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User:Dgbrt

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Maowtm: Looks like you mixed up talk page and this user page.

Hello, I am a big xkcd fan.

====My introduction as xkcd fan====
My random list of favourite Comics by Randall:
[[Combination Vision Test]],
[[Up_Goer_Five]]
and of course that tiny rover never coming home:
[[Spirit]]

====I'm ''not'' a native English speaker====
...and I don't like "typos". So much THANKS for helping on this issue or even more importantly: Wrong grammar <-I don't like these errors I don't see.

As a German native speaker I had to learn something like "Oxford English" in school, and I hated it. My knowledge about the (American, British, more...) English language mostly belongs to later experiences. International contacts, science (especially physics), programming (Randall does not know how funny are IBM's translations for German - "Copy from to" becomes in German "Copy until"), '''''AND''''' the main language on the Internet is, of course, English.

Also I was even bad on the German language sessions at school. But that's just another story.

I'm happy about corrections on my typos and grammar, but on essential content I will discuss.

Thanks to [[User: Spongebog|Spongebob]] for some smaller edits on this page. I'm still learning English... 
Thanks to [[User: Spongebog|Spongebob]] again for fixing a really damn typo...

User:Dgbrt

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See the history for more:
* [[User talk:Dgbrt/2013|2013]]
* [[User talk:Dgbrt/2014|2014]]

== Comics featuring real people ==

Hi Dgbrt. I saw that you deleted the Category: Comics featuring real people from [[1536: The Martian]]. I may tend to agree with this decision. But the "real" people in that comic was the mentioning of Matt Damon, which was why I did not delete it myself. I just made a comment about this here on the [[:Category talk:Comics featuring real people|Talk: Comics featuring real people]] page because I think people use this category in two ways. I'm not sure which way would be more correct. Shall the real-person be part of the comic or is it enough just for hem to be mentioned in the comic. In other featured people categories it is enough for them to be mentioned. See for instance [[:Category:Comics featuring James]]. Maybe that category is also wrongly used/named though? It could have been called something other than featured. (Mentioning James). I'm open for both interpretations of these categories... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

== Subsections ==

Let's go to the talk page, then. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Note that you were the one who began destroying the sections. That's violent, too. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
:Sorry, I was just working on a proper layout. Pro-Tip: Use ctrl+f ;) . And all was beginning when you were destroying my layout at the transcript. I don't agree on that. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== [[:File:land mammals.png]] ==

I would like to use it for my blog. What are the terms of use? -- Maria [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.222|162.158.114.222]] 21:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

== Making discussion pages ==

I've recently restricted page creation for new users, which means that sometimes new users can't make a discussion page. Could you make the bot make empty talk pages for new comics as well? I'll push something to your git repo soon, right after I'm done with finals. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Davidy22]], I'm sorry but mail notification didn't work. Please give me a reply here so I can see if the notification works. And tell me, if there is still a need to change the BOT. If so, it will be available by Friday. But before that I will create a comic named "dgbrtTEST" and ask you to delete it.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
::Alright, will do. The changes are probably still preferred. '''[[User:Davidy22|{{Color|#707|David}}y²²]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 19:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply, mail notification is working again. I will do the changes and let you when I've done the test.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
:::The update is done. I've done some local tests and I'm happy with this. At [https://github.com/dgbrt/explainXKCD_update github] you can see the current script with some more changes I've done in the past.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Should it already work on todays [[:Category:April fools' comics|April Fools' Day comic]]? (I'm really looking forward to that). It will be great when it does, cool that you take the time to work on the update. I have spotted a couple of times recently where someone has either [[Talk:1653: United States Map|waited in anticipation]] for the discussion page to be created, have used the explanation to [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1659:_Tire_Swing&oldid=115473 post what should have been a comment] and even once had a user [[User_talk:Kynde#Please_create_the_discussion_page_for_today.27s_comic.|writing on my talk page]] to get me to create the page for them to use. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

While I'm still waiting for the next update to give me a prove to my successful update on talk-pages, Randall gave us this April fool:
:The xkcd April 1st comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties.
:Status update: Please stand by.
:Status update: This is fine. Everything is fine.
:Status update: Everything is on fire.
:Status update: Searching for calendar systems in which Saturday is April 1st.
It seems Randall is on serious problems. But I'm happy about this honest message.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 01:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Only for my own documentation, the current schedule is this Sunday night. My BOT keeps an eye on this. Randall says:
:The Friday xkcd comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties [Editor's note: Everything is on fire] and has been delayed until Sunday night.
But since this will not be a standard comic I don't know what my BOT will do.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
::Hi Dgbrt, yes that was some kind of April Fool's joke he came up with there. But what about your bot afterwards. Seems like Davidy22 created the page for todays comic manually? Has you changes broken the bot? [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 16:27, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

==Transcript and other features==
Hi Dgbrt - hope this is not going to be TL;DR? :-)

I take further discussion on our part regarding transcript to your page, because I think we have written enough on my talk page on transcripts. If any one else will continue that discussion there that's fine, it would also be nice to have input from someone else than just us two and Zetfr.

I can see that you have been quite active this year, as compared to the last half year before (and also with a long break before that?) Will you have time to be more active from now in general? Welcome back anyway ;-) Just took a month and a half of [[User_talk:Davidy22#Wiki_continuity|complete break]] from Explain xkcd my self up until just after this New Year.

I believe we got of on a wrong foot, both long ago I think, and also just now when I was annoyed at you for writing on my page regarding transcripts (and the TL;DR comment). So I'm really happy how our [[User_talk:Kynde#Transcript_TLDR.3B|transcript discussion]] went in the end, and thanks for the last comment from earlier today. And as I said there I did not read all you refereed to before answering the first couple of times, sorry again for that.

Nice to hear from Zetfr as one who really uses the transcripts. When I first found this page it took me some time to appreciate the importance of the transcript.

I know you have much more knowledge about what's possible with computers as your [[User:DgbrtBOT|DgbrtBOT]], which is great, shows me. (And thanks for adding [[#Making discussion pages|creation of discussion pages]] to it). Also I like the way you made the [[:Category:Explain mentioned by Randall|Explain mentioned by Randall]] category. That is great. Cool that I made that happen by finding it for [[Payloads]].

Maybe we should try to write a dedicated page on what the transcript on Explain xkcd is for; who may use it for reading comics; who for understanding other parts of the comics; and why they make sense regarding searching for specific things, not necessarily mentioned in text or our explanation. Something that could be referred to when people ask about transcripts, and also to explain why we should not just use a transcription of Randall's transcript for several reasons (naming of characters for instance) and because all text should be included for normal length comics, and at least all text in the extended transcript for huge comics (this was also what Zetfr suggested). Those type of full transcripts could also be mentioned there. As well as link to explanation of Randall's own transcripts.

I have recently added lots of info on xkcd's design on the [[xkcd]] page. But it became cluttered (TL'DR :-) so I have created two new pages from that info here: [[Design of xkcd.com]] and also the [[Transcript on xkcd]] I just mentioned above. The page for "our" transcripts could thus need one called ''Transcript on Explain xkcd'' like I also mentioned above.

I think keeping track of history and deviations on the main page etc. is important and fun for some people. But of course it should be hidden away for those that search for it, and not in "your" face, when all you wish to know is what [[Chess Notation|chess win-los notation]] is.

Cheers --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

:oohh, start reading... (check timestamp)--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:...pending...
:....ready. Answering all the questions will take a little bit longer. (check timestamp) --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

For further discussions I will divide my answers to several headlines.

===dgbrt stopped posting here and only continued supporting dgbrtDOT for a proper page generation and all what belongs to this issue===
I was often annoyed when I mentioned that texting should be short as possible. Huhh, I was censoring content... Everybody can say everything... So I felt like what Randall mentioned in many comics (youtube comments, you name it...). Even many explains are TL;DR and sometimes really OFF TOPIC. And most of that content belongs to only one user: Kynde. Sorry, but now I figured out your edits did not annoy only me. This just an honest answer from me. More technical discussions shouldn't run this way; I will open separate subsections for those. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:Just like to add that I'm not the only one who writes more than other people think is needed... See the latest [[1800|comic]] and it's [[Talk:1800: Chess Notation|discussion]]. I have only added the categories for that one... I was thinking the same as those two last comments, but after reading your answers here I did not wish to join in that conversation. :/ --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

===Transcripts===
A transcript is perfect when someone who doesn't know the image is reading this ''feels'' the same as someone who simply looks at that picture. Is that possible? NO! Look at a picture showing some clouds... What do you see? The same as me? NO! Can you describe all the differences we both see? NO! So, not the cloud shape is important, it's just a cloud. If there is some importance on the shape it goes into the explain section. (I have no specific comic in mind on this). --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:14, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
===[[xkcd]] page and more===
I mentioned this to [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]]. You should talk to others here before editing those essential pages! If I've seen this by the time you edited this a simple UNDO would have been my reaction. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
===Keep it compact===
Did I miss some essentials?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Dgbrt. I have read your comments. Thanks for the input. I do not have anything specific to say at the time. Sorry you feel like this though.
:I have one question not related to the above. What happened to your new category? I can see Davidy deleted it. Sorry about that. I liked the idea. I did not have time to look at your other finds. If it is not a big trouble for you I would appreciate if you wrote the numbers on the comic here (no links needed). --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
::Hi Kynde, the reason given by Davidy22 was: "Mangled category name, and we don't make categories based on things that aren't in the comics." I wonder why the second criteria doesn't fit to the three LiveJournal categories. And I'm sure there are more "categories based on things that aren't in the comics". Nevertheless the comics are:
::*[[1571: Car Model Names]]
::*[[1555: Exoplanet Names 2]]
::*[[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]
::*[[1491: Stories of the Past and Future]]
::*[[1488: Flowcharts]]
::*[[1461: Payloads]]
::*[[1446: Landing]]
::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks Dgbrt. I think his first point is valid, but that would have been easy to fix. Maybe he just did not care to do so? I really think it is relevant, and considers posting these in the trivia of the first and linking from the others to that trivia. And on Randall's page we could make a note saying that although he has nothing personal to do with this site, he has acknowledged its existence at least seven times. Although it has not been out in the open but only behind the scenes for those who really study the comic. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
::::PS Just posted a comment to [[User_talk:Davidy22#Oversized_texting|your thread]] on Davidy's page. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== #1811 ==

Hi Dgbrt,

I was editing the page and had different views in the READ and EDIT - in the EDIT, everything was on the right place, but the page didn't fit.
I suppose there were some editing overlaps?
I'll try again tomorow.
gute Nacht :-) --[[User:LaVe|LaVe]] ([[User talk:LaVe|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your message and good night... And stay tuned, my poor Nerd Sniping victim.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

==Uploading corrected comic image files==

Dgbrt,

Thanks for helping out a newbie like me. Earlier today I attempted to upload an updated image for #1796. It didn't go as smoothly as I expected, so I hope you can tell me if I was doing it correctly.

First, I downloaded the updated png file from xkcd to my system. Then I clicked on the on-screen image to access the "File:" page, then clicked on the upload link to replace the png file with the one I downloaded. After selecting the image file and adding a short description, I uploaded the new image file. The File: page showed the new image revision in the history table, but opening the new image file from there just returned the old version, even despite me refreshing the image in my browser. Thinking I had accidentally uploaded the old version, I reverted my update. I then looked at the downloaded image file, which was the new version.

At this point, I was confused - maybe using my tablet to upload the image from my server resulted in the tablet uploading a local temp copy instead of the remote server file. So I repeated the upload from my laptop, hoping it would work correctly this time, but got the same result.

I then left a note on the Talk page for 1796 to find out if I was making some rookie mistake and left it for the time being. Now, I see that the corrected image file is being displayed. I don't know if an admin corrected the problem behind the scenes or if this is a case of caching preventing the updated image from being used until some expiration period had passed. Do you have any insight for me? --[[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 21:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry I'm late. My answer is here: [[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht talk]] --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:24, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::So it was a cache problem! Maybe the upload screen could contain a note to that effect so new uploaders like myself know to give it time. --[[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Nice idea but it's not easy to change a standard template from MediaWiki. And I don't have access to this files on the server.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Nonsense! It's trivial to edit a standard template in MediaWiki. Just edit [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]]. You can find the appropriate page to edit by going through http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AllMessages&dir=prev&offset=Userrights-unchangeable-col. Note that MediaWiki pages can only be edited by [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop sysops/bureaucrats], but they don't need login access to the server to do it. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 02:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::As I've told, I don't have access to this. I suggest you add an admin request here: [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal|Community portal]].--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 08:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::If you have a concrete suggestion for the note, please tell, I might add it then. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 19:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::Thanks [[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] for your support. The known problem is that an update for a picture will result in the same URL which is already in the cache at the server cloud. Only when that cache is expired (maybe hours - I don't know) the update will be visible. So the text could be like this:
::::::*INFORMATION FOR UPDATES: Please be patient after uploading an update. When your upload is shown in the history everything is fine but the former version is still stored in the cache and shown to everybody for a while.
::::::Any better idea?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

== Editing others' markup ==

Dgbrt: Please stop editing other people's markup and removing it, as you have so far done twice to me in [[Talk:1850:_Air_Force_Museum]]. If you think there's something wrong with boxes, perhaps that is an OK opinion to have, but please state it. Don't make unilateral changes. And where the markup has important semantic significance (as it does here!), removing it is not acceptable. You could perhaps have replaced it with something else. But removal? No. And you did not use an edit summary. That's not OK, use an edit summary to explain yourself when you are changing someone else's work. I will revert your change again. But I don't want to edit war, but it is simply untenable for you to go changing the meaning of a comment I have made on a talk page. That misrepresents my thoughts and ideas and is not OK. Stop! (p.s. above, in the other section, you made two claims. I refuted one of them, and you responded as if I had questioned the second one, which I did not. That's not a good argument style.) [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 13:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:Oh, I'm sorry. It looked like an editors error. Formatting like this is not common in a discussion section. In general bold and italic attributes are enough. Think about: Your post is not the only important one there. We also try to start a new section only with a semicolon to avoid a TOC an other side effects. And sorry again, I don't understand your "two claims" issue.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

:: Thank you. It should not have looked like an editor's error if you were paying attention. And while that reasoning might have worked the first time, it just doesn't cut it the second time. Just look at the history:

13:53, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ m . . (+1)‎ . . (Undo revision 141463 by Dgbrt (talk). No. See your talk. And use an edit summsary. And don't change other people's meanings.)
08:25, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt |talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/Dgbrt |contribs]]) ‎ . . (-1)‎ . .
01:48, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ m . . (+5,176)‎ . . (Oops. Somehow restored an old version by mistake.)
01:47, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ . . (-5,175)‎ . . (Restore markup removed by Dgbrt in 141375. Use an edit summary! The markup had meaning. Don't conflate my words with a quotation.)

:: There was no slew of intervening edits. Reversion of your change was clearly explained in the edit summary, and cited you by name and your revision by number.
:: Since you are a regular contributor here, you really should be using an edit summary every single time. I understand that the standards for wikis are relaxed here, because most editor aren't familiar with them and we want to make it easy for everybody, but you are an experienced editor so should be held to a higher standard.
:: Your comment about "your post is not the only important one there" makes no sense to me. In this case the box carries the section, and I think it served as a useful frame of reference for all the subsequent discussion. I agree boxes aren't pretty, but they're cheap and easy. If there's some local convention of appropriate markup that would serve the same semantic role, I don't object. I'm sure we could do something nice with tables, but that's a lot of unnecessary work, I think.
:: I'm aware that the wiki suggests sections should be "used sparingly." It doesn't give any guidance for that judgement. But it's disturbing to hear that you think the reason is aesthetic. That's a problem because sections have clear semantic meaning in wikis and not using them mean you cannot use semantic tools that understand them. If the feeling is that the section font is too big, the right answer is to edit the CSS and change the section font, not to say "don't use sections." Similarly for TOCs, I don't know what is wrong with a TOC, but you can suppress or move them for individual articles, or disable them globally, if that's the desired effect. Again, not a reason to not use sections.
:: On the other hand, I didn't revert your conversion from a section to a semicolon/boldface, because it didn't have a significant effect on the meaning of my words, unlike your wholesale removal of the markup around the quotation. Sorry I have gone on too long. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 19:43, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Hey, I've removed one space (at the beginning of a line) at a comment page. And I said sorry. It's OK now. And when you want to discuss layout rules please talk to the admins at the [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal|Community portal]]. It's not my invention.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Sorry it was lengthy (once space—twice!). If not your invention, is there some documentation of these rules? Your talk page is the only place I've seen them (other than "sparingly"). [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 23:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sadly there is no guide, in the past I've just adopted many from admins (not many here these days) and others. So just check some other articles, you will see chaos but also a recurring layout. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 00:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

List of all comics (1501-2000)

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This is the list of comics from '''1501 to {{LATESTCOMIC}}'''.
:For the first 500 comics, see [[List of all comics (1-500)]].
:For comics 501-1000, see [[List of all comics (501-1000)]].
:For comics 1001-1500, see [[List of all comics (1001-1500)]].
: The whole list is available at [[List of all comics (full)]].

{| class="wikitable sortable plainlinks table-padding"
|-
!xkcd
!Title
!Talk
!Image
!Date<onlyinclude>
{{comicsrow|1854|2017-06-23|Refresh Types|refresh types.png}}
{{comicsrow|1853|2017-06-21|Once Per Day|once per day.png}}
{{comicsrow|1852|2017-06-19|Election Map|election map.png}}
{{comicsrow|1851|2017-06-16|Magnetohydrodynamics|magnetohydrodynamics.png}}
{{comicsrow|1850|2017-06-14|Air Force Museum|air force museum.png}}
{{comicsrow|1849|2017-06-12|Decades|decades.png}}
{{comicsrow|1848|2017-06-09|Glacial Erratic|glacial erratic.png}}
{{comicsrow|1847|2017-06-07|Dubious Study|dubious study.png}}
{{comicsrow|1846|2017-06-05|Drone Problems|drone problems.png}}
{{comicsrow|1845|2017-06-02|State Word Map|state word map.png}}
{{comicsrow|1844|2017-05-31|Voting Systems|voting systems.png}}
{{comicsrow|1843|2017-05-29|Opening Crawl|opening crawl.png}}
{{comicsrow|1842|2017-05-26|Anti-Drone Eagles|anti drone eagles.png}}
{{comicsrow|1841|2017-05-24|Who?|who.png}}
{{comicsrow|1840|2017-05-22|Genetic Testing Results|genetic testing results.png}}
{{comicsrow|1839|2017-05-19|Doctor Visit|doctor visit.png}}
{{comicsrow|1838|2017-05-17|Machine Learning|machine learning.png}}
{{comicsrow|1837|2017-05-15|Rental Car|rental car.png}}
{{comicsrow|1836|2017-05-12|Okeanos|okeanos.png}}
{{comicsrow|1835|2017-05-10|Random Obsessions}}
{{comicsrow|1834|2017-05-08|Lunch Order}}
{{comicsrow|1833|2017-05-05|Code Quality 3|code quality 3.png}}
{{comicsrow|1832|2017-05-03|Photo Library Management|photo library management.png}}
{{comicsrow|1831|2017-05-01|Here to Help|here to help.png}}
{{comicsrow|1830|2017-04-28|ISS Solar Transit 2|iss solar transit 2.png}}
{{comicsrow|1829|2017-04-26|Geochronology|geochronology.png}}
{{comicsrow|1828|2017-04-24|ISS Solar Transit|iss solar transit.png}}
{{comicsrow|1827|2017-04-21|Survivorship Bias|survivorship bias.png}}
{{comicsrow|1826|2017-04-19|Birdwatching|birdwatching huge.png}}
{{comicsrow|1825|2017-04-17|7 Eleven|7 eleven.png}}
{{comicsrow|1824|2017-04-14|Identification Chart|identification chart.png}}
{{comicsrow|1823|2017-04-12|Hottest Editors|hottest editors.png}}
{{comicsrow|1822|2017-04-10|Existential Bug Reports|existential bug reports.png}}
{{comicsrow|1821|2017-04-07|Incinerator|incinerator.png}}
{{comicsrow|1820|2017-04-05|Security Advice|security advice.png}}
{{comicsrow|1819|2017-04-03|Sweet 16|sweet 16.png}}
{{comicsrow|1818|2017-03-31|Rayleigh Scattering|rayleigh scattering.png}}
{{comicsrow|1817|2017-03-29|Incognito Mode|incognito mode.png}}
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{{comic
| number = 1731
| date = September 9, 2016
| title = Wrong
| image = wrong.png
| titletext = Hang on, I just remembered another thing I'm right about. See...
}}

==Explanation==
{{incomplete|More on White Hat's new theory from the last panel. The abstraction of the particle idea not explained.}}

All objects on Earth are matter, meaning they are made of {{w|Atom|atoms}}, which are specifically '''not''' made up of {{w|antimatter}}. Atoms, while once (when they were named) believed to be the smallest unit of matter, are now known to be made up of {{w|Proton|protons}}, {{w|Neutron|neutrons}} and {{w|Electron|electrons}}. Protons and neutrons are in turn made up of {{w|Quark|quarks}}. Quarks come in six different "{{w|Flavour (particle physics)|flavors}}" (up, down, top, bottom, charm, and strange), with protons and neutrons being made of the first two types. Each flavour also has a corresponding flavour of the quark's {{w|Antiparticle|antiparticle}}, an antiquark, which would make up antiprotons and antineutrons.

[[White Hat]] and [[Megan]] appear to be discussing the topics of {{w|Antimatter|antimatter}} and subatomic particles. White Hat makes the assertion that we (referring to people and objects) are made partially of antimatter, because, as he claims, a proton (one of the particles which makes up all matter) is made of two quarks and an antiquark. In fact, protons are made up of two up quarks and a down quark. He is making the simple mistake of mixing up the difference between "up" and "down" flavors of quarks (which in some ways are "opposite" flavours of quarks) with the difference between particles and antiparticles. He continues to elaborate on his idea by mentioning neutrons, which are made of two down quarks and an up quark (which he incorrectly reasons as two antiquarks and a quark).

(White Hat may have incorrectly remembered that, while the valence quarks in a proton are all matter, quantum field theory says that protons also contain an indefinite number of "virtual" anti-quarks, quarks, and gluons. See this video ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraNu_78sCwv What are Quarks?]'' about this. His final comment could be referring to the ontological debate over whether virtual particles are in some sense real or only an artifact of perturbation theory.)

When Megan (accurately) doubts his claim, White Hat takes out his smartphone to look it up, in order to show Megan that he is correct. However, upon researching online, he realizes that he was, in fact, '''wrong''' (hence the title of the comic). Not wanting to admit being incorrect or yield his position in the discussion, he convinces himself that he wasn't actually wrong, as depicted by his mentally erasing the realization that he was wrong. Instead, he completely changes the topic to try and re-frame it so that he is not wrong. In this case, he circles back and criticises the entire scientific concept of "particles". Presumably he will go on to explain how scientists are wrong and how he remains correct that humans are made up, in part, of anti-matter.

It is rather common to be unwilling to admit fault (the whole topic of this comic) and to instead try to maintain an air of infallibility and intelligence. Some people are just too prideful to admit that they are inherently fallible. White Hat is one of those people, as depicted in several of his earlier appearances (see [[#Trivia|trivia section]]). [[Randall]] uses this comic to criticize people who are unable to put aside their ego and re-assess what they know in the face of empirical data. Such thinking flies directly against scientific rigor (adding an extra layer of irony to the situation, since White Hat and Megan are discussing a ''scientific'' topic). This method had already been called ''wrong'' in [[803: Airfoil]].

White Hat's new topic, where he can be right, includes the {{w|Quantum field theory}}, a very complicated field, which it is likely Megan is not well versed in (inferred by the fact that she was not quite sure about the anti-quarks). So he may be raising the topic because he believes she will not understand it sufficiently to refute his correctness. Megan, however, recognizes exactly what he is trying to do, and can only sigh in response to his failed efforts. In {{w|Quantum field theory|QFT}} particles are often described as {{w|Resonance (particle physics)|resonances}} or {{w|excited state|excited states}} of the underlying physical field, in the same way as photons may be thought of as excitations in the electromagnetic field; in this way White Hat appears to be dismissing his earlier errors by implying that particles are merely an effect of something more complex, of which he can demonstrate his knowledge.

In the title text, White Hat just remembers another thing he's right about. This shows that he is not interested in a discussion on the merits of a topic, but instead is seeking only recognition and validation for being right. This bears some similarity to [[386: Duty Calls]], in which [[Cueball]] stays up late correcting someone on the Internet.

==Transcript==
:[White Hat is walking beside Megan, index finger extended]
:White Hat: Really, we're all made of antimatter. A proton consists of two quarks and an antiquark.
:Megan: ...I don't think that's right.

:[White Hat stops to take out his smartphone tapping on it. Megan stops and turns towards him.]
:White Hat: Sure it is. Neutrons are, too.
:Megan: Do you mean "up" and "down" quarks? I think antiquarks are a different thing.
:White Hat: No, let me show you...
:Tap
:Tap

:[Zooming in on White Hat's head, while he is holding his phone up looking at it. He is thinking as shown with a bubbly thought bubble.]
:White Hat (thinking): I'm...wrong?

:[White Hat has lowered the phone. He is still thinking the same but the text has been scribbled out.]
:White Hat (thinking): I'm...wrong?

:[White Hat purges the thought from his mind]
:White Hat (thinking): ...

:[Similar setting as in the first panel, but in a full row wide panel, and White Hat is still holding his smartphone]
:White Hat: Really, the whole idea of "particles" is inaccurate. These are abstractions arising from quantum field theory, but what most people don't realize is...
:Megan: *Sigh*

==Trivia==
*This comic could be seen as a follow up to [[1605: DNA]]. Going back through the last White Hat appearances it turns out that DNA, 13 White Hat comics back, is actually the last where White Hat has been the fall guy. For instance he has the opposite role in [[1640: Super Bowl Context]], and he is not "the stupid guy" in the comics between that and this one, but often just another guy than Cueball. Further back in [[1255: Columbus]] he was again the fall guy, and again it reminds a bit about this comic. Actually Megan even begins that comic with a *sigh* like she finished this one.
*Quarks are also referenced in [[1418: Horse]], [[1621: Fixion]] and the first time they were mentioned, in [[474: Turn-On]], all six flavors were also mentioned.
*Antimatter is also referenced in [[683: Science Montage]], [[826: Guest Week: Zach Weiner (SMBC)]] and [[1621: Fixion]] as well as being the subject of the [[what if?]] ''{{what if|114|Antimatter}}''. It was also mentioned in another ''what if?'': ''{{what if|79|Lake Tea}}''.
*A similar thought process where earlier thoughts are scribbled out was used by Cueball in [[1650: Baby]], but for different reasons.

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