366 cubic -7. 366 -10. 363 -9. 361. Open up set X y -35 372 pen down cubic -28 376 -21 381 -23 370 pen it set X y -6. 366. Been down cubic -6. 368 -5. 372 -7. 374 cubic -12, 376 -17. 378 -20 to 379 cubic -20 to 379 -24. 376 -24. 376 pen up set X Y -4, 379. Up pen down set, heading 18 forward. 13 cubic -1, 392 -2, 392 -4. 392 cubic -2, 394 -1. 397 -1. 400 cubic 3. 399 7. 398 11. 396 cubic 11. 394 10, 391 9, 388 cubic 7. 389. 5. 393. 390 cubic to 387 -0. 380 -0. 378 Set X Y 2. 370 pen down, cubic 7. 364 10. 375. 4, 374 cubic 4. 374. 4. 375. 4. 375 tenant set. Xy 2300 and 81 up pen down, cubic. 2300 and 77 25. 377 26. 380 cubic, 28. 385 2300 and 86 2300 and 81 pen it set. Xy 7, 373 put down cubic 11, 374 15, 377 19, 379 pen up set. Xy 23 378 pen down cubic 24. 375 24 369 24 366 pen up set. Xy 25. 363 pen down cubic 25. 362 27 360 to 28 361 cubic 28 364 29 366 29 368 cubic 29. 368 27. 368 27. 368 cubic 25. 368 25. 364 25 363 pen up set. Xy 26. 361 up pen down, cubic 26. 360 26. 359 26. 357 set heading 28 forward. Oh, pen it. Not all eggs hatch out. But in the instance where eight were laid, I had the pleasure of seeing six little baby turtles come out other eggs which were laid in a hole dug with a western or eastern exposure, never came to anything. I have dug carefully into these nests, but I have always come upon decomposing eggs set. Xy 25 343 pen down cubic 26. 344 28 344 29 345 cubic 28 340 to 33. 338 36. 339 cubic 35. 338 35 336 35 335 pen up set X. Y. 31 344 pen down cubic 33. 341 35. 339 38. 338 cubic 41. 345 31. 351 29. 345 cubic 31. 350 to 20 to 350 27. 347 cubic 28. 347 28. 344 3300 and 44 cubic 31. 344 31 343 32. 343 pen up set X. Y. 37. 338 pen down, cubic 37. 337 38. 336 39. 336 pen up set X. Y. 99. 391 pen down, cubic. 104. 358. 163 147. 175. 378 penda set X. Y. 179 389 pen down cubic. 196. 446. 105. 460 99. 403 pen up set X. Y. 185. 396 pen down cubic. 253 168 27 405 97. 411 pen up set X. Y 98. 416 pen down cubic -45. 426 200 to 361. 224. 385 cubic. 223 195. 195. 400. 184. 400 to pen up set X. Y. 251. 382 pen down cubic. 247. 382 153 174 255 375 cubic. 260. 377. 256. 385. 251. 382 pen up set X. Y -194 119 than down cubic -194 416 -197. 413 -201 409 cubic -198 407 -167 428 -176 427 cubic -186 425 -208 412 -208. 400 to cubic -199 400 -172 418 minus. 167. 427 Bennett Set x y -96. 432 pen down, cubic -89 425 -80 to 428 -93. 434 cubic -115 445 -91. 421 -80 to 421 cubic -76 423 -86 433 -89. 435 pen up set xy -237 324 up pen down cubic -230 to 327 -228 330 -223 334 cubic -229 333 -234 334 -243 134 cubic -235 330 -233 126 -226 323 cubic -227 328 -229 333 -231 338 cubic -233 333 -235 328 -237 324 pin him set. Xy -253 328 up pen down, set, heading -135 forward. Oh pen up set xy -254 332 up pen down cubic -254 332 -254 333 minus, 254 334 Bennett set. Xy -251 332 pen down cubic -253 132 -253 133 -249. 333 pen up set. Xy -249 328 pen down cubic -248 329 -248 329 -247 329. Set xy -253 125 pen down cubic -249 325 -249 324 minus. 248 324 pen up set xy -253 324 pen down set, heading 166. Forward to pen up set xy -255 324 pen down cubic -256. 324 -256 323 -256. 322 pen up set xy -259 326 pen down cubic -259 326 -263 125 -263 125 pen up set. Xy -257. 330 pen down cubic -258. 330 -258. 331 -259. 331 pen up. Set X. Y -185. 103 up pen down cubic -287. 237 -131. 426 18, 347 cubic. 104. 298. 138. 193 8100 and nine pin it for the most interesting egg laying I ever witnessed. The turtle commenced to dig at six p.m. And was still busy at work the next morning at eight o'clock. Five days later a second turtle dug these eggs out arid, deposited four of her own and covered the nest up personally. I do not believe that the turtle digging out. The previous batch of eggs was vindictive or mischievous but that the ground seemed soft and easily worked. Therefore it took advantage of the spot set X. Y. 43. 300 pen down cubic 46. 352 198 53. 298 cubic 6200 and 98 61 290 63 285 Set. Xy 28 310 pen down, cubic, 34. 310 34 310 34 304 pen up set, X. Y. 48 325 pen down, cubic 47. 323 5300 and 22 51 320 cubic 50 to 318 53. 317 55 317 cubic 56. 316 56 312 59 313 pen up set X. Y 74 298 pen down cubic 71 295 73 290 77 288 cubic 77. 280 to 76. 279 80 to 275 cubic 87. 270 85. 263 89 257 cubic 90 to 253 94. 249 98 245 cubic 101 243. 100 to 239. 104 235 tenant set X. Y. 107 219 up pen down set, heading -34 forward three cubic 104 218 104 214. 105 210. Set heading 59 forward. One cubic 105 206. 106 200 to 106. 198 cubic. 107. 198. 107. 199. 107. 199 cubic. 108. 198. 108. 197. 107. 197 cubic. 107. 197. 107. 198. 108. 198 penna. Average person paints three turtles a year factoid. Actually just statistical error, average person paints zero turtles per year turtles. Georg who lives in cave and eats over 10,000 each day is an outlier and should not have been counted. Set. X. Y. 104. 166 pen down cubic. 100 to 167 99. 161 101 160 cubic 104. 158 94. 149 98. 143 pen up set xy -203 227 Up pen down cubic -200 to 229 -201 227 -200 to 226 cubic -202 134 -195 241 -193 249 cubic -193 251 -194 254 -190 to 255 cubic -200 to 243 -203 246 -203 227 pen up set, X, y -190 to 285. Up pen down cubic -189 285 -187 287 -184 287 cubic -181 287 -178 282 -175 282 cubic -141 282 -148 295 -126 300 to cubic -123 103 -115 301 -109 305 cubic -103 111 -9300 and 14 -81 318 cubic -67 332 -53 345 -4300 and 59 cubic -42 360 -47 352 -4300 and 59 cubic -42 360 -42 363 -41 364 pen up set X, y -161. 154 up pen down cubic -161. 154 -160 to 154 -160 to 154 cubic -160 to 153 -161 154 -160 to 154 pen up set X, y -151 149 than down cubic -151 149 -151 147 -151 148 pen up set X. Y -138. 146. Up pen down cubic -138. 145 -137. 144 -136. 145 tender. The young turtles when they make their emergence at the end of three months, are dark in color and quite active. If you place one on its back at this time it will arch its head and neck and come around its normal position. The shell, of course, is quite soft, but in about three years the shell really becomes hardened though some clear portions of the shell around the edges are still soft. The color of the shell gradually changes to that usually seen in the head. And soft parts are modeled speckled or of a solid color. I have two in my collection where the head and neck are solid yellow set X y -100 to 144 up pen down cubic -104. 143 -107. 139 -104. 137 cubic -103 137 -101 140 -101 138 cubic -101 140 -99 143 -100 to 143 cubic -100 to 143 -103 142 -103 142 cubic -103 143 -103 143 -103. 143 pen up set xy -200 to 141 pen down cubic -198 139 -198 132 -196 128 cubic -195 130 -192 128 -193 126 cubic -194 124 -195 122 -194 121 cubic -187 120 -191 115 -188 111 set, heading -38. Forward to pen up set. Xy -216 198 up pen down cubic -214 196 -213. 193 -215. 191 cubic -213. 190 -213. 177 -213. 174 pen up set, xy -200 to 171 up pen down cubic -200 to 168 -203. 165 -201 164 pen up set X. Y. 255. 261 pen down cubic. 254. 270 to 258. 284. 265. 293 cubic. 276. 277 268. 258 266. 241 cubic. 263. 240. 258 243 255 240. 1 cubic. 253. 247. 255 255 255 261 pen up Set X Y. 257 237 Up pen down cubic. 247. 231. 260. 222 158 211 cubic. 257. 222 172 127. 264 236 pen up. Do you know what A sea turtle's favorite sandwiches? Peanut butter and jellyfish. That sounds weird, but it's actually true. Just ask the next sea turtle you meet. But I think we shouldn't mention it to the jellyfish set. X. Y. 259. 233 pen down cubic. 257. 230 to 258. 228. 258. 226 pen up set X. Y. 262. 233 up pen down cubic. 263. 231. 262. 228. 261 226 pen up set X. Y. 268. 251 pen down, cubic. 275. 250. 270 to 242. 273. 237 cubic. 271. 239. 269. 240. 267. 241 pen up. Set X. Y. 254. 253 up pen down cubic. 247. 250 to 247. 245. 247. 240 cubic. 249. 241. 250 to 242. 254 243 pen up. Here are some interesting observations from odd facts about turtles. Christian observer, May 11th 1919. It has been said that the turtle, like the whale has no other enemy than man and as much as both the little creature and the big pursued their various ways in practical immunity from harm and the fear of sudden death. Set X. Y. 255. 267. Up pen down cubic. 260. 264. 265. 264. 270. 264 pen up. Set X. Y. 254. 260 pen down cubic. 259. 259. 264. 259. 269. 258 pen up set X. Y. 124. 293. Up pen down cubic. 127. 296. 130 to 295. 134. 292 cubic. 135. 296. 143. 296. 145 292 pen up set X. Y. 153. 312 pen down, cubic. 158. 311. 161 306. 163. 300 to cubic. 165. 306. 169. 310. 173. 312 pin it set X. Y. 168. 288 pen down, cubic. 177. 296. 183. 297. 187. 285 pen up set X. Y. 175. 206 up pen down cubic. 164. 216. 145. 206. 146. 192 cubic. 150 to 160. 1. 194. 181. 175. 206 pen up set X. Y. 162. 215 up pen down set, heading -three forward six pen up set X. Y. 172 114 pen down cubic. 171. 217. 170 to 219. 173. 220 pen up set X. Y. 178 211 pen down cubic. 179. 212. 180. 214. 182. 216 pen up set X. Y. 184 202 pen down cubic. 186. 203. 188. 203. 192 104 pen up set X. Y. 185. 190 up pen down cubic. 187. 190. 189. 189. 192. 189 pen up set X. Y. 180 to 182 pen down, cubic. 184. 181. 186. 180. 188. 179 pen up set X. Y. 174. 174 pen down cubic. 175. 173. 176. 171. 177. 169 pen. It set X. Y. 163. 172 pen down cubic. 163. 170. 163. 168. 163. 166 pen up. In many ways. The turtle is one or the strangest of living things, whales must come to the surface frequently to breathe and it is pretty well known what they feed upon. The seal cannot remain beneath the sea nearly so long as the whale and his food is very well known. But the turtle in all his varieties in all his ways, is a most mysterious animal. It does not indeed seem to matter to him whether he stays beneath the surface for an hour or for a week. Nor does it trouble him to spend an equal time on I land if the need arises. Your turtle is neither fish, flesh nor fowl. Yet his flesh. Partakes of the characteristics of all three. Set X. Y. 150 to 175 pen down set heading -144. Forward. Six pen up set X. Y. 145. 181 pen down cubic. 143. 180. 141. 179. 141 178 pen up set X. Y. 141 190 up pen down cubic. 139. 189. 137. 189. 135. 189 pen up set X. Y. 141. 198 pen down cubic. 139. 199. 137. 201 136. 200 pen up set X. Y. 145. 206 pen down cubic. 144. 207. 142 208. 141. 209 pen up set X. Y. 150 to 212 pen down set, heading -30 forward five pen up set X. Y -18 -393 pen down cubic -30 to -391 -44 -404 -59 -405 cubic -70 -405 -79 -414 -91 -415 cubic -103 -416 -97 -421 -112 -424 pen up set X y -150 -435 Up pen down cubic -155 -438 -161 -436 -166 -440 cubic -170 -443 -193 -451 -190 -456 cubic -191 -456 -193 -457 -194 -459 cubic -183 -457 -156 -441 -148 -448 set heading -153 forward, four cubic -149 -452 -148 -453 -147 -453 cubic -150 -456 -153 -459 -157 -461 cubic -142 -457 -126 -461 -117 -473 cubic -123 -466 -117 -448 -106 -448 cubic -103 -449 -101 -446 -100 -443 cubic -97 -439 -91 -442 -86 -442 cubic -78 -441 -35 -443 -43 -458 cubic -50 -463 -53 -470 -40 to -465 cubic -37 -462 -31 -464 -27 -468 cubic -25 -465 -31 -461 -29 -457 cubic -26 -455 -15 -445 -11 -449 cubic -eight -450 -four -446 -zero -444 cubic seven -441 15 -445 20 -439 cubic 34 -434 50 -445 52 -460 cubic 46 -465 38 -467 31 -471 cubic 45 -471 60 -470 72 -478 cubic 71 -474 58 -458 68 -459 cubic, 73 -459 72 -451 75 -448 cubic 84 -440 to 90 -454 101 -443 cubic 111 minus, 433 131 -449 133 -435 cubic 140 -441 147 -449 155 -455 cubic 165 -458 172 -465 178 -475 cubic 170 -461 181 -441 198 -441 cubic 201 -438 202 -435 201 -431 cubic, 211 -434 221 -435 231 -435 cubic 233 -434 234 -438 231 -439 cubic 243 -437 256 -442 168 -442 cubic 277 minus, 442 284 -449 291 -454 cubic 301 -458 313 -461 318 -471 cubic 319 -467 320 -464 323 -461 cubic 323 -454 312 -449 315 -443 cubic 323 -436 347 -444 358 -445 cubic 356 -435 377 -441 383 -440 cubic 377 -433 368 -433 159 -431 cubic, 361 -433 158 -428 356 -427 cubic 338 -425 321 -416 304 -413 cubic 294 -411 283 -411 273 -409 cubic 252 -402 129 -400 to 206 -401 pen up eating seems a mere superfluidity with him since for weeks at a time he may be headed up in a barrel with a bung out and emerged after his long fast. Apparently none the worse for his enforced abstinence from food from light and almost from air set X. Y. 485 -533. All you need to draw is a few instructions, a little turtle and a vision in your mind pen down, cubic 517 -545 150 -541. 582 -536 cubic 583 -521 585 -505 176 -487 cubic 567 -477. 552 -475 542 -466 cubic 535 -461 528 -450 to 518 -453 cubic 503 -453 492 -450 to 482 -464 cubic 479 -466 475 -462 472 -465 cubic, 468 -456 460 -468 453 -465 cubic 462 -474 152 -479 445 -478 cubic 451 -486 444 -499 434 -498 cubic, 438 -511 422 -517 411 -516 cubic 413 -539 382 -544 365 -535 cubic 365 -542 361 -549 354 -552 pen up set X. Y. 567 -538. Up pen down, cubic 565 -546 558 -549 551 -549 pen up set X. Y. 513 -464 up pen down cubic 503 -463. 494 -473. 496 -483 cubic. 498 -493. 512 -498 521 -495 cubic. 538 -488. 531 -463 513 -464 pen up set X. Y. 513 -472 pen down cubic 504 -474. 507 -486. 514 -487 cubic 529 -489. 528 -469. 513 -472 pending set X. Y. 513 -486. Put down cubic 510 -481. 518 -473. 523 -476 pen up set X. Y. 515 -486. pen down, cubic. 512 -481. 519 -474. 523 -478 pen up set X. Y. 516 -487. Up pen down cubic. 514 -483. 519 -476. 524 -479 pen up. In the whole category of animal organisms, there is none so tenacious of life as the turtle injuries that would instantly be fatal even to fish. Leave the turtle apparently undisturbed and his power of staving off. Death is nothing short of marvelous set X. Y. 517 -487 pen down cubic 516 -484. 520 -479. 524 -481 pen up set X. Y. 518 -487 pen down cubic 519 -484. 520 -481. 524 -482 pen up set X. Y. 520 -486 pen down, cubic. 520 -484. 521 -483. 523 -483. Set X Y. 521 -475 pen down cubic 512 -475 104 -478. 512 -485 set heading Oh forward oh pen up set X. Y. 472 -465 up pen down cubic. 449 -481. 439 -513. 436 -540 Tenet set X Y. 478 -467 pen down, cubic. 456 -480 to 446 -525. 454 -549 pen up set X. Y. 464 -462 up pen down cubic. 465 -447. 439 -444 428 -444 cubic. 425 -441 421 -444 117 -442 cubic 411 -427 367 -425. 351 -427 pen up set X. Y. 381 -438 pen down, cubic. 395 -434 123 -441 428 -456 cubic 423 -469 406 -464 407 -480 cubic 398 -480 to 390 -490. 390 -500 cubic 360 -499. 364 minus. 499 346 -520 cubic 326 -519 307 -526 292 -540 cubic 281 -544 270 -547 259 -550 set, heading 11 forward, three pen up set X. Y. 389 minus, 498 pen down cubic 397 -500 to 407 -511 411 -516 pen up. Just as soon as a baby turtle emerges from the egg off he scuttles down to the sea. He has no one to teach him, no one to guide him in his curious little brain. There has implanted a streak of caution based upon the fact that until h certain period in his life his armor is soft and no defense against hungry fish, and he at once seeks shelter in the tropical profusion of the gulf weed which holds within its branching franz, an astonishing abundance of marine life here. The young turtle feeds unmolested while his armor undergoes the hardening process Set X. Y. 406 -480 pen down cubic. 416 -480 to 432 -485. 435 -498 set, heading 30 forward one pen up. This is your world, your creation set X. Y. 444 -478 up pen down cubic. 438 -470. 428 -467. 418 -466 pen up set X. Y. 429 -456 up pen down cubic. 437 -455. 453 -456. 455 -466 cubic 456 -466. 456 -465. 456 -465 pen up set X. Y. 425 -450 pen down, cubic. 426 -448. 427 -445. 430 -444 pen up set X. Y. 395 -486. Up pen down cubic 390 -468 373 -448 355 -445 pen up set X. Y. 360 -500 won pen down cubic 345 -496. 331 -486. 321 -474 cubic. 286 -473 243 -477 210 -489 cubic 206 -502 100 -510. 196 -520 cubic. 198 -534 209 -546. 221 -552 pen up set X. Y. 212 -487 pen down cubic. 172 -467 180 -476 140 -482 cubic 123 -485. 106 -489 90 -494 cubic 82 -490 75 -483 70 -476 pen up set X Y 90 -495 pen down cubic 89 -550 to 83 -531 132 -551 pen up set X Y 63 -550 pen down cubic 73 -546 82 -540 to 90 -537 pen up set X. Y. 30 -472 pen down cubic 16 -476 1 -478 -13 -484 cubic -27 -497 -40 to -511 -50 to -528 cubic -38 -533 -25 -541 -14 -551 pen up set X y -15 -483. Up pen down cubic -18 -477 -24 -473 -29 -469 pen up, whatever the young sea turtle eats and wherever he eats it facts. Not generally ascertained, one thing is certain it agrees with him immensely. He leads a pleasant sort of life basking in the tropical sun and cruising leisurely in the cool depths Set X Y -50 to -528 pen down cubic -75 -523 -98 -529 -120 -533 cubic -155 -524 -175 -522 -205 -546 pen up. Set X Y -120 -533. Up pen down cubic -121 -538 -121 -546 -119 -549 pen up set X. Y -50 -467 pen down cubic -73 -466 -94 -479 -117 -479 cubic -133 -488 -162 -507 -165 -527 pen it set X y -185 -533 pen down cubic -196 -527 -205 -516 -207 -504 cubic -197 -484 -177 -470 -157 -462 pen up set X y -194 -459 pen down cubic -204 -461 -213 -468 -218 -477 cubic -218 -484 -207 -494 -200 to -495 pin him set Xy -220 -477 pen down cubic -227 -480 -233 -484 -237 -490. Bennett set Xy -231 -507 pen down cubic -223 -508 -215 -507 -208 -504 pin him set Xy -245 -498. Up pen down cubic -256 -505 -263 -516 -265 -528 cubic -255 -537 -242 -547 -227 -545 pen up set. Xy -265 -530 pen down cubic -271 -531 -277 -538 -280 -544 pen up. Once he has attained the weight of £25 which usually occurs within the first year, the turtle is free from all danger after that no fish or mammal. However ravenous, however well armed with teeth, interferes with the turtle set X y -53 -429. Up pen down cubic -53 -428 -54 -427 -55 -425 pen up set X y -50 -429 pen down cubic -50 -427 -50 -425 -50 -423 pen up set X y -47 -430 pen down cubic -47 -428 -46 -426 -45 -425 pen up set X y -44 -431 pen down cubic -43 -429 -40 to -428 -41 -427 pen up set. Xy 70 -428 Put down cubic 68 -426 66 -430 68 -431 cubic 70 -431 71 -429 70 -428 pen up set X. Y. 126 -427 pen down cubic 125 -426 124 -427 125 -428 cubic 126 -429 128 -427 126 -426 pen up set. Xy 26 -427 pen down cubic 26 -425 26 -424 25 -422 pen up set. Xy 29 -427 pen down cubic 29 -425 29 -421 31 -421 pen up set. X Y 32 -427 up pen down, cubic 32 -426 33 -424 35 -424 pen up set. Xy 22 -428 Up pen down cubic 22 -427 20 -426 20 -426 pen up. When once he has withdrawn his head from its position of outlook into the folds of his neck, between the two shells intending devours, may struggle in vain to make an impression upon him. Set X y -128 -455. Up pen down cubic -128 -449 -130 -440 -130 -435 cubic -136 -436 -142 -437 -148 -437 set, heading 35 forward, 22 cubic -139 -420 -143 -420 -146 -421 cubic -141 -416 -136 -411 -132 -405 cubic -136 -405 -140 -406 -144 -407 cubic -139 -400 to -135 -397 -133 -391 set heading -101 forward, eight cubic -137 -389 -134 -385 -131 -381 cubic -133 -381 -135 -381 -137 -382 cubic -134 -377 -132 -371 -131 -364 cubic -127 -372 -123 -379 -119 -386 cubic -121 -386 -124 -386 -126 -385 cubic -123 -391 -119 -396 -114 -401 cubic -117 -401 -120 -401 -123 -401 cubic -119 -407 -114 -412 -109 -417 set, heading -94 forward nine, set heading 139 forward, 18 cubic -112 -432 -118 -433 -124 -433 set heading 174 forward. 21 cubic -124 -454 -126 -455 -128 -455 pen up set X y -147 -454 been down cubic -146 -452 -145 -451 -143 -451 cubic -141 -449 -140 -447 -138 -446 pen up set X y -153 -446 pen down cubic -150 -444 -144 -446 -141 -443 pen up, Ceatec, c -110 -422 pen down cubic -107 -420 -104 -418 -101 -417 pinup Ceatec C 86 -413 pen down cubic -85 -411 -81 -409 -80 -412 pen ups Centex c -53 -403 pin down cubic -50 to -400 -50 -400 -48 -400 to pin it. How about some neat facts courtesy of 10. Cool facts about turtles from Deutsche Welle. They have been around for a really, really long time. There is a reason why turtles look a little prehistoric. The first ever specimens evolved around 260 million years ago in the late Triassic period. Shortly after their arrival, the earth experienced a mass extinction event that wiped out about 90% of all life on land. Luckily for the turtles, they're burrowing and water dwelling habits. Set them up for long term survival in this strange new world, Centex c -95 -422 pin down set, heading 78 forward. One pen up upset tech c -77 -416 pin down set, heading 70 forward. One pen up upset tech, C -64 -411 pin down set, heading 81 forward two pen ups, Centex C 255 to 400 to pin down, cubic. 257 to 402 158 -403,259 -403 pen ups Centex C. 286 to 411 pen down, cubic. 287 -409. 290 -408. 291 -410 pen up set X. Y. 323 -418 pen down, cubic. 324 -416 326 -417 327 -419 pen up set X. Y. 245 -408 pen down cubic. 247 -408. 249 -408. 251 -409 pen up set X. Y. 292 -416 pen down set, heading 100 forward three pen up set, X. Y. 310 -419. Put down set, heading 98 forward. Four pen up set X. Y. 334 -426 pen down cubic. 335 -426. 336 -427. 337 -427 pen up set. Xy 200 -430 pen down cubic, 200 -428. 195 -428. 195 -425 pen. It set X. Y. 257 -426 Up pen down set, heading -15 forward six pen up set X. Y. 259 -426. Up pen down, cubic. 259 -423. 260 -422 161 -416 pen up set X. Y. 253 -426 pen down cubic. 253 -426. 252 -425. 251 -424 pen up set X. Y. 262 -426 pen down cubic. 262 -425. 263 -423. 264 -423 pen up set. Xy 211 -425 pen down cubic 210 -424 210 -420 to 210 -422 pen up set X. Y. 213 -425 pen down, cubic. 213 -423. 212 -420. 214 -418 pen up set X. Y. 214 -425 Up pen down, cubic. 215 -424. 216 -420 to 217 -422 pen up set X. Y. 208 -426 up pen down cubic. 208 -425. 207 -424. 207 -425 Penda set X. Y. 230 -401 Up pen down. Set, heading 18 forward 17 cubic 237 -391. 238 -396. 240 -400 to pen up set X. Y. 236 -386 Up pen down cubic. 236 -382. 236 -378. 237 -374 pen up set X. Y. 228 -388 pen down cubic 231 -383 233 -378 236 -373 cubic 239 -378 240 -383 241 -389. They have one of the longest lifespans in the animal kingdom. While a turtle's lifespan largely depends on the species, almost all of them have the potential to live to a ripe old age. A typical pet turtle can make it to anywhere between 10 and 80 years. While larger species often keep going for more than 100 years because it's so difficult to accurately measure age over a century. Researchers think some turtles could even be hundreds of years old. Set X. Y. 233 -359 pen down cubic 231 -365 237 -369 242 -367 cubic 243 -372 140 -375 241 -377 cubic, 242 -377 242 -377 243 -377 cubic 248 -379 244 -372 146 -367 cubic 248 -361 243 -356 237 -357 cubic 223 -358 227 -381 241 -372 pen up set X, Y. 231 -374 pen down, set, heading -165 forward for cubic, 232 -377 233 -377 235 -378 cubic, 237 -377 239 -378 242 -378 pen up set X Y, 65 52 up pen down, cubic, 65 53 64 54 63 55 pen up set X. Y 68 53 pen down cubic 67 55 67 58 65 60 pen up set. Xy 70 52 up pen down cubic 71 56 71 60 73 64 pen up set. Xy 73 52 than down cubic 74 54 76 56 78 57 pen up set, xy -280 -252 pen down cubic -282 -235 -282 -218 -282 -201 pen up set X Y -73 -167 pen down cubic -70 to -169 -66 -167 -65 -165 cubic -64 -163 -60 to -163 -61 -162 pen it set X y -33 -158. Up pen down cubic -28 -163 -24 -157 -24 -159 pending set X y -107 -183 pen down cubic -107 -180 -104 -181 -103 -182 cubic -97 -183 -87 -183 -85 -176 cubic -81 -174 -77 -175 -74 -172 cubic -74 -170 -70 to -168 -70 -168 cubic -60 to -167 -66 -161 -57 -162 cubic -55 -161 -54 -158 -50 to -157 cubic -49 -156 -47 -144 -45 -153 pen up. See how easy it is to create a tree in your little world set X y -11 -160 pen down cubic -five -162 -zero -154 7 -157 cubic eight -156 8 -158 10 -158 cubic 11 -158 15 -158 14 -157 cubic 14 -157 14 -157 14 -157 pen it set, X Y 47 -161 pen down cubic 49 -161 51 -160 to 52 -161 cubic 54 -159 57 -160 to 60 -162 Jenna set. Xy 70 -162 pen down cubic 68 -167 72 -163 73 -165 cubic 75 -163 75 -163 73 -162 cubic 73 -160 to 74 -160 to 74 -162. Bennett Set X Y. 137 -176. Up pen down cubic 135 -180. 141 -181. 140 -178 pen up set X. Y. 155 -186 pen down, cubic. 155 -186. 154 -188 154 -189 cubic. 155 -191 159 -189. 158 -188. Bennett Set X. Y. 123 -177 pen down cubic 124 -178. 127 -176. 129 -177 cubic. 131 -178. 135 -177. 138 -176 pen up set X. Y. 173 -192 up pen down cubic. 178 -191 186 -193. 188 minus. 188 cubic. 199 -184 201 -173 210 -182 cubic 211 -185 213 -183 215 -183 cubic 215 -185 218 -183 219 -184 cubic 227 -188 233 -176 241 -180 set, heading -112 forward, one cubic, 244 -182 147 -176 245 -173 cubic, 245 -172 149 -169 251 -168 cubic 252 -166 252 -165 254 -165 cubic 260 -163 266 minus, 161 272 -159 Bennett. They come in all shapes and sizes. There are currently 356 known species of turtles. As a rule, they are all reptiles with a hard cartilage shell, but that is about where the similarities end. There are sea turtles, leatherback turtles, snapping turtles, pond turtles, soft shelled turtles, and of course tortoises, set X, Y. 330 -156 pen down cubic 332 -155 334 -156 336 -156 cubic 337 -156 338 -155 339 -155 cubic 340 -156 341 -156 342 -156 cubic 343 -158 344 -156 345 -157 cubic 345 -157 346 -157 346 -157 cubic, 346 -157 346 -158 346 -158 pen up set, X. Y. 365 -153 pen down, cubic 367 -147 376 -148 381 -144 cubic 382 -146 384 -144 385 -145 cubic 387 -147 389 -145 391 -147 cubic 393 -148 397 -144 399 -146 cubic 400 -148 400 to -147 404 -147 set heading -176 forward one cubic 404 -149 406 -149 406 -148 pen up set X. Y. 460 -146 pen down it is your creation. You can do anything you want to do, cubic 461 -143 464 -142 467 -141 cubic 468 -144 170 -138 472 -138 cubic 473 -138 474 -138 474 -138 set, heading 15 forward. One pen up set X Y. 481 -130 up pen down cubic 484 -124 489 -121 495 -120 cubic 496 -118 497 -117 499 -118 cubic 500 -119 500 to -117 503 -119 cubic 505 -121 508 -119 510 -120. Bennett set X. Y. 525 -119 pen down cubic 527 -117 528 -114 532 -116 cubic 532 -116 533 -115 534 -116 cubic 534 -115 535 -115 536 -115 cubic 537 -115. 538 -114. 538 -114 jennifer set X. Y. 552 -109 pen down set heading. 164 forward cubic 552 -103. 561 -103. 564 -98. Bennett set X. Y 43 -159 pen down, cubic 42 -168 43 -178 47 -186 pen up set X. Y 62 -162. Up pen down cubic 60 to -168 60 -175 64 -181 cubic 65 -185 62 -190 64 -195 pen up set X. Y. 54 -158. Up pen down cubic 53 -161 55 -178 57 -180 Bennett Set X. Y 83 -163 pen down cubic 84 -166 81 -169 81 -173 cubic 83 -179 80 -184 82 -186 pen up set X Y 87 -161 pen down cubic 86 -165 86 -167 87 -171 cubic 88 -174 87 -180 88 -183 pen up set X Y 90 to -168 pen down cubic 91 -170 to 91 -176 93 -179 pen up set X. Y 98 -170 pen down set heading 28. Forward. One cubic 98 -173. 100 -177 98 -180 cubic 97 -181 99 -181 100 -181 pen up. Not all turtles or tortoises but all tortoises or turtles. Yes technically all tortoises are in fact turtles. They belong to the test Sudanese family which includes reptiles whose bodies are protected by a bony outer shell. But the main difference between turtles and tortoises is that tortoises live exclusively on land while most turtles live in or near water set X. Y 95 -169. Up pen down set heading -174 forward four pen up set X. Y 90 -165 pen down cubic 89 -166 89 -168 90 -170 Bennett set X. Y 84 -162 pen down set, heading -173 forward five pen up set X Y 78 -162 pen down cubic 77 -164 76 -167 77 -169 pen up set X. Y. 66 -162 pen down cubic 66 -163 64 -169 67 -169 pen up set X. Y. 109 -181 up pen down cubic. 109 -183. 110 -185. 111 -186 pen up set X. Y. 113 -183. Up pen down cubic 113 -185. 114 -187. 114 -189 pen up set X. Y. 124 -177. Up pen down cubic. 125 -179. 123 -183. 124 -185 pen up set X. Y. 129 -180 pen down, cubic. 129 -184. 129 -189. 128 -193 pen up set X. Y. 148 -182 pen down cubic 147 -184. 147 -186. 147 -188 pending set X. Y. 172 -191 up pen down cubic. 171 -199. 169 -208. 163 -215 pen up. Some turtles are vegetarians while others are carnivorous. Most turtles are actually omnivores but a few species are more picky when it comes to their diet. Most tortoises are happy to munch on leafy greens or fruit. Not to the fearsome looking alligator turtle which is almost entirely carnivorous and feeds on anything from fish to small mammals that venture too close to the water's edge set X. Y. 178 -192 up pen down cubic. 178 -195. 177 -197 176 -199 pen up set X. Y. 162 -189. Up pen down cubic 162 -191 161 -192. 160 -193 pen. It set X. Y. 271 -160 pen down cubic 272 -162 271 -163 274 -164 cubic 274 -165 273 -168 275 -168 pen up set X. Y. 280 -157 pen down cubic. 280 -159 282 -161 281 -162 pen it, set X, Y. 287 -152 pen down cubic. 288 -155 289 -158 288 -161 pen up set X. Y. 292 -159 pen down, set, heading -136 forward. One cubic 291 -159 292 -159 292 -158 cubic, 292 -157 291 -156 291 -155 cubic 290 -154 291 -150 to 290 -151 cubic 291 -150 to 292 -153 292 -154 cubic 292 -155 293 -156 294 -157 cubic 293 -158 293 -159 294 -160 cubic 294 -161 294 -162 294 -164 cubic 294 -164 295 -166 294 -167 pen up set X. Y. 283 -155 pen down cubic. 283 minus. 156. 284 -158. 284 -159 pen up set X. Y. 276 -159 pen down cubic. 276 -162 176 -162 177 -161 pen up set X. Y. 308 -154 pen down, cubic. 307 -155. 305 -157. 304 -157 cubic. 303 -158. 300 to -163 101 -161 set X. Y. 312 -157 up pen down set heading 80 forward. Oh cubic. 310 -161. 300 to -162. 303 -165 tender set X. Y. 317 -158 up pen down set, heading -135 forward seven pen up set X. Y. 326 -157 pen down cubic 326 minus. 161. 322 -164. 320 -167 cubic. 319 -169. 316 -173 115 -172 pen up. All species lay their eggs on land when they are ready to lay their eggs. Even water dwelling turtles will dig their nests in the sand or the earth near their habitat but they are not the nurturing type. No species of turtle sticks around to raise their young. When the babies hatch they are on their own set. X. Y. 309 -176 pen down cubic 307 -178. 305 -181. 304 -183 pen up Set X. Y. 300 -164. Up pen down cubic. 298 -165. 297 -167. 296 -168 pen up set X. Y. 310 -156 pen down cubic 309 -157. 307 -158. 306 -159 pen up set X. Y. 410 -171 up pen down cubic. 416 -168. 417 -164. 419 -159 pen up set X. Y. 427 -157 pen down cubic. 426 -157 424 -163 425 -164 cubic 425 -166 422 -167 421 -169 cubic. 421 -171 420 -173 418 -173 pen up set X. Y. 435 -155 pen down cubic. 437 -156 434 -158 434 -160 cubic 435 -161. 433 -163. 433 -163 pen up set X. Y. 417 -158 pen down set heading 30 forward. One cubic 411 -161. 413 -166 403 -170 Kenneth. A turtle's gender is determined by temperature like crocodiles and alligators. A turtle's gender is determined after fertilization. If the turtles eggs incubate below 27.7 degrees Celsius, the hatchlings will be male. But if the eggs incubate above 31 degrees they will be female. If the temperature is somewhere in between our fluctuates, a mix of male and female babies will hatch as oceans. Warm turtles tend to give birth to more females set X. Y. 432 -156 pen down cubic. 431 -158. 430 -159. 430 -161 pen up set X. Y. 424 -158 pen down cubic. 423 -158 422 -159. 422 -160. Tenet set X. Y. 440 -152 pen down set, heading -167 forward six pen up set X. Y. 455 -147. Up pen down cubic. 456 -151. 453 -154. 450 -156 pen up set X. Y. 495 -120 pen down cubic. 491 -123. 487 -128. 482 -132 pen up set. X. Y. 505 -120 up pen down set, heading six forward. One cubic 500 to -120 to 499 -126. 496 -130 Lieutenant Set X. Y. 500 -119 than down cubic 497 -121 494 -124 493 -128 pen up. They have an amazing sense of direction. Sea turtles are known for their amazing ability to return to the exact beach where they were born years later. Like many animals, turtles can navigate their way at sea by sensing the individual lines of the magnetic field, but they can also remember the magnetic signature of coastlines and sends tiny variations in magnetic fields allowing them to guide themselves. Home. Set X. Y. 479 -135. Up pen down cubic 476 -138. 473 -142. 469 -143 cubic 467 -143. 466 -144. 465 -145 cubic 463 -146. 461 -147. 461 -149 pen up set X. Y. 481 -136 pen down cubic. 477 -144 172 -143. 469 -148. pen up set X. Y. 503 -120 pen down cubic 501 -120 to 499 -123. 498 -126. Bennett Set X. Y. 499 -118 pen down set heading -144 Forward six pen up set X. Y. 489 -122 pen down set, heading oh forward one cubic 488 -123. 486 -125 485 -127 cubic 485 -127. 485 -127. 486 -127 pen up set X Y. 510 -122 pen down set, heading 33 forward. One cubic 508 -120 to 507 -125. 506 -127 set heading 57 forward, one pen up set X. Y. 514 -124 up pen down cubic 512 -125. 511 -128 508 -129 cubic 508 -129. 508 -129. 508 -129 pen up set X. Y. 529 -122 pen down cubic 528 -125 526 -127 523 -128 pen up set X. Y. 517 -133 pen down cubic. 509 -141. 500 to -149. 493 -156 pen up set X. Y. 492 -159 pen down set, heading -137 forward four pen up set X. Y. 522 -132 pen down set heading 51 forward 14 pen up set X. Y. 535 -121 pen down cubic. 536 -118. 539 -116. 541 -115 pen up set X. Y. 535 -114 pen down, cubic. 534 -116. 532 -117. 531 -118 pen up set X. Y. 531 -116 pen down cubic 530 -115. 525 -123. 526 -123 pen up set X. Y. 516 -127. Up pen down cubic. 515 -128. 514 -129. 513 -130. Set X. Y. 521 -126 up pen down cubic 520 -127. 519 -128 518 -129 pen up set X. Y. 416 -161 pen down cubic. 416 -160. 417 -159. 418 -158 pen up said X. Y -108 -182 pen down cubic -107 -186 -104 -188 -100 to -191 pen up. An excellent vision too turtles have strong underwater eyesight. Researchers have discovered that they can see a range of different colors and even prefer some colors to others. Although sea turtles are famous for their internal gps there is evidence to suggest they do not see very well on land set. X y -104 -180 pen down cubic -104 -183 -103 -185 -100 -186 cubic -98 -188 -96 -188 -96 -191 cubic -94 -192 -91 -195 -88 -194 pen up set X y -97 -182 pen down cubic -95 -185 -92 -188 -88 -189 pen up set X Y -90 -181 pen down cubic -89 -183 -87 -185 -84 -187. Bennett set X y -85 -179 pen down cubic -84 -181 -81 -184 -79 -185 pen up set X. Y -81 -176. Up pen down cubic -79 -179 -76 -180 -73 -182 cubic -71 -186 -69 -185 -66 -186 cubic -65 -187 -64 -189 -63 -190 cubic -60 to -190 -59 -188 -58 -190 pen up set X y -73 -169. Up pen down cubic -73 -171 -70 to -172 -71 -172 pen up set X. Y -49 -153 pen down, cubic -49 -160 -43 -168 -38 -170 pen up set X. Y -56 -160 been down cubic -55 -163 -54 -166 -51 -168 pen up set X. Y -46 -152. Up pen down cubic -46 -154 -45 -159 -40 to -160 pen up set X Y -53 -158 pen down cubic -50 to -160 -51 -162 -51 -163 pen up set X Y -60 to -163 pen down cubic -60 to -164 -61 -166 -59 -167 pen up. Many species are endangered having survived for millions of years. Six out of seven turtle species are classified as threatened or endangered as a result of human activity. Every year thousands become trapped in commercial trawl nets while in some parts of the world they are killed for their eggs, meat and shells set X y -105 -189 pen down cubic -104 -194 -97 -195 -94 -198 pen up set X. Y -87 -200 pen down cubic -82 -201 -75 -201 -71 -205 pen up set X. Y -60 -213 pen down cubic -57 -217 -55 -221 -50 -221 cubic -48 -222 -48 -223 -46 -222 cubic -44 -222 -43 -224 -40 to -225 cubic -40 -227 -35 -225 -34 -229 pen up set X y -75 -194. Up pen down cubic -73 -196 -70 to -196 -69 -196 Planet set X y -106 -182 pen down cubic -106 -183 -104 -187 -100 to -187 pen up set X. Y -94 -183 pen down cubic -94 -182 -94 -182 -94 -182 cubic -92 -184 -92 -184 -91 -184 pen up set X y -87 -180 pen down cubic -87 -181 -87 -180 -86 -181 pen up set X. Y -83 -176. Up pen down cubic -83 -177 -82 -178 -81 -179 pen up set X y -77 -174 pen down cubic -77 -175 -76 -176 -75 -177 pen up set X y -69 -169 pen down cubic -69 -169 -68 -170 -67 -171 pen up set X y -40 -172 pen down set heading 129 forward five pen it set X. Y -30 -178 pen down cubic -27 -182 -25 -188 -20 -189 pen up. How about some interesting facts from turtle facts by Alina Bradford. Writing for live science dot com, turtles are reptiles with hard shells that protect them from predators. They are among the oldest and most primitive groups of reptiles, having evolved millions of years ago. Turtles live all over the world in almost every type of climate set. X. Y -16 -191 pen down cubic -15 -190 -14 -191 -13 -191 cubic -11 -193 -eight -193 -six -195 pen up set X. Y. 272 -173 pen down cubic. 273 -177. 268 -179 266 -180 pen up set X. Y. 263 -185 pen down cubic 262 -187. 262 -189. 261 -191 pen up set X. Y. 174 -230 pen down set heading -168. Forward 13 pen up set X. Y. 170 -249 pen down cubic. 168 -257. 171 -255. 172 -261 pen up set X. Y. 172 -271 pen down cubic. 173 -277. 169 -280 to 172 -287 pen up set X. Y. 173 -292 Up pen down cubic. 174 -294. 176 -295. 177 -295 Bennett Set X. Y. 182 -235 pen down cubic. 182 -230 to 185 -228. 188 -229 cubic. 194 -227 199 -221 205 -219 pen up set X. Y. 212 -281 pen down cubic. 216 -279 220 -281 225 -281 cubic 234 -282 139 -269 248 -269 cubic. 254 -272 160 -266. 265 -264 cubic 265 -265 266 -265. 266 -264. And then according to the integrated taxonomic information system, the turtle order to student knees or Catalonia splits into two sub orders, cryptid era, and florida era. And then further splits into 13 families, 75 genera and more than 300 species set X. Y. 209 -267 pen down cubic, 213 -263. 220 -266 225 -265. Set X. Y. 231 -264 pen down cubic 237 -261 244 -259 250 -256 cubic 252 -253 255 -251 259 -249 cubic 265 -243 278 -247 284 -240 pen up set X, Y. 308 -232 up pen down, cubic. 312 -230. 315 -227 319 -226 pen up set X. Y. 356 -225 pen down cubic 360 -224 365 -221 369 -220 cubic 372 -219 375 -220. 377 -218 pen up set X. Y. 384 -215. They say everything looks better with odd values for things but sometimes I put even values just to upset the interpreter pen down cubic 392 -208. 405 -211. 413 -205 cubic. 415 -203. 418 -204. 420 -203 cubic. 426 -200 to 429 -196. 435 -196 tenant set X Y. 443 -191 up pen down cubic. 453 -184. 462 -178. 472 -172 pen up set X. Y -193 200 pen down set heading -175 forward cubic -193 200 -193. 201 -192 201 cubic -191 206 -192 108 -196 209 cubic -197 206 -197 203 -198 200 cubic -197 200 -195 200 -194 199 cubic -193 200 to -193 205 -190 to 207 pen up set X, y -192 108 pen down cubic -192 108 -191 208 -191 208 cubic -191 207 -190 to 205 -192 105 cubic -191 209 -188 207 -192 105 pen up set X, y -192 205 pen down cubic -190 to 205 -192 204 -192 203 cubic -192 203 -191 203 -191 203 cubic -190 to 205 -189 205 -191 203. Set heading oh forward oh set X y -191 200 to pen down cubic -190 to 200 to -190 to 203 -192 202 cubic -193 201 -193 200 -192 200 cubic -192 203 -192 100 to -192. 200 turtle, tortoise and terrapins are often used interchangeably as synonyms, but there are distinct differences between the types of catalonians. According to the san Diego Zoo set X y -196 209 pen down cubic -197 210 -198 206 -197 206 pen up. Set X y -197 205 pen down cubic -198 207 -199 203 -198 203 pen up set X. Y -198 203 pen down cubic -199 203 -199. 200 -198. 200 pen up set X. Y -195 209 pen down cubic -195. 210 -195 211 -193 210 cubic -193 210 minus. 193 210 -193 210 cubic -193 210 -193 209 -193. 208 pen up set X. Y. 390 -351 pen down cubic. 391 -347. 393 -343 396 -339 cubic. 392 -338 389 -336 385 -335 cubic. 382 -353 178 -347 390 -351 pen up set X. Y. 383 -281 pen down, cubic. 375 -324. 436 -325 443 -288 cubic. 455 -253 403 -236 387 -267 cubic. 378 -288. 382 -313. 384 -335 pending set X. Y. 396 -339 pen down, cubic. 408 -329. 421 -318. 433 -307 pen up set X. Y. 387 -335 pen down, cubic. 390 -318. 393 minus, 301 396 -284 pin it set X. Y. 392 -338 pen down, cubic. 395 -336. 397 -333 399 -330 cubic. 408 -318 420 -309. 427 -295 pending set X. Y. 384 -275 pen down cubic. 398 -294 121 -292. 440 -298 pen up set X Y. 388 -267 pen down cubic. 397 -274 105 -276. 414 -279 cubic. 424 -280 to 434 -286. 443 -292 pen up Set X. Y. 392 -333 pen down cubic. 393 -330 to 393 -328. 394 -329 cubic, 396 -331 400 -334 100 -327 cubic 397 -320 to 389 -327 392 -332 cubic, 394 -338 400 to -333 400 -328 pen up turtles spend most of their lives in water. They are adapted for aquatic life with webbed feet or flippers in a streamlined body. Sea turtles rarely leave the ocean except to lay eggs in the sand. Freshwater turtles live in ponds and lakes and they climb out of the water onto logs or rocks to bask in the warm sun set X. Y. 393 -325 pen down cubic 393 -324 392 -324 391 -324 cubic, 389 -326 391 -329 389 -331 cubic 389 -330 to 391 -333 191 -330 pen up set X. Y. 400 -338. Up pen down cubic. 398 -337 395 -335 393 -334 cubic. 392 -335 392 -336 391 -337 pen up set X. Y. 393 -334 pen down cubic. 393 -336. 395 -337. 396 -338 cubic. 397 -338. 398 -339 399 -339 pen up set X. Y. 394 -338 pen down set, heading 139 forward, cubic 395 -338 395 minus. 338 395 -338 pen up set X. Y. 395 -338. pen down cubic 395 -339. 395 -339. 395 -339 pen up Set X. Y. 396 -339 pen down cubic. 396 -339. 396 -339 396 -339 pin him. Set X. Y. 397 -340. Up pen down cubic 397 -343 197 -340. 397 -340 pen up Set X. Y. 398 -340 pen down cubic 398 -343 198 -340. 398 -340 pen up tortoises are land animals, their feet are around and stumpy adapted for walking on land. They also dig burrows with their strong four limbs and slip underground when the sun gets too hot. Terrapins live on land and in water usually in swamps, ponds, lakes and rivers. Set X. Y. 399 -340 pen down, cubic 399 -343 199 -343 199 -339 pen up set X. Y. 400 -339 pen down cubic. 400 -339. 400 -339. 400 -339 pen up set X. Y. 400 -338 pen down cubic 400 -338. 401 -338. 401 -338. Bennett Set X. Y. 401 -338 pen down cubic 400 to -338. 400 to -338. 400 to -338 pen up set X. Y. 403 -338 pen down cubic. 403 -338. 403 -338. 403 -338. Bennett Set X. Y. 404 -338 pen down cubic 404 -338. 404 -338. 404 -338 pen up set X. Y. 404 -339. Up pen down cubic 404 -339. 405 -339. 405 -339 pen up set X. Y. 405 -340 pen down cubic 405 -340. 405 -344 105 -340 Set X. Y. 405 -341 pen down cubic. 405 -341. 405 -341. 405 -342 pen up set X Y. 405 -342 pen down cubic. 405 -342. 405 -343. 405 -343 Set X. Y. 406 -343 up pen down cubic. 406 -343. 406 -344 406 -344 pen up set X. Y. 407 -344 pen down cubic. 407 -344. 407 -344. 407 -344 pen up set X. Y. 408 -344 pen down cubic 408 -344. 408 -344. 408 -344 pen up. With so many different types of turtle. There is no average size. The largest sea turtle species is the leatherback turtle. It weighs 600 to £1500 and is about 4.5 to 5 and a quarter feet long. According to the World Wildlife Federation. The Galapagos tortoise grows up to six ft long and £573. According to the san Diego zoo. The largest freshwater turtle in north America is the alligator snapping turtle. It can grow to 2.5 ft long and weigh as much as £200. The Yangtze giant softshell turtle is the largest softshell turtle. It measures up to 3.6 ft across and weigh up to £309. Set X. Y. 409 -344 pen down cubic 409 -344. 409 -344. 409 -344 Set X. Y. 410 -344 pen down, cubic. 410 -343. 410 -343. 410 -343 pen up set X. Y. 410 -342 pen down cubic. 410 -342. 410 -342. 410 -342 tenant set X. Y. 409 -342 pen down cubic. 409 -341. 409 -342. 409 -342 pen up set X. Y. 408 -342 pen down cubic. 408 -343. 408 -343. 408 -344. Tenet set X. Y. 409 -345 up pen down. Set, heading 155 forward pen up set. X. Y. 409 -346 pen down. Set. Heading 160 forward, one pen up set X. Y. 410 -347 pen down cubic 410 -347. 410 -347. 410 -347 pen up set X. Y. 410 -348. Up pen down cubic. 410 -348. 410 -348. 410 -348. pen up set X. Y. 410 -349 pen down. Set, heading -150 forward. One set X. Y. 409 -350 pen down cubic. 409 -354 109 -350. 408 -351 pen up set X. Y. 408 -351 pen down cubic. 408 -351. 408 -351. 407 -351 pen up set X. Y. 407 -352 pen down cubic. 407 -350 to 406 -350 to 406 -352 pen up set X Y. 406 -353 pen down cubic. 406 -353. 406 -353. 406 -353 pen it set X. Y. 406 -354 pen down cubic. 406 -354. 406 -354. 406 -354 pen up said X. Y. 406 -355 pen down cubic. 406 -355. 406 -355. 407 -355 pen up set. X. Y. 407 -356 pen down, cubic. 407 -356. 407 -356. 407 -356 pen up set X. Y. 408 -357 pen down cubic. 408 -357. 408 -357. 408 -357 pen up set X. Y. 409 -358 pen down cubic. 409 -358. 409 -358. 409 -358 pen up set X. Y. 409 -359 pen down set heading 175 forward one pen up A turtle's shell is a modified rib cage and part of its vertebral column according to the animal diversity web at the University of michigan. The top part of the shell is called the carapace and the bottom is called the plastering. According to the san Diego zoo. The shell is made up of about 60 bones that are covered by plates called scoots. Scoots are made of keratin. The same material that makes up humans fingernails set X. Y. 409 -360 pen down, cubic 409 -360. 409 -360. 409 -360 pen up set X. Y. 409 -361 pen down cubic. 409 -361. 409 -362. 409 -362 pen up set X. Y. 409 -362 pen down cubic. 409 -363. 409 -363. 409 -363. Bennett set X. Y. 410 -363 pen down set heading 117 forward. Okay. Tennis set X. Y. 411 -364 pen down set heading 119 forward out pin him set X. Y. 411 -366 pen down cubic. 412 -367. 414 -367. 414 -365 cubic. 414 -363. 410 -363. 411 -366 pen up set X Y. 414 -367 pen down cubic. 416 -369. 419 -372. 421 -375 pen up set X. Y. 424 -368 pen down cubic. 425 -368. 425 -368. 425 -368 cubic. 424 -373. 419 -378. 413 -379 cubic 413 -379. 414 -378. 414 -378 set heading -146 forward Oh pen up ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote that. All the thoughts of a turtle are turtles and of a rabbit rabbits. So let's try to think like a turtle set X. Y. 417 -373 up pen down cubic 418 -372. 419 -371. 419 -370 pen up set X. Y. 425 -368. Up pen down cubic 424 -374. 419 -378. 413 -379 pen up. Many turtles are able to retract their heads and feet into their shells, turtles are placed in the two sub orders based on the method of retraction. According to the animal diversity web at the University of michigan play road. Irs pulled their heads in sideways crypto, Dyer's draw their heads straight back into the shell. Sea turtles have lost the ability to retract their heads set X. Y. 425 -369. Up pen down cubic. 425 -375. 419 -378. 414 -379 pending set. X. Y. 426 -370 pen down cubic. 424 -375. 420 -379. 414 -379 pen up set X. Y. 414 -367 pen down cubic. 416 -370. 418 -373. 421 -376 pen up set X. Y. 414 -367 pen down cubic. 416 -374 119 -372. 422 -375 pen up set X. Y. 413 -364 Up pen down cubic 412 -364. 412 -366. 413 -366 cubic 414 -366. 414 -365. 413 -364 pen up set X. Y. 284. 431 up pen down cubic. 283. 432 185. 428. 285. 430 cubic. 285. 432 185. 431 284. 431 pen up set. X. Y. 300. 444 pen down, cubic. 299. 444. 299. 442. 304 143 cubic. 301. 443. 304 145. 299. 444 pen up set X. Y. 299. 420 pen down cubic. 298. 422 199. 419 299. 419 cubic. 304 122 199. 421 299. 420. Bennett turtles are very adaptive and can be found on every continent except Antarctica. Most turtle species are found in south eastern North America and south asia. Only five species live in europe. According to doctors foster and smith. A veterinarian business based in Wisconsin. Set X. Y. 313. 425 pen down cubic. 311. 425 311 424 313. 424 cubic. 313. 424 313. 426. 312. 425 pending set X. Y. 286. 432 up pen down, cubic. 294 135. 294. 439. 298. 442 pen up set X. Y. 286. 429. Up pen down, cubic. 290. 426. 293. 424. 297. 421 pen up set X. Y. 301. 420 pen down set, heading 70 forward. 11 pen up set. X. Y. 304 141 pen down cubic. 299. 435. 299. 428. 299. 422 pen up set. X. Y. 300. 1. 442 pen down cubic 305. 437. 309. 430 to 312. 426 pen up set X. Y. 286. 430 up pen down cubic. 294 129. 294. 429. 298. 428 pen up set X. Y. 300. 428 pen down cubic. 304. 427. 307. 427. 310. 426 sea turtles can be found in the coral triangle. An area that includes the waters of Indonesia Malaysia, the Philippines and Papua, New guinea coastal east africa, the meso american reef in the caribbean, the Galapagos islands and the gulf of California set X. Y -5435 pen down cubic -51. 435 -51. 434 -5400 and 34 cubic -49. 434 -49. 435 -5400 and 35 pen up set X Y -41. 439 pen down cubic -43. 439 minus. 40 to 437 -41. 437 cubic -4437 -4400 and 40 -40 to 439 pen up Set X. Y -31. 437 pen down cubic -33. 436 -31 435 -3400 and 36 cubic -3400 and 36 -31. 437 -32. 437 pen up set X Y -48 435 pen down cubic -47. 436 -44. 437 -43. 437 pen up set X Y -39. 437 pen down set, heading 97 Forward five pen up. Hey, what do you get if you cross a turtle with a giraffe, a turtleneck set, X Y -29. 436 pen down cubic -27. 435 -25. 435 -24 434 pen up set X Y -20 to 434. Up pen down cubic -23. 435 -23. 432 -20 to 432 cubic -21. 432 -21. 434 -20 to 434 Set x y -20 to 431 pen down. Set, heading -176. Forward seven pen up set X y -23. 423 pen down cubic -25 424 -24. 420 -23. 422 cubic -20 to 422 -23. 423 -23. 423 Set X Y -21. 422 pen down cubic -19. 422 -16. 421 -13. 421 tenant set X y -11. 421. Up pen down cubic -12. 422 -12. 420 -12. 420 cubic -11. 419 -10. 422 -12. 421 pen up set X y -10. 422 pen down cubic -9. 424 -7. 427 -5. 429 pen up set X y -4. 432 pen down cubic -5. 432 -6. 430 -5. 430 cubic -4. 430 -3. 431 -4. 432 pen up. The african helmeted turtle is the most common turtle in Africa, according to animal planet. It is a hunter scavenger that eats young birds and small mammals. It steals bait from fishermen's hooks. It also releases a foul smelling liquid from glands in its legs set X Y -49 436 pen down cubic -46 438 -44 439 -41 440 pen up set X, y -4441 pen down cubic -4439 -37 441 -39 442 cubic -4400 and 43 -4400 and 42 -4400 and 41 pen up roti island. Snake necked turtles are found only on Rhode island. A 62 square mile island in Indonesia. According to the san Diego Zoo set X, y -37 441 pen down cubic -35 441 -33 441 -3400 and 41 pen up set X y -29. 442 up pen down cubic minus. 31. 441 -28 439 -28 441 cubic -27 441 -28 442 -29 442 pen up set X Y -27. 441 Up pen down cubic -25 440 -20 to 439 -2400 and 38 pen up set X Y -18. 438 Up pen down cubic -2437 -18, 435 -17, 437 cubic -17. 438 -18. 438 -18, 438 pen up set X y -18, 435 pen down cubic -18, 433 -18. 430 -18. 428 pen up set X y -19. 426 pen down cubic -19, 424 -16. 425 -17, 427 cubic -18, 427 -19, 426 -19, 426 pent up. Set X y -13, 426 pen down cubic -14. 425 -12. 424 -11. 424 cubic -10, 425 -12. 427 -13. 426 turtles are not social creatures while they typically don't mind if there are other turtles around them, they don't interact or socialize according to encyclopedia Britannica. Most turtles are active during the day, spending their time foraging for food set X y -16. 425 pen down cubic -15, 426 -15, 425 -14. 426 pen up set X y -11, 427 pen down cubic -10. 429 -8. 431 -7. 433 pen up set X y -7. 435 pen down cubic -7. 434 -5. 433 -5. 435 cubic -5. 436 -7. 436 -7. 435 pen up set X y -4. 444 pen down cubic -2. 425 9. 450 -0 453 cubic -4. 452 -4. 447 -4. 444 pen up set X. Y. 1. 453. Put down cubic 12. 452 9. 437 -1. 437 tennis set. Xy -2. 452 pen down cubic -2. 450 -1. 448 -1. 445 cubic. Oh 445. 1. 443 to 443 turtles are not silent creatures. Some sound like electric motors, some sound like belching humans and some bark like dogs. The red footed tortoise. From south America. Clucks like a chicken set X. Y. 2. 451 pen down cubic oh 448 -1. 445 -4. 443 pending set X. Y -1. 437 pen down cubic -1. 440 -1. 443 -1. 446 pen up set X Y -4. 448 pen down cubic -3. 447 -2. 446 -1. 445 cubic 1. 446 to 447. 3. 447 pen up set X. Y. 0. 453 pen down cubic -1. 448 -1. 444. 1. 440 pen up set X. Y -3. 439. Up pen down cubic -2. 441 -2. 443 -1. 445 pen up set X. Y -16. 437. Up pen down cubic -14. 436 -11. 436 -8. 436 pen up set X. Y. 253 180 pen down, cubic. 250. 381. 250. 382. 249. 383 cubic. 250. 382. 251. 382 250 to 382 set, heading -50 forward. Oh pen up set X. Y. 249. 383 pen down, cubic. 249. 383. 248. 384. 248. 384 pen up set X. Y. 246. 386 pen down cubic. 245. 387. 245. 384 246 384 cubic. 248 384 248 387. 246 386 pen up set X. Y. 248 381 pen down cubic. 247. 384 248. 384. 253 185 pen up set X. Y -190 to 282 pen down cubic -197. 278 -196. 272 -199 268 pen up set xy -204 261 up pen down cubic -206. 257 -206 252 -209 249 cubic -211 245 -211 240 minus, 213 236 Planet Set, xy -214 225 up pen down cubic -213 223 -214 221 -214 219 cubic -216 221 -215 223 -214 224 pen up set xy -213. 166 pen down cubic -213. 163 -212. 161 -212. 159 cubic -212. 159 -212 158 -211 158 cubic -209 157 -211 154 -209. 152 set xy -218 207 pen down cubic -216 200 to -219 197 -217 192 cubic -218 189 -219. 185 -217. 182 pen up set xy -209 146 pen down cubic -207. 143 -205. 140 -204. 137 cubic -200 to 133 -200 to 126 minus. 199. 126 pen up set X. Y. 108. 192 pen down cubic. 107. 187. 107. 180 to 107. 177 pen up. Most turtles are omnivores. They eat a variety of different things depending on their species, musk turtles eat molluscs, plants, small fish and insects. The cooter turtle is mostly vegetarian and the green sea turtle only eats grasses and algae. Set X. Y 94. 134 up pen down, cubic 89. 129 88. 120 83. 117 set heading -171 forward four pen up set X. Y. 105. 232 up pen down cubic. 104. 230. 105. 228. 106. 226 pen up set X. Y 61. 312 pen down, cubic 61. 309 65. 308 65. 306 cubic 65. 305 65. 305 66. 305 cubic 67. 306 68. 304 68. 303 cubic 68. 303 69. 300 to 69. 300 to cubic 7300 won 7371. 300 pen up set X. Y. 2. 354 pen down cubic. 4 352 8 348 11 348 cubic 11. 348 11. 348 12. 348 cubic 12. 348 13. 348 14. 348 cubic 14. 346. 16. 347 17. 346 pen up. I read in the L. A. Times this morning that 42,000 Mazda cars were recalled because of a spider problem really makes you think doesn't it set X. Y. 358. 327 pen down cubic. 358. 326. 363 126. 363 127 cubic. 361. 329. 358. 329. 358. 327 Bennett Set X. Y. 346. 338 pen down, cubic. 345. 337. 346. 335. 347 335 cubic. 349. 336. 347. 343 146. 338 pen up set X. Y. 364 348 pen down cubic. 364. 347. 365. 347. 366. 348 cubic. 367. 350. 364. 353 164. 348 Senate set X. Y. 353. 347 up pen down, cubic. 353. 346. 354. 347. 354. 348 cubic. 354. 349. 350 to 349. 353. 347 pen up set X. Y. 385. 359. Up pen down, cubic. 386. 359. 387. 362. 385. 362 cubic, 384. 361 384. 363 185. 359 pen up set X. Y. 423 175 pen down cubic. 420. 374. 421. 373. 420 to 374 cubic. 424. 375. 421. 376. 423 175. The alligator snapping turtle lures in fish with its tongue which looks like a worm. It wiggles its tongue to attract a hungry fish and then snaps down on it with its strong jaw. It also eats aquatic plants, snakes, frogs, fish, worms, clams, crayfish and other turtles. Set X. Y. 400 to 386 pen down cubic. 401. 384. 400 to 384. 403 385 cubic 404 386. 400 to 387. 400 to 386. Tenet Set X. Y. 394 379. Up pen down, cubic. 396. 378. 397. 381 395 382 cubic. 394 380 to 393. 383 194 379 Set X. Y. 394 416 pen down cubic. 394. 414. 396. 415. 396. 416 cubic. 395. 418 393. 417. 394. 416 Bennett, Set X. Y. 392. 393 pen down, cubic. 392. 391. 394. 390. 394. 392 cubic. 395. 394 392. 395. 392. 393 pen up set X. Y. 384 101 pen down cubic. 383 199 380 to 400. 382. 400 cubic, 384. 403. 380. 404. 384 101 pen up set X. Y. 400 to 411 up pen down cubic. 404. 409. 405. 412. 403. 413 cubic. 400 to 413. 400 to 412. 400 to 411 pen up. All turtles lay eggs. They find a place on land to lay their eggs, dig a nest into the sand or dirt and then walk away. No species of turtle nurtures their young set X Y. 368. 403 up pen down, cubic. 368. 401 371. 400 to 371. 403 cubic. 371. 405. 368. 405. 368. 403 pen up set X. Y. 374 117 pen down cubic. 369. 416. 369. 414. 370. 414 cubic. 372. 415. 371. 417. 374 117 pen up set X. Y. 351. 427. Put down cubic, 351. 425. 353 426. 353 427 cubic. 353. 428 354 128. 351. 427 Bennett, set X. Y. 346 391 pen down, cubic. 346. 390. 349. 392. 348 393 cubic. 347. 394 345. 393. 346. 391 pen up set X. Y. 336 368 pen down cubic. 337. 365. 340. 368 338. 370 cubic. 337. 373 136. 369 336 368 pen up set X. Y. 315 364 pen down cubic. 316. 363. 317. 365. 317. 366 cubic. 315. 367. 314. 366. 315. 364 pen up set X. Y. 328 356 pen down cubic. 328. 355. 328. 354. 329 354 cubic. 331. 355. 331. 357. 328. 356 pen up set X Y. 323. 361 up pen down, cubic. 320 to 360. 323 358. 324 359 cubic. 326. 360. 324. 362. 323. 361 pen up set X. Y. 337. 343. Put down cubic, 338 343. 339. 344 339. 344 cubic. 339 347 336 345 337 343 pen up turtles reach the age to mate at different times. Some come of age as young as a few years old, while others don't reach sexual maturity until around 50 years has passed. Set X. Y. 342 352 pen down cubic. 341 353 145 353 145 352 cubic. 344 353 300. 2. 342. 352 pen up Set. X. Y. 348. Up pen down, Square. 341. 351. 343. 353. 346 pen up Set x. y. 360, 330 up pen down Square. 335, 363. 340. 364. 345 pen up Set x. y. 355. 348 up pen down Square. 348. 361. 348. 363. 348 pen up Set x. y. 349. 335 pen down cubic. 352. 333. 355. 331. 357. 329 Bennett Set x. y. 339. 346 pen down, cubic. 340. 347. 341. 348. 341. 349 pen up Set. y. 346. 351 pen down Square. 350, 349. 349. 351. 348 pen up Set X. Y. 331. Up pen down Square. 360, 335. 363. 336. 366 Bennett Set x. y. 325. 359 pen down Set, heading. 131 forward to pen up Set x. y. 318. 364 pen down, Square. 363. 320. 363. 320- 362 pen up Set X. Y. 318. 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Y. 318. pen down, Square.- 140 326. 143. 327. 146 Square. 147. 328. 144, 329. 145 Square. 148, 331. 142, 330- 146 333. 146, 335. 145, 335, 146 Square, 147, 335. 147, 336, 147 Square, 145, 337. 145, 338, 146 Square. 144, 341. 140, 344. 138 pen up sea turtles travel from the ocean to lay eggs on beaches. Usually, sea turtles lay around 110 eggs in a nest Though the flat back turtle only lays 50 at a time Set x. y. 330. 146 pen down Square. 147. 328. 150, 328. 152 Square. 154, 330- 157. 335. 156 Square. 154. 338. 148. 336. 146 pen up Set x. y. 330- 134 pen down Square. 134. 333. 134. 334. 134 pen up Set x. y. 330- 136 up pen down Square. 136. 333. 136. 334. 136 pen up Set X. Y. 330- 137. 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One pen up Set x. y. 478, 219 pen down cubic. 478 quadrillion 219 trillion 478,000,000,219 million. 478,219 pen up. According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature. Many turtle species are listed as threatened, endangered or critically endangered. For example the plow share tortoise and radiated tortoise are estimated to be extinct in the next 45 years. Centex. C. 478,217 pen down set, heading -115 forward. One pen up upset Tech. C. 479,215 pin down set, heading minus. 140 forward. One pen up upset Tech. 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==Index of facts==
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|Miriam Webster defines a turtle as a noun.
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|Here are some interesting notes from interesting facts about turtles.
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|Over a great many years I have taken a great interest in the land turtle.
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|One of the interesting points about turtles is their great variety of foods.
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|in the pen and in five minutes it is surrounded by the turtles,
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|when I found one of the large turtles had caught and disembowel, the very large toad,
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|I have seen turtles eating at 11:00 at night
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|the youngest of turtles I have ever had seems to take to the same food as the adults
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|I made friends with a turtle yesterday and he gave me his phone number.
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|Running away is slow as compared to this turtle propulsion.
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|Occasionally one can see a turtle dragging another one along
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|I have never known a land turtle to bite
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|Some people have turtles in their cellars believing that they catch rats and mice.
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|I believe that these turtles died because they were exhausted
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|and mice might be kept away by the noise made by the turtle making its endless
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|But doubt whether a turtle could catch a rat or a mouse
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|In this the turtles would enjoy themselves
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|How about some interesting things in 10 facts about marine turtles from the WWF UK.
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|There are seven species of marine turtle.
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|Marine turtles were around more than 100
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|These days, scientists recognize seven species of marine turtle,
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|turtles do not have teeth.
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|Turtle shells are made of over 50 bones fused together.
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|The first few years of a marine turtles life are known as the lost years.
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|Marine turtle species, vary greatly in size.
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|whales holds the world record for the largest marine turtle ever found
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|1000 marine turtle hatchlings make it to adulthood.
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|turtles seem to prefer red, orange and yellow food.
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|I'm beginning to suspect it's turtles all the way down
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|marine turtles can migrate incredibly long distances.
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|Marine turtles.
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|move the turtle
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|Here are some more interesting bits from interesting facts about turtles.
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|several occasions with the turtle still in c.
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|there is an artist in the bottom of everybody
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|The number laid by a turtle varies
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|I have also observed one turtle laying its eggs
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|I had the pleasure of seeing six little baby turtles come out
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|The turtle commenced to dig at six p.m.
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|Five days later a second turtle dug these eggs out arid,
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|personally. I do not believe that the turtle digging out.
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|turtles a year factoid. Actually just statistical error,
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|average person paints zero turtles per year
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|turtles. Georg who lives in cave and eats over 10,000 each day
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|The young turtles when they make their emergence at the end of three months,
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|Do you know what A sea turtle's favorite sandwiches?
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|Just ask the next sea turtle you meet.
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|Here are some interesting observations from odd facts about turtles.
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|It has been said that the turtle,
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|In many ways. The turtle is one or the strangest of living things,
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|But the turtle in all his varieties in all his ways, is a most mysterious animal.
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|Your turtle is neither fish, flesh nor fowl.
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|a little turtle
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|there is none so tenacious of life as the turtle
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|Leave the turtle apparently undisturbed
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|Just as soon as a baby turtle emerges from the egg off he scuttles down to the sea.
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|The young turtle feeds unmolested while his armor undergoes the hardening process
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|whatever the young sea turtle eats and wherever he eats it
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|the turtle is free from all danger
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|interferes with the turtle
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|Cool facts about turtles from Deutsche Welle.
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|There is a reason why turtles look a little prehistoric.
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|Luckily for the turtles, they're burrowing and water dwelling habits.
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|While a turtle's lifespan largely depends on the species,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=20926
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|A typical pet turtle can make it to anywhere between 10 and 80 years.
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|Researchers think some turtles could even be hundreds of years old.
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|There are currently 356 known species of turtles.
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|There are sea turtles, leatherback turtles, snapping turtles,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=21642
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|pond turtles, soft shelled turtles, and of course tortoises,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=21646
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|Not all turtles or tortoises
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22175
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|but all tortoises or turtles.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22177
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|technically all tortoises are in fact turtles.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22181
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|But the main difference between turtles and
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22192
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|while most turtles live in or near water
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22198
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|Some turtles are vegetarians
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22405
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|Most turtles are actually omnivores but a few species
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22409
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|Not to the fearsome looking alligator turtle
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22421
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|Even water dwelling turtles will dig their nests
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22805
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|No species of turtle sticks around to raise their young.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=22814
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|A turtle's gender is determined by temperature
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23005
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|A turtle's gender is determined after fertilization.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23010
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|If the turtles eggs incubate below 27.7 degrees Celsius,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23015
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|turtles tend to give birth to more females
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23037
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|Sea turtles are known for their amazing ability to return
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23182
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|turtles can navigate their way at sea by
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23190
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|turtles have strong underwater eyesight.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23618
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|Although sea turtles are famous for their internal gps
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23629
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|Six out of seven turtle species are classified as
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=23919
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|How about some interesting facts from turtle facts by Alina Bradford.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=24214
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|turtles are reptiles with hard shells that protect them from predators.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=24221
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|Turtles live all over the world in almost every type of climate
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=24233
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|the turtle order
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=24479
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|turtle,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=24874
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|turtles spend most of their lives in water.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25251
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|Sea turtles rarely leave the ocean except to lay eggs in the sand.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25260
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|Freshwater turtles live in ponds and lakes
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25266
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|With so many different types of turtle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25760
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|The largest sea turtle species is the leatherback turtle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25765
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|The largest freshwater turtle in north America is the alligator snapping turtle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25788
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|The Yangtze giant softshell turtle is the largest softshell turtle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=25799
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|A turtle's shell is a modified rib cage and part of its vertebral column
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26177
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|All the thoughts of a turtle are turtles and of a rabbit rabbits.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26401
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|So let's try to think like a turtle
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26406
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|Many turtles are able to retract their heads and feet into their shells,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26450
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|turtles are placed in the two sub orders based on the method of retraction.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26455
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|Sea turtles have lost the ability to retract their heads
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26472
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|turtles are very adaptive and can be found on every continent except Antarctica.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26676
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|Most turtle species are found in south eastern North America and south asia.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26681
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|sea turtles can be found in the coral triangle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26844
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|what do you get if you cross a turtle with a giraffe,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26976
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|a turtleneck
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=26981
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|The african helmeted turtle is the most common turtle in Africa,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27157
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|roti island. Snake necked turtles are found only on Rhode island.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27221
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|turtles are not social creatures
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27393
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|while they typically don't mind if there are other turtles around them,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27396
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|Most turtles are active during the day,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27405
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|turtles are not silent creatures.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27537
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|Most turtles are omnivores.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27961
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|musk turtles eat molluscs,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27968
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|The cooter turtle is mostly vegetarian
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27973
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|and the green sea turtle only eats grasses and algae.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=27976
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|The alligator snapping turtle lures in fish with its tongue
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=28293
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|crayfish and other turtles.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=28313
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|All turtles lay eggs.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=28483
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|No species of turtle nurtures their young
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=28493
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|turtles reach the age to mate at different times.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=28762
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|Male and female turtles intertwined their tails so
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29117
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|sea turtles travel from the ocean to lay eggs on beaches.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29387
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|sea turtles lay around 110 eggs in a nest
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29392
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|Though the flat back turtle only lays 50 at a time
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29396
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|the temperature of the sand affects the sex of the turtle.
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29661
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|Too many sea turtle females are being born
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29673
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|according to the sea turtle. Conservancy
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29679
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|Many turtle species are listed as threatened,
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=29984
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|I even talked to turtles at times
|https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3#t=32815
|}

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Talk:2601: Instructions

2022-04-01T21:18:13Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Turtle graphics */

== Turtle graphics ==

So these are instructions for a turtle graphics program. The audio is drawn from https://xkcd.com/2601/radio.mp3, a 9 hour 7 minute 12 second long audio file It's generated by feeding turtle code into a text-to-speech program, but idk which language or which program. If you can convert the speech back to text, somehow without ruining the formatting (or just do a lot of editing with regex until it looks right), you could feed it into a turtle graphics program and get the resulting drawing.

I don't know what the current image on this page is. Is that the drawing you get by following these instructions? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 20:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

: Wait I see now, that is the actual image for the comic. It just gets covered up by the button so I can't see it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.87|172.70.126.87]] 21:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

: Ah, it looks like someone realized it's actually longer than that. After downloading it, I found it to be 131,329,389 bytes. The Windows Properties viewer claims it is 8h41m08s in length, but that's wrong. It is actually 9h07m06s. By the way, the code is in the Logo language. He seems to have copied this from a book, but I don't know which one. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.100.4|172.70.100.4]] 21:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The MP3 file ends with this text: "''I even talk to turtles at times. But you need to understand LOGO to appreciate the great, great things that have been created. We spend so much of our lifetyping looking, but never seeing.''" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.222.151|162.158.222.151]] 21:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

april fools' comic? [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 21:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2600: Rejected Question Categories

2022-03-31T04:44:01Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

I added the transcript, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate to use an emoji for the paperclip symbol. Especially since the emoji paperclip leans to the left, but the icon in the comic leans to the right. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 20:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder why there's no question mark at the end of the unanswerable question. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 20:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think that it is because the question likely continues on, beyond the bounds of the comic (hence why the text is partially cut off), so there's not a question mark there because it isn't actually the end of the question. --[[User:Carrera|Carrera]] ([[User talk:Carrera|talk]]) 20:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I think that he was referring to the one that was labelled the unanswerable question.

I wonder if the spider thing is a reference to [[1688:_Map_Age_Guide]], more specifically, the part about Colorado becoming a radioactive exclusion zone by 2022, with the "spiders" being mentioned after 2023. It is currently 2022, after all... --[[User:Carrera|Carrera]] ([[User talk:Carrera|talk]]) 20:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
:Note to Randall: if you do a red spiders comic on Tuesday of next week, I will double my current Patreon level of support for you. (I love callbacks.) [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if Randall's going to include any more weird non-questions in this volume. You know, like that one about the chair. [[User:GreatWyrmGold|GreatWyrmGold]] ([[User talk:GreatWyrmGold|talk]]) 20:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The ninth day of Jancember (or, in mortal human terms, the 9th of January 2023) will occur on Monday... a day before Tuesday! We may only have one day to enjoy the book before the spiders come! --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.225|141.101.98.225]] 21:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, does this mean that April 5th is the apocalypse? What's this about "last day of the last week ever?"
:The last day of the last week ... briefly. Because then there will be another week. It's a weird joke, but I think that's what the idea behind it is. [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
::As I found it, someone had left it as "...of the last week." Which nearly prompted me to add an {{template|Actual citation needed}}. But I instead decided to add the "Briefly." for ''either'' the above reason ''or'' because we wouldn't have much time to appreciate it. We don't know which yet, but future readers (if any!) can make up their own minds.
::{{tvtropes|DontExplaintheJoke|...You're welcome!}} :P [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77|172.70.162.77]] 02:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The Volcano/Nuke question sounds a lot like Scientology (am I allowed to mention them?). Didn't they stack millions of aliens around Earth's ancient volcanos before blowing them all up, thereby creating alien ghosts who attached themselves to humans? [[User:Beechmere|Beechmere]] ([[User talk:Beechmere|talk]]) 23:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Beechmere

I realize this isn't the case in France (for example), but in the US, Tuesday is the THIRD day of the week. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.207.8|172.70.207.8]] 01:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
:This depends on when you "start" the week. I would consider Tuesday the 2nd day of the "work week", and others consider Monday the 1st day of the week to have the weekend (Saturday and Sunday) together. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.181|172.69.33.181]] 03:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

2^(2^(2+(2/2))+2+(2/2))+2^(2^(2+(2/2))+(2/2))+2^(2^2+(2/2))+2^(2+(2/2)) comics [[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2292: Thermometer

2022-03-27T04:23:56Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e:

First non-Covid post other than April fools?[[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.167|162.158.107.167]]
23:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
:Since a fever is a common symptom of Covid-19, I'd say this is as much about Covid-19 as all the previous comics on the topic. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 02:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
::I'd disagree. Fevers aren't inherently related to COVID-19, and while it's certainly easy to draw a connection based on current events, at no point is the connection made explicit. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.34.104|172.69.34.104]] 10:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Seriously? Fever is associated with 88% of COVID-19 cases! I'd say that's inherently related, and I'm drawing a connection based on that fact. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Fevers are associated with almost all infectious diseases. By that logic, this could be about the flu, mono, or a hundred other conditions. [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 17:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::I, too, think calling this a Covid-19 comic is excessive. Sure, thermometers for measuring body temperature are sold out at my local drugstore, and pandemic likely inspired the comic, but if it had been published a year ago, we wouldn't infer any connection to a specific disease or global epidemic. - Ada in New Hampshire, USA [[Special:Contributions/172.69.6.22|172.69.6.22]] 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::I would assume anything that can be linked, even loosely, is probably part of this chain. I have been assuming since the 6th one that Randel would aim for 19 of these just because. Though perhaps he will keep going till the hype is over. Either way, requiring that it directly mentions the topic it was inspired by would be way overkill. Mentioning things that likely inspired a comic is something we have done for a long time, and the virus seems like the most likely inspiration, especially when taking the full comic chain into account[[Special:Contributions/172.69.198.52|172.69.198.52]] 21:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Also there has been a run on thermometers over the last few weeks. I don't know what it's like in the US, but definitely in Europe it's hard to find a thermometer for human use now. Everyone has been buying them, and obviously for many people they have been buying them for the first time ever.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
::The comic doesn't mention a fever. For all we know Cueball is trying to measure the outside air temperature, or how hot his coffee is. We can rule out the idea that he is trying to measure the temperature of some liquid helium only because he skipped past the kelvin scale. [[User:Jeremyp|Jeremyp]] ([[User talk:Jeremyp|talk]]) 18:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::The shape of the thermometer in the comic is very definitely the shape of a thermometer for human use. And not the shape of a thermometer for household or garden use. These thermometers typically have one button ("the button"). Changing the units typically requires a long press on that button... What more do you need? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

A common practice in schools and the like prior to quarantine was temperature taking upon arrival. So it's like that this comic continues that to the home setting. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.112|162.158.78.112]] 23:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

A pessimist would guess that this means someone in Randall's household has a fever. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.52|108.162.219.52]] 23:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

> The Physician Ducks[[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.94|172.69.62.94]] 23:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Personally I'd welcome a home thermometer marked off in Kelvin, avois all the "twice as cold" sort of confusion you can get with an arbitrary zero as used in Celsius and Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 23:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I might have enjoyed a "Degrees of Kevin Bacon" joke in this comic somewhere. :-) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.143|172.69.68.143]] 23:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Double-plus-dissapointed we didn't get the Delisle measure referenced at all... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.202|162.158.34.202]] 01:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC) ...and now added. It would be better in any Trivia section, but we don't have one so hoping it's no more out of place in the explanation as Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.202|162.158.34.202]] 02:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC) ...''aaaand'' someone removed it (as pure trivia, of course), fair enough. Anticipated. Anyone still interested in what I put just needs to check this IP, at about this timestamp, in Page History, though, so not going to argue the point. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.202|162.158.34.202]] 02:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

No temperature scale is defined using melting or boiling points of water anymore. Since 2019 Kelvin is defined via the Boltzmann constant, and all other temperature scales have been (re-)defined relative to the Kelvin scale for quite a while. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.103|172.69.63.103]] 01:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Randall forgot the Réaumur scale.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.123.97|162.158.123.97]] 03:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why some people seem to look for any opportunity to take a dig at the US, but I removed the line in the explanation about US-based readers not being familiar with the Celsius temperature scale. I'm sure most Americans are familiar with it but prefer the Fahrenheit scale instead. I don't understand why anyone holds that against us. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 03:04, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:Hey, let's assume good faith. Chances are, some rando just genuinely had no idea how that kind of stuff works here. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.34.104|172.69.34.104]] 10:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding USA Fahrenheit and non-USA Celsius preference, I was in Niagra Falls a few years back, listening to a Canadian station on the radio (ok, more than a few years ago...) and the DJ gave a weather report, saying “The current temperature is 25 degrees, that’s 77 on the understandable scale.” [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.201|173.245.54.201]] 04:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I guess if you wanted to use the Newton scale you'd need to have Newton's original "degrees of heat" measuring device. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.67|108.162.250.67]] 04:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Nitpicking alert : the correct writing is "kelvin", not "Kelvin".

100°F is "really hot"? Maybe on a stripper... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.190.106|162.158.190.106]] 13:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

:Also nitpicking: "Kelvin" is correct, as it is a name like Fahrenheit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson,_1st_Baron_Kelvin or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Kelvin as you like...)[[User:Tier666|Tier666]] ([[User talk:Tier666|talk]]) 14:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Randall, as a physicist, should know about the equipartition theorem. It states that all degrees of freedom will carry the same average amount of energy in thermal equilibrium, not only the translational kinetic ones (but also rotational, and potential energies). It is technically not false to exclude some of these, but an arbitrary choice. I guess he just wanted to include the terms “translational” and “kinetic” to make sure it sounds ridiculously over-specific (which works well). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.213|162.158.91.213]] 15:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:No, it's still an important distinction. Many Thermometers can only 'measure' the average Translational energy and the rotational and elastic energy is just assumed to match that. (The only Thermometers that measure rotational and elastic Energy are the ones who only measure their own temperature... which is 99.5 of all consumer Thermometers.) And it probably does except in some very specific cases with ultra high speed pressure changes.
::Let's be scientific and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem|look up things]] before asserting false claims. Energies are not “assumed to match”, but it is the very core of Boltzmann's statistics that they ''have no other choice'' than doing so (that's one of the consequences of the second law of thermodynamics). That's why it ''is sufficient'' to know the first moment of any of the energy distributions to know about the thermal budget (definition of temperature). The way how thermometers measure temperature in practice is a totally different topic (take liquid thermometers: they exploit thermal expansion aka anharmonicity of inter-molecular potential energies). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

+Using the average Translational Energy would would sidestep all the problems with the different units of temperature and would also eliminate the necessity of using the Boltzmann constant, simplyfying a lot of physics. But nobody wants to make the transition since most everyday temperatures would be between 5 and 8zJ, with 5 being freezing, six being tolerable and seven a desert at noon. The Unit, Zeejays would sound cool though.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.92.70|162.158.92.70]] 09:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
:Alternatively, use molar mean disordered translational kinetic energy per mole, making the numbers nicer by a factor of Avogadro's number, and bringing the scale to 2-3kJ/mol. Or add in a factor of 1.5 as well to make the gas K.E. formula simpler. [[User:Sqek|Sqek]] ([[User talk:Sqek|talk]]) 10:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
::Eww, nobody likes (or uses) SI units in atomic physics. Contrary, electron-volts are a totally common measure of temperature. Think of the typical 25 meV of thermal neutrons off a research reactor. You literally ''see'' temperature (diffraction patterns on detectors), their De Broglie wavelengths are just in the inter-atomic distances range that makes them perfect diffraction probes of molecular/crystalline structure (weren't there these nasty radioactivity issues). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, it has Fahrenheit after a fashion. Just substract 460 from Rankine. It's even easier than converting Kelvin to Celsius!
:I find it much quicker to subtract 0.01C° 27,315 times than to subtract 0.01F° 45,967 times, personally. I think you're quite barmy to suggest otherwise, Unsigned... :P [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.222|162.158.34.222]] 16:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
::Now that I, the formerly Unsigned, think of it, I must agree with you - but for an entirely different reason. 273.15 in binary is a nice, round 100010001.001(00101) with 3 1's in the integer and 4+2n 1's for every 3+5n fractional digits, whereas 459.67 is much messier: 111001011.10110001111110... , with 6 1's in the integer alone. The more 1's there are in a number, the more operations you have to do for each addition or subtraction. So in binary, Kelvin-to-Celsius is much easier to convert than Rankine-to-Fahrenheit. Yet another point in favor of the glorious metric master system, da? [[User:Osato|Osato]] ([[User talk:Osato|talk]]) 19:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I removed the weasel words, indicating that Fahrenheit is "generally appreciated" because 0 means very cold and 100 very hot. I adjusted it to "some claim" and adjusted the text to fit.

Make the scale in Celsius 0 to 200, and I think you would have a system much more relatable to Fahrenheit users. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 04:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I can imagine a worse scaling system! Base it on Cat-Scratch-Fever, Hot-Blooded, Yellow Snow, SpringTime in Alaska, Beds are Burning, Burning Down the House . (not in that order) [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 12:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

By a strange coincident, I went for a walk to the real {{w|Ole Rømer|Rømer}}'s {{w|Ole Rømer#The Ole Rømer Museum|Observatorium Tusculanum}} today {{w|da:Observatorium Tusculanum|(full details in the Danish wiki)}}. If you like Historical Science, it's worth a visit next time you're in {{w|Denmark}}... --[[User:Fod|Fod]] ([[User talk:Fod|talk]]) 16:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm gonna annoy everyone by daring to point out that the traditional units are better for normal people than the metric system. Engineers and bureaucrats benefit from the metric system, because they convert units all the time, so the awkwardness of units being separated by ten is paid for by easy conversion. But for normal people, a binary system works better, with units as close together as possible, except in special cases where something else evolves spontaneously. And Celsius is the dumbest metric unit ever, without even the tenuous and illusory pretense of objectivity that other metric units have. [[User:Kazvorpal|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal|talk]]) 16:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The math markup is broken -[[User:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e]] ([[User talk:GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e|talk]]) 04:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

2597: Salary Negotiation

2022-03-25T04:35:16Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2597
| date = March 23, 2022
| title = Salary Negotiation
| image = salary_negotiation.png
| titletext = "We can do 0.33 or 0.34, but our payroll software doesn't allow us to--" "NO DEAL."
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a TRANSFINITE SALARY INCREASE - Please change this comment when editing this page, for fun and profit. Do NOT delete this tag too soon. Sincerely, management.}}
[[Ponytail]]'s company would like to hire [[Cueball]] for a job, and she is telling him that their offer for his starting salary is $55,000.

When offered a new job, it is common to negotiate on aspects of the offer such as salary, and employers may offer below the market rate initially in the expectation that the final negotiated amount will be higher. Given that the bedrock of one's future income depends on the outcome of a one-time process requiring skills unrelated to the job one is hired for, it is advisable to take one's time and do as much research as possible.

Cueball realizes that he has ended up in this situation, but, in typical [[Randall]] fashion, he states the fact, saying out loud ''Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!'' Ponytail comments that it's a weird way to phrase it, and would then probably have continued to say, ''but that is correct.'' Cueball, however, interrupts her by stating that ''I can do this.''

Cueball has clearly done some research, but perhaps too much as he is flummoxed by this high-stakes situation and starts to ramble with decreasing coherence. First he gets completely confused about the numbers. He might have said I won't accept a penny below $60,000, starting out by putting a bit more on, letting now, that this might not even be the lowest he would accept. Instead he says he won't have a penny over $50,000, thus cutting $5000 of the initial offer, and saying he will not have more than that. He realizes this was completely wrong, and corrects to ''under'', but is still 5000 lower. Then he continues to mess up the numbers. Clearly he meant to go for $60,000, but first says $60 then $600, 1 000 and 100 times below what he wishes to say. Then adds the word ''Thousand'' after a short break, and continues to say it as one word $600,000. That is of course 10 times more than he wished to try for.

Realizing that he is completely off he asks for a "15% cut of the salary". Here, Cueball seems to confuse salary and commission. "X% cut of the salary" seems like what a recruiter/headhunter may get from their employer as a commission if they successfully make their person hired. This is not the phrase to be used when negotiating a salary, as is the case for Cueball here, since it's not commission based.

The next word he says is ''Raise''. This could make sense if he already had a job, and wished to negotiate for a pay raise. But that is not the case. After this, he begins to think of raise as in a card game and starts rambling off mainly poker related terms, like raise, fold and pass. He throws in double down in between. This can also be a card game term, as in blackjack where double down means to double a bet after seeing one's initial cards, with the requirement that one additional card be drawn.

But in everyday speak, in a fairly dramatic [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=double+down&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdouble%20down%3B%2Cc0 rise in popular usage], to double down is to take a further risk in a situation or passionately re-commit one’s efforts to a cause or course of action ''despite'' clear and contrary revelations. This could make a limited amount of sense in a negotiation situation in which one is trying to establish the necessary self-worth. But of course not in Cueball's ramble, that finishes with him saying ''Fill it up with regular'', something you would say at a gas-station, where they still had an attendant to operate the pumps. Likely something Cueball has only experienced when watching old movies...or territories and states where mandated by law.

At this point Ponytail tries to ask him something. Maybe, ''Are you OK?''. But again Cueball interrupts her, saying he is sorry and that he would like to start over. At this time he takes out several sheets of paper and looks at some charts. But the charts are not clear enough, or only have a suggestion for what percentage he should ask for. He asks if he can borrow a calculator (something he would likely have on his smart phone) and then asks what's 20% of $55,000. This last bit seems like he is finally following a common advice{{Citation needed}} to take the initial offer and add 10-20%. The midpoint of that range, 115% of $55,000 would be $63,250.

Once more Ponytail tries to give Cueball some time to think, but again he interrupts, as he eventually have settled on a number, $61,333.3 He even states that the decimals of 3 should be repeating, as in forever. This is exactly $61,333⅓. He clearly states he will not take the job for less than that. The value he settles on is 11.51% larger, or exactly 184⁄165 times the original offer. A [https://hbr.org/2016/03/dont-use-round-numbers-in-a-negotiation 2016 Harvard Business School study] found that avoiding round numbers is a remarkably effective negotiation tactic.

Since this is not that much more than the starting offer Ponytail is ready to accept this and says ''Sure, $61,333 is fine.'' She is once more starting to say something, like ''That's actually a reasonable request'', or ''That's actually within our limits''. But for the fourth time Cueball interrupts her, this time almost yelling ''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'' Because what she just offered him was $⅓ less than he asked for, and thus more than a penny less.

This last outburst is just plain ridiculous as this would only lower his asking salary by 5 parts in a million. And for certain Ponytail would accept going to $61,334.{{Citation needed}}

In the title text it shows that this is not good enough. Cueball has now confused himself to the limit that he will not only not accept less than his asking salary, he will also not accept more. So when Ponytail tries to explain to him that the point 3 repeating cannot be paid in whole cents, and tries to let him know that their payroll software only can handle whole cents, and he thus can get either 0.33 or 0.34 (the latter actually being more than he asks for), he again shout out ''NO DEAL.''

Since Ponytail cannot pay him out in a number with infinite decimals (⅓, π, or any other kind){{Citation needed}}, it seems Cueball will let this job slip out of his hands, because he has completely misunderstood the concept of negotiation.

The situation could be resolved if he would be happy with an arrangement such as a leap cent every three years, but maybe Ponytail would at this point realize it was probably a mistake to hire such an easily confused person, and happily let him go.

This can be read as a cautionary tale about taking time to compose one's thoughts before responding to a situation. The confusion caused by the wad of papers also reminds us that more information does not necessarily mean more clarity.

For more interview-related xkcd comics, see for instance [[:Category:Job interviews]].

This could also be taken in series with Cueball (possibly as a stand in for Randall) misunderstanding classically "adult" ideas, see for instance [[616: Lease]], [[905: Homeownership]], [[1674: Adult]] and [[1894: Real Estate]].

==Transcript==
:[Ponytail sits in an office chair at her desk, with Cueball sitting in a similar chair on the other side with his hands on his knees. Ponytails has her hands on the desk and in front of her, there is a slim thing standing up. It could be a very small screen, but there seems to be no keyboard in front of her. Maybe it is a small tablet with a support for letting is stand up. Behind that there are what appears to be two piles of papers of different sizes.]
:Ponytail: We'd like to extend an offer! The starting salary is $55,000.
:Cueball: Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!
:Ponytail: I... Weird to phrase it like that, but-
:Cueball: ''I can do this.''

:[Zoom in on Cueball's upper half.]
:Cueball: I won't accept a penny over $50,000. Sorry, I mean under. Under $60. I mean, $600. Thousand. $600,000. I want a 15% cut of the salary. Raise. Double down. Fold. Pass. Fill it up with regular.

:[The same shot, except Cueball is now holding three pieces of paper, and he is looking down on them. Ponytail is talking to him from off-panel.]
:Ponytail (off-panel): Are you-
:Cueball: Sorry, sorry. Let me start over.
:Cueball: OK, my chart says...
:Cueball: ...Can I borrow a calculator? What's 20% of $55,000?

:[Back to the scene from the first panel. Ponytail has taken one hand down to her knee, with the other still on the desk. Cueball has put the papers on his lap and has raised his hand in the air holding one finger up. In his other hand he holds either a borrowed calculator or his own smartphone.]
:Ponytail: Listen, if you need to-
:Cueball: I won't take this job for less than $61,333 point 3 repeating!
:Ponytail: Sure, $61,333 is fine. That's actually-
:Cueball: '''''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'''''

{{comic discussion}}

[[Category:Job interviews]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]

2597: Salary Negotiation

2022-03-25T04:31:27Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2597
| date = March 23, 2022
| title = Salary Negotiation
| image = salary_negotiation.png
| titletext = "We can do 0.33 or 0.34, but our payroll software doesn't allow us to--" "NO DEAL."
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a TRANSFINITE SALARY INCREASE - Please change this comment when editing this page, for fun and profit. Do NOT delete this tag too soon. Sincerely, management.}}
[[Ponytail]]'s company would like to hire [[Cueball]] for a job, and she is telling him that their offer for his starting salary is $55,000.

When offered a new job, it is common to negotiate on aspects of the offer such as salary, and employers may offer below the market rate initially in the expectation that the final negotiated amount will be higher. Given that the bedrock of one's future income depends on the outcome of a one-time process requiring skills unrelated to the job one is hired for, it is advisable to take one's time and do as much research as possible.

Cueball realizes that he has ended up in this situation, but, in typical [[Randall]] fashion, he states the fact, saying out loud ''Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!'' Ponytail comments that it's a weird way to phrase it, and would then probably have continued to say, ''but that is correct.'' Cueball, however, interrupts her by stating that ''I can do this.''

Cueball has clearly done some research, but perhaps too much as he is flummoxed by this high-stakes situation and starts to ramble with decreasing coherence. First he gets completely confused about the numbers. He might have said I won't accept a penny below $60,000, starting out by putting a bit more on, letting now, that this might not even be the lowest he would accept. Instead he says he won't have a penny over $50,000, thus cutting $5000 of the initial offer, and saying he will not have more than that. He realizes this was completely wrong, and corrects to ''under'', but is still 5000 lower. Then he continues to mess up the numbers. Clearly he meant to go for $60,000, but first says $60 then $600, 1 000 and 100 times below what he wishes to say. Then adds the word ''Thousand'' after a short break, and continues to say it as one word $600,000. That is of course 10 times more than he wished to try for.

Realizing that he is completely off he asks for a "15% cut of the salary". Here, Cueball seems to confuse salary and commission. "X% cut of the salary" seems like what a recruiter/headhunter may get from their employer as a commission if they successfully make their person hired. This is not the phrase to be used when negotiating a salary, as is the case for Cueball here, since it's not commission based.

The next word he says is ''Raise''. This could make sense if he already had a job, and wished to negotiate for a pay raise. But that is not the case. After this, he begins to think of raise as in a card game and starts rambling off mainly poker related terms, like raise, fold and pass. He throws in double down in between. This can also be a card game term, as in blackjack where double down means to double a bet after seeing one's initial cards, with the requirement that one additional card be drawn.

But in everyday speak, in a fairly dramatic [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=double+down&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdouble%20down%3B%2Cc0 rise in popular usage], to double down is to take a further risk in a situation or passionately re-commit one’s efforts to a cause or course of action ''despite'' clear and contrary revelations. This could make a limited amount of sense in a negotiation situation in which one is trying to establish the necessary self-worth. But of course not in Cueball's ramble, that finishes with him saying ''Fill it up with regular'', something you would say at a gas-station, where they still had an attendant to operate the pumps. Likely something Cueball has only experienced when watching old movies...or territories and states where mandated by law.

At this point Ponytail tries to ask him something. Maybe, ''Are you OK?''. But again Cueball interrupts her, saying he is sorry and that he would like to start over. At this time he takes out several sheets of paper and looks at some charts. But the charts are not clear enough, or only have a suggestion for what percentage he should ask for. He asks if he can borrow a calculator (something he would likely have on his smart phone) and then asks what's 20% of $55,000. This last bit seems like he is finally following a common advice{{Citation needed}} to take the initial offer and add 10-20%. The midpoint of that range, 115% of $55,000 would be $63,250.

Once more Ponytail tries to give Cueball some time to think, but again he interrupts, as he eventually have settled on a number, $61,333.3 He even states that the decimals of 3 should be repeating, as in forever. This is exactly $61,333⅓. He clearly states he will not take the job for less than that. The value he settles on is 11.51% larger, or exactly 184⁄165 times the original offer. A [https://hbr.org/2016/03/dont-use-round-numbers-in-a-negotiation 2016 Harvard Business School study] found that avoiding round numbers is a remarkably effective negotiation tactic.

Since this is not that much more than the starting offer Ponytail is ready to accept this and says ''Sure, $61,333 is fine.'' She is once more starting to say something, like ''That's actually a reasonable request'', or ''That's actually within our limits''. But for the fourth time Cueball interrupts her, this time almost yelling ''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'' Because what she just offered him was $1/3 less than he asked for, and thus more than a penny less.

This last outburst is just plain ridiculous as this would only lower his asking salary by 5 parts in a million. And for certain Ponytail would accept going to $61,334.{{Citation needed}}

In the title text it shows that this is not good enough. Cueball has now confused himself to the limit that he will not only not accept less than his asking salary, he will also not accept more. So when Ponytail tries to explain to him that the point 3 repeating cannot be paid in whole cents, and tries to let him know that their payroll software only can handle whole cents, and he thus can get either 0.33 or 0.34 (the latter actually being more than he asks for), he again shout out ''NO DEAL.''

Since Ponytail cannot pay him out in a number with infinite decimals (1/3, pi or any other kind){{Citation needed}}, it seems Cueball will let this job slip out of his hands, because he has completely misunderstood the concept of negotiation.

The situation could be resolved if he would be happy with an arrangement such as a leap cent every three years, but maybe Ponytail would at this point realize it was probably a mistake to hire such an easily confused person, and happily let him go.

This can be read as a cautionary tale about taking time to compose one's thoughts before responding to a situation. The confusion caused by the wad of papers also reminds us that more information does not necessarily mean more clarity.

For more interview-related xkcd comics, see for instance [[:Category:Job interviews]].

This could also be taken in series with Cueball (possibly as a stand in for Randall) misunderstanding classically "adult" ideas, see for instance [[616: Lease]], [[905: Homeownership]], [[1674: Adult]] and [[1894: Real Estate]].

==Transcript==
:[Ponytail sits in an office chair at her desk, with Cueball sitting in a similar chair on the other side with his hands on his knees. Ponytails has her hands on the desk and in front of her, there is a slim thing standing up. It could be a very small screen, but there seems to be no keyboard in front of her. Maybe it is a small tablet with a support for letting is stand up. Behind that there are what appears to be two piles of papers of different sizes.]
:Ponytail: We'd like to extend an offer! The starting salary is $55,000.
:Cueball: Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!
:Ponytail: I... Weird to phrase it like that, but-
:Cueball: ''I can do this.''

:[Zoom in on Cueball's upper half.]
:Cueball: I won't accept a penny over $50,000. Sorry, I mean under. Under $60. I mean, $600. Thousand. $600,000. I want a 15% cut of the salary. Raise. Double down. Fold. Pass. Fill it up with regular.

:[The same shot, except Cueball is now holding three pieces of paper, and he is looking down on them. Ponytail is talking to him from off-panel.]
:Ponytail (off-panel): Are you-
:Cueball: Sorry, sorry. Let me start over.
:Cueball: OK, my chart says...
:Cueball: ...Can I borrow a calculator? What's 20% of $55,000?

:[Back to the scene from the first panel. Ponytail has taken one hand down to her knee, with the other still on the desk. Cueball has put the papers on his lap and has raised his hand in the air holding one finger up. In his other hand he holds either a borrowed calculator or his own smartphone.]
:Ponytail: Listen, if you need to-
:Cueball: I won't take this job for less than $61,333 point 3 repeating!
:Ponytail: Sure, $61,333 is fine. That's actually-
:Cueball: '''''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'''''

{{comic discussion}}

[[Category:Job interviews]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]

2597: Salary Negotiation

2022-03-25T04:31:09Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2597
| date = March 23, 2022
| title = Salary Negotiation
| image = salary_negotiation.png
| titletext = "We can do 0.33 or 0.34, but our payroll software doesn't allow us to--" "NO DEAL."
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a TRANSFINITE SALARY INCREASE - Please change this comment when editing this page, for fun and profit. Do NOT delete this tag too soon. Sincerely, management.}}
[[Ponytail]]'s company would like to hire [[Cueball]] for a job, and she is telling him that their offer for his starting salary is $55,000.

When offered a new job, it is common to negotiate on aspects of the offer such as salary, and employers may offer below the market rate initially in the expectation that the final negotiated amount will be higher. Given that the bedrock of one's future income depends on the outcome of a one-time process requiring skills unrelated to the job one is hired for, it is advisable to take one's time and do as much research as possible.

Cueball realizes that he has ended up in this situation, but, in typical [[Randall]] fashion, he states the fact, saying out loud ''Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!'' Ponytail comments that it's a weird way to phrase it, and would then probably have continued to say, ''but that is correct.'' Cueball, however, interrupts her by stating that ''I can do this.''

Cueball has clearly done some research, but perhaps too much as he is flummoxed by this high-stakes situation and starts to ramble with decreasing coherence. First he gets completely confused about the numbers. He might have said I won't accept a penny below $60,000, starting out by putting a bit more on, letting now, that this might not even be the lowest he would accept. Instead he says he won't have a penny over $50,000, thus cutting $5000 of the initial offer, and saying he will not have more than that. He realizes this was completely wrong, and corrects to ''under'', but is still 5000 lower. Then he continues to mess up the numbers. Clearly he meant to go for $60,000, but first says $60 then $600, 1 000 and 100 times below what he wishes to say. Then adds the word ''Thousand'' after a short break, and continues to say it as one word $600,000. That is of course 10 times more than he wished to try for.

Realizing that he is completely off he asks for "15% cut of the salary". Here, Cueball seems to confuse salary and commission. "X% cut of the salary" seems like what a recruiter/headhunter may get from their employer as a commission if they successfully make their person hired. This is not the phrase to be used when negotiating a salary, as is the case for Cueball here, since it's not commission based.

The next word he says is ''Raise''. This could make sense if he already had a job, and wished to negotiate for a pay raise. But that is not the case. After this, he begins to think of raise as in a card game and starts rambling off mainly poker related terms, like raise, fold and pass. He throws in double down in between. This can also be a card game term, as in blackjack where double down means to double a bet after seeing one's initial cards, with the requirement that one additional card be drawn.

But in everyday speak, in a fairly dramatic [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=double+down&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdouble%20down%3B%2Cc0 rise in popular usage], to double down is to take a further risk in a situation or passionately re-commit one’s efforts to a cause or course of action ''despite'' clear and contrary revelations. This could make a limited amount of sense in a negotiation situation in which one is trying to establish the necessary self-worth. But of course not in Cueball's ramble, that finishes with him saying ''Fill it up with regular'', something you would say at a gas-station, where they still had an attendant to operate the pumps. Likely something Cueball has only experienced when watching old movies...or territories and states where mandated by law.

At this point Ponytail tries to ask him something. Maybe, ''Are you OK?''. But again Cueball interrupts her, saying he is sorry and that he would like to start over. At this time he takes out several sheets of paper and looks at some charts. But the charts are not clear enough, or only have a suggestion for what percentage he should ask for. He asks if he can borrow a calculator (something he would likely have on his smart phone) and then asks what's 20% of $55,000. This last bit seems like he is finally following a common advice{{Citation needed}} to take the initial offer and add 10-20%. The midpoint of that range, 115% of $55,000 would be $63,250.

Once more Ponytail tries to give Cueball some time to think, but again he interrupts, as he eventually have settled on a number, $61,333.3 He even states that the decimals of 3 should be repeating, as in forever. This is exactly $61,333⅓. He clearly states he will not take the job for less than that. The value he settles on is 11.51% larger, or exactly 184⁄165 times the original offer. A [https://hbr.org/2016/03/dont-use-round-numbers-in-a-negotiation 2016 Harvard Business School study] found that avoiding round numbers is a remarkably effective negotiation tactic.

Since this is not that much more than the starting offer Ponytail is ready to accept this and says ''Sure, $61,333 is fine.'' She is once more starting to say something, like ''That's actually a reasonable request'', or ''That's actually within our limits''. But for the fourth time Cueball interrupts her, this time almost yelling ''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'' Because what she just offered him was $1/3 less than he asked for, and thus more than a penny less.

This last outburst is just plain ridiculous as this would only lower his asking salary by 5 parts in a million. And for certain Ponytail would accept going to $61,334.{{Citation needed}}

In the title text it shows that this is not good enough. Cueball has now confused himself to the limit that he will not only not accept less than his asking salary, he will also not accept more. So when Ponytail tries to explain to him that the point 3 repeating cannot be paid in whole cents, and tries to let him know that their payroll software only can handle whole cents, and he thus can get either 0.33 or 0.34 (the latter actually being more than he asks for), he again shout out ''NO DEAL.''

Since Ponytail cannot pay him out in a number with infinite decimals (1/3, pi or any other kind){{Citation needed}}, it seems Cueball will let this job slip out of his hands, because he has completely misunderstood the concept of negotiation.

The situation could be resolved if he would be happy with an arrangement such as a leap cent every three years, but maybe Ponytail would at this point realize it was probably a mistake to hire such an easily confused person, and happily let him go.

This can be read as a cautionary tale about taking time to compose one's thoughts before responding to a situation. The confusion caused by the wad of papers also reminds us that more information does not necessarily mean more clarity.

For more interview-related xkcd comics, see for instance [[:Category:Job interviews]].

This could also be taken in series with Cueball (possibly as a stand in for Randall) misunderstanding classically "adult" ideas, see for instance [[616: Lease]], [[905: Homeownership]], [[1674: Adult]] and [[1894: Real Estate]].

==Transcript==
:[Ponytail sits in an office chair at her desk, with Cueball sitting in a similar chair on the other side with his hands on his knees. Ponytails has her hands on the desk and in front of her, there is a slim thing standing up. It could be a very small screen, but there seems to be no keyboard in front of her. Maybe it is a small tablet with a support for letting is stand up. Behind that there are what appears to be two piles of papers of different sizes.]
:Ponytail: We'd like to extend an offer! The starting salary is $55,000.
:Cueball: Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!
:Ponytail: I... Weird to phrase it like that, but-
:Cueball: ''I can do this.''

:[Zoom in on Cueball's upper half.]
:Cueball: I won't accept a penny over $50,000. Sorry, I mean under. Under $60. I mean, $600. Thousand. $600,000. I want a 15% cut of the salary. Raise. Double down. Fold. Pass. Fill it up with regular.

:[The same shot, except Cueball is now holding three pieces of paper, and he is looking down on them. Ponytail is talking to him from off-panel.]
:Ponytail (off-panel): Are you-
:Cueball: Sorry, sorry. Let me start over.
:Cueball: OK, my chart says...
:Cueball: ...Can I borrow a calculator? What's 20% of $55,000?

:[Back to the scene from the first panel. Ponytail has taken one hand down to her knee, with the other still on the desk. Cueball has put the papers on his lap and has raised his hand in the air holding one finger up. In his other hand he holds either a borrowed calculator or his own smartphone.]
:Ponytail: Listen, if you need to-
:Cueball: I won't take this job for less than $61,333 point 3 repeating!
:Ponytail: Sure, $61,333 is fine. That's actually-
:Cueball: '''''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'''''

{{comic discussion}}

[[Category:Job interviews]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]]
[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]

2597: Salary Negotiation

2022-03-25T04:27:25Z

GcGYSF(asterisk)P(vertical line)e: /* Explanation */

{{comic
| number = 2597
| date = March 23, 2022
| title = Salary Negotiation
| image = salary_negotiation.png
| titletext = "We can do 0.33 or 0.34, but our payroll software doesn't allow us to--" "NO DEAL."
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|Created by a QUATERNION SALARY INCREASE - Please change this comment when editing this page, for fun and profit. Do NOT delete this tag too soon. Sincerely, management.}}
[[Ponytail]]'s company would like to hire [[Cueball]] for a job, and she is telling him that their offer for his starting salary is $55,000.

When offered a new job, it is common to negotiate on aspects of the offer such as salary, and employers may offer below the market rate initially in the expectation that the final negotiated amount will be higher. Given that the bedrock of one's future income depends on the outcome of a one-time process requiring skills unrelated to the job one is hired for, it is advisable to take one's time and do as much research as possible.

Cueball realizes that he has ended up in this situation, but, in typical [[Randall]] fashion, he states the fact, saying out loud ''Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!'' Ponytail comments that it's a weird way to phrase it, and would then probably have continued to say, ''but that is correct.'' Cueball, however, interrupts her by stating that ''I can do this.''

Cueball has clearly done some research, but perhaps too much as he is flummoxed by this high-stakes situation and starts to ramble with decreasing coherence. First he gets completely confused about the numbers. He might have said I won't accept a penny below $60,000, starting out by putting a bit more on, letting now, that this might not even be the lowest he would accept. Instead he says he won't have a penny over $50,000, thus cutting $5000 of the initial offer, and saying he will not have more than that. He realizes this was completely wrong, and corrects to ''under'', but is still 5000 lower. Then he continues to mess up the numbers. Clearly he meant to go for $60,000, but first says $60 then $600, 1 000 and 100 times below what he wishes to say. Then adds the word ''Thousand'' after a short break, and continues to say it as one word $600,000. That is of course 10 times more than he wished to try for.

Realizing that he is completely off he asks for "15% cut of the salary". Here, Cueball seems to confuse salary and commission. "X% cut of the salary" seems like what a recruiter/headhunter may get from their employer as a commission if they successfully make their person hired. This is not the phrase to be used when negotiating a salary, as is the case for Cueball here, since it's not commission based.

The next word he says is ''Raise''. This could make sense if he already had a job, and wished to negotiate for a pay raise. But that is not the case. After this, he begins to think of raise as in a card game and starts rambling off mainly poker related terms, like raise, fold and pass. He throws in double down in between. This can also be a card game term, as in blackjack where double down means to double a bet after seeing one's initial cards, with the requirement that one additional card be drawn.

But in everyday speak, in a fairly dramatic [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=double+down&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdouble%20down%3B%2Cc0 rise in popular usage], to double down is to take a further risk in a situation or passionately re-commit one’s efforts to a cause or course of action ''despite'' clear and contrary revelations. This could make a limited amount of sense in a negotiation situation in which one is trying to establish the necessary self-worth. But of course not in Cueball's ramble, that finishes with him saying ''Fill it up with regular'', something you would say at a gas-station, where they still had an attendant to operate the pumps. Likely something Cueball has only experienced when watching old movies...or territories and states where mandated by law.

At this point Ponytail tries to ask him something. Maybe, ''Are you OK?''. But again Cueball interrupts her, saying he is sorry and that he would like to start over. At this time he takes out several sheets of paper and looks at some charts. But the charts are not clear enough, or only have a suggestion for what percentage he should ask for. He asks if he can borrow a calculator (something he would likely have on his smart phone) and then asks what's 20% of $55,000. This last bit seems like he is finally following a common advice{{Citation needed}} to take the initial offer and add 10-20%. The midpoint of that range, 115% of $55,000 would be $63,250.

Once more Ponytail tries to give Cueball some time to think, but again he interrupts, as he eventually have settled on a number, $61,333.333.... He even states that the decimals of 3 should be repeating, as in forever. This is exactly $61,333⅓. He clearly states he will not take the job for less than that. The value he settles on is 11.51515...% larger, or exactly 184⁄165 times the original offer. A [https://hbr.org/2016/03/dont-use-round-numbers-in-a-negotiation 2016 Harvard Business School study] found that avoiding round numbers is a remarkably effective negotiation tactic.

Since this is not that much more than the starting offer Ponytail is ready to accept this and says ''Sure, $61,333 is fine.'' She is once more starting to say something, like ''That's actually a reasonable request'', or ''That's actually within our limits''. But for the fourth time Cueball interrupts her, this time almost yelling ''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'' Because what she just offered him was $1/3 less than he asked for, and thus more than a penny less.

This last outburst is just plain ridiculous as this would only lower his asking salary by 5 parts in a million. And for certain Ponytail would accept going to $61,334.{{Citation needed}}

In the title text it shows that this is not good enough. Cueball has now confused himself to the limit that he will not only not accept less than his asking salary, he will also not accept more. So when Ponytail tries to explain to him that the point 3 repeating cannot be paid in whole cents, and tries to let him know that their payroll software only can handle whole cents, and he thus can get either 0.33 or 0.34 (the latter actually being more than he asks for), he again shout out ''NO DEAL.''

Since Ponytail cannot pay him out in a number with infinite decimals (1/3, pi or any other kind){{Citation needed}}, it seems Cueball will let this job slip out of his hands, because he has completely misunderstood the concept of negotiation.

The situation could be resolved if he would be happy with an arrangement such as a leap cent every three years, but maybe Ponytail would at this point realize it was probably a mistake to hire such an easily confused person, and happily let him go.

This can be read as a cautionary tale about taking time to compose one's thoughts before responding to a situation. The confusion caused by the wad of papers also reminds us that more information does not necessarily mean more clarity.

For more interview-related xkcd comics, see for instance [[:Category:Job interviews]].

This could also be taken in series with Cueball (possibly as a stand in for Randall) misunderstanding classically "adult" ideas, see for instance [[616: Lease]], [[905: Homeownership]], [[1674: Adult]] and [[1894: Real Estate]].

==Transcript==
:[Ponytail sits in an office chair at her desk, with Cueball sitting in a similar chair on the other side with his hands on his knees. Ponytails has her hands on the desk and in front of her, there is a slim thing standing up. It could be a very small screen, but there seems to be no keyboard in front of her. Maybe it is a small tablet with a support for letting is stand up. Behind that there are what appears to be two piles of papers of different sizes.]
:Ponytail: We'd like to extend an offer! The starting salary is $55,000.
:Cueball: Wow. I guess I'm inside a negotiation!
:Ponytail: I... Weird to phrase it like that, but-
:Cueball: ''I can do this.''

:[Zoom in on Cueball's upper half.]
:Cueball: I won't accept a penny over $50,000. Sorry, I mean under. Under $60. I mean, $600. Thousand. $600,000. I want a 15% cut of the salary. Raise. Double down. Fold. Pass. Fill it up with regular.

:[The same shot, except Cueball is now holding three pieces of paper, and he is looking down on them. Ponytail is talking to him from off-panel.]
:Ponytail (off-panel): Are you-
:Cueball: Sorry, sorry. Let me start over.
:Cueball: OK, my chart says...
:Cueball: ...Can I borrow a calculator? What's 20% of $55,000?

:[Back to the scene from the first panel. Ponytail has taken one hand down to her knee, with the other still on the desk. Cueball has put the papers on his lap and has raised his hand in the air holding one finger up. In his other hand he holds either a borrowed calculator or his own smartphone.]
:Ponytail: Listen, if you need to-
:Cueball: I won't take this job for less than $61,333 point 3 repeating!
:Ponytail: Sure, $61,333 is fine. That's actually-
:Cueball: '''''Point 3 repeating or I walk!'''''

{{comic discussion}}

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