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This makes me think of my profession (software engineer) - Normie: "Oh wow, that looks complicated!" Me: wires two pre-existing libraries together and calls it a day [[User:Baldrickk|Baldrickk]] ([[User talk:Baldrickk|talk]]) 09:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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;Image of Blackboard<br />
I was looking at the blackboard and was wondering if there were any Easter eggs on it.<br />
Here is the result of my badly cropped photoshopping skills.<br />
[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kGCrQehNGksE2cSK1WvTJcgdwaZ5cdWe]<br />
idk if it would help to sharpen the image.<br />
--[[User:DarkAndromeda31|DarkAndromeda31]] ([[User talk:DarkAndromeda31|talk]]) 01:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:The only thing that really jumps out at me are the wedges, as portions of pie charts where radius also controls area, evoking the {{w|climate stabilization wedge}} game [https://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/game from Princeton] where the total area of the disk needing to be mitigated is something like 38 gigatons of atmospheric carbon, and the various mitigation solutions have angles representing potential and radius indicating uptake, the proportion of which represents gigatons mitigated as the wedge area. We can offer that game as an example of a bivariate optimization problem which might not have to be manually solved by anyone, if we assume that the local market for [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ritJrcDKyXNe4Kp2dHBWiFuyBEHvn_81/view surplus potable water, carbon-neutral liquid transportation fuel, and carbon-negative composite lumber for centuries-to-millenia scale sequestration along with wood timber displacement for reforestation] represents locally satisfiable economic demand for N shipping containers of [https://x.company/projects/foghorn Project Foghorn] [https://www.docdroid.net/WlkWabq/ioc-part-1-prototype-article-in-press.pdf plants] and M shipping containers of [https://www.docdroid.net/SRxC3bd/power-to-gas-efficiency.pdf power-to-gas upgrades for natural gas] power plants. That's an example of how a locally market-driven system can solve a bivariate optimization without anyone doing the actual math work in a spreadsheet or otherwise. The economic solution is not necessarily optimal, because even [https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1118030378747351040 as powerful as the free market can be,] it isn't necessarily going to find the bivariate optimums for every point on the planet (although it will likely converge asymptotically in some sense) and defectors such as fossil fuel producers are interested in delaying the optimum solution. <br />
:Is that nontangential enough? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.143.18|172.68.143.18]] 20:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Yes that was far out :-) I'm sure there is nothing interesting hidden in the image. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:36, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::Compare the graph at [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=World+natural+gas+production] with that at [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=World+wind+power+production]. When will the latter overtake the former? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.221|172.68.142.221]] 19:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::Soon one may hope, but that has nothing to do with the drawings on the blackboard...? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::"Soon" lacks mathematical precision. How do you feel about {{w|distributed constraint optimization}}? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.83|172.68.142.83]] 22:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::P.S. I would also point out that this comic appeared during the [https://globalclimatestrike.net/ Global Climate Strike] so I stand by my interpretation of the wedges. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.136|162.158.255.136]] 19:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Does [https://www.wolframalpha.com/ Wolfram Alpha] constitute such a problem solver? Cause both Randall and this site has used it on several occasions. But I have not ever really used such things, and do not know if Wolfram can be used as Cueball thinks about in the comic. But if it could, it could be worth mentioning as a method sometimes used by Randall. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:43, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:[https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%2By%3D10%2C+x-y%3D4&lk=3] is the first bivariate system of equations example. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.134|172.69.22.134]] 17:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Is that then a yes to my question? ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::Do you think it's more worthwhile to include a general discussion of avoiding the work of solving for two unknowns than the climate wedges? Why do you suggest that the wedges aren't the only distinctive elements on the blackboard? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.83|172.68.142.83]] 22:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I only just now noticed that Randall always puts the crossbars on the I in the word "I" and not otherwise. Looking back, he has nearly always done this, even since the first few comics. That's quite a principled yet subtle stance on letterforms. (There are some exceptions, however, such as comic #87, and a period that goes at least from comic #128 to comic #180. I wonder if it would be too typography-nerdy to put them all in a category.) [[Special:Contributions/198.41.231.85|198.41.231.85]] 14:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Those "crossbars" would be serifs, whereas he normally uses a sans serif font. A sans serif would be quicker/easier to write by hand, but he probably realized early on (perhaps subconsciously) that an I by itself without serifs looks too much like a random line or a numeral 1 so he treats the solo I like a special letter, with serifs. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 15:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Yes so not something for a category! But funny detail. I have no idea where to put this? Maybe in some part of the format of xkcd? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, person who sees beauty in grammar (Jkrstrt). I thought something looked off when I said "often site the beauty they see" but I didn't catch it until you sighted the error and made it cite instead. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 15:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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We need something about the [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22they%20did%20the%20math%22 2014 popularity spike of the phrase "They did the math"] with a link to e.g. r/theydidthemath. And ask the Hashtag Research Studies group to figure out the cause of that spike. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.19|172.68.189.19]] 15:29, 29 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:This has got to be [https://imgur.com/gallery/qpWueVf somehow related to xkcd.] But how? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.19|172.68.189.19]] 20:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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In other olds, [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=they+did+the+math&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1980&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cthey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bthey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BThey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0 Google Books says it started in 1988] but won't show me the 1988 book in question. I'm going to work on the drone fishing now. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.136|162.158.255.136]] 05:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletions ==<br />
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I feel that [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2207:_Math_Work&diff=182511&oldid=180894 these deletions] were done without sufficient discussion of the rationales for the material given above, leaving the explanation shorter than that of almost all if not all other comics. Whatever you think of the climate change distributed optimization example, there were no objections to the well-documented "they did the math" popularity surge or to the academic references deleted. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 01:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:How was that even related to the content of the comic? --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 07:14, 22 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Which? The two wedges involving an optimization problem in two variables on Climate Strike Week (a strike being an intentional avoidance of work), or the phrase "They did the math" in relation to "Math work"? <br />
::I intend to replace the deleted material. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 05:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2235:_Group_Chat_Rules&diff=1840432235: Group Chat Rules2019-12-03T05:24:49Z<p>172.69.22.68: /* Explanation */ as per discussion</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 2235<br />
| date = November 29, 2019<br />
| title = Group Chat Rules<br />
| image = group_chat_rules.png<br />
| titletext = There's no group chat member more enigmatic than the cool person who you all assume has the chat on mute, but who then instantly chimes in with no delay the moment something relevant to them is mentioned.<br />
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==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Title text still requires an explination. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
In this comic Randall is outlining the rules of a group chat, such as {{w|Internet Relay Chat}} (IRC), {{w|Slack (software)|Slack}}, {{w|Discord (software)|Discord}}, {{w|WeChat}}, {{w|Discourse (software)|Discourse}}, and the like. <br />
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1. '''Once you've sent a typing notification, you have to say ''something,'' c'mon.'''<br />
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Typing notification, often called a "typing awareness indicator," is a feature of some instant messaging systems, showing a message such as "Typing..." with the typer's name to the other participants, causing them in many cases to wait to receive the message before typing something of their own. When the typer stops without sending anything, this can seem anticlimactic and potentially disruptive if it recurs. Randall's rule is that you must say something once you've started typing, to avoid the awkwardness of awaiting a person's reply. See also [[1886: Typing Notifications]].<br />
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2. '''Show you care by trimming the tracking junk off links you paste.'''<br />
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Some URL links may have tracking information attached to the end of them, to show the origin of the URL and other information. {{w|UTM parameters}} are an example of URL parameters (the part of a URL starting with a question mark) which are used to track utilization of the URL from one user to another. Many news and marketing-related websites include such tracking codes with any visit to one of their web pages in an attempt to see the source of the URL for subsequent visits. Many people consider this a violation of privacy as well as a source of clutter, and make an effort to remove the parameters from URLs when they are not necessary for obtaining the requested content. For example, [https://www.dyson.com/sticks/dyson-v8-absolute-nickel-iron.html?ranMID=36310&ranEAID=lw9MynSeamY&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-w42lWd1QYp3RrUefCg_osA&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-w42lWd1QYp3RrUefCg_osA&utm_source=Slickdeals+LLC&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=us_en__na__na__na__purchase&utm_term=&utm_content=rakuten_1&dclid=CjkKEQiAt_PuBRC2vOSG5pnYqN0BEiQATx34W-U3rsbKLg-BO9ep4IJKz6JxmZrHTqS7JKmZqSrWmKLw_wcB&ranMID=36310&ranEAID=lw9MynSeamY&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-z5miuzSsmyWevVXB._R14g&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-z5miuzSsmyWevVXB._R14g&utm_source=Slickdeals+LLC&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=us_en__na__na__na__purchase&utm_term=&utm_content=rakuten_1 this url] has a lot of tracking information to show that it was originally accessed from Slickdeals, which can be removed to produce [https://www.dyson.com/sticks/dyson-v8-absolute-nickel-iron.html a much shorter URL] for the same web page. Randall asks the users of group chat to politely remove the tracking code, though other parameters may be involved in an important non-tracking way (such as the lat, lon and zoom level giving the focus of a Google Map link) and it isn't always obvious which parts are which - or both tied together!<br />
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3. '''Do not talk about ''Fight Club'' (1999).'''<br />
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This is a reference to the 1999 film ''{{w|Fight Club}}'', where the main character forms an eponymous "Fight Club," an underground club for men to fight recreationally. In [http://www.diggingforfire.net/FightClub/ the rules for Fight Club] the first and second "rules" are "You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.", which Randall parodies in this comic, by making a rule to not talk about the film ''Fight Club'' and placing this rule third in the list. See also [[922: Fight Club]] and [[109: Spoiler Alert]].<br />
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4. '''There are two types of chats: those with a relevant group name, and those where the name is random nonsense that changes regularly. Only the second kind are good.'''<br />
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Some group chats frequently change the name of their title or the names of their channels, for example to reference upcoming events or inside jokes, or to reflect the topic of the current conversation. Often, these names do not get changed back until someone decides to change it to a new inside joke/etc. Randall claims that those are the only good kind, compared to those that never change group names, perhaps implying a singular focus is less interesting than a dynamic chat that often changes names.<br />
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5. '''When mentioning it elsewhere, always just refer to it as "the group chat" to create an aura of exclusive mystery.'''<br />
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Many people have to deal with several kinds of group chat in the same organization, so referring to "the group chat" within such an organization may be confusingly ambiguous. Also, calling a chat "the group chat" can serve to exclude those who don't already know about it.<br />
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6. '''Robert's Rules of Order are optional but encouraged.'''<br />
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''{{w|Robert's Rules of Order}}'' are one of the authoritative codifications of {{w|parliamentary procedure}} used to formalize decision-making in organizations required to document their activities such as governments and sometimes civic organizations and corporations. While people required to use ''Robert's Rules'' might use group chat to plan their {{w|Agenda (meeting)|agenda}} — even going so far as to prepare a {{w|pro forma}} script for a meeting in accordance with parliamentary procedure which represents their positions and deliberations in advance — and to compose, revise, and approve their {{w|minutes}}, it is unlikely that group chat participants would follow ''Robert's Rules'' prior to their formal meeting.<br />
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7. '''Periodically part of the group will split off to form a new chat with everyone minus one person. This is how group chats reproduce; don't draw attention to it.'''<br />
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Some people who use group chat too frequently or for unimportant messages or both will cause their colleagues to attempt to achieve greater productivity by excluding them from an alternate chat, from which notifications, for example, are less annoying and more useful. Alternatively, a person could be excluded from a chat to hide things from them, such as to plan a surprise for them, or because that one person has been disruptive or annoying to the point that everyone else wants to continue the conversation without their continued input. It appears that the chat is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarming_(honey_bee) honey bee hive reproducing by swarming]. When purposely excluding someone by creating a new group, you would probably not want them to know you have done so as they might otherwise attempt to re-join in the new chat; that's likely the real reason one should not talk about or draw attention to the fact that it happened.<br />
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8. '''Since there's no algorithmic feed, the responsibility for injecting lots of garbage no one asked for falls on you.'''<br />
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Tools such as {{w|IFTTT}} and {{w|IRC bot}}s (or "bots" in this context) are used to provide group chat channels with information automatically taken from external sources of various sorts, such as emails to a support address or commits to source code control systems. Randall suggests that when such algorithmically-provided information is not available, it is incumbent upon chat participants to provide sufficiently verbose replacements. The "algorithmic feed" may also refer to the newsfeed type of systems that Facebook or other social networking sites use, to order posts for a user to view.<br />
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9. '''The enumeration, in these rules, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.'''<br />
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This is a reference to the {{w|Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution}}, which entitles people to rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Per Wikipedia, this right was included because "future generations might argue that, because a certain right was not listed in the Bill of Rights, it did not exist." The Ninth Amendment was also referenced in [[1998: GDPR]].<br />
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10. '''Sorry about all the notifications.'''<br />
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Here, Randall apologizes for all the notifications for the messages sent in group chat. Group chat features often result in more notifications than designers of notification systems anticipated or intended. If each of these ten rules were sent as a separate message in group chat, they might likely end with such an apology.<br />
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The title text is a reference to [http://doctoraaron.tripod.com/orbitz/kibo.html James "Kibo" Parry],{{fact}} who in the late 1980s to early 1990s responded on USEnet to any mention of his name. It expresses appreciation for group chat participants who remain silent except for promptly replying on topics pertinent to them.<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
:[Title at the top of the comic]:<br />
: Rules for this group chat<br />
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:[A numbered list of 10 rules]:<br />
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# Once you've sent a typing notification, you have to say ''something,'' c'mon.<br />
# Show you care by trimming the tracking junk off links you paste.<br />
# Do not talk about ''Fight Club'' (1999).<br />
# There are two types of chats: those with a relevant group name, and those where the name is random nonsense that changes regularly. Only the second kind are good.<br />
# When mentioning it elsewhere, always just refer to it as "the group chat" to create an aura of exclusive mystery.<br />
# Robert's Rules of Order are optional but encouraged.<br />
# Periodically part of the group will split off to form a new chat with everyone minus one person. This is how group chats reproduce; don't draw attention to it.<br />
# Since there's no algorithmic feed, the responsibility for injecting lots of garbage no one asked for falls on you.<br />
# The enumeration, in these rules, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.<br />
# Sorry about all the notifications.<br />
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== 5884 × 9286 pixel image?? ==<br />
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When I open this page (https://xkcd.com/2235, in case there's any confusion), I get an enormous image that bleeds far past the right and bottom of the page. Turns out that the image is 5884 × 9286 pixels. Has this been seen before? -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 19:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Looks like Randall must have uploaded the wrong image size. I assume he'll fix the comic shortly. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.211.52|172.68.211.52]] 19:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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11) I don't care if any generalised 'group chat' software does newest-first or oldest-first as default (and if you can resort to the other order, most-upticked, or whatever) but if it allows inclusion of prior comments, please ''DO NOT ENCOURAGE TOP-POSTING'', particularly when reply-pyramids can carelessly form with recless abandon, and often beyond the "this post is too long, click here to expand" point you often get. - Honestly, I just think a dose of more widespread peer-directed Usenet Netiquette (pre-Eternal September, definitely pre-Outlook Express) could do a lot of people good as well. Randomly split people up into 1990-ish sized cohorts for a 'training period' of socialisation until they can safely 'graduate' to the globally undelineated cohort. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.110|162.158.155.110]] 20:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Ok boomer, I'll be off your lawn in a moment. In the mean time I think there's a cloud up there which can't hear you. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.122|172.69.22.122]] 20:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, as long as IP_ADDRESS started an ancient flamewar (top vs bottom posting), how about using vi vs emacs when editing your chat stream? Also should we have a Designated Hitter or not? [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 13:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Anyone got any ideas about (4)? The only group chat I know of which constantly changes their group names to different random nonsense is the Chapo Trap House Discord. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.122|172.69.22.122]] 20:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: This might just be something that he has experienced personally. All of the large group chats of which I've been a member have exhibited this behavior. In fact, I thought it was pretty weird that no one on here had heard of this before. I related to it immediately. [[User:Moosenonny10|Moosenonny10]] ([[User talk:Moosenonny10|talk]]) 23:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
::If there is a public example please add it. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 23:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
In my experience, constantly changing irrelevant chat names is a behaviour of chats with large numbers of messages and nothing ever being important or relevant - the kind where noone needs a bot because the posters are already spamming enough irrelevant stuff. So for me, it fits well with the rest of the list.<br />
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Does anyone think that (10) means that all of the rules were sent as separate messages and the last one's just an apology for doing that? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.83|172.69.63.83]] 22:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Good call. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.244|162.158.255.244]] 22:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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The initial explanation for 8 doesn’t seem right - the given examples of email notifications and source code commits are by definition not “junk that nobody asked for” (since such integrations require intentional setup) and are “algorithmically generated” only in a strictly literal sense. To me this is clearly a reference to social media platforms. [[Special:Contributions/188.114.111.151|188.114.111.151]] 08:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Absolutely agree that it is talking about Facebook/Twitter and the "newsfeed" style random crap you might find interesting [[Special:Contributions/172.68.242.16|172.68.242.16]] 12:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Occasionally I can see that my typing indicator has triggered without me actually typing anything, which is disconcerting, as I then feel obliged to type something... --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.93|162.158.158.93]] 10:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I was amused by “Alternatively, a person could be excluded from a chat to hide things from them, such as to plan a surprise for them.” By my estimation, one person is suddenly excluded from a group chat “to plan a surprise for them” approximately .2% of the time. The other 99.8% of the time, it is to gossip about that person. [[User:Miamiclay|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay|talk]]) 18:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I am strongly opposed to the implication that the Ninth Amendment does not reasonably apply to any list of rules. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 05:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I think number 5 may refer to the TV show commmunity, since in the series, the main characters participated in a "study group", same generic name. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.173|108.162.212.173]] 15:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2235:_Group_Chat_Rules&diff=184041Talk:2235: Group Chat Rules2019-12-03T05:23:20Z<p>172.69.22.68: respondamundo</p>
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== 5884 × 9286 pixel image?? ==<br />
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When I open this page (https://xkcd.com/2235, in case there's any confusion), I get an enormous image that bleeds far past the right and bottom of the page. Turns out that the image is 5884 × 9286 pixels. Has this been seen before? -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 19:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Looks like Randall must have uploaded the wrong image size. I assume he'll fix the comic shortly. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.211.52|172.68.211.52]] 19:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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11) I don't care if any generalised 'group chat' software does newest-first or oldest-first as default (and if you can resort to the other order, most-upticked, or whatever) but if it allows inclusion of prior comments, please ''DO NOT ENCOURAGE TOP-POSTING'', particularly when reply-pyramids can carelessly form with recless abandon, and often beyond the "this post is too long, click here to expand" point you often get. - Honestly, I just think a dose of more widespread peer-directed Usenet Netiquette (pre-Eternal September, definitely pre-Outlook Express) could do a lot of people good as well. Randomly split people up into 1990-ish sized cohorts for a 'training period' of socialisation until they can safely 'graduate' to the globally undelineated cohort. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.110|162.158.155.110]] 20:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Ok boomer, I'll be off your lawn in a moment. In the mean time I think there's a cloud up there which can't hear you. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.122|172.69.22.122]] 20:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, as long as IP_ADDRESS started an ancient flamewar (top vs bottom posting), how about using vi vs emacs when editing your chat stream? Also should we have a Designated Hitter or not? [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 13:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Anyone got any ideas about (4)? The only group chat I know of which constantly changes their group names to different random nonsense is the Chapo Trap House Discord. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.122|172.69.22.122]] 20:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: This might just be something that he has experienced personally. All of the large group chats of which I've been a member have exhibited this behavior. In fact, I thought it was pretty weird that no one on here had heard of this before. I related to it immediately. [[User:Moosenonny10|Moosenonny10]] ([[User talk:Moosenonny10|talk]]) 23:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
::If there is a public example please add it. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 23:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
In my experience, constantly changing irrelevant chat names is a behaviour of chats with large numbers of messages and nothing ever being important or relevant - the kind where noone needs a bot because the posters are already spamming enough irrelevant stuff. So for me, it fits well with the rest of the list.<br />
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Does anyone think that (10) means that all of the rules were sent as separate messages and the last one's just an apology for doing that? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.83|172.69.63.83]] 22:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Good call. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.244|162.158.255.244]] 22:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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The initial explanation for 8 doesn’t seem right - the given examples of email notifications and source code commits are by definition not “junk that nobody asked for” (since such integrations require intentional setup) and are “algorithmically generated” only in a strictly literal sense. To me this is clearly a reference to social media platforms. [[Special:Contributions/188.114.111.151|188.114.111.151]] 08:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Absolutely agree that it is talking about Facebook/Twitter and the "newsfeed" style random crap you might find interesting [[Special:Contributions/172.68.242.16|172.68.242.16]] 12:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Occasionally I can see that my typing indicator has triggered without me actually typing anything, which is disconcerting, as I then feel obliged to type something... --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.93|162.158.158.93]] 10:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I was amused by “Alternatively, a person could be excluded from a chat to hide things from them, such as to plan a surprise for them.” By my estimation, one person is suddenly excluded from a group chat “to plan a surprise for them” approximately .2% of the time. The other 99.8% of the time, it is to gossip about that person. [[User:Miamiclay|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay|talk]]) 18:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I am slightly opposed to the implication that the Ninth Amendment does not reasonably apply to any list of rules. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 05:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I think number 5 may refer to the TV show commmunity, since in the series, the main characters participated in a "study group", same generic name. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.173|108.162.212.173]] 15:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2236:_Is_it_Christmas%3F&diff=184028Talk:2236: Is it Christmas?2019-12-02T22:20:59Z<p>172.69.22.68: </p>
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according Wayback Machine, the site [https://web.archive.org/web/20181225014549/https://isitchristmas.com/ still] [https://web.archive.org/web/20171225032723/https://isitchristmas.com/ says] [https://web.archive.org/web/20161209052757/https://isitchristmas.com/ NO] [https://web.archive.org/web/20151225060146/https://isitchristmas.com/ even] on Christmas. --[[User:Valepert|valepert]] ([[User talk:Valepert|talk]]) 21:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, maybe it will be fixed this year. I imagine everybody spammed the guy on twitter when it didnt work last year. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 22:06, 2 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:; It checks your system time<br />
:It uses the <code>new Date()</code> constructor to check whether it is Christmas, which uses your system time. Thus, the Wayback won't get anything, but changing your system time will. Kay? [[User:Jacky720|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720|contribs]]) 22:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Okay so looking at isitchristmas.com, there's a comment at the top of the page saying to look at the console, but I don't see anything in there, anyone know what that might be about? Also at the bottom of the html file, the bottommost <script> tag looks like it might contain code for a chat client? I don't know JS so I'm unsure, but I tried changing all the related "false" values to "true" that looked relevant and nothing happened, so idk. Maybe someone else can figure it out. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 22:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2207:_Math_Work&diff=183358Talk:2207: Math Work2019-11-22T01:16:44Z<p>172.69.22.68: /* Deletions */ new section</p>
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This makes me think of my profession (software engineer) - Normie: "Oh wow, that looks complicated!" Me: wires two pre-existing libraries together and calls it a day [[User:Baldrickk|Baldrickk]] ([[User talk:Baldrickk|talk]]) 09:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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;Image of Blackboard<br />
I was looking at the blackboard and was wondering if there were any Easter eggs on it.<br />
Here is the result of my badly cropped photoshopping skills.<br />
[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kGCrQehNGksE2cSK1WvTJcgdwaZ5cdWe]<br />
idk if it would help to sharpen the image.<br />
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:The only thing that really jumps out at me are the wedges, as portions of pie charts where radius also controls area, evoking the {{w|climate stabilization wedge}} game [https://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/game from Princeton] where the total area of the disk needing to be mitigated is something like 38 gigatons of atmospheric carbon, and the various mitigation solutions have angles representing potential and radius indicating uptake, the proportion of which represents gigatons mitigated as the wedge area. We can offer that game as an example of a bivariate optimization problem which might not have to be manually solved by anyone, if we assume that the local market for [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ritJrcDKyXNe4Kp2dHBWiFuyBEHvn_81/view surplus potable water, carbon-neutral liquid transportation fuel, and carbon-negative composite lumber for centuries-to-millenia scale sequestration along with wood timber displacement for reforestation] represents locally satisfiable economic demand for N shipping containers of [https://x.company/projects/foghorn Project Foghorn] [https://www.docdroid.net/WlkWabq/ioc-part-1-prototype-article-in-press.pdf plants] and M shipping containers of [https://www.docdroid.net/SRxC3bd/power-to-gas-efficiency.pdf power-to-gas upgrades for natural gas] power plants. That's an example of how a locally market-driven system can solve a bivariate optimization without anyone doing the actual math work in a spreadsheet or otherwise. The economic solution is not necessarily optimal, because even [https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1118030378747351040 as powerful as the free market can be,] it isn't necessarily going to find the bivariate optimums for every point on the planet (although it will likely converge asymptotically in some sense) and defectors such as fossil fuel producers are interested in delaying the optimum solution. <br />
:Is that nontangential enough? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.143.18|172.68.143.18]] 20:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Yes that was far out :-) I'm sure there is nothing interesting hidden in the image. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:36, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::Compare the graph at [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=World+natural+gas+production] with that at [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=World+wind+power+production]. When will the latter overtake the former? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.221|172.68.142.221]] 19:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::Soon one may hope, but that has nothing to do with the drawings on the blackboard...? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::"Soon" lacks mathematical precision. How do you feel about {{w|distributed constraint optimization}}? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.83|172.68.142.83]] 22:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::P.S. I would also point out that this comic appeared during the [https://globalclimatestrike.net/ Global Climate Strike] so I stand by my interpretation of the wedges. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.136|162.158.255.136]] 19:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Does [https://www.wolframalpha.com/ Wolfram Alpha] constitute such a problem solver? Cause both Randall and this site has used it on several occasions. But I have not ever really used such things, and do not know if Wolfram can be used as Cueball thinks about in the comic. But if it could, it could be worth mentioning as a method sometimes used by Randall. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:43, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:[https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%2By%3D10%2C+x-y%3D4&lk=3] is the first bivariate system of equations example. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.134|172.69.22.134]] 17:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Is that then a yes to my question? ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::Do you think it's more worthwhile to include a general discussion of avoiding the work of solving for two unknowns than the climate wedges? Why do you suggest that the wedges aren't the only distinctive elements on the blackboard? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.142.83|172.68.142.83]] 22:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I only just now noticed that Randall always puts the crossbars on the I in the word "I" and not otherwise. Looking back, he has nearly always done this, even since the first few comics. That's quite a principled yet subtle stance on letterforms. (There are some exceptions, however, such as comic #87, and a period that goes at least from comic #128 to comic #180. I wonder if it would be too typography-nerdy to put them all in a category.) [[Special:Contributions/198.41.231.85|198.41.231.85]] 14:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Those "crossbars" would be serifs, whereas he normally uses a sans serif font. A sans serif would be quicker/easier to write by hand, but he probably realized early on (perhaps subconsciously) that an I by itself without serifs looks too much like a random line or a numeral 1 so he treats the solo I like a special letter, with serifs. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 15:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Yes so not something for a category! But funny detail. I have no idea where to put this? Maybe in some part of the format of xkcd? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, person who sees beauty in grammar (Jkrstrt). I thought something looked off when I said "often site the beauty they see" but I didn't catch it until you sighted the error and made it cite instead. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 15:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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We need something about the [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22they%20did%20the%20math%22 2014 popularity spike of the phrase "They did the math"] with a link to e.g. r/theydidthemath. And ask the Hashtag Research Studies group to figure out the cause of that spike. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.19|172.68.189.19]] 15:29, 29 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:This has got to be [https://imgur.com/gallery/qpWueVf somehow related to xkcd.] But how? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.19|172.68.189.19]] 20:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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In other olds, [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=they+did+the+math&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1980&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cthey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bthey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BThey%20did%20the%20math%3B%2Cc0 Google Books says it started in 1988] but won't show me the 1988 book in question. I'm going to work on the drone fishing now. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.136|162.158.255.136]] 05:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I feel that [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2207:_Math_Work&diff=182511&oldid=180894 these deletions] were done without sufficient discussion of the rationales for the material given above, leaving the explanation shorter than that of almost all if not all other comics. Whatever you think of the climate change distributed optimization example, there were no objections to the well-documented "they did the math" popularity surge or to the academic references deleted. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 01:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2207:_Math_Work&diff=1833572207: Math Work2019-11-22T01:13:17Z<p>172.69.22.68: /* Explanation */ ce</p>
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[[White Hat]] is observing a {{w|physicist}}, [[Cueball]], who is staring at some equations and diagrams on a {{w|chalkboard}} (unreadable in the comic). White Hat is neither a physicist nor a {{w|mathematician}}, but he seems to glorify those professions. He wishes he understood the mathematics in Cueball's work and "the beauty on display here." People who profess a love for mathematics often cite the beauty they see in pure math, how things work out so perfectly, as the reason they love math.<br />
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The joke here is that Cueball as a physicist is doing something instead quite simple and relatable: Avoiding hard work. Solving many kinds of constraints for two unknowns isn't necessarily difficult, but can be depending on the details. Cueball clearly thinks a solution is possible but would rather find an easier route. The same could be said about the field of mathematics in general: A proof is beautiful to a mathematician when it provides {{w|aesthetic}} pleasure, usually associated with being easy to understand. A proof is elegant when it is both easy to understand and correct, and mathematical solutions are profound when useful.<br />
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The title text continues Cueball's thought process, with the possibility of using an automatic equation solver to find the unknowns. Equation solvers are not often considered beautiful ways to address purely mathematical problems, even if they are often the most efficient and in that sense elegant solutions to applied problems in engineering. Using a formal solver with symbolic, numeric, or both methods requires making sure that the constraints (e.g. equations) are entered correctly, with parentheses balanced in their correct locations for the solution to succeed. This is a further joke about Cueball's laziness, suggesting that he doesn't even have the energy to check whether his parentheses are placed correctly.<br />
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:[White Hat is watching Cueball from a couple of meters away. Cueball is contemplating the formulas and diagrams that fills the blackboard he stands in front of. Cueball holds a chalk in his hand. None of the content on the blackboard is readable, but there is a diagram in the shape of a circle and a another pie shaped diagram. Both are thinking with large thought bubbles above their heads, with small bubbles connecting them and the larger bubble]<br />
:White Hat (thinking): Amazing watching a physicist at work, exploring universes in a symphony of numbers.<br />
:White Hat (thinking): If only I had studied math, I could appreciate the beauty on display here.<br />
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:Cueball (thinking): Oh no. This has '''''two''''' unknowns. That's gonna be really hard.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): Ughhhhhhh.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): '''''Think.''''' There's gotta be a way to avoid doing all that work...<br />
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[[White Hat]] is observing a {{w|physicist}}, [[Cueball]], who is staring at some equations and diagrams on a {{w|chalkboard}} (unreadable in the comic). White Hat is neither a physicist nor a {{w|mathematician}}, but he seems to glorify those professions. He wishes he understood the mathematics in Cueball's work and "the beauty on display here." People who profess a love for mathematics often cite the beauty they see in pure math, how things work out so perfectly, as the reason they love math.<br />
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The joke here is that Cueball as a physicist is doing something instead quite simple and relatable: Avoiding hard work. Solving many kinds of constraints for two unknowns isn't necessarily difficult, but can be depending on the details. Cueball clearly thinks a solution is possible but would rather find an easier route. The same could be said about the field of mathematics in general: A proof is beautiful to a mathematician when it provides {{w|aesthetic}} pleasure, usually associated with being easy to understand. A proof is elegant when it is both easy to understand and correct, and mathematical solutions are profound when useful.<br />
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The title text continues Cueball's thought process, with the possibility of using an automatic equation solver to find the unknowns. Equation solvers are not often considered beautiful ways to address purely mathematical problems, even if they are often the most efficient and in that sense elegant solutions to applied problems in engineering. Using a formal solver with symbolic, numeric, or both methods requires making sure that the constraints (e.g. equations) are entered correctly, with parentheses balanced in their correct locations for the solution to succeed. This is a further joke about Cueball's laziness, suggesting that he doesn't even have the energy to check whether his parentheses are placed correctly.<br />
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:[White Hat is watching Cueball from a couple of meters away. Cueball is contemplating the formulas and diagrams that fills the blackboard he stands in front of. Cueball holds a chalk in his hand. None of the content on the blackboard is readable, but there is a diagram in the shape of a circle and a another pie shaped diagram. Both are thinking with large thought bubbles above their heads, with small bubbles connecting them and the larger bubble]<br />
:White Hat (thinking): Amazing watching a physicist at work, exploring universes in a symphony of numbers.<br />
:White Hat (thinking): If only I had studied math, I could appreciate the beauty on display here.<br />
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:Cueball (thinking): Oh no. This has '''''two''''' unknowns. That's gonna be really hard.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): Ughhhhhhh.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): '''''Think.''''' There's gotta be a way to avoid doing all that work...<br />
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[[White Hat]] is observing a {{w|physicist}}, [[Cueball]], who is staring at some equations and diagrams on a {{w|chalkboard}} (unreadable in the comic). White Hat is neither a physicist nor a {{w|mathematician}}, but he seems to glorify those professions. He wishes he understood the mathematics in Cueball's work and "the beauty on display here." People who profess a love for mathematics often cite the beauty they see in pure math, how things work out so perfectly, as the reason they love math.<br />
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The joke here is that Cueball as a physicist is doing something instead quite simple and relatable: Avoiding hard work. Solving many kinds of constraints for two unknowns isn't necessarily difficult, but can be depending on the details. Cueball clearly thinks a solution is possible but would rather find an easier route. The same could be said about the field of mathematics in general: A proof is beautiful to a mathematician when it provides {{w|aesthetic}} pleasure, usually associated with being easy to understand. A proof is elegant when it is both easy to understand and correct, and mathematical solutions are profound when useful.<br />
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The title text continues Cueball's thought process, with the possibility of using an automatic equation solver to find the unknowns. Equation solvers are not often considered beautiful ways to address purely mathematical problems, even if they are often the most efficient and in that sense elegant solutions to applied problems in engineering. Using a formal solver with symbolic, numeric, or both methods requires making sure that the constraints (e.g. equations) are entered correctly, with parentheses balanced in their correct locations for the solution to succeed. This is a further joke about Cueball's laziness, suggesting that he doesn't even have the energy to check whether his parentheses are placed correctly.<br />
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:[White Hat is watching Cueball from a couple of meters away. Cueball is contemplating the formulas and diagrams that fills the blackboard he stands in front of. Cueball holds a chalk in his hand. None of the content on the blackboard is readable, but there is a diagram in the shape of a circle and a another pie shaped diagram. Both are thinking with large thought bubbles above their heads, with small bubbles connecting them and the larger bubble]<br />
:White Hat (thinking): Amazing watching a physicist at work, exploring universes in a symphony of numbers.<br />
:White Hat (thinking): If only I had studied math, I could appreciate the beauty on display here.<br />
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:Cueball (thinking): Oh no. This has '''''two''''' unknowns. That's gonna be really hard.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): Ughhhhhhh.<br />
:Cueball (thinking): '''''Think.''''' There's gotta be a way to avoid doing all that work...<br />
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I believe that the "bees" are paired with words like "for" in the chart to draw similarities to the word "before"? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.54.34|172.68.54.34]] 21:49, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:They weren’t though. [[User:Netherin5|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5|talk]]) 13:08, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
Agreed. Has been changed. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 21:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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While the chart begins with Big Bang on the left side, I bee-lieve it's a history of our solar system, not the universe. When Rocky Planets formed is not a single specific point in time across the entire universe, and we have no idea if bees or thyme even exist beyond our planet. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 23:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Not quite. The Earth formed with the rest of the solar system. And since "Rocky planets form" is shown earlier, it's presumably refers to rocky planets in the ''universe'' -- in ''other'', older star systems, rather than our own. --[[User:Aaron of Mpls|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls|talk]])<br />
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As of this comment, this page is the first page to pop up when typing in the phrase "The Time for Beeland".<br />
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What's missing is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU Time after Thyme] [[User:Capncanuck|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck|talk]]) 00:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:And big missed opportunity for "Four bees land on thyme" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.226|162.158.78.226]] 05:16, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Fortunately, we seem to have avoided "the land after bee's time". At least for now. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.76|172.68.90.76]] 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)SiliconWolf<br />
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The Big Bang of course has two bees in it.<br />
:…But those bees did not develop until long after homo sapien did, the written word, the latin alphabet, et al. Indeed, “The Big Bang”, is a rather more recent construct, although the event is pre-Plank time. [[User:Logics|Logics]] ([[User talk:Logics|talk]]) 17:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC) <br />
:: Ty for missing and/or killing the joke... [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.76|172.68.90.76]] 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)SiliconWolf <br />
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I accidentally deleted the "incomplete explanation" tag after completing the transcript. Sorry about that, I'm new to wiki editing :( [[User:Duraludon|Duraludon]] ([[User talk:Duraludon|talk]]) 16:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed, no worries. :) [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 16:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Perhaps missing from the hovertext: The home of LEGO? ;) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.85|162.158.154.85]] 17:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2231:_The_Time_Before_and_After_Land&diff=183350Talk:2231: The Time Before and After Land2019-11-22T00:58:15Z<p>172.69.22.68: respond</p>
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I believe that the "bees" are paired with words like "for" in the chart to draw similarities to the word "before"? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.54.34|172.68.54.34]] 21:49, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:They weren’t though. [[User:Netherin5|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5|talk]]) 13:08, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
Agreed. Has been changed. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.155|172.68.132.155]] 21:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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While the chart begins with Big Bang on the left side, I bee-lieve it's a history of our solar system, not the universe. When Rocky Planets formed is not a single specific point in time across the entire universe, and we have no idea if bees or thyme even exist beyond our planet. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 23:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Not quite. The Earth formed with the rest of the solar system. And since "Rocky planets form" is shown earlier, it's presumably refers to rocky planets in the ''universe'' -- in ''other'', older star systems, rather than our own. --[[User:Aaron of Mpls|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls|talk]])<br />
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As of this comment, this page is the first page to pop up when typing in the phrase "The Time for Beeland".<br />
[[Special:Contributions/172.69.90.16|172.69.90.16]] 23:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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What's missing is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU Time after Thyme] [[User:Capncanuck|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck|talk]]) 00:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:And big missed opportunity for "Four bees land on thyme" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.226|162.158.78.226]] 05:16, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Fortunately, we seem to have avoided "the land after bee's time". At least for now. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.76|172.68.90.76]] 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)SiliconWolf<br />
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The Big Bang of course has two bees in it.<br />
:…But those bees did not develop until long after homo sapien did, the written word, the latin alphabet, et al. Indeed, “The Big Bang”, is a rather more recent construct, although the event is pre-Plank time. [[User:Logics|Logics]] ([[User talk:Logics|talk]]) 17:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC) <br />
:: Ty for missing and/or killing the joke... [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.76|172.68.90.76]] 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)SiliconWolf <br />
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I accidentally deleted the "incomplete explanation" tag after completing the transcript. Sorry about that, I'm new to wiki editing :( [[User:Duraludon|Duraludon]] ([[User talk:Duraludon|talk]]) 16:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed, no worries. :) [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 16:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Perhaps missing from the hovertext: The home of LEGO? ;) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.85|162.158.154.85]] 17:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Do you ever get the feeling than some comics are in large part Randal just f*cking with the editors here? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.68|172.69.22.68]] 00:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC)</div>172.69.22.68https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1937:_IATA_Airport_Abbreviations&diff=1502921937: IATA Airport Abbreviations2018-01-03T18:18:56Z<p>172.69.22.68: /* Explanation */ FYI is the name of Fresno Yosemite International</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 1937<br />
| date = January 3, 2018<br />
| title = IATA Airport Abbreviations<br />
| image = iata_airport_abbreviations.png<br />
| titletext = IATA stands for International AirporT Abbreviation.<br />
}}<br />
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==Explanation==<br />
{{incomplete|Expansion needed. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}<br />
This comic is making fun of the three-letter codes assigned to all airports. These codes are overseen by the IATA (International Air Transport Association). Some airport codes are very intuitive, taking letters from the city name (e.g., DEN for Denver). Other codes are somewhat intuitive, taking a letter or two from the nearby city name but adding an additional letter (e.g., LAX for Los Angeles). Other codes make seemingly no sense at all (e.g., ORD for Chicago's O'Hare International, due to it formerly being named Orchard Field). In many cases, the airport codes appear to have been chosen (or invented) because they are also common abbreviations and acronyms. <br />
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If we use the table provided, Randall's friend is flying into Edwards Air Force Base and then down to whatever. This is not a typical flight{{Citation needed}}. In actuality, the friend is flying into Newark tonight and Detroit tomorrow.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|'''IATA Code''' || '''Actual Assigned City/Airport''' || '''Description in the comic''' || '''Explanation'''<br />
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| AMD || Ahmedabad || Amsterdam || Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands. Its airport (called Schiphol) has the IATA code AMS. "AMD" is also a brand of computer processors.<br />
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| ANC || Anchorage || Ankh-Morpork || Ankh-Morpork is a fictional city-state featured in {{w|Discworld}}.<br />
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| ATL || Atlanta || Atalantë || Another name for J.R.R. Tolkien's fictional island of Númenor (which is in turn a reference to the sinking of Atlantis).<br />
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| BAE || Barcelonnette || Beijing || Beijing is the capital of China. Its airport has the IATA code PEK (possibly from Peking, alternate former spelling of its name). "Bae" is a slang term meaning girlfriend, boyfriend, or significant other.<br />
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| BLT || Blackwater || Baltimore || A "BLT" is a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.<br />
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| BUF || Buffalo || Sunnydale || {{w|Sunnydale}} is a fictional California city that serves as the primary setting for '''''Buf'''fy the Vampire Slayer''.<br />
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| CLT || Charlotte || [CENSORED] || The censored word may be "clitoris." Randall has used this word in the comic before, so it is not known why he censors it here.<br />
|-<br />
| DFW || Dallas/Fort Worth || Down For Whatever<br />
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| DTF || not assigned || Dartford || "DTF" is an acronym used to indicate "Down To Fuck". Dartford is a town in Kent, UK, about 10 miles SE of London.<br />
|-<br />
| DTW || Detroit || Down To Whatever<br />
|-<br />
| DWI || not assigned || Delaware International || "DWI" is an acronym for "Driving While Intoxicated" or "Driving While Impaired." Randall notes in the ''what if?'' book that Delaware has no airports.<br />
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| EWR || Newark || Edwards Air Force Base || Edwards Air Force Base (which has the IATA code EDW) is a United States Air Force installation in southern California, about 22 miles (35 km) northeast of Lancaster and 15 miles (24 km) east of Rosamond.<br />
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| FFS || not assigned || Flagstaff Station || "FFS" is an acronym for "For Fuck's Sake".<br />
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| FHQ || not assigned || FHQWHGADS || The string "fhqwhgads" appeared as the sender name in a spam email sent to Strong Bad in the {{w|Homestar Runner}} cartoons; Strong Bad ended up writing a song dedicated to the "character".<br />
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| FYI || Fresno Yosemite International || Fayetteville || "FYI" often stands for "For Your Information". Fresno Yosemite International also has the code FAT<br />
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| HGM || not assigned || Hogsmeade || {{w|Places_in_Harry_Potter#Hogsmeade|Hogsmeade}} is a fictional location in the ''{{w|Harry Potter}}'' series.<br />
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| HSV || Huntsville || Huntsville || This is one where Randall and the IATA agree. HSV is better known as the Hue-Saturation-Value color space or German soccer club Hamburger SV<br />
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| IAD || Washington (Dulles) || Idaho (Boise) || IAD is the symbol for Dulles Int'l Airport (which was originally "DIA" but it was felt that could be confused when hand-written with "DCA", the sign for nearby {{w|Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport}}). The Idaho Falls airport is IDA, while Idaho (Boise) is BOI, so it's unclear why BOI was chosen instead of IDA.<br />
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| IUD || Doha || Washington (Dulles) || An "IUD" is an "IntraUterine Device," or form of birth control.<br />
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| JFC || not assigned || Jefferson City || "JFC" is an acronym for "Jesus Fucking Christ."<br />
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| KUL || Kuala Lumpur || Kingdom of Loathing || Kingdom of Loathing is an online, browser-based RPG.<br />
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| LAX || Los Angeles || Las Angalas || "Las Angalas" is a "Los Angeles" with every vowel replaced with an "a" character. It's sometimes used as a joking nickname for "Los Angeles."<br />
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| LOL || Lovelock || Louisville || "LOL" often stands for "Laughing Out Loud".<br />
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| MDW || Chicago, IL (Midway) || Midway Atoll || Midway Atoll was the site of one of the most significant World War II Pacific naval battles. Its actual IATA code is MDY.<br />
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| MIA || Miami || Colombo, Sri Lanka || MIA is a rapper who is of Sri Lankan heritage. It also frequently stands for "Missing In Action".<br />
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| OMW || not assigned || Omaha || Eppley Airfield in East Omaha, Nebraska, has an IATA code of OMA. "OMW" is an acronym for "On My Way."<br />
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| ORD || Chicago, IL (O'Hare) || Orlando || O'Hare was once known as Orchard Place/Douglas Field, hence ORD<br />
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| PDX || Portland || Pordlanx || Consider how LAX has a random "X" at the end. And "ORD" is an actual IATA code. Randall messes with "Portland" here in much the same way.<br />
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| PHL || Philadelphia, PA || Pittsburgh || Pittsburgh International Airport has a IATA code of PIT. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are the two largest cities in Pennsylvania and are at opposite ends of the state.<br />
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| SAN || San Diego || San Diego<br>San Juan<br>San Jose<br>San Francisco<br>San Antonio || SAN<br>Puerto Rico: SJU and SIG, and Argentina: UAQ.<br>USA: SJC, Costa Rica: SJO, Mexico: SJD, Philippines: SJI<br>SFO<br>SAT<br><br />
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| SEA || Seattle/Tacoma or SeaTac || [Indicates Water Landing] || This is possibly a reference to the fact that "SEA" could be interpreted as "Sea". Like some other major airports (e.g., {{w|San Francisco International Airport}} and {{w|LaGuardia Airport}}), SEA is very close to a large body of water, in SeaTac's case {{w|Puget Sound}}: thus, missing the airport may end up in a water landing. SeaTac is also a city in WA, adjacent to the airport.<br />
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| SMH || Sapmanga || Smithfield || "SMH" often stands for "Shaking My Head".<br />
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| STL || St. Louis || Silent Hill || Silent Hill is a fictional city appearing in the series of video games and movies with the same name. <br />
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| SWF || Newburgh, New York || Sherwood Forest || .swf is the file extension for ShockWave Flash files. "SWF" can also stand for "Single White Female" in personal ads.<br />
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| TBA || Tabibuga || Tribeca || "TBA" often stands for "To Be Announced".<br />
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| TMI || Tumlingtar || Turkmenistan International || "TMI" often stands for "Too Much Information".<br />
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| YYY || Mont-Joli || Toronto Downtown || The small airport in downtown Toronto is Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport, which has an IATA code of YTZ.<br />
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| YYZ || Toronto || Toronto Pearson || This one is correct. The band Rush is from Toronto and named an instrumental song after the airport call sign. See {{w|YYZ (instrumental)}}<br />
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|}<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
Confused by those airport abbreviations used by your friends who fly a lot? Just memorize this list.<br />
:Aside 1: I'm flying into EWR tonight, then DTW tomorrow.<br />
:Aside 2: Ok, cool. I definitely know what those mean without Googling.<br />
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| AMD || Amsterdam<br />
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| BAE || Beijing<br />
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| ORD || Orlando<br />
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| IAD || Idaho (Boise)<br />
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| JFC || Jefferson City<br />
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| IUD || Washington Dulles<br />
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| FYI || Fayetteville<br />
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| LOL || Louisville<br />
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| ATL || Atalante<br />
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| HGM || Hogsmeade<br />
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| OMW || Omaha<br />
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| ANC || Ankh-Morpork<br />
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| HSV || Hunstville<br />
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| SAN || San Diego<br />
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| SAN || San Juan<br />
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| SAN || San Jose<br />
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| SAN || San Francisco<br />
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| SAN || San Antonio<br />
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| DWI || Delaware International<br />
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| DFW || Down for Whatever<br />
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| DTW || Down to Whatever<br />
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| TMI || Turkmenistan International<br />
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| LAX || Las Angalas<br />
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| EWR || Edwards Air Force Base<br />
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| PHL || Pittsburgh<br />
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| SWF || Sherwood Forest<br />
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| KUL || Kingdom of Loathing<br />
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| STL || Silent Hill<br />
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| BUF || Sunnydale<br />
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| TBA || Tribeca<br />
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| SMH || Smithfield<br />
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| BLT || Baltimore<br />
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| YYY || Toronto Downtown<br />
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| YYZ || Toronto Pearson<br />
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| MIA || Colombo, Sri Lanka<br />
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| CLT || Censored<br />
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| FHQ || Fhqwhgads<br />
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| FFS || Flagstaff Station<br />
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| DTF || Dartford<br />
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| MDW || Midway Atoll<br />
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| PDX || Pordlanx<br />
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| SEA || Indicates Water Landing<br />
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