3180: Apples - Revision history

Maxcodes: I think this explanation is complete.

2026-01-08T20:27:10Z

I think this explanation is complete.

82.132.236.68: /* Explanation */ redoing the new CN in several subtle ways

2026-01-04T16:35:21Z

‎Explanation: redoing the new CN in several subtle ways

103.81.127.98: Added a {{Citation needed}} tag. Does not impend readability.

2026-01-04T10:39:43Z

Added a {{Citation needed}} tag. Does not impend readability.

92.23.2.208: /* Explanation */ Added TVTropes link Somewhat less seriously described than the thing that is often (and here) being parodied, of course...

2025-12-22T23:08:12Z

‎Explanation: Added TVTropes link Somewhat less seriously described than the thing that is often (and here) being parodied, of course...

Trimutius: Mention that some mathematical disciplines do have experimental in their name.

2025-12-18T15:47:50Z

Mention that some mathematical disciplines do have experimental in their name.

82.132.237.93: /* Explanation */ Caveats

2025-12-16T16:55:04Z

‎Explanation: Caveats

BunsenH: /* Explanation */ tweaked grammar

2025-12-16T15:21:45Z

‎Explanation: tweaked grammar

Take The A Train To Watertown: I researched the train schedules

2025-12-16T05:38:45Z

I researched the train schedules

Fephisto: Hooo boy, let's see how mad people get with my second Wikipedia link, or if they get the humor.

2025-12-15T22:26:06Z

Hooo boy, let's see how mad people get with my second Wikipedia link, or if they get the humor.

78.144.255.82: /* Explanation */ Hash Mark is the # symbol, so was incorrectly disambiguated. Using the main term, to avoid confusion.

2025-12-15T19:18:41Z

‎Explanation: Hash Mark is the # symbol, so was incorrectly disambiguated. Using the main term, to avoid confusion.

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	Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w\|word problem (mathematics education)\|be described}} to an elementary school class:{{Citation needed}} "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.		Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w\|word problem (mathematics education)\|be described}} to an elementary school class:{{Citation needed}} "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.

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-Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w|word problem (mathematics education)|be described}} to an elementary school class{{citation_needed}}: "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.
+Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w|word problem (mathematics education)|be described}} to an elementary school class:{{Citation needed}} "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.
 The root of the joke is the conflation of mathematics, an abstract framework (according to {{w|Mathematical Platonism}}), with sciences like physics or chemistry that describe real world phenomena and that require experimental confirmation. Many disciplines of mathematics related to that would have word 'experimental' in their name, such as [https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/sp958-lide/132-134.pdf experimental statistics]. In the context of the comic, because most sciences have both theoretical and experimental wings, {{w|computer science|mathematics should as well}}, with a humorous example of what "experimental mathematics" would look like. In this case Cueball and Hairbun are literally "testing" the concept of addition by reenacting a word problem in a mathematics textbook. This physical experiment itself is humorous because there is no mathematical difference between adding groups of apples or groups of {{w|tally marks}} on a piece of paper, but the characters would likely consider the latter to be "theoretical".

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-Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w|word problem (mathematics education)|be described}} to an elementary school class: "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.
+Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w|word problem (mathematics education)|be described}} to an elementary school class{{citation_needed}}: "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.
 The root of the joke is the conflation of mathematics, an abstract framework (according to {{w|Mathematical Platonism}}), with sciences like physics or chemistry that describe real world phenomena and that require experimental confirmation. Many disciplines of mathematics related to that would have word 'experimental' in their name, such as [https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/sp958-lide/132-134.pdf experimental statistics]. In the context of the comic, because most sciences have both theoretical and experimental wings, {{w|computer science|mathematics should as well}}, with a humorous example of what "experimental mathematics" would look like. In this case Cueball and Hairbun are literally "testing" the concept of addition by reenacting a word problem in a mathematics textbook. This physical experiment itself is humorous because there is no mathematical difference between adding groups of apples or groups of {{w|tally marks}} on a piece of paper, but the characters would likely consider the latter to be "theoretical".

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 There are real-world cases where "basic addition" doesn't give the mathematical result, when combining certain items that aren't uniform. When measured volumes of two different substances are combined to make a solution (that are not immiscible, but do form a new compound or exchange constituents) this can result in a volume of the end solution that differs from the sum of the original volumes. When measured volumes of nearly-freezing and nearly-boiling water are combined, the resulting liquid, at an intermediate temperature, will almost always be {{w|Properties of water#Density of water and ice|measurably different}} from the sum of the prior values.
-The title text confirms the comic's point of experimentally reenacting mathematics textbook word problems by reference to the "Two Trains Problem", a popular type of question to teach students how to solve {{w|System of linear equations|simultaneous linear equations}}, which has previously been alluded to in [[2019: An Apple for a Dollar]]. A [https://mathseasy.quora.com/If-a-train-leaves-station-A-at-9-00-am-and-travels-at-60-miles-per-hour-and-another-train-leaves-station-B-at-10-00-am typical question of this type] asks “If a train leaves station A at 9:00 am and travels at 60 miles per hour, and another train leaves station B at 10:00 am and travels at 80 miles per hour, where will the two trains meet if station A and B are 200 miles apart?” This type of problem is so common that it became a pre-internet meme with many references in popular culture, so Randall has to provide only the setup ("trains leaving Chicago at 9 pm traveling at 45 mph") to be reasonably sure that the reader will know what he's talking about.
+The title text confirms the comic's point of experimentally reenacting mathematics textbook word problems by reference to the "Two Trains Problem", a {{tvtropes|TrainProblem|popular type}} of question to teach students how to solve {{w|System of linear equations|simultaneous linear equations}}, which has previously been alluded to in [[2019: An Apple for a Dollar]]. A [https://mathseasy.quora.com/If-a-train-leaves-station-A-at-9-00-am-and-travels-at-60-miles-per-hour-and-another-train-leaves-station-B-at-10-00-am typical question of this type] asks “If a train leaves station A at 9:00 am and travels at 60 miles per hour, and another train leaves station B at 10:00 am and travels at 80 miles per hour, where will the two trains meet if station A and B are 200 miles apart?” This type of problem is so common that it became a pre-internet meme with many references in popular culture, so Randall has to provide only the setup ("trains leaving Chicago at 9 pm traveling at 45 mph") to be reasonably sure that the reader will know what he's talking about.
 Unlike apples, chartering real life trains to leave both Chicago and another city to test that class of word problem would present enormous expense to the experimental mathematics department, as there is no scheduled train departing at exactly 9 PM - the closest that run are a weekend Rock Island train at 8:55 PM, a weekday South Shore Line at 9:03 PM, or possibly a Kensington-branch Metra Electric at 9:00 AM. This expense again implies that the experimental mathematics department is not content with any abstraction, such as using model trains, and must test the word problems as written.

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 Three "experimental mathematicians" have experimentally confirmed the answer to a mathematical query that might normally {{w|word problem (mathematics education)|be described}} to an elementary school class: "If [[Cueball]] has seven apples and [[Hairbun]] has five, how many apples are there in total?" With everyone having literally brought together their stated number of apples, Cueball counts the two groups of apples and states that the total is twelve. [[Blondie]] is very excited that this real world demonstration has perfect agreement with some theory, presumably arithmetic.
-The root of the joke is the conflation of mathematics, an abstract framework (according to {{w|Mathematical Platonism}}), with sciences like physics or chemistry that describe real world phenomena and that require experimental confirmation. In the context of the comic, because most sciences have both theoretical and experimental wings, {{w|computer science|mathematics should as well}}, with a humorous example of what "experimental mathematics" would look like. In this case Cueball and Hairbun are literally "testing" the concept of addition by reenacting a word problem in a mathematics textbook. This physical experiment itself is humorous because there is no mathematical difference between adding groups of apples or groups of {{w|tally marks}} on a piece of paper, but the characters would likely consider the latter to be "theoretical".
+The root of the joke is the conflation of mathematics, an abstract framework (according to {{w|Mathematical Platonism}}), with sciences like physics or chemistry that describe real world phenomena and that require experimental confirmation. Many disciplines of mathematics related to that would have word 'experimental' in their name, such as [https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/sp958-lide/132-134.pdf experimental statistics]. In the context of the comic, because most sciences have both theoretical and experimental wings, {{w|computer science|mathematics should as well}}, with a humorous example of what "experimental mathematics" would look like. In this case Cueball and Hairbun are literally "testing" the concept of addition by reenacting a word problem in a mathematics textbook. This physical experiment itself is humorous because there is no mathematical difference between adding groups of apples or groups of {{w|tally marks}} on a piece of paper, but the characters would likely consider the latter to be "theoretical".
 A different take on the joke is that mathematics is inherently experimental, but the "experiments" take the form of rigorously proving concepts, including something as basic as addition, {{w|Foundations of mathematics|from first principles}}. From this angle one would find humor in the fact that the three characters are testing math with physical objects instead of referring to the established proofs.

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 The irony is that some aspects of mathematics ''are'' experimental in the manner depicted in the cartoon. Children are often taught that the angles of a triangle sum to 180° by tearing off the points of a paper triangle and using them to construct a straight line. Some aspects of computer science can also be considered "experimental mathematics", especially at the circuit level where binary logic can be physically used to perform mathematical computation.
-There are real-world cases where "basic addition" doesn't give the mathematical result, when combining certain items that aren't uniform. When measured volumes of two different substances are combined to make a solution, this usually results in a volume of the end solution that differs from the sum of the original volumes. When measured volumes of nearly-freezing and nearly-boiling water are combined, the resulting liquid, at an intermediate temperature, will almost always be {{w|Properties of water#Density of water and ice|measurably different}} from the sum of the prior values.
+There are real-world cases where "basic addition" doesn't give the mathematical result, when combining certain items that aren't uniform. When measured volumes of two different substances are combined to make a solution (that are not immiscible, but do form a new compound or exchange constituents) this can result in a volume of the end solution that differs from the sum of the original volumes. When measured volumes of nearly-freezing and nearly-boiling water are combined, the resulting liquid, at an intermediate temperature, will almost always be {{w|Properties of water#Density of water and ice|measurably different}} from the sum of the prior values.
 The title text confirms the comic's point of experimentally reenacting mathematics textbook word problems by reference to the "Two Trains Problem", a popular type of question to teach students how to solve {{w|System of linear equations|simultaneous linear equations}}, which has previously been alluded to in [[2019: An Apple for a Dollar]]. A [https://mathseasy.quora.com/If-a-train-leaves-station-A-at-9-00-am-and-travels-at-60-miles-per-hour-and-another-train-leaves-station-B-at-10-00-am typical question of this type] asks “If a train leaves station A at 9:00 am and travels at 60 miles per hour, and another train leaves station B at 10:00 am and travels at 80 miles per hour, where will the two trains meet if station A and B are 200 miles apart?” This type of problem is so common that it became a pre-internet meme with many references in popular culture, so Randall has to provide only the setup ("trains leaving Chicago at 9 pm traveling at 45 mph") to be reasonably sure that the reader will know what he's talking about.

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 The title text confirms the comic's point of experimentally reenacting mathematics textbook word problems by reference to the "Two Trains Problem", a popular type of question to teach students how to solve {{w|System of linear equations|simultaneous linear equations}}, which has previously been alluded to in [[2019: An Apple for a Dollar]]. A [https://mathseasy.quora.com/If-a-train-leaves-station-A-at-9-00-am-and-travels-at-60-miles-per-hour-and-another-train-leaves-station-B-at-10-00-am typical question of this type] asks “If a train leaves station A at 9:00 am and travels at 60 miles per hour, and another train leaves station B at 10:00 am and travels at 80 miles per hour, where will the two trains meet if station A and B are 200 miles apart?” This type of problem is so common that it became a pre-internet meme with many references in popular culture, so Randall has to provide only the setup ("trains leaving Chicago at 9 pm traveling at 45 mph") to be reasonably sure that the reader will know what he's talking about.
-Unlike apples, chartering real life trains to leave both Chicago and another city to test that class of word problem would present enormous expense to the experimental mathematics department. This expense again implies that the experimental mathematics department is not content with any abstraction, such as using model trains, and must test the word problems as written.
+Unlike apples, chartering real life trains to leave both Chicago and another city to test that class of word problem would present enormous expense to the experimental mathematics department, as there is no scheduled train departing at exactly 9 PM - the closest that run are a weekend Rock Island train at 8:55 PM, a weekday South Shore Line at 9:03 PM, or possibly a Kensington-branch Metra Electric at 9:00 AM. This expense again implies that the experimental mathematics department is not content with any abstraction, such as using model trains, and must test the word problems as written.
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