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‎Explanation: Don't like "The joke is..." unimaginative and far too common* paragraph starts, but even worse is the 'grammatical filler' of "So, ..." (*Maybe "The humour derives from …", "A fun new interpretation is …", "Randall twists the …”)

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 ==Explanation==
-Mph ({{w|miles per hour}}) and {{w|Knot (unit)|knot}}s (''nautical miles'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w|Miles per hour|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds.
+Mph ({{w|miles per hour}}) and {{w|Knot (unit)|knot}}s (''{{w|nautical mile}}s'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w|Miles per hour|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds.
 This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828.

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 Knots are related to the circumference of the Earth, which can introduce ''π'', but this is only "useful" if you want to express your speed as a fraction of the radius of the Earth: 1 knot = 1 nautical mile per hour = 1/60 of a degree of Earth's circumference per hour = 1/21,600 of Earth's circumference per hour = 2''π''/21,600 x Earth's radius per hour. However, nowadays this is an approximation, because a nautical mile is defined as exactly 1852 m, which is not exactly 1/60 of a degree of Earth's circumference.
-The observation of the interesting near identity between MPH and knots in the comic is misleading, because it is not exact, but only correct to a certain percentage, unlike the identity it is compared to: {{w|Euler's Identity}}, which is exact and expresses a deep mathematical insight, which is what makes the latter truly remarkable. The former is nothing but an unimpressive, if mildly interesting coincidence. This isn't helped by the fact that the comic carries the implication that this neat, easy-to-remember identity is actually useful for sailors, when really, being easy to remember is all it has going for it: it doesn't make calculations any easier, it is impossible to do without a calculator or paper, and doing it on paper is much harder than other conversions, given that ''π'' and ''e'' are both irrational and transcendental. Finally and most importantly, this conversion between knots and MPH is far far less accurate than the typical conversion factor used, i.e. 1.1508, which is accurate to within 0.00179%; about 280x better than Randall's. This can make a huge difference on shipping routes, which can be hundreds or thousands of miles long.
+The observation of the interesting near identity between MPH and knots in the comic is misleading, because it is not exact, but only correct to a certain percentage, unlike the identity it is compared to: {{w|Euler's Identity}}, which is exact and expresses a deep mathematical insight, which is what makes the latter truly remarkable. The former is nothing but an unimpressive, if mildly interesting coincidence. This isn't helped by the fact that the comic carries the implication that this neat, easy-to-remember identity is actually useful for sailors, when really, being easy to remember is all it has going for it: it doesn't make calculations any easier, it is impossible to do without a calculator or paper, and doing it on paper is much harder than other conversions, given that ''π'' and ''e'' are both {{w|Irrational number|irrational}} and {{w|Transcendental number|transcendental}}. Finally and most importantly, this conversion between knots and MPH is far far less accurate than the typical conversion factor used, i.e. 1.1508, which is accurate to within 0.00179%; about 280x better than Randall's. This can make a huge difference on shipping routes, which can be hundreds or thousands of miles long.
 The title text furthers the joke that this identity between MPH and knots is truly fundamental, but through faulty logic. Whenever ''π'' shows up in an equation, the claim made by many mathematicians is that there is a circle hiding somewhere in the math. Randall says that ''π'' is coming from the fact that nautical miles are based on the fact that the Earth is round, and shipping routes over its surface are circular. As profound as this sounds, it makes no mathematical sense at all. He also claims that ''e'' is in the equation because 'Earth' starts with an E, which is nothing but word play.

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 This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828.
 The equality shown in this strip consists of several different parts:
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 ''π'' mph × (1609.344 meters/statute mile ÷ 1852 meters/nautical mile) ≈ 2.729969 knots. The result is only about 0.43% larger than ''e'' knots ≈ 2.71828 knots.
 Randall has in the past made similar observations of different dimensions that equal each other with comics such as [[687: Dimensional Analysis]], where he compares {{w|Planck energy}}, the pressure at Earth's core, the gas mileage in a Prius, and the width of the English Channel to ''π''. In addition, in [[What If?]], he has compared the mass of Earth to be ''π'' "milliJupiters," or ''π'' times the mass of Jupiter divided by 1000, and noted that the volume of a cube with side lengths of one mile is roughly similar to the volume of a sphere with a radius of 1 kilometer. In [[217: e to the pi Minus pi]] and [[1047: Approximations]], Randall gives a lot of similar numerical approximations.

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 Mph ({{w|miles per hour}}) and {{w|Knot (unit)|knot}}s (''nautical miles'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w|Miles per hour|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds.
-This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828. Despite the claim of the title text, this is a coincidence, since even though knots are based on nautical miles, which are related to degrees of latitude (and thus to ''π'', which is used to describe the circumference of a circle), miles per hour have no relation to either ''e'' or ''π''.
+This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828.
 The equality shown in this strip consists of several different parts:

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 Mph ({{w|miles per hour}}) and {{w|Knot (unit)|knot}}s (''nautical miles'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w|Miles per hour|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds.
-This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828. Despite the claim of the title text, this is a coincidence, since even though knots are based on nautical miles, which are related to degrees of latitude (and thus to ''π'', which is used to describe the circumference of a circle), miles per hour have no relation to either ''e'' or ''π''. Furthermore, the title text makes the connection to ''e'' by mentioning "Earth (e)", but e is not a symbol or abbreviation commonly used for Earth, and even if it were, it has nothing to do with Euler's number ''e''. Randall also conflates "circle" with "sphere" for simplicity, as they both have a radius that can be measured with ''π''.
+This could be done in the form of 1 knot = 1.2 mph, or 1 mph = 0.87 knots (1 knot = 1.85 km/h and 1 km/h = 0.54 knots for metric navigators). [[Randall]] has humorously noticed that ''π'' mph ≈ {{w|E_(mathematical_constant)|''e''}} knots: ''π'' mph = [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pi+mph+in+knots 2.72997] knots, while ''e'' ≈ 2.71828. Despite the claim of the title text, this is a coincidence, since even though knots are based on nautical miles, which are related to degrees of latitude (and thus to ''π'', which is used to describe the circumference of a circle), miles per hour have no relation to either ''e'' or ''π''.
 The equality shown in this strip consists of several different parts:

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 Knots are related to the circumference of the Earth, which can introduce ''π'', but this is only "useful" if you want to express your speed as a fraction of the radius of the Earth: 1 knot = 1 nautical mile per hour = 1/60 of a degree of Earth's circumference per hour = 1/21,600 of Earth's circumference per hour = 2''π''/21,600 x Earth's radius per hour. However, nowadays this is an approximation, because a nautical mile is defined as exactly 1852 m, which is not exactly 1/60 of a degree of Earth's circumference.
 The joke is that the interesting identity between MPH and knots in the comic is not exact, but only correct to a certain percentage, unlike the identity it is compared to: {{w|Euler's Identity}}, which is exact and expresses a deep mathematical insight, which is what makes the latter truly remarkable. The former is nothing but an unimpressive, if mildly interesting coincidence; merely a novelty. This isn't helped by the fact that the comic carries the implication that this neat, easy-to-remember identity is actually useful for sailors, when really, being easy to remember is all it has going for it: it doesn't make calculations any easier, it is impossible to do without a calculator or paper, and doing it on paper is much harder than other conversions, given that ''π'' and ''e'' are both irrational and transcendental. Finally and most importantly, this conversion between knots and MPH is far far less accurate than the typical conversion factor used, i.e. 1.1508, which is accurate to within 0.00179%; about 280x better than Randall's. This can make a huge difference on shipping routes, which can be hundreds or thousands of miles long.
 The title text furthers the joke that this identity between MPH and knots is truly fundamental, but through faulty logic. Whenever ''π'' shows up in an equation, the claim made by many mathematicians is that there is a circle hiding somewhere in the math. Randall says that ''π'' is coming from the fact that nautical miles are based on the fact that the Earth is round, and shipping routes over its surface are circular. As profound as this sounds, it makes no mathematical sense at all. He also claims that ''e'' is in the equation because 'Earth' starts with an E; nothing but 'word play'.
 Arguably, as safe operating speeds for particular aircraft/watercraft may bear little relationship to (for example) road vehicle speeds, it might be better just to develop a separate 'air sense' (perhaps mostly at higher velocities, far above any landmark that you might pass by) or 'water sense' (often at lower velocities, and with the particular fluid nature of the water's surface) that is keyed especially to the knots-rated speed of your vessel, without attempting to carry over this aspect of any pre-existing 'road sense'. One hopefully ''rare'' exception might possibly be in the event of a plane having to make an emergency landing on a public highway, where it could be useful to know if a (possibly unpowered) plane's final landing speed can be made to be not too far off that of any unsuspecting road traffic that you may have to land in the midst of; but this would never be a trivial endeavour in any case, and even having to attempt such a feat probably means you have few options open to you and very little time to consider many of these finer details.

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	Mph ({{w\|miles per hour}}) and {{w\|Knot (unit)\|knot}}s (''nautical miles'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w\|Miles per hour\|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds. Although, as safe operating speeds for particular aircraft/watercraft may bear little relationship to (for example) road-vehicle speeds, it might be arguably better just to develop a separate 'air sense' (perhaps mostly at higher velocities, far above any landmark that you might pass by) or 'water sense' (often at lower velocities, and with the particular fluid nature of the water's surface) that is keyed especially to the knots-rated speed of your vessel, without attempting to carry over this aspect of any pre-existing 'road sense'.		Mph ({{w\|miles per hour}}) and {{w\|Knot (unit)\|knot}}s (''nautical miles'' per hour) are both units used to express speed, including that of vehicles. Miles per hour are typically used in the {{w\|Miles per hour\|US, UK and some smaller countries}} for the speed of cars and other similar vehicles, while knots are used by many sailors and pilots to describe the speed of ships and aircraft. Novice sailors or pilots, or those who spend a lot of time on land, may find it helpful to quickly convert between mph and knots, in order to relate to typical ground-surface speeds. Although, as safe operating speeds for particular aircraft/watercraft may bear little relationship to (for example) road-vehicle speeds, it might be arguably better just to develop a separate 'air sense' (perhaps mostly at higher velocities, far above any landmark that you might pass by) or 'water sense' (often at lower velocities, and with the particular fluid nature of the water's surface) that is keyed especially to the knots-rated speed of your vessel, without attempting to carry over this aspect of any pre-existing 'road sense'.

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 Randall has in the past made similar observations of different dimensions that equal each other with comics such as [[687: Dimensional Analysis]], where he compares {{w|Planck energy}}, the pressure at Earth's core, the gas mileage in a Prius, and the width of the English Channel to ''π''. In addition, in [[What If?]], he has compared the mass of Earth to be ''π'' "milliJupiters," or ''π'' times the mass of Jupiter divided by 1000, and noted that the volume of a cube with side lengths of one mile is roughly similar to the volume of a sphere with a radius of 1 kilometer. In [[217: e to the pi Minus pi]] and [[1047: Approximations]], Randall gives a lot of similar numerical approximations.
-So, the joke is that the interesting identity between MPH and knots in the comic is not exact, but only correct to a certain percentage, unlike the identity it is compared to: {{w|Euler's Identity}}, which is exact and expresses a deep mathematical insight, which is what makes the latter truly remarkable. The former is nothing but an unimpressive, if mildly interesting coincidence; merely a novelty. This isn't helped by the fact that the comic carries the implication that this neat, easy-to-remember identity is actually useful for sailors, when really, being easy to remember is all it has going for it: it doesn't make calculations any easier, it is impossible to do without a calculator or paper, and doing it on paper is much harder than other conversions, given that ''π'' and ''e'' are both irrational and transcendental. Finally and most importantly, this conversion between knots and MPH is far far less accurate than the typical conversion factor used, i.e. 1.1508, which is accurate to 0.00179%, about 280x better than Randall's. This can make a huge difference on shipping routes, which can be hundreds or thousands of miles long.
+So, the joke is that the interesting identity between MPH and knots in the comic is not exact, but only correct to a certain percentage, unlike the identity it is compared to: {{w|Euler's Identity}}, which is exact and expresses a deep mathematical insight, which is what makes the latter truly remarkable. The former is nothing but an unimpressive, if mildly interesting coincidence; merely a novelty. This isn't helped by the fact that the comic carries the implication that this neat, easy-to-remember identity is actually useful for sailors, when really, being easy to remember is all it has going for it: it doesn't make calculations any easier, it is impossible to do without a calculator or paper, and doing it on paper is much harder than other conversions, given that ''π'' and ''e'' are both irrational and transcendental. Finally and most importantly, this conversion between knots and MPH is far far less accurate than the typical conversion factor used, i.e. 1.1508, which is accurate to within 0.00179%; about 280x better than Randall's. This can make a huge difference on shipping routes, which can be hundreds or thousands of miles long.
 The title text furthers the joke that this identity between MPH and knots is truly fundamental, but through faulty logic. Whenever ''π'' shows up in an equation, the claim made by many mathematicians is that there is a circle hiding somewhere in the math. Randall says that ''π'' is coming from the fact that nautical miles are based on the fact that the Earth is round, and shipping routes over its surface are circular. As profound as this sounds, it makes no mathematical sense at all. He also claims that ''e'' is in the equation because 'Earth' starts with an E; nothing but 'word play'.

3023: The Maritime Approximation - Revision history

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Rustykid52 at 20:14, 17 December 2024

172.70.91.246: /* Explanation */ Don't like "The joke is..." unimaginative and far too common* paragraph starts, but even worse is the 'grammatical filler' of "So, ..." (*Maybe "The humour derives from …", "A fun new interpretation is …", "Randall twists the …”)

Drkaii at 14:59, 15 December 2024

172.70.91.246: /* Explanation / Don't like "The joke is..." unimaginative and far too common paragraph starts, but even worse is the 'grammatical filler' of "So, ..." (*Maybe "The humour derives from …", "A fun new interpretation is …", "Randall twists the …”)