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why use / when you can use or

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That is 100% not intentional and whoever wrote that is reading into things too much

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172.70.207.5: /* Explanation */ wlink

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‎Explanation: wlink

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Beret: /* Explanation */ Resolved "incomplete" tag; this does not appear to have any relationship to Elon buying twitter, as twitter is not an encrypted messaging app, and in any case it has nothing to do with the completeness of this explanation

2022-11-30T06:34:57Z

‎Explanation: Resolved "incomplete" tag; this does not appear to have any relationship to Elon buying twitter, as twitter is not an encrypted messaging app, and in any case it has nothing to do with the completeness of this explanation

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 ==Explanation==
-When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w|Alice and Bob|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob.  The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones|xkcd Phones]].
+When teaching encryption or cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w|Alice and Bob|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob.  The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones|xkcd Phones]].
 The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.

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	When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].		When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].
−
−	Note also that Eve being forbidden to install the app parallels another Eve being forbidden to eat an apple (an app-le?) in a common retelling of the Biblical story of the Garden of Eden (though the actual Biblical text doesn't refer to an apple). Spoiler alert: The Biblical Eve ate the forbidden fruit anyway, and this Eve is probably going to install the app anyway...

	The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.		The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.

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−	oh my ~~god~~	+	{{comic
		+	\| number = 2691
		+	\| date = October 28, 2022
		+	\| title = Encryption
		+	\| image = encryption_2x.png
		+	\| imagesize = 235x380px
		+	\| noexpand = true
		+	\| titletext = WARNING: PEOPLE NAMED EVE ARE PROHIBITED FROM INSTALLING THIS APP!
		+	}}
		+
		+	==Explanation==
		+
		+	When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].
		+
		+	Note also that Eve being forbidden to install the app parallels another Eve being forbidden to eat an apple (an app-le?) in a common retelling of the Biblical story of the Garden of Eden (though the actual Biblical text doesn't refer to an apple). Spoiler alert: The Biblical Eve ate the forbidden fruit anyway, and this Eve is probably going to install the app anyway...
		+
		+	The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.
		+
		+	Even if the assumption that you could divine people's roles and motives from their names were correct, if the names of the users don't need to be verified, it seems possible for a bad actor to circumvent the security features of the app by simply lying about their name. Genuine users could also undermine the security with double installations and a complete mess of a contact list in which everyone's names are somehow identified as "Alice" or "Bob", in order to increase its utility to them. Also, it would appear that "Bob" needn't be the commonly used name of the message receiver, in this scenario – it could also be a diminutive of what he is actually known by. Thus a user might claim to be "Bob" whichever his given name is.
		+
		+	This may be related to the announcement that {{w\|Signal (software)\|Signal}} would be discontinuing support for SMS/MMS messages.
		+
		+	==Transcript==
		+	:[Cueball showing a phone to a long-haired woman, identified in the caption as Alice]
		+	:Cueball: The app will let you send messages to your friend Robert, or my brother.
		+	:Alice: Can they reply?
		+	:Cueball: No.
		+
		+	:[Caption below the panel]:
		+	:My new secure texting app only allows people named Alice to send messages to people named Bob.
		+
		+	{{comic discussion}}
		+	[[Category: Comics featuring Cueball]]
		+	[[Category: Cryptography]]
		+	[[Category: Smartphones]]

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−	~~{{comic~~	+	oh my god
−	~~\| number = 2691~~
−	~~\| date = October 28, 2022~~
−	~~\| title = Encryption~~
−	~~\| image = encryption_2x.png~~
−	~~\| imagesize = 235x380px~~
−	~~\| noexpand = true~~
−	~~\| titletext = WARNING: PEOPLE NAMED EVE ARE PROHIBITED FROM INSTALLING THIS APP!~~
−	}}
−
−	~~==Explanation==~~
−
−	When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].
−
−	Note also that Eve being forbidden to install the app parallels another Eve being forbidden to eat an apple (an app-le?) in a common retelling of the Biblical story of the Garden of Eden (though the actual Biblical text doesn't refer to an apple). Spoiler alert: The Biblical Eve ate the forbidden fruit anyway, and this Eve is probably going to install the app anyway...
−
−	~~The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.~~
−
−	Even if the assumption that you could divine people's roles and motives from their names were correct, if the names of the users don't need to be verified, it seems possible for a bad actor to circumvent the security features of the app by simply lying about their name. Genuine users could also undermine the security with double installations and a complete mess of a contact list in which everyone's names are somehow identified as "Alice" or "Bob", in order to increase its utility to them. Also, it would appear that "Bob" needn't be the commonly used name of the message receiver, in this scenario – it could also be a diminutive of what he is actually known by. Thus a user might claim to be "Bob" whichever his given name is.
−
−	~~This may be related to the announcement that {{w\|Signal (software)\|Signal}} would be discontinuing support for SMS/MMS messages.~~
−
−	~~==Transcript==~~
−	~~:[Cueball showing a phone to a long-haired woman, identified in the caption as Alice]~~
−	~~:Cueball: The app will let you send messages to your friend Robert, or~~ my ~~brother.~~
−	~~:Alice: Can they reply?~~
−	~~:Cueball: No.~~
−
−	~~:[Caption below the panel]:~~
−	~~:My new secure texting app only allows people named Alice to send messages to people named Bob.~~
−
−	~~{{comic discussion}}~~
−	~~[[Category: Comics featuring Cueball]]~~
−	~~[[Category: Cryptography]]~~
−	~~[[Category: Smartphones]]~~

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−	oh my ~~god~~	+	{{comic
		+	\| number = 2691
		+	\| date = October 28, 2022
		+	\| title = Encryption
		+	\| image = encryption_2x.png
		+	\| imagesize = 235x380px
		+	\| noexpand = true
		+	\| titletext = WARNING: PEOPLE NAMED EVE ARE PROHIBITED FROM INSTALLING THIS APP!
		+	}}
		+
		+	==Explanation==
		+
		+	When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].
		+
		+	Note also that Eve being forbidden to install the app parallels another Eve being forbidden to eat an apple (an app-le?) in a common retelling of the Biblical story of the Garden of Eden (though the actual Biblical text doesn't refer to an apple). Spoiler alert: The Biblical Eve ate the forbidden fruit anyway, and this Eve is probably going to install the app anyway...
		+
		+	The comics [[177: Alice and Bob]] and [[1323: Protocol]] are also about Alice and Bob.
		+
		+	Even if the assumption that you could divine people's roles and motives from their names were correct, if the names of the users don't need to be verified, it seems possible for a bad actor to circumvent the security features of the app by simply lying about their name. Genuine users could also undermine the security with double installations and a complete mess of a contact list in which everyone's names are somehow identified as "Alice" or "Bob", in order to increase its utility to them. Also, it would appear that "Bob" needn't be the commonly used name of the message receiver, in this scenario – it could also be a diminutive of what he is actually known by. Thus a user might claim to be "Bob" whichever his given name is.
		+
		+	This may be related to the announcement that {{w\|Signal (software)\|Signal}} would be discontinuing support for SMS/MMS messages.
		+
		+	==Transcript==
		+	:[Cueball showing a phone to a long-haired woman, identified in the caption as Alice]
		+	:Cueball: The app will let you send messages to your friend Robert, or my brother.
		+	:Alice: Can they reply?
		+	:Cueball: No.
		+
		+	:[Caption below the panel]:
		+	:My new secure texting app only allows people named Alice to send messages to people named Bob.
		+
		+	{{comic discussion}}
		+	[[Category: Comics featuring Cueball]]
		+	[[Category: Cryptography]]
		+	[[Category: Smartphones]]

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 Even if the assumption that you could divine people's roles and motives from their names were correct, if the names of the users don't need to be verified, it seems possible for a bad actor to circumvent the security features of the app by simply lying about their name. Genuine users could also undermine the security with double installations and a complete mess of a contact list in which everyone's names are somehow identified as "Alice" or "Bob", in order to increase its utility to them. Also, it would appear that "Bob" needn't be the commonly used name of the message receiver, in this scenario – it could also be a diminutive of what he is actually known by. Thus a user might claim to be "Bob" whichever his given name is.
-This may be related to the announcement that Signal would be discontinuing support for SMS/MMS messages.
+This may be related to the announcement that {{w|Signal (software)|Signal}} would be discontinuing support for SMS/MMS messages.
 ==Transcript==

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 ==Transcript==
 :[Cueball showing a phone to a long-haired woman, identified in the caption as Alice]
 :Cueball: The app will let you send messages to your friend Robert, or my brother.

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	==Explanation==		==Explanation==
−	{{incomplete\|Created by ALICE FOR BOB - Please change this comment when editing this page.''Possibly connected to Elon buying Twitter? thoughts? talk about secure messaging apps'' Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}

	When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].		When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w\|Alice and Bob\|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob. The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones\|xkcd Phones]].

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 {{incomplete|Created by ALICE FOR BOB - Please change this comment when editing this page.''Possibly connected to Elon buying Twitter? thoughts? talk about secure messaging apps'' Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
-When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w|Alice and Bob|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It is unclear how it enforces this restriction, but looks suspiciously as if the app actually bases this on the names of the phone owners. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob.  The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones|xkcd Phones]].
+When teaching encryption / cryptography, it is common to use a story about sending messages from {{w|Alice and Bob|Alice to Bob}} (Party "A" and Party "B" respectively). Cueball claims to have created a texting app that only allows for this one thing. It does not, however, allow "Bob" to reply, making the usefulness of the app questionable at best. It is unclear how it enforces the name restriction, but it is possible that the app figures out the name of the phone's owner. The title text mentions Eve, who in the typical story represents an "eavesdropper", someone who attempts to intercept the messages between Alice and Bob.  The fact that persons named Eve are 'forbidden' from installing the app suggests that it might not actually be as secure as Cueball advertises -- it may be that he naively thinks that it's just the name that makes the eavesdropper, and that by excluding all Eves, Alice's messages to Bob will remain private. It is not clear which phones will support this app, but it appears to be perfectly suited for the [[:Category:xkcd Phones|xkcd Phones]].
 Note also that Eve being forbidden to install the app parallels another Eve being forbidden to eat an apple (an app-le?) in a common retelling of the Biblical story of the Garden of Eden (though the actual Biblical text doesn't refer to an apple).  Spoiler alert: The Biblical Eve ate the forbidden fruit anyway, and this Eve is probably going to install the app anyway...