Talk:1199: Silence - Revision history

42.book.addict at 18:04, 14 November 2025

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FaviFake: spam

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spam

ExplainEuge.ca at 06:26, 12 June 2025

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172.70.85.100 at 13:45, 8 October 2024

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42.book.addict at 23:10, 2 February 2024

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AmbroseChapel at 00:29, 31 August 2017

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Davidy22: A+

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108.162.216.114 at 20:10, 4 December 2014

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Lcarsos: minute/second notation, not feet/inches notation.

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minute/second notation, not feet/inches notation.

Lcarsos: Allowing the wikimarkup engine to recognize different paragraphs for spacing's sake

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Allowing the wikimarkup engine to recognize different paragraphs for spacing's sake

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 Hmm... if we know the room is 4'33", couldn't we use that to figure out how tall Megan is? Just a thought. [[Special:Contributions/86.181.5.232|86.181.5.232]] 12:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
-:4'33" I believe is the length of the song.  Not feet and inches.
+:4'33" I believe is the length of the song.  Not feet and inches. {{unsigned ip|65.215.93.238|14:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)}}
 Do you guys think the title text might be a reference to Parks and Rec's [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3rEJrRDjE|"Jazz plus Jazz equals Jazz"]? --[[User:Pnariyoshi|Pnariyoshi]] ([[User talk:Pnariyoshi|talk]]) 14:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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 I wrote this long before Cage did, and no one ever gave me any credit. Just because he was already famous does not make this a useful composition. [[Special:Contributions/206.181.86.98|206.181.86.98]] 23:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
-:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3#Precursors][[Special:Contributions/96.238.211.171|96.238.211.171]] 20:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
+:{{w|4′33″#Precursors}} [[Special:Contributions/96.238.211.171|96.238.211.171]] 20:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 When out and about, the other day, I realised that I might well have 'caught' 4'33" as a mindworm. Every bit of 'silence' with just ambient noises. Awkward... [[Special:Contributions/178.98.135.249|178.98.135.249]] 23:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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	One of the noted [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3SWpZzL7yTCqVWhq7TcsGYr/eight-of-the-most-unexpected-moments-from-desert-island-discs Desert Island Discs choices] was of 4'33". Necessarily just a snippet of it (not sure from which section of the full score, I'm not knowledgable enough about it myself), but seemed to be a faithful version, if not an original recording. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.100\|172.70.85.100]] 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		One of the noted [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3SWpZzL7yTCqVWhq7TcsGYr/eight-of-the-most-unexpected-moments-from-desert-island-discs Desert Island Discs choices] was of 4'33". Necessarily just a snippet of it (not sure from which section of the full score, I'm not knowledgable enough about it myself), but seemed to be a faithful version, if not an original recording. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.100\|172.70.85.100]] 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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−	~~Euge.ca comic 10#4 has a reference to John Cage. [[User:ExplainEuge.ca\|ExplainEuge.ca]] ([[User talk:ExplainEuge.ca\|talk]]) 06:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)~~

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	One of the noted [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3SWpZzL7yTCqVWhq7TcsGYr/eight-of-the-most-unexpected-moments-from-desert-island-discs Desert Island Discs choices] was of 4'33". Necessarily just a snippet of it (not sure from which section of the full score, I'm not knowledgable enough about it myself), but seemed to be a faithful version, if not an original recording. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.100\|172.70.85.100]] 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		One of the noted [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3SWpZzL7yTCqVWhq7TcsGYr/eight-of-the-most-unexpected-moments-from-desert-island-discs Desert Island Discs choices] was of 4'33". Necessarily just a snippet of it (not sure from which section of the full score, I'm not knowledgable enough about it myself), but seemed to be a faithful version, if not an original recording. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.100\|172.70.85.100]] 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Euge.ca comic 10#4 has a reference to John Cage. [[User:ExplainEuge.ca\|ExplainEuge.ca]] ([[User talk:ExplainEuge.ca\|talk]]) 06:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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	I strongly disagree that the environment has to be a recording studio for the statement in the title text to be true. It could be any situation in which a band is playing. I will edit in 24 hours if nobody objects. [[User:AmbroseChapel\|AmbroseChapel]] ([[User talk:AmbroseChapel\|talk]]) 00:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)		I strongly disagree that the environment has to be a recording studio for the statement in the title text to be true. It could be any situation in which a band is playing. I will edit in 24 hours if nobody objects. [[User:AmbroseChapel\|AmbroseChapel]] ([[User talk:AmbroseChapel\|talk]]) 00:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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		+	One of the noted [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3SWpZzL7yTCqVWhq7TcsGYr/eight-of-the-most-unexpected-moments-from-desert-island-discs Desert Island Discs choices] was of 4'33". Necessarily just a snippet of it (not sure from which section of the full score, I'm not knowledgable enough about it myself), but seemed to be a faithful version, if not an original recording. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.100\|172.70.85.100]] 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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	I may have had a professor in college show us a recording of 4'33", I can honestly say it was the least usefull 4'33" minutes of my academic career.... The argument we had over if this was artistic shortly afterwards was much more entertaining however.[[Special:Contributions/69.146.97.120\|69.146.97.120]] 04:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)		I may have had a professor in college show us a recording of 4'33", I can honestly say it was the least usefull 4'33" minutes of my academic career.... The argument we had over if this was artistic shortly afterwards was much more entertaining however.[[Special:Contributions/69.146.97.120\|69.146.97.120]] 04:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
		+	:My orchestra teacher introduced the piece to my class a couple months ago-it was easily one of the most boring moment I experienced in that class. [[User:42.book.addict\|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict\|talk]]) 23:10, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

	Hmm... if we know the room is 4'33", couldn't we use that to figure out how tall Megan is? Just a thought. [[Special:Contributions/86.181.5.232\|86.181.5.232]] 12:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)		Hmm... if we know the room is 4'33", couldn't we use that to figure out how tall Megan is? Just a thought. [[Special:Contributions/86.181.5.232\|86.181.5.232]] 12:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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	Really, we get it, reality is artistic. That doesn't mean you have some deeper understanding of it. It just means you made a basic observation. Observational =/= Creative. And art requiring an artist requires creativity. Art without an artist is reality. And you can't take credit for reality. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.114\|108.162.216.114]] 20:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)		Really, we get it, reality is artistic. That doesn't mean you have some deeper understanding of it. It just means you made a basic observation. Observational =/= Creative. And art requiring an artist requires creativity. Art without an artist is reality. And you can't take credit for reality. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.114\|108.162.216.114]] 20:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	I strongly disagree that the environment has to be a recording studio for the statement in the title text to be true. It could be any situation in which a band is playing. I will edit in 24 hours if nobody objects. [[User:AmbroseChapel\|AmbroseChapel]] ([[User talk:AmbroseChapel\|talk]]) 00:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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 What are the chances that: that empty room is an anechoic chamber? [[Special:Contributions/66.42.134.195|66.42.134.195]] 04:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 :plain walls..plain floor...virtually zero[[User:Xseo|Xseo]] ([[User talk:Xseo|talk]]) 09:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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 When out and about, the other day, I realised that I might well have 'caught' 4'33" as a mindworm. Every bit of 'silence' with just ambient noises. Awkward... [[Special:Contributions/178.98.135.249|178.98.135.249]] 23:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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		+	Really, we get it, reality is artistic. That doesn't mean you have some deeper understanding of it. It just means you made a basic observation. Observational =/= Creative. And art requiring an artist requires creativity. Art without an artist is reality. And you can't take credit for reality. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.114\|108.162.216.114]] 20:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
	What are the chances that: that empty room is an anechoic chamber? [[Special:Contributions/66.42.134.195\|66.42.134.195]] 04:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)		What are the chances that: that empty room is an anechoic chamber? [[Special:Contributions/66.42.134.195\|66.42.134.195]] 04:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
	:plain walls..plain floor...virtually zero[[User:Xseo\|Xseo]] ([[User talk:Xseo\|talk]]) 09:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)		:plain walls..plain floor...virtually zero[[User:Xseo\|Xseo]] ([[User talk:Xseo\|talk]]) 09:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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	:4'33"=273=absolute temperature zero. This is the "standard" explanation of this length. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.230.125\|108.162.230.125]] 15:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)		:4'33"=273=absolute temperature zero. This is the "standard" explanation of this length. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.230.125\|108.162.230.125]] 15:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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		+	::For clarity, 4'33" is minute and second notation. 4 minutes, 33 seconds. Which is also 273 seconds. And if you put a negative sign in front of it and a "°C" behind it: -273°C, which is "absolute 0" (0 in Kelvin); the theorized coldest anything could be in our universe. I only bring this up because, as an American, I think of 4'33" as being 4 foot, 33 inches. Which is weird on its own. [[User:Lcarsos\|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos\|talk]]) 16:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

	:I tend to prefer the {{w\|radio edit}}, titled 3'44". Whereas the extended dance remix 7'20" has a nice beat but completely misses the point. - [[User:Frankie\|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie\|talk]]) 16:26, 17 April 2013 (UTC)		:I tend to prefer the {{w\|radio edit}}, titled 3'44". Whereas the extended dance remix 7'20" has a nice beat but completely misses the point. - [[User:Frankie\|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie\|talk]]) 16:26, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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 There is a controversy whether 4′33″ (4 mins 33 secs) was the intended duration. The original manuscript is lost, the first performance lasted 4′33″ (and there is a transcript of it with the exact duration of each movement shown), and later editions only show three movements “tacet”. Cage himself said (though much later), “the work may be performed by any instrumentalist or combination of instrumentalists and last any length of time”. --[[Special:Contributions/77.186.113.21|77.186.113.21]] 14:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 :Uh, what? You can buy sheet music for 4'33" (!) and it's in Cage's own handwriting. Whether it's the "original manuscript" or not, the duration we have know was definitely okayed by Cage. [[User:Alpha|Alpha]] ([[User talk:Alpha|talk]]) 15:48, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 :4'33"=273=absolute temperature zero. This is the "standard" explanation of this length. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.230.125|108.162.230.125]] 15:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 :I tend to prefer the {{w|radio edit}}, titled 3'44". Whereas the extended dance remix 7'20" has a nice beat but completely misses the point. - [[User:Frankie|Frankie]] ([[User talk:Frankie|talk]]) 16:26, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 ::If this wiki had mod points, I'd upvote you.[[User:CityZen|CityZen]] ([[User talk:CityZen|talk]]) 03:15, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 Perhaps the alt text is being overanalyzed.  Is it not more likely to be just a sarcastic comment that all music is coincidental ambient noise interfering with the silence?  [[User:MegsyS|MegsyS]] ([[User talk:MegsyS|talk]]) 14:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 :I read it as more a semantic middle-ground between the (current) main explanation and yours.  Instead of 'making all music have Cage's work "embedded" into it.', it means that 'all music(1) is Cage's work with someone else playing (other) music inside it, ambiently'.  (1 - Any given four minutes and thirty-three seconds of music, that is.  Whether that includes a subset of the longer 'embedded' piece, a superset of a a ''shorter'' embedded piece or a dislocated translation/truncation of shared 'sound space'.  IYSWIM. YMMV.) [[Special:Contributions/31.109.25.88|31.109.25.88]] 17:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 I wrote this long before Cage did, and no one ever gave me any credit. Just because he was already famous does not make this a useful composition. [[Special:Contributions/206.181.86.98|206.181.86.98]] 23:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 :[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3#Precursors][[Special:Contributions/96.238.211.171|96.238.211.171]] 20:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 When out and about, the other day, I realised that I might well have 'caught' 4'33" as a mindworm. Every bit of 'silence' with just ambient noises. Awkward... [[Special:Contributions/178.98.135.249|178.98.135.249]] 23:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)