Talk:1173: Steroids - Revision history

DollarStoreBa'al at 18:49, 27 August 2025

2025-08-27T18:49:41Z

DollarStoreBa'al at 13:19, 27 August 2025

2025-08-27T13:19:53Z

82.132.246.176 at 16:46, 26 August 2025

2025-08-26T16:46:29Z

47.218.100.209: oaeidd comppunicnegt

2025-08-26T03:08:43Z

oaeidd comppunicnegt

L-Space Traveler at 14:04, 19 December 2022

2022-12-19T14:04:43Z

PotatoGod: Mention injuries caused by sports directly

2018-03-28T14:05:34Z

Mention injuries caused by sports directly

Jacky720 at 17:56, 3 May 2017

2017-05-03T17:56:06Z

Weatherlawyer at 17:07, 11 January 2015

2015-01-11T17:07:25Z

Weatherlawyer at 13:37, 11 January 2015

2015-01-11T13:37:43Z

Weatherlawyer at 12:56, 11 January 2015

2015-01-11T12:56:48Z

@@ Line 86: / Line 86: @@
 guys, i had this theaoruy that were  all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg  at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
 :{{diff|385026|Hmmm...}} You definitely need more sleep, less drink or perhaps an adjustment (one way or other) of your medication. (I'd love to know what your Edit Summary was meant to say, if you can remember/work it out yourself, reversing the entropic degredation.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.246.176|82.132.246.176]] 16:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
-:This is some of the funniest shit I've ever read --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al |<span style="font-family:Atomic Age;font-size:12pt;color:red;">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al |'''''Converse''''']]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/DollarStoreBa'al|'''''My life choices''''']] 13:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
+:He has ascended and learned the truth. Tell us, dear IP, what did you see? --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al |<span style="font-family:Atomic Age;font-size:12pt;color:red;">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al |'''''Converse''''']]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/DollarStoreBa'al|'''''My life choices''''']] 18:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:19, 27 August 2025
Line 86:		Line 86:
	guys, i had this theaoruy that were all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209\|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)		guys, i had this theaoruy that were all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209\|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
	:{{diff\|385026\|Hmmm...}} You definitely need more sleep, less drink or perhaps an adjustment (one way or other) of your medication. (I'd love to know what your Edit Summary was meant to say, if you can remember/work it out yourself, reversing the entropic degredation.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.246.176\|82.132.246.176]] 16:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)		:{{diff\|385026\|Hmmm...}} You definitely need more sleep, less drink or perhaps an adjustment (one way or other) of your medication. (I'd love to know what your Edit Summary was meant to say, if you can remember/work it out yourself, reversing the entropic degredation.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.246.176\|82.132.246.176]] 16:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
		+	:This is some of the funniest shit I've ever read --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al \|<span style="font-family:Atomic Age;font-size:12pt;color:red;">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al \|'''''Converse''''']]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/DollarStoreBa'al\|'''''My life choices''''']] 13:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:46, 26 August 2025
Line 85:		Line 85:

	guys, i had this theaoruy that were all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209\|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)		guys, i had this theaoruy that were all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209\|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
		+	:{{diff\|385026\|Hmmm...}} You definitely need more sleep, less drink or perhaps an adjustment (one way or other) of your medication. (I'd love to know what your Edit Summary was meant to say, if you can remember/work it out yourself, reversing the entropic degredation.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.246.176\|82.132.246.176]] 16:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:08, 26 August 2025
Line 83:		Line 83:

	My problem with the “controversy” section is that it says that a reason for banning chemical is in cases that they cause harm to the athletes, but wouldn’t that also be a reason to ban most sports entirely? Just look at all the (potentially debilitating) injuries athletes often get (especially football players). [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 14:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)		My problem with the “controversy” section is that it says that a reason for banning chemical is in cases that they cause harm to the athletes, but wouldn’t that also be a reason to ban most sports entirely? Just look at all the (potentially debilitating) injuries athletes often get (especially football players). [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 14:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
		+
		+	guys, i had this theaoruy that were all just a byprodycut of the second law of thermodynamics,,, like all foreeces can be moddeled as converting potential energy to kinetic energyu,, and you knsow all chemicerola reactions are just minimisezzicng enorerrgy,,, the ungingevere iis trying to go straight from the big bang to the heat deasth, and doeing a bad jjuorg at it (i should probably go to sleep) [[Special:Contributions/47.218.100.209\|47.218.100.209]] 03:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:04, 19 December 2022
Line 72:		Line 72:

	:That quote was was actually due to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfr%C3%A9d_R%C3%A9nyi Alfréd Rényi]. [[Special:Contributions/203.6.77.2\|203.6.77.2]] 07:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)		:That quote was was actually due to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfr%C3%A9d_R%C3%A9nyi Alfréd Rényi]. [[Special:Contributions/203.6.77.2\|203.6.77.2]] 07:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
		+
		+	::I've never heard this quote before - thank you both, I love it! ([https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1053:_Ten_Thousand 10,000 Day . . . ]) [[User:L-Space Traveler\|L-Space Traveler]] ([[User talk:L-Space Traveler\|talk]]) 14:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

	That was exactly the thing that crossed my mind when I read it... Spot on! {{unsigned ip\|193.105.85.4}}		That was exactly the thing that crossed my mind when I read it... Spot on! {{unsigned ip\|193.105.85.4}}

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:05, 28 March 2018
Line 78:		Line 78:

	''The Sphere baffled asks if that is so bad, to which Megan states that this is awful.'' That's not what the sphere said AT ALL. But [[User:Jacky720\|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720\|contribs]]) 17:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)		''The Sphere baffled asks if that is so bad, to which Megan states that this is awful.'' That's not what the sphere said AT ALL. But [[User:Jacky720\|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720\|contribs]]) 17:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
		+
		+
		+	My problem with the “controversy” section is that it says that a reason for banning chemical is in cases that they cause harm to the athletes, but wouldn’t that also be a reason to ban most sports entirely? Just look at all the (potentially debilitating) injuries athletes often get (especially football players). [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 14:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:56, 3 May 2017
Line 76:		Line 76:

	I've learned that Mr Armstrong is a future hero (Thank you Mr. XKCD). We will need to help out evolution to make us stronger and faster when we need it (sorry Jet pilots of today, you will need to continue enduring those coughing fits until we figure something out). Considering we need to do so by choice, drugs are the only way we know how at this time. Mr. Armstrong was trying to teach us a lesson that if you practice moderation and have will power to put in the work as well (drugs are no pathway toward the easy life), you can overcome any limitation (such as getting over cancer) to become one of the greatest human athletes we have ever known (and yes, I do believe you are both are still as awesome as ever Mr. Armstrong and our teacher Mr. XKCD). -e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187\|24.51.197.187]] 19:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)		I've learned that Mr Armstrong is a future hero (Thank you Mr. XKCD). We will need to help out evolution to make us stronger and faster when we need it (sorry Jet pilots of today, you will need to continue enduring those coughing fits until we figure something out). Considering we need to do so by choice, drugs are the only way we know how at this time. Mr. Armstrong was trying to teach us a lesson that if you practice moderation and have will power to put in the work as well (drugs are no pathway toward the easy life), you can overcome any limitation (such as getting over cancer) to become one of the greatest human athletes we have ever known (and yes, I do believe you are both are still as awesome as ever Mr. Armstrong and our teacher Mr. XKCD). -e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187\|24.51.197.187]] 19:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
		+
		+	''The Sphere baffled asks if that is so bad, to which Megan states that this is awful.'' That's not what the sphere said AT ALL. But [[User:Jacky720\|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720\|contribs]]) 17:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@@ Line 33: / Line 33: @@
 :::Which is good theory except that we have hardly any idea what are long-term effect of most chemicals, not speaking about fact that any chemical which is beneficial in reasonable amount (which we often don't know and it may depend on individual or other condition) is dangerous if you take it too much. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C L-ascorbic acid] is particularly interresting example, as the official recomendation is 90mg per day, but depending on doctor and on situation (like illness or stress level) even 10,000mg may be considered healthy. Another good example is already mentioned [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone testosterone], which IS actually steroid. Oh yes, and then there is the problem of DETECTING that the athlets are getting those "unnatural" chemicals. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 09:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 ::::Your argument seems to suggest that just because we can't catch all criminals, or because we don't know the long term effects of people's actions, we should just release convicted murderers. No one ever said the system's perfect. I grant that there are many grey areas, and we can't come close to policing every athlete. I don't think we should stop athletes from taking vitamin C given our current amount of knowledge, but I do think we should try to stop the athletes that are detected to be using chemicals in quantities that are known to be unhealthy in order to gain a competitive advantage.[[Special:Contributions/70.31.159.230|70.31.159.230]] 21:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 :Like trying to line up all the people in the world and draw a clear line to divide blacks from whites, it's too much of a gradual spectrum to be anything other than arbitrary. [[Special:Contributions/67.51.59.66|67.51.59.66]] 17:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 ::I explained my point very poorly. "Good" performance enhancing chemicals (like healthy foods) tend to also make us more healthy while "bad" performance enhancing chemicals (like steroids) cause all sorts of health problems. Athletes are generally encouraged to take the "good" stuff while avoiding the "bad" stuff. Of course there's a huge grey area in between (including non-performance-enhancing Big Macs), but I think steroids clearly fall outside this grey area. [[Special:Contributions/70.31.159.230|70.31.159.230]] 19:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

@@ Line 22: / Line 22: @@
 :So on the one side of this "clear boundary" you'd have something like Big Macs (food, good for us) and on the other you'd have vitamin supplements (non-food chemicals, bad)?
-I have wheat allergy and gout. There are commonly available staples that cripple me. I would like to try marijuana oil but am law abiding. On several occasions I have been denied pain killers by arbitrarily chosen nincompoops who would rather believe I am a liar -would be drug abuser rather than suffering pain.
+I have wheat allergy and gout. There are commonly available staples that cripple me. I would like to try marijuana oil but am law abiding. On several occasions I have been denied pain killers by arbitrarily chosen nincompoops who would rather believe I am a liar/would be drug abuser rather than suffering pain.
 On two occasions I've suffered peritonitis. The last time the bowel blew a fuse through to the outside of my body. That was unpleasant.

@@ Line 21: / Line 21: @@
 I think the "artificial boundary" isn't so artificial. There is a clear difference between food chemicals, which are healthy for us, vs steroid chemicals, which cause all sorts of health problems. Of course, then Megan would have to explain that we have limited lifespans and we greatly value our quality of life, and these steroids would decrease our quality of life. [[Special:Contributions/70.31.159.230|70.31.159.230]] 13:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 :So on the one side of this "clear boundary" you'd have something like Big Macs (food, good for us) and on the other you'd have vitamin supplements (non-food chemicals, bad)?
 ::I think the theory is that things that improve athletic performance but hurt the body should not be allowed.  That way, athletes who are willing to sacrifice their health in order to win do not have an advantage over those who are not willing to make such a sacrifice.  If people want to eat Big Mac's they are welcome to because it doesn't give them any advantage.  Basically, you can put bad stuff into yourself all you want, but not if it gives you a competitive advantage. [[Special:Contributions/74.92.219.153|74.92.219.153]] 17:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 :::Which is good theory except that we have hardly any idea what are long-term effect of most chemicals, not speaking about fact that any chemical which is beneficial in reasonable amount (which we often don't know and it may depend on individual or other condition) is dangerous if you take it too much. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C L-ascorbic acid] is particularly interresting example, as the official recomendation is 90mg per day, but depending on doctor and on situation (like illness or stress level) even 10,000mg may be considered healthy. Another good example is already mentioned [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone testosterone], which IS actually steroid. Oh yes, and then there is the problem of DETECTING that the athlets are getting those "unnatural" chemicals. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 09:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)