3072: Stargazing 4 - Revision history

Xurkitree10: /* Explanation */

2025-07-30T04:16:08Z

‎Explanation

172.70.91.160: /* Transcript */ Fixing some bad edit-remnants, plus significantly better descriptions (having only half remembered the image details by the time I was eventually into the editor...)

2025-04-24T18:06:43Z

‎Transcript: Fixing some bad edit-remnants, plus significantly better descriptions (having only half remembered the image details by the time I was eventually into the editor...)

FaviFake: oops thx

2025-04-24T17:29:43Z

oops thx

141.101.98.54: Undoing the undo only because the change by the other IP (not me) was not read correctly. It's still (maybe-)Megan as the main figure, this was a background figure seen only in passing. But, because new figures are indistinct, refashioned it slightly.

2025-04-24T16:57:25Z

Undoing the undo *only* because the change by the other IP (not me) was not read correctly. It's still (maybe-)Megan as the main figure, this was a background figure seen only in passing. But, because new figures are indistinct, refashioned it slightly.

FaviFake: Undo revision 374731 by 172.70.248.32 (talk) not explained, the rest of the page still says Megan, see no reason to keep it

2025-04-24T14:16:56Z

Undo revision 374731 by 172.70.248.32 (talk) not explained, the rest of the page still says Megan, see no reason to keep it

172.70.248.32: /* Transcript */

2025-04-24T11:33:46Z

‎Transcript

FaviFake: /* Explanation */ The explanation reads too much like a transcript. Don't be precise in saying what Megan does or doesn't say: only mention the parts that need to be explained to the reader

2025-04-17T17:53:22Z

‎Explanation: The explanation reads too much like a transcript. Don't be precise in saying what Megan does or doesn't say: only mention the parts that need to be explained to the reader

172.69.6.246: Tidying and note on galactic core

2025-04-12T08:55:48Z

Tidying and note on galactic core

MinersHavenM43 at 00:09, 11 April 2025

2025-04-11T00:09:22Z

172.68.12.168: Transcript seems good.

2025-04-09T18:48:07Z

Transcript seems good.

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	==Explanation==		==Explanation==
−	~~{{incomplete\|The explanation reads too much like a transcript. Don't be precise in saying what Megan does or doesn't say: only mention the parts that need to be explained to the reader.}}~~
	This is the fourth comic in the [[:Category:Stargazing\|Stargazing]] series, following [[2274: Stargazing 3]] which came out five years before. That was the longest time between two comics in the series so far.		This is the fourth comic in the [[:Category:Stargazing\|Stargazing]] series, following [[2274: Stargazing 3]] which came out five years before. That was the longest time between two comics in the series so far.

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 :Megan: I guess some losers just hate cool space facts!
-:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. The background zoomed out, Hairy-like and Danish-like figures are seen further beyond Cueball and Ponytail are on the left, White Hat and someone like Hairbun are on the right. All of the characters are drawn in a more contrasting shade.]
+:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. The background zoomed out, Hairy-like and Danish-like figures are seen standing further beyond Cueball and Ponytail on the left, White Hat has Hairbun to his right. All of the background characters are drawn as solid black silhouettes against the sky.]
 :Megan: Anyway, that dot is a "star."
 :Megan: There are over 20 stars in the sky, and some of them are more than 100 years old.

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 ==Transcript==
 :[The background is black, Megan is in front of three others, Cueball and Ponytail to the left, and White Hat to the right. Megan is drawn in white while the background characters are in grey.]
 :Megan: Welcome back to Stargazing.

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 :Megan: I guess some losers just hate cool space facts!
-:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. Hairy, a Megan-like woman (with longer hair), Cueball, and Ponytail are on the left, White Hat and Hairbun are on the right. All of the characters are drawn in black.]
+:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. The background zoomed out, Hairy-like and Danish-like figures are seen further beyond Cueball and Ponytail are on the left, White Hat and someone like Hairbun are on the right. All of the characters are drawn in a more contrasting shade.]
 :Megan: Anyway, that dot is a "star."
 :Megan: There are over 20 stars in the sky, and some of them are more than 100 years old.

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 :Megan: I guess some losers just hate cool space facts!
-:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. Hairy, Danish, Cueball, and Ponytail are on the left, White Hat and Hairbun are on the right. All of the characters are drawn in black.]
+:[The sky is white, the floor is black, Megan is pointing at the sky. Hairy, a Megan-like woman (with longer hair), Cueball, and Ponytail are on the left, White Hat and Hairbun are on the right. All of the characters are drawn in black.]
 :Megan: Anyway, that dot is a "star."
 :Megan: There are over 20 stars in the sky, and some of them are more than 100 years old.

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 ==Explanation==
-{{incomplete|Created by a 1-STAR YELP REVIEW. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
+{{incomplete|The explanation reads too much like a transcript. Don't be precise in saying what Megan does or doesn't say: only mention the parts that need to be explained to the reader.}}
 This is the fourth comic in the [[:Category:Stargazing|Stargazing]] series, following [[2274: Stargazing 3]] which came out five years before. That was the longest time between two comics in the series so far.

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 ==Explanation==
 {{incomplete|Created by a 1-STAR YELP REVIEW. Do NOT delete this tag too soon.}}
-This is the fourth comic in the [[:Category:Stargazing|Stargazing]] series, following [[2274: Stargazing 3]] which came out five years before. That was the longest stretch between two comics in the series so far.
+This is the fourth comic in the [[:Category:Stargazing|Stargazing]] series, following [[2274: Stargazing 3]] which came out five years before. That was the longest time between two comics in the series so far.
-The host [[Megan]] begins the introduction by referencing rude reviews of her stargazing lessons on {{w|Yelp}}, a popular site for rating businesses such as restaurants. The reviewers doubt that she is actually a qualified astronomer due to how simplistic her lessons are; they claim she is just saying the words that come to mind. She passes these people off as people who "hate cool space facts", as opposed to being people who hate virtually useless space facts.
+The host [[Megan]] begins the introduction by referencing negative reviews of her stargazing lessons on {{w|Yelp}}, a popular site for rating businesses such as restaurants. The reviewers doubt that she is actually a qualified astronomer due to how simplistic her lessons are; they claim she is just saying the words that come to mind. She denigrates these people as people who "hate cool space facts", as opposed to being people who hate virtually useless space facts.
-Then she states that there are over 20 stars in the sky and some of them are over the age of 100. Both of these statements are true, but extreme understatements.
+Then she states that there are over 20 stars in the sky and some of them are over the age of 100. Both of these statements are literally true, but extreme understatements.
 *A few thousand stars are visible to the unaided eye under good viewing conditions, though in a city there ''could'' be less than 20 stars visible even on a clear night.
 :For a normal stargazing session the event should be held in a venue with as little light pollution as possible, which could mean the middle of an urban green space, conveniently away from lighting or else specially arranging for the most inconvenient lighting to be off for the duration. However, given the unprofessional nature of Megan's lessons, there is no guarantee that this session does not take place under less-than-ideal circumstances. Or she is perpetually unlucky as [[1556: The Sky|daylight or clouds]] may further reduce visible stars.
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 Megan states that our galaxy is huge and that there are more grains of sand in the {{w|Milky Way}} than grains of sand on all of Earth's beaches. This [[2733: Size Comparisons|size comparison]] is a parody of the common saying that there are more stars in the visible universe than grains of sand on all the beaches of Earth. Since the Earth's sand is a subset of all of the galaxy's sand, and there are more planets with sand other than Earth (such as Mars), there are unquestionably more grains of sand in the Milky Way than on Earth. Tangentially, it is unclear whether the stars outnumber Earth's sands, as shown here: [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-stars-outnumber-the-sands-of-earths-beaches/ Do Stars Outnumber the Sands of Earth’s Beaches?] and here: [https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-ever-lasting-question-more-sand-or-stars/ The ever-lasting question: more sand or stars?]. Also, the original quote was all the sand on Earth, not just on the beaches.  Megan adds a helpful hint, calling a beach a big wet sandbox.
-She then finishes the lesson by correctly saying that there is a black hole in the center of our galaxy ({{w|Sagittarius A*}}), and that stars sometimes fall in and get consumed by the black hole. When stars come too close to black holes, they experience a {{w|tidal disruption event}} (TDE), where a star is pulled apart ({{w|spaghettification|spaghettified}}) by the black hole after exceeding its tidal radius, or {{w|Roche limit}}. This creates streams of material that orbit the black hole and form an accretion disk that will eventually be consumed by the black hole or ejected in jets.
+She then finishes the lesson by correctly saying that there is a black hole in the center of our galaxy ({{w|Sagittarius A*}}), and that stars sometimes fall into and are consumed by the black hole. When stars come too close to black holes, they experience a {{w|tidal disruption event}} (TDE), where a star is pulled apart ({{w|spaghettification|spaghettified}}) by the black hole after passing its tidal radius, or {{w|Roche limit}}. This creates streams of material that orbit the black hole and form an accretion disk that will eventually be consumed by the black hole or ejected in jets.
 She adds her personal opinion about this fact, saying that such events are "hilarious", and proceeds by saying that it's okay to laugh at the fate of those stars as the gravity of the black hole will prevent any signals from those stars escaping. This is due to black holes' immense gravitational attraction that prevents even light from escaping. In Megan's case the most important consequence of this fact is that anyone on planets around such stars cannot leave Yelp reviews if they hear her laughing. Thus, they cannot add to those that mock her lesson.
-However, as the Roche limit of a black hole for the average star it's consuming is usually greater than the size of the black hole's event horizon ({{w|Schwarzschild radius}}), reviews made just after the star begins spaghettification could still escape the black hole. Not only do stars not use any kind of human-made technology,{{citation needed}} but any information regarding the app Yelp has yet to reach any star near Sagittarius A*, and will do so only after 27,000 years. It is much more likely that someone living on one of the star's planets would try to leave a comment on Yelp, not the star itself, but in any case the same issues with distances would of course apply. It also seems unlikely that any planet would still be following a star when it first gets that close to a supermassive black hole.
+However, as the Roche limit of a black hole for the average star it's consuming is usually greater than the size of the black hole's event horizon ({{w|Schwarzschild radius}}), reviews made just after the star begins spaghettification could still escape the black hole. But not only do stars not use any kind of human-made technology,{{citation needed}} but any information regarding the app Yelp has yet to reach any star near Sagittarius A*, and will do so only after 27,000 years. It is much more likely that someone living on one of the star's planets would try to leave a comment on Yelp, not the star itself, but in any case the same issues with distances would of course apply. It also seems unlikely that any planet would still be following a star when it first gets that close to a supermassive black hole, or indeed that complex life could exist on such a planet in the first place due to high levels of high-energy radiation in the galactic core.
 In the title text Megan claims that we haven't actually seen a star fall into the black hole since we invented telescopes. While it is true that we haven't observed any star fall into our closest supermassive black hole, this phenomenon has been been observed for other black holes, and the {{w|Sagittarius_A*#Discovery_of_G2_gas_cloud_on_an_accretion_course|G2 gas cloud on an accretion course}} was discovered in 2002. Megan also apparently has a list of stars she would like to see fall into the black hole. But she can just keep hoping, as humans at present have no way of changing the position of any star, and probably couldn't implement it soon upon such distant stars even if were possible. So unless she is hoping for one (or more) of the already closer stars to be observed to fall in next, she is unlikely to experience success for stars on her list.