2975: Classical Periodic Table - Revision history

MinersHavenM43 at 02:25, 16 October 2025

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172.71.26.55: /* Explanation / ...went and checked. I'd slightly* misremembered!

2024-09-28T16:54:33Z

‎Explanation: ...went and checked. I'd *slightly* misremembered!

172.70.90.208: /* Table Sections */ Oh, go on. Have some more info. Too much? If so, scrap this(/these) bits as you see fit.

2024-09-28T16:52:09Z

‎Table Sections: Oh, go on. Have some more info. Too much? If so, scrap this(/these) bits as you see fit.

172.70.85.31: /* Table Sections */ As we're later talking of symbols, adding a column for it. (The scope="col" isn't so necessary here, BTW, but repeating it for consistency.) Further tweaks, regarding the linguistic roots.

2024-09-28T16:32:47Z

‎Table Sections: As we're later talking of symbols, adding a column for it. (The scope="col" isn't so necessary here, BTW, but repeating it for consistency.) Further tweaks, regarding the linguistic roots.

172.71.26.55: /* Table Sections / If mentioning W and F, then clarify the E and A. And give some historical information to cover all* the bases. (Update if anything forthcoming in the 119+ range gets a "W_" symbol, eventually?)

2024-09-28T16:21:04Z

‎Table Sections: If mentioning W and F, then clarify the E and A. And give some historical information to cover *all* the bases. (Update if anything forthcoming in the 119+ range gets a "W_" symbol, eventually?)

CategoryGeneral: Symbols

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-In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from the germanic "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in; "Tungsten" is of swedish origin) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its latin-derived name was coined for how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) symbolically just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtoposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.
+In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from the germanic "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in; "Tungsten" is of swedish origin) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its latin-derived name was coined for how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) symbolically just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtaposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.
 The classical elements (and, as early chemistry developed, some of the earliest known current periodic-table elements) were often given pictorial symbols as a shorthand/code as befit the select, exclusive and secretive nature of that time's alchemical arts. Just one of these representations used a figurative set of triangles: upward-pointing for air and fire, downward-pointing for earth and water, with air and earth having a line across, to give 🜁, 🜂, 🜃 and 🜄.

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 Here, Randall has taken a modern periodic table and merged and color-coded the modern elements to represent the four classical elements, leaving only the edges and boundaries between dissimilar regions. Gaseous elements such as hydrogen are colored light blue for "air". Bromine and mercury, the two elements that remain liquid at room temperature and pressure, are colored dark blue for "water". Radioactive elements along the bottom of the table whose isotopes have only extremely short half-lives are red for "fire", with the rest of the chart filled in brown for "earth". The "earth" region includes many elements which are radioactive but have isotopes whose half-lives are greater than 1 day.  (All elements also have radioactive isotopes with much shorter half-lives, but most of the universe's supply of any given element will tend to be its longest-lived isotope, since others rapidly decay.)
-The title text says that mercury should be classified as "wet earth". While it's a liquid, it has a very high surface tension so even large drops will stick together and may seem almost like a gel. Additionally, as evidenced by a {{w|Pseudoscience|very trustworthy source}}[https://what-if.xkcd.com/50/], mercury is functionally a solid for many fluid purposes, including boating.
+The title text says that mercury should be classified as "wet earth". While it's a liquid, it has a very high surface tension so even large drops will stick together and may seem almost like a gel. Additionally, as evidenced by a {{w|Pseudoscience|very trustworthy source}}[https://what-if.xkcd.com/50/], mercury (at room temperature) is functionally a solid for many fluid purposes, including boating.
 ===Table Sections===
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 This comic is similar to [[2913: Periodic Table Regions]], which also groups elements using unconventional methods. The classical elements have been a topic of previous comics, such as [[965: Elements]]
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 :* F: Fire: red-orange: Astatine, Francium, and everything from Nobelium onwards (radioactive).
 :* E: Earth: brown: everything else, covers majority of the diagram.
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 ==Transcript==
 :[Header:]
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 :Classical Periodic Table
-:[A diagram in the shape of the periodic table of elements is split into labeled colored regions.  Each region is labeled with a large letter over a word in smaller letters.]
+:[A diagram in the shape of the periodic table of elements is split into labeled colored regions.  Each region is labeled with a large letter over a word in smaller letters. The colored regions are discontinuous with respect to the elements they cover.]
 :[The regions and colors are as follows:]

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 | Water || W || One metal and one nonmetal || Bromine, Mercury || These elements are liquid at room temperature, so they are grouped into “water”.
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-| Fire || F || One alkali metal and many synthetic metals || Astatine, Francium, Nobelium, Lawrencium, Rutherfordium, Dubnium, Seaborgium, Bohrium, Hassium, Meitnerium, Darmstadtium, Roentgenium, Copernicium, Nihonium, Flerovium, Moscovium, Livermorium, Tennessine, Oganesson || These are all highly radioactive metals (with perhaps an exception for Astatine and Oganesson<!-- not metals? not highly radioactive? ...might want to explain -->) with the most stable isotope having a half-life less than one day and a tendency to violently decompose, hence they are classified as "fire". Any unshielded exposure to them tends to include severe burns, be they radiation or otherwise.
+| Fire || F || One alkali metal and many synthetic metals || Astatine, Francium, Nobelium, Lawrencium, Rutherfordium, Dubnium, Seaborgium, Bohrium, Hassium, Meitnerium, Darmstadtium, Roentgenium, Copernicium, Nihonium, Flerovium, Moscovium, Livermorium, Tennessine, Oganesson || These are all highly radioactive metals (with perhaps an exception for astatine and oganesson, which may be metalloids or nonmetals) with the most stable isotope having a half-life less than one day and a tendency to violently decompose, hence they are classified as "fire". Any unshielded exposure to them tends to include severe burns, be they radiation or otherwise.
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 | Earth || E || Most metals and metalloids || All other elements || Most of the periodic table consists of solid metals (and a few solid metalloids and nonmetals) which collectively make up most of the planet "{{w|Earth}}" and the life-forms living on it (in combination with each other and several of the marked non-earth elements).

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	In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from the germanic "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in; "Tungsten" is of swedish origin) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its latin-derived name was coined for how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) symbolically just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtoposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.		In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from the germanic "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in; "Tungsten" is of swedish origin) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its latin-derived name was coined for how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) symbolically just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtoposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.
		+
		+	The classical elements (and, as early chemistry developed, some of the earliest known current periodic-table elements) were often given pictorial symbols as a shorthand/code as befit the select, exclusive and secretive nature of that time's alchemical arts. Just one of these representations used a figurative set of triangles: upward-pointing for air and fire, downward-pointing for earth and water, with fire and water having a line across, to give 🜁, 🜂, 🜃 and 🜄.

	This comic is similar to [[2913: Periodic Table Regions]], which also groups elements using unconventional methods. The classical elements have been a topic of previous comics, such as [[965: Elements]]		This comic is similar to [[2913: Periodic Table Regions]], which also groups elements using unconventional methods. The classical elements have been a topic of previous comics, such as [[965: Elements]]

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 ! scope="col" | Section in Randall’s Table
 ! scope="col" | Periodic table groups
 ! scope="col" | Elements contained
 ! scope="col" | Explanation
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-| Air || All noble gases and most reactive nonmetals || Hydrogen, Helium, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Fluorine, Neon, Chlorine, Argon, Krypton, Xenon, Radon || These elements are a gas at room temperature, so they are grouped into "air".
+| Air || A || All noble gases and most reactive nonmetals || Hydrogen, Helium, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Fluorine, Neon, Chlorine, Argon, Krypton, Xenon, Radon || These elements are a gas at room temperature, so they are grouped into "air".
 |-
-| Water || One metal and one nonmetal || Bromine, Mercury || These elements are liquid at room temperature, so they are grouped into “water”.
+| Water || W || One metal and one nonmetal || Bromine, Mercury || These elements are liquid at room temperature, so they are grouped into “water”.
 |-
-| Fire || One alkali metal and many synthetic metals || Astatine, Francium, Nobelium, Lawrencium, Rutherfordium, Dubnium, Seaborgium, Bohrium, Hassium, Meitnerium, Darmstadtium, Roentgenium, Copernicium, Nihonium, Flerovium, Moscovium, Livermorium, Tennessine, Oganesson || These are all highly radioactive metals (with perhaps an exception for Astatine and Oganesson<!-- not metals? not highly radioactive? ...might want to explain -->) with the most stable isotope having a half-life less than one day and a tendency to violently decompose, hence they are classified as "fire". Any unshielded exposure to them tends to include severe burns, be they radiation or otherwise.
+| Fire || F || One alkali metal and many synthetic metals || Astatine, Francium, Nobelium, Lawrencium, Rutherfordium, Dubnium, Seaborgium, Bohrium, Hassium, Meitnerium, Darmstadtium, Roentgenium, Copernicium, Nihonium, Flerovium, Moscovium, Livermorium, Tennessine, Oganesson || These are all highly radioactive metals (with perhaps an exception for Astatine and Oganesson<!-- not metals? not highly radioactive? ...might want to explain -->) with the most stable isotope having a half-life less than one day and a tendency to violently decompose, hence they are classified as "fire". Any unshielded exposure to them tends to include severe burns, be they radiation or otherwise.
 |-
-| Earth || Most metals and metalloids || All other elements || Most of the periodic table consists of solid metals (and a few solid metalloids and nonmetals) which collectively make up most of the planet "{{w|Earth}}" and the life-forms living on it (in combination with each other and several of the marked non-earth elements).
+| Earth || E || Most metals and metalloids || All other elements || Most of the periodic table consists of solid metals (and a few solid metalloids and nonmetals) which collectively make up most of the planet "{{w|Earth}}" and the life-forms living on it (in combination with each other and several of the marked non-earth elements).
 |}
-In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its name derived from how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) given just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtoposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.
+In actual chemistry, the symbol "W" is used for tungsten (from the germanic "Wolfram", taken from the traditional name of the ore-stone that tungsten was originally found in; "Tungsten" is of swedish origin) and "F" is the symbol for fluorine (its latin-derived name was coined for how its common minerals were used to help other smelted ores to 'flow', by lowering the melting point of the mixture). There are no chemical elements currently given the letters "A" or "E", although there are a number of two-character symbols that start with these (and also "F", but none for "W"). Argon, erbium and einsteinium were at certain times (and places) symbolically just their initial letters alone, however, in juxtoposition to "Wo" once having been used for wolfram.
 This comic is similar to [[2913: Periodic Table Regions]], which also groups elements using unconventional methods. The classical elements have been a topic of previous comics, such as [[965: Elements]]

2975: Classical Periodic Table - Revision history

MinersHavenM43 at 02:25, 16 October 2025

CategoryGeneral: The FAQ says Trivia should be under Transcript.

Xurkitree10: /* Transcript */

Xurkitree10: /* Transcript */

Whoop whoop pull up: /* Table Sections */

172.71.26.55: /* Explanation */ ...went and checked. I'd *slightly* misremembered!

172.70.90.208: /* Table Sections */ Oh, go on. Have some more info. Too much? If so, scrap this(/these) bits as you see fit.

172.70.85.31: /* Table Sections */ As we're later talking of symbols, adding a column for it. (The scope="col" isn't so necessary here, BTW, but repeating it for consistency.) Further tweaks, regarding the linguistic roots.

172.71.26.55: /* Table Sections */ If mentioning W and F, then clarify the E and A. And give some historical information to cover *all* the bases. (Update if anything forthcoming in the 119+ range gets a "W_" symbol, eventually?)

CategoryGeneral: Symbols

172.71.26.55: /* Explanation / ...went and checked. I'd slightly* misremembered!

172.71.26.55: /* Table Sections / If mentioning W and F, then clarify the E and A. And give some historical information to cover all* the bases. (Update if anything forthcoming in the 119+ range gets a "W_" symbol, eventually?)