Talk:1050: Forgot Algebra - Revision history

Brycemw at 21:31, 23 April 2024

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Firestar233 at 17:12, 22 January 2024

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Who, me? at 01:17, 19 January 2022

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Who, me? at 01:14, 19 January 2022

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162.158.187.178 at 20:54, 18 January 2022

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172.69.35.248 at 21:22, 15 November 2021

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AgentMuffin at 16:01, 3 August 2017

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108.162.219.223 at 08:17, 10 January 2014

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Jd2718: Math is viewed differently than other stuff. Explanation should reflect this.

2013-09-16T03:16:57Z

Math is viewed differently than other stuff. Explanation should reflect this.

Frijole: Gallup survey: Adults are glad they studied math

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Gallup survey: Adults are glad they studied math

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	On an unrelated note, the depressing thing about this comic is that I have heard students make the same complaint (i.e. when am I ever going to need this) about music, cooking, AND speaking a foreign language.		On an unrelated note, the depressing thing about this comic is that I have heard students make the same complaint (i.e. when am I ever going to need this) about music, cooking, AND speaking a foreign language.
	[[User:Who, me?\|Who, me?]] ([[User talk:Who, me?\|talk]]) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)		[[User:Who, me?\|Who, me?]] ([[User talk:Who, me?\|talk]]) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Is it weird that I do use algebra on a somewhat regular basis? Maybe once a month or so. Not even as a part of my job (which requires far less math than most people think). Even something like finding the percentage discount when you are just given the initial and final price is technically algebra. One of the weirdest things that happened on a date was a girl asking me to solve an algebra question. I feel like I even had a derivative come up at some point in my life. I'm definitely not getting into the argument of if math should be taught in schools in the way it currently is though. [[User:Brycemw\|Brycemw]] ([[User talk:Brycemw\|talk]]) 21:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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 Actually, I always use Megan's argument whenever I'm in World History Class.--[[User:Castriff|Jimmy C]] ([[User talk:Castriff|talk]]) 21:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 :Yes, because what intelligent people did in the past when faced with complex decisions can have NO bearing on anything in my own life.  [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.223|108.162.219.223]] 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 It allways seems strange to me that there are places in the world where preparing your own meals is not an everyday task to most people. Living in Norway it just seems extremely decadent![[Special:Contributions/85.164.251.29|85.164.251.29]] 20:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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 Counter-counterpoint: You have to balance the 'need' for abstract topics with the advantage that young minds have in learning. Generally speaking, as you get older it becomes more difficult to learn new things. So the most advantageous time to learn those difficult/abstract topics is when your mind is (statistically) best capable of learning them.
-Counter-counter-counterpoint: abstract topics are actually specifically the sorts of things that "young minds" (up through middle school, at least, and sometimes into high school) struggle to learn (or comprehend) more than more developed minds. It's why teaching algebra to middle schoolers (in general and on average) is generally avoided.
+Counter-counter-counterpoint: abstract topics are actually specifically the sorts of things that "young minds" (up through middle school, at least, and sometimes into high school) struggle to learn (or comprehend) more than more older minds. It's why teaching algebra to middle schoolers (in general and on average) is generally avoided. (Source: professional development as a middle school teacher)
 On an unrelated note, the depressing thing about this comic is that I have heard students make the same complaint (i.e. when am I ever going to need this) about music, cooking, AND speaking a foreign language.
 [[User:Who, me?|Who, me?]] ([[User talk:Who, me?|talk]]) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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	Counter-counterpoint: You have to balance the 'need' for abstract topics with the advantage that young minds have in learning. Generally speaking, as you get older it becomes more difficult to learn new things. So the most advantageous time to learn those difficult/abstract topics is when your mind is (statistically) best capable of learning them.		Counter-counterpoint: You have to balance the 'need' for abstract topics with the advantage that young minds have in learning. Generally speaking, as you get older it becomes more difficult to learn new things. So the most advantageous time to learn those difficult/abstract topics is when your mind is (statistically) best capable of learning them.
		+	[[User:Who, me?\|Who, me?]] ([[User talk:Who, me?\|talk]]) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Counter-counter-counterpoint: abstract topics are actually specifically the sorts of things that "young minds" (up through middle school, at least, and sometimes into high school) struggle to learn (or comprehend) more than more developed minds. It's why teaching algebra to middle schoolers (in general and on average) is generally avoided.
		+	On an unrelated note, the depressing thing about this comic is that I have heard students make the same complaint (i.e. when am I ever going to need this) about music, cooking, AND speaking a foreign language.
		+	[[User:Who, me?\|Who, me?]] ([[User talk:Who, me?\|talk]]) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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 :I don't think that by "learning to cook" he means to prepare food, but to do it well and to enjoy it.  Many people can prepare very limited food, causing them to not enjoy cooking and to believe that they cannot cook. [[User:Theo|Theo]] ([[User talk:Theo|talk]]) 21:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 ::No, he meant "learning to cook".  We learn math, not necessarily so we can enjoy it but so that we can function as a modern human being.  You don't have to enjoy cooking, but by god's sake you should at least learn the basics.  We can't all be generation Y, you know; things would cease to function.  [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.223|108.162.219.223]] 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 Fortunately for mathophiles, it appears that this sentiment fades with age.  In an August 2013 Gallup survey of American adults, respondents were asked which school subject they considered most valuable in their daily lives, and Math took the top spot.  http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2013/09/math_viewed_as_most_valuable_s.html [[User:Frijole|Frijole]] ([[User talk:Frijole|talk]]) 23:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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	Counterpoint: Unlike music and foreign language, math is a required course throughout school, which must be infuriating for those who struggle with it. My belief for what are currently the core classes is that students should be taught the material that will help them "in real life" and in a variety of jobs, and probably a bit of extra knowledge beyond that; but the much more complex and abstract topics should be optional. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>		Counterpoint: Unlike music and foreign language, math is a required course throughout school, which must be infuriating for those who struggle with it. My belief for what are currently the core classes is that students should be taught the material that will help them "in real life" and in a variety of jobs, and probably a bit of extra knowledge beyond that; but the much more complex and abstract topics should be optional. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>
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		+	Counter-counterpoint: You have to balance the 'need' for abstract topics with the advantage that young minds have in learning. Generally speaking, as you get older it becomes more difficult to learn new things. So the most advantageous time to learn those difficult/abstract topics is when your mind is (statistically) best capable of learning them.

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	:It was a Gallup survey, and how can the choice of "math" be self-serving anyway?? It is an educational journal, for pete's sake! The only choices were school subjects.		:It was a Gallup survey, and how can the choice of "math" be self-serving anyway?? It is an educational journal, for pete's sake! The only choices were school subjects.
	:My own reasoning is that people have an unnatural fear of math simply because it is a pure science, it is abstract. The idiotic thing is that people use math all the time, they just don't call it that. Trying to work out how many drinks you can buy and still have cab fare? Algebra, b*tches! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.223\|108.162.219.223]] 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)		:My own reasoning is that people have an unnatural fear of math simply because it is a pure science, it is abstract. The idiotic thing is that people use math all the time, they just don't call it that. Trying to work out how many drinks you can buy and still have cab fare? Algebra, b*tches! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.223\|108.162.219.223]] 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Counterpoint: Unlike music and foreign language, math is a required course throughout school, which must be infuriating for those who struggle with it. My belief for what are currently the core classes is that students should be taught the material that will help them "in real life" and in a variety of jobs, and probably a bit of extra knowledge beyond that; but the much more complex and abstract topics should be optional. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>

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	Fortunately for mathophiles, it appears that this sentiment fades with age. In an August 2013 Gallup survey of American adults, respondents were asked which school subject they considered most valuable in their daily lives, and Math took the top spot. http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2013/09/math_viewed_as_most_valuable_s.html [[User:Frijole\|Frijole]] ([[User talk:Frijole\|talk]]) 23:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)		Fortunately for mathophiles, it appears that this sentiment fades with age. In an August 2013 Gallup survey of American adults, respondents were asked which school subject they considered most valuable in their daily lives, and Math took the top spot. http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2013/09/math_viewed_as_most_valuable_s.html [[User:Frijole\|Frijole]] ([[User talk:Frijole\|talk]]) 23:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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		+	A google search of "when am I ever going to use X?" reveals that "math" and "algebra" get tens of thousands of hits, physics gets hundreds, while just about everything else is under 100. I think the extreme dislike of math (edweek survey notwithstanding, and probably self-serving) is in a different league from what others have discussed here. The explanation should reflect. [[User:Jd2718\|Jd2718]] ([[User talk:Jd2718\|talk]]) 03:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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	It allways seems strange to me that there are places in the world where preparing your own meals is not an everyday task to most people. Living in Norway it just seems extremely decadent![[Special:Contributions/85.164.251.29\|85.164.251.29]] 20:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)		It allways seems strange to me that there are places in the world where preparing your own meals is not an everyday task to most people. Living in Norway it just seems extremely decadent![[Special:Contributions/85.164.251.29\|85.164.251.29]] 20:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
	:I don't think that by "learning to cook" he means to prepare food, but to do it well and to enjoy it. Many people can prepare very limited food, causing them to not enjoy cooking and to believe that they cannot cook. [[User:Theo\|Theo]] ([[User talk:Theo\|talk]]) 21:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)		:I don't think that by "learning to cook" he means to prepare food, but to do it well and to enjoy it. Many people can prepare very limited food, causing them to not enjoy cooking and to believe that they cannot cook. [[User:Theo\|Theo]] ([[User talk:Theo\|talk]]) 21:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	Fortunately for mathophiles, it appears that this sentiment fades with age. In an August 2013 Gallup survey of American adults, respondents were asked which school subject they considered most valuable in their daily lives, and Math took the top spot. http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2013/09/math_viewed_as_most_valuable_s.html [[User:Frijole\|Frijole]] ([[User talk:Frijole\|talk]]) 23:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)