3146: Fantastic Four - Revision history

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R128: Undo conservation of momentum (just read the talk page..)

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Undo conservation of momentum (just read the talk page..)

R128: conservation of momentum

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conservation of momentum

R128: justify oberth effect? a little

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justify oberth effect? a little

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‎Explanation

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+<!-- Proposed: [[Category:Comics featuring Superheroes|The Fantastic Four]] (!-- reference only --)-->

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 ==Explanation==
 The comic makes a pun on the {{w|Oberth effect}}, a phenomenon in orbital mechanics where a spacecraft gains more energy from a propulsion burn when it is moving faster, typically deep within a gravitational well. Essentially, the same amount of fuel produces a larger change in kinetic energy if the burn occurs where the spacecraft’s speed is highest. In spaceflight, the Oberth effect is used to go further with the same amount of fuel, or reduce the fuel requirement to get to a destination.
 In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, the effect of a baby being born is negligible; the shift in the ship’s center of mass is far too small to produce any meaningful reaction-based thrust.
-The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'' (2025), in which the characters go around a neutron star and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it only produces a negligible amount of propulsion boost. The comic frames this as necessary for the crew to return home, since they lack the fuel to make it conventionally.
+The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'', which had come out just a few months before the comic's publishing, in July 2025. In the movie, the characters go around a neutron star due to a lack of fuel and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it only produces a negligible amount of propulsion boost. The comic frames this as necessary for the crew to return home, since they lack the fuel to make it conventionally.
 Additionally, the title text references {{w|time dilation}} to extend the birthday from one day to over two days as seen from Earth, due to traveling at 88% of the speed of light.  So one day is 2.1 days seen from Earth. The day of one's birthday has many perks, such as celebrations.

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 The comic makes a pun on the {{w|Oberth effect}}, a phenomenon in orbital mechanics where a spacecraft gains more energy from a propulsion burn when it is moving faster, typically deep within a gravitational well. Essentially, the same amount of fuel produces a larger change in kinetic energy if the burn occurs where the spacecraft’s speed is highest. In spaceflight, the Oberth effect is used to go further with the same amount of fuel, or reduce the fuel requirement to get to a destination.
-In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, assuming the baby is born and remains inside the craft, {{w|conservation of momentum}} would dictate there would be no net thrust.
+In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, the effect of a baby being born is negligible; the shift in the ship’s center of mass is far too small to produce any meaningful reaction-based thrust.
 The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'' (2025), in which the characters go around a neutron star and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it only produces a negligible amount of propulsion boost. The comic frames this as necessary for the crew to return home, since they lack the fuel to make it conventionally.

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 The comic makes a pun on the {{w|Oberth effect}}, a phenomenon in orbital mechanics where a spacecraft gains more energy from a propulsion burn when it is moving faster, typically deep within a gravitational well. Essentially, the same amount of fuel produces a larger change in kinetic energy if the burn occurs where the spacecraft’s speed is highest. In spaceflight, the Oberth effect is used to go further with the same amount of fuel, or reduce the fuel requirement to get to a destination.
-In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, the effect of a baby being born is negligible; the shift in the ship’s center of mass is far too small to produce any meaningful reaction-based thrust.
+In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, assuming the baby is born and remains inside the craft, {{w|conservation of momentum}} would dictate there would be no net thrust.
 The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'' (2025), in which the characters go around a neutron star and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it only produces a negligible amount of propulsion boost. The comic frames this as necessary for the crew to return home, since they lack the fuel to make it conventionally.

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 The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'' (2025), in which the characters go around a black hole and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it does not produce any actual propulsion boost.
-Additionally, the title text references {{w|time dilation}} to extend the birthday from one day to over two days as seen from Earth, due to traveling at 88% of the speed of light. This combines relativistic physics humor with the pun on propulsion and orbital mechanics.
+Additionally, the title text references {{w|time dilation}} to extend the birthday from one day to over two days as seen from Earth, due to traveling at 88% of the speed of light.  So one day is 2.1 days seen from Earth. The day of one's birthday has many perks, such as celebrations.
 The Oberth effect is also mentioned as a key to escaping Origin in [[2765: Escape Speed]].
 ==Transcript==

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 {{incomplete|Also, explain why Oberth effect is related <!-- didn't we already have that, from several contributors, but it got edited out? -->}}
-The comic is a pun on the {{w|Oberth effect}}, which causes orbital maneuvers to be more efficient when deep into a gravitational well.
+The comic makes a pun on the {{w|Oberth effect}}, a phenomenon in orbital mechanics where a spacecraft gains more energy from a propulsion burn when it is moving faster, typically deep within a gravitational well. Essentially, the same amount of fuel produces a larger change in kinetic energy if the burn occurs where the spacecraft’s speed is highest.
-This effect is probably zero, as the change in the centre of mass of the ship and crew would not constitute a form of effective reaction-based propulsion.{{cn}} <!-- Although, together with a combination of tidal and relativistic effects, it technically ''could'' mean all the difference, on top of actual spacecraft thrust at, in an ''extremely'' finely tuned attempt to escape a gravity well. -->
+In the comic, the joke arises from confusing “birth” with “berth”: it suggests that the baby’s birth provides a propulsion boost to the ship, analogous to how the Oberth effect gives extra efficiency to maneuvers near a gravity well. In reality, the effect of a baby being born is negligible; the shift in the ship’s center of mass is far too small to produce any meaningful reaction-based thrust.
-The title text states that being born at 88% the speed of light results in a birthday that's over two days long. This is due to {{w|time dilation}}: from the perspective of Earth, at 0.88 c, the dilation factor (γ) is 2.1. So one day is 2.1 days seen from Earth. The day of one's birthday has many perks, such as celebrations.
+The comic references the movie ''{{w|The Fantastic Four: First Steps}}'' (2025), in which the characters go around a black hole and a baby is born onboard. While the birth occurs during the journey, it does not produce any actual propulsion boost.
-The Oberth effect was also mentioned as a key to escaping Origin in [[2765: Escape Speed]].
+Additionally, the title text references {{w|time dilation}} to extend the birthday from one day to over two days as seen from Earth, due to traveling at 88% of the speed of light. This combines relativistic physics humor with the pun on propulsion and orbital mechanics.
 ==Transcript==