1738: Moon Shapes - Revision history

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FaviFake: /* Table of Moon shapes */

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‎Table of Moon shapes

FaviFake: /* Trivia */

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‎Trivia

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172.69.195.122: /* Explanation */ Just for clarification. Similar sort of thing to Great Circle lines on the ground vs lines of latitude.

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‎Explanation: Just for clarification. Similar sort of thing to Great Circle lines on the ground vs lines of latitude.

172.69.43.241: /* Explanation */

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‎Explanation

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unless this is about a comic on a milk carton, the grammar police have spoken

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 | titletext = Whenever I see a picture of the moon where the points go more than halfway around, I assume it's being eclipsed by one of those Independence Day ships and interpret the rest of the image in light of that.
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 ==Explanation==
 The Earth's {{w|Moon}}, being the most prominent object in the night sky (most of the time), is a frequent subject of art; particularly art depicting a nighttime scene. Unfortunately, the Moon often appears in works of art in ways that are very dramatic and would not be realistically possible. It may be done out of ignorance, or knowingly by taking {{w|artistic license}}. As someone interested in and who has worked in astronomy, this likely bothers [[Randall]].

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 | titletext = Whenever I see a picture of the moon where the points go more than halfway around, I assume it's being eclipsed by one of those Independence Day ships and interpret the rest of the image in light of that.
 }}
+{{TOC}}
 ==Explanation==
 The Earth's {{w|Moon}}, being the most prominent object in the night sky (most of the time), is a frequent subject of art; particularly art depicting a nighttime scene. Unfortunately, the Moon often appears in works of art in ways that are very dramatic and would not be realistically possible. It may be done out of ignorance, or knowingly by taking {{w|artistic license}}. As someone interested in and who has worked in astronomy, this likely bothers [[Randall]].

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 !1
-| [[File:moon1.jpg]]|| Full moon || <font color="green">Normal</font> || rowspan="3" | "Full"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Quarter"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Harvest" or "Wax Gibbon" or whatever || Reality. The full moon cannot really be drawn incorrectly, and will look like this whenever it is up at night. || rowspan="3" | LOOK AT THE MOON
+| [[File:moon1.jpg]]|| Full moon || <font color="green">Normal</font> || rowspan="3" | "Full"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Quarter"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Harvest" or "Wax Gibbon" or whatever || Reality. The full moon cannot really be drawn incorrectly, and will look like this whenever it is up at night.
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 * In the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/archive/b/b9/20160928005719%21moon_shapes.png original version of the comic], the text for the fourth moon shape said "Only possible during a solar eclipse". The following day, [[Randall]] changed it to "Not possible at night". The [[Header text|header text]] for this comic was also changed to "Thank you to Phil Plait for the correction on #4!"
-* [[File:moon7a.jpg]] The image of the crescent moon blocking the stars is slightly wrong because there are still lights on the surface of the moon.
+* The image of the crescent moon blocking the stars is slightly wrong because there are still lights on the surface of the moon. Here is a version of the moon showing its theoretical shape:
 {{comic discussion}}

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 In the title text, Randall is referring to the movie {{w|Independence Day (1996 film)|''Independence Day''}} and how one of the alien's ships (in the movie) 'eclipses' part of the Moon. He says that if the points go halfway or longer around the Moon, then he imagines it's caused by an alien ship and interprets the entire piece of art in that context (i.e. aliens are about to attack those shepherds!).
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+==Table of Moon shapes==
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-|1 || [[File:moon1.jpg]]|| Full moon || <font color="green">Normal</font> || rowspan="3" | "Full"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Quarter"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"Harvest" or "Wax Gibbon" or whatever || Reality. The full moon cannot really be drawn incorrectly, and will look like this whenever it is up at night. || rowspan="3" | LOOK AT THE MOON
+!1
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-|2 ||[[File:moon2.jpg]]|| Gibbous&nbsp;moon || <font color="green">Normal</font> || Reality, as in this is how one of the moon's phases looks on a normal basis.
+!2
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-|3 ||[[File:moon4a.jpg]]|| Crescent moon with horns away from horizon || <font color="green">Normal</font> || Reality, as in this is how one of the moon's phases looks on a normal basis.
+!3
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-|4 ||[[File:moon3.jpg]]|| Crescent moon with horns towards horizon ||  <font color="red">Not&nbsp;normal</font> || Not possible at night || This can only happen when the sun is above the horizon. Since a crescent moon means that the Sun and the Moon are relatively close in the sky, the Moon would not be visible with a naked eye, its light completely outshone by the sunlight. Randall comments that this is possible only during the daytime, marking it wrong as the background would not be black. According to this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase#/media/File:Moon_phases_en.jpg image] on Wikipedia's article on {{w|lunar phase}} "Phases of the Moon, as seen looking southward from the {{w|northern hemisphere}}. The {{w|southern hemisphere}} will see each phase rotated through 180°". This might seem to indicate that shape #3, which is visible in for instance USA where Randall lives should be seen like #4 in the southern part of South America, also at night! However, because the light portion of the moon is illuminated by sunlight (whether or not the moon is in the sky at the same time as the sun), the light side of the moon will always be facing towards the sun. If the moon is in the night sky, the sun must be somewhere "below" the horizon on the other side of the Earth. Thus, at night, the light portion of the moon must always be on the half of the moon that faces the horizon; However, in the case of twilight after sunset and shortly after (like the example painting), due to the [https://www.academia.edu/7848972/THE_MOON_TILT_ILLUSION moon tilt][https://www.seas.upenn.edu/~amyers/MoonPaper20June.pdf illusion] the bright side of the moon may appear to point up relative to an observer on the ground (although not to the extent show in the comic). But as the text from Randall points out there can be times during daytime when the orientation can go the other way. But then the background should not be black. Originally Randall wrote a different (wrong) sentence here and then corrected to the one currently explained, see [[#Trivia|trivia]] below.|| Van Gogh, {{w|File:Van Gogh - Passeio ao Crepúsculo.jpg|Landscape with Couple Walking and Crescent Moon}}
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-|5 ||[[File:moon5a.jpg]]|| Wide crescent-like moon where the horns don't connect through a diameter || <font color="red">Not normal</font>||  rowspan="2" | Only possible during a lunar eclipse (#1 only, dubious) or a solar eclipse (bright part is the Sun) || This is only possible during a partial solar eclipse or the start of an annular eclipse (in which cases the lit portion is not the moon, but the sun), or else if the Earth is casting its partial shadow on the Moon, a penumbral lunar eclipse. Randall labels the lunar eclipse "dubious", since the shadow during penumbral eclipse would be much lighter than shown here, in fact barely visible as a slight darkening of the Moon's surface. The Earth's shadow, being very large, would also likely cast a less-rounded edge than depicted here. ||
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-|6 ||[[File:moon6.jpg]]|| Narrow crescent-like moon where the points don't connect through a diameter || <font color="red">Not normal</font> || This situation is even harder to create than the previous one - unlike the previous example, here the diameter of the entire shadow is clear, and is too small for the Earth's shadow in a lunar eclipse. A huge ''Independence Day'' spaceship (as per the Title text) might be the right size. It does however resemble a partial {{w|annular eclipse}} if you imagine that the black area is the moon covering up the white sun. || {{w|File:AlcoholicBluesCoverVonTilze.jpg|Alcoholic Blues}}.  Van Gogh, {{w|File:Van Gogh - Starry Night - Google Art Project.jpg|Starry Night}} but turned the other way.
+!6
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-|7 ||[[File:moon7.jpg]]|| Crescent moon blocking stars|| <font color="green">Normal</font> || Looks OK || Reality (as in image 3) with stars shown around the moon, but not any inside the sphere of the sky that would be blocked by the dark (but still present) side of the moon. (See [[#Trivia|trivia]] below though). ||
+!7
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-|8 ||[[File:moon8.jpg]]|| Crescent moon with stars between horns || <font color="red">Not normal</font> || There's either a hole in the Moon or a nuclear war on its surface || Many people (including artists) seem to forget that the dark portion of the moon is still a solid object that we cannot see through.[https://imgur.com/S30fuOj][https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a7/7d/4a/a77d4ae9e3549e36edd350246d33700c.jpg] If stars are visible, there are either one or more holes in the moon, or the light-source is actually on the moon, such as nuclear explosions. As the {{w|Star and Crescent}}, the image is sometimes considered a symbol of Islam, although it's relatively recent and there's no traditional basis for putting the star ''between'' the horns - as originally used on the Flag of Turkey, the star appears in a realistic position. The flags of Algeria, Tunisia and some other countries show the star in the dark part of the moon. In the first Edwin Blashfield, {{w|File:Edwin Blashfield - Spring Scattering Stars.jpg|Spring Scattering Stars}} a God is standing on the moon throwing stars down, but then these stars are actually in front of the moon and are good. Nothing in the image suggest that stars can be seen through the dark part of the moon. Also, the {{w|DreamWorks Animation}} logo shows no stars. Although both show persons sitting on the seal, this is thus also clearly not an effort to make it look real. But in neither case stars can be seen in the moon. This is also the case for the live [https://youtu.be/xPpy8mYHQps?t=11 DreamWorks logo from movies]. Here there are stars in the background, but they are not inside the moon as [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/f/f5/1738_Moon_Shapes_DreamWorks_logo_With_Moon_Circle.PNG can be seen here]. || An example can be found in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/2/26/1738_Moon_Shapes_Mole_Car_Moon_With_Stars_Inside.png image on the last page] of [https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-mole-got-his-car/dp/B0000CKRB4 How mole got his car] with the {{w|Mole (Zdeněk Miler character)|Mole}} from the cartoon series by {{w|Zdeněk Miler}}. This is not just showing the stars inside from the last shape, but also the type of moon shown in the sixth image.
+!8
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 ==Trivia==
-* [[Randall]] changed the text for the fourth moon shape the next day from "Only possible during a solar eclipse" to "Not possible at night".
+* In the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/archive/b/b9/20160928005719%21moon_shapes.png original version of the comic], the text for the fourth moon shape said "Only possible during a solar eclipse". The following day, [[Randall]] changed it to "Not possible at night". The [[Header text|header text]] for this comic was also changed to "Thank you to Phil Plait for the correction on #4!"
 * [[File:moon7a.jpg]] The image of the crescent moon blocking the stars is slightly wrong because there are still lights on the surface of the moon.

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 Further, because the light portion of the Moon is illuminated by sunlight (whether or not the Moon is in the sky at the same time as the Sun), the light side of the Moon will always be facing towards the Sun. If the Moon is in the night sky, the Sun must be somewhere "below" the horizon on the other side of the Earth. Thus, at night, the light portion of the Moon must always be on the half of the Moon that faces the horizon (there are points during the daytime when the orientation can go the other way); however, because of the [https://www.seas.upenn.edu/~amyers/MoonPaper20June.pdf moon tilt illusion] it is possible for the light portion of the Moon to appear to point up. The [https://www.academia.edu/7848972/THE_MOON_TILT_ILLUSION moon tilt illusion] is generally not as severe and may only last a few hours after sunset.
-All this relies upon the 'direction' of the Moon's curve (the direction in which the lit part bulges) pointing towards the Sun, which the observer may or may not see but could also infer the direction of if they have a good idea of what the local time is (before or after midnight) and/or what general track the Sun and Moon are taking across the sky (the ecliptic). By knowing either, clearly observing the Moon can be useful in determining the other and aid in night-time navigation/time-keeping, as the amount of crescentness also indicates how close below the horizon a recently set (or soon to rise) Sun will be, for any given position of the Moon itself. Not depicted here, but commonly seen in illustrations, is a crescent Moon 'facing' by its concave indent (often styled with sharply jutting chin and forehead) the Sun, when the rounded bulge of the lit hemisphere should be the one directed at its solar lightsource. When the Moon is too full to note even a gibbous assymetry, this is because the Sun is (more or less) ''exactly'' opposite the Moon, from the earthly observer's point of view. If the Moon has just risen, the Sun will have (or, if the Moon is not quite full, perhaps very soon will<!-- or if you find a particularly advantageous bit of local geography, but let us not complicate matters!-->) set at the other side of the horizon (its relative position depending upon latitude and season); if the Moon is full and close to setting, the Sun is similarly close to rising; if the Moon is at its highest point and seems to be at its fullest, the Sun is at its lowest (below and behind the observer, and it is close to astronomical midnight — thus, similarly, a Moon should also not be depicted as full, or significantly gibbous, when ''next'' to a storybook Sun.
+All this relies upon the 'direction' of the Moon's curve (the direction in which the lit part bulges) pointing towards the Sun, which the observer may or may not see but could also infer the direction of if they have a good idea of what the local time is (before or after midnight) and/or what general orbital track the Sun and Moon are taking across the sky (the ecliptic, a track which may appear curved against the night sky and horizon). By knowing either, clearly observing the Moon can be useful in determining the other and aid in night-time navigation/time-keeping, as the amount of crescentness also indicates how close below the horizon a recently set (or soon to rise) Sun will be, for any given position of the Moon itself. Not depicted here, but commonly seen in illustrations, is a crescent Moon 'facing' by its concave indent (often styled with sharply jutting chin and forehead) the Sun, when the rounded bulge of the lit hemisphere should be the one directed at its solar lightsource. When the Moon is too full to note even a gibbous assymetry, this is because the Sun is (more or less) ''exactly'' opposite the Moon, from the earthly observer's point of view. If the Moon has just risen, the Sun will have (or, if the Moon is not quite full, perhaps very soon will<!-- or if you find a particularly advantageous bit of local geography, but let us not complicate matters!-->) set at the other side of the horizon (its relative position depending upon latitude and season); if the Moon is full and close to setting, the Sun is similarly close to rising; if the Moon is at its highest point and seems to be at its fullest, the Sun is at its lowest (below and behind the observer, and it is close to astronomical midnight — thus, similarly, a Moon should also not be depicted as full, or significantly gibbous, when ''next'' to a storybook Sun.
 It is worth noting that while the Moon's dark portion blends imperceptibly with the dark night sky, it is still a solid body. Therefore, it would be impossible to see more distant objects such as stars "through" the dark portion of the Moon's circumference. This is most dramatically exemplified by a {{w|solar eclipse}} during which the Moon passes in front of the Sun and is therefore completely dark (the Sun is lighting only the far side), but the Moon's circumference still blocks a circular portion of the Sun's light.  Therefore, if we were to see any lights in the part of the sky the dark side of the Moon blocks, they would need to be from sources between us and the Moon's surface, such as a nuclear war on the Moon.

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 ==Explanation==
-The Earth's {{w|Moon}}, being the most prominent object in the night sky (most of the time), is a frequent subject of art; particularly art depicting a nighttime scene. Unfortunately, the moon often appears in works of art in ways that are very dramatic and would not be realistically possible. It may be done out of ignorance, or knowingly by taking {{w|artistic license}}. As someone interested in and who has worked in astronomy, this likely bothers [[Randall]].
+The Earth's {{w|Moon}}, being the most prominent object in the night sky (most of the time), is a frequent subject of art; particularly art depicting a nighttime scene. Unfortunately, the Moon often appears in works of art in ways that are very dramatic and would not be realistically possible. It may be done out of ignorance, or knowingly by taking {{w|artistic license}}. As someone interested in and who has worked in astronomy, this likely bothers [[Randall]].
-The Moon is well known to have "{{w|lunar phase|phases}}" describing what portion of the visible surface of the moon is illuminated by sunlight and highly visible, and what portion is dark, and generally only slightly visible when the moon appears while the sun is also up. These phases progress between "New" (when the surface facing the Earth is completely dark) and "Full" (when the surface facing the Earth is completely illuminated, appearing as a full disk as viewed from Earth). Mid-way between those extreme phases is a "Quarter" Moon, when exactly one-half of the surface facing Earth is completely dark - at this point the Moon is a quarter of the way in its cycle from the New Moon, either one quarter of the way into it ("First" Quarter) or a quarter of the way from completing it ("Last" Quarter).
+The Moon is well known to have "{{w|lunar phase|phases}}" describing what portion of the visible surface of the Moon is illuminated by sunlight and highly visible, and what portion is dark, and generally only slightly visible when the Moon appears while the Sun is also up. These phases progress between "New" (when the surface facing the Earth is completely dark) and "Full" (when the surface facing the Earth is completely illuminated, appearing as a full disk as viewed from Earth). Mid-way between those extreme phases is a "Quarter" Moon, when exactly one-half of the surface facing Earth is completely dark - at this point the Moon is a quarter of the way in its cycle from the New Moon, either one quarter of the way into it ("First" Quarter) or a quarter of the way from completing it ("Last" Quarter).
-Because the Moon is approximately spherical, its illuminated side appears as "crescent" in shape as it progresses from New to First Quarter phase. As it progresses from First Quarter to Full phase, observers on Earth see a Waxing "[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gibbous Gibbous] Moon (which just means that the dark portion has formed a crescent). One can imagine this like a globe on which you draw a straight line from the north pole to the south pole down the center of the side facing you (appearing to create two semi-circles); upon rotating the globe, the line would become rounded as it moved away creating a crescent on the side the line was moved towards. Because of the geometry involved, a line connecting the two points (horns) of a Crescent Moon (or of the darkened crescent inverse of a Gibbous Moon) must be a diameter of the moon (i.e. it must pass through the center of the circle).
+Because the Moon is approximately spherical, its illuminated side appears as "crescent" in shape as it progresses from New to First Quarter phase. As it progresses from First Quarter to Full phase, observers on Earth see a Waxing "[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gibbous Gibbous] Moon (which just means that the dark portion has formed a crescent). One can imagine this like a globe on which you draw a straight line from the north pole to the south pole down the center of the side facing you (appearing to create two semi-circles); upon rotating the globe, the line would become rounded as it moved away creating a crescent on the side the line was moved towards. Because of the geometry involved, a line connecting the two points (horns) of a Crescent Moon (or of the darkened crescent inverse of a Gibbous Moon) must be a diameter of the Moon (i.e. it must pass through the center of the circle).
 The deliberate misidentification of a Waxing Gibbous Moon ("waxing" means going from new to full; that is increasing in illuminated area) as a "wax gibbon" (a Southeast Asian ape made of a nonpolar solid) is a source of humor in this comic. This is probably a reference to H.P. Lovecraft, who had several of his stories take place under "a gibbous moon" for dramatic effect, or even more likely a reference to the {{w|Discworld}} by {{w|Terry Pratchett}}, often referenced in xkcd (as in [[1498: Terry Pratchett]]). In the witch series the Gibbous Moon is mentioned several times as the most magic, rather than the more often used Crescent or Full Moon.
-Further, because the light portion of the Moon is illuminated by sunlight (whether or not the Moon is in the sky at the same time as the Sun), the light side of the Moon will always be facing towards the Sun. If the Moon is in the night sky, the Sun must be somewhere "below" the horizon on the other side of the Earth. Thus, at night, the light portion of the Moon must always be on the half of the Moon that faces the horizon (there are points during the daytime when the orientation can go the other way); however, because of the [https://www.seas.upenn.edu/~amyers/MoonPaper20June.pdf moon tilt illusion] it is possible for the light portion of the moon to appear to point up. The [https://www.academia.edu/7848972/THE_MOON_TILT_ILLUSION moon tilt illusion] is generally not as severe and may only last a few hours after sunset.
+Further, because the light portion of the Moon is illuminated by sunlight (whether or not the Moon is in the sky at the same time as the Sun), the light side of the Moon will always be facing towards the Sun. If the Moon is in the night sky, the Sun must be somewhere "below" the horizon on the other side of the Earth. Thus, at night, the light portion of the Moon must always be on the half of the Moon that faces the horizon (there are points during the daytime when the orientation can go the other way); however, because of the [https://www.seas.upenn.edu/~amyers/MoonPaper20June.pdf moon tilt illusion] it is possible for the light portion of the Moon to appear to point up. The [https://www.academia.edu/7848972/THE_MOON_TILT_ILLUSION moon tilt illusion] is generally not as severe and may only last a few hours after sunset.
-It is worth noting that while the Moon's dark portion blends imperceptibly with the dark night sky, it is still a solid body. Therefore, it would be impossible to see more distant objects such as stars "through" the dark portion of the Moon's circumference. This is most dramatically exemplified by a {{w|solar eclipse}} during which the Moon passes in front of the Sun and is therefore completely dark (the Sun is lighting only the far side), but the Moon's circumference still blocks a circular portion of the Sun's light.  Therefore, if we were to see any lights in the part of the sky the dark side of the Moon blocks, they would need to be from sources between us and the Moon's surface, such as a nuclear war on the moon.
+All this relies upon the 'direction' of the Moon's curve (the direction in which the lit part bulges) pointing towards the Sun, which the observer may or may not see but could also infer the direction of if they have a good idea of what the local time is (before or after midnight) and/or what general track the Sun and Moon are taking across the sky (the ecliptic). By knowing either, clearly observing the Moon can be useful in determining the other and aid in night-time navigation/time-keeping, as the amount of crescentness also indicates how close below the horizon a recently set (or soon to rise) Sun will be, for any given position of the Moon itself. Not depicted here, but commonly seen in illustrations, is a crescent Moon 'facing' by its concave indent (often styled with sharply jutting chin and forehead) the Sun, when the rounded bulge of the lit hemisphere should be the one directed at its solar lightsource. When the Moon is too full to note even a gibbous assymetry, this is because the Sun is (more or less) ''exactly'' opposite the Moon, from the earthly observer's point of view. If the Moon has just risen, the Sun will have (or, if the Moon is not quite full, perhaps very soon will<!-- or if you find a particularly advantageous bit of local geography, but let us not complicate matters!-->) set at the other side of the horizon (its relative position depending upon latitude and season); if the Moon is full and close to setting, the Sun is similarly close to rising; if the Moon is at its highest point and seems to be at its fullest, the Sun is at its lowest (below and behind the observer, and it is close to astronomical midnight — thus, similarly, a Moon should also not be depicted as full, or significantly gibbous, when ''next'' to a storybook Sun.
 This comic lists some of some common mistakes. In some cases, a depiction may be unrealistic in multiple ways - for example, the {{w|Flag of Tunisia}} has both unrealistic horns and a star visible between the horns, while {{w|File:Moon tarot charles6.jpg|the Charles VI tarot}} shows a Moon with over-long horns pointing towards the horizon.