Talk:1211: Birds and Dinosaurs - Revision history

92.23.11.33 at 00:17, 20 January 2026

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Elizium23: added

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&nbsp added

Elizium23 at 23:05, 19 January 2026

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Elizium23: let's not neglect the running in-jokes

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let's not neglect the running in-jokes

Elizium23: found a citation

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found a citation

Elizium23: citation missing

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citation missing

172.71.178.94: Undo revision 336524 by Ash123 (talk) Blatant spamvertising. Doesn't even pretend to be about the comic it says it cannot understand (a Firefly/Serenity reference, indeed?).

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Undo revision 336524 by Ash123 (talk) Blatant spamvertising. Doesn't even pretend to be about the comic it says it cannot understand (a Firefly/Serenity reference, indeed?).

Ash123 at 14:21, 4 March 2024

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162.158.89.114: Birds did not descend from ornithischians but from saurischians

2021-11-03T14:59:53Z

Birds did not descend from ornithischians but from saurischians

AntAllan: phylogenetic distance

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phylogenetic distance

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 :::Of course I do believe that Randall is going for his "What If?" in-joke here, so we need to also acknowledge his facetious "5&nbsp;meters tall at the shoulder" estimate! [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:12, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 ::A glaring omission, and part of the intrinsic humor, of the comic is the total omission of any concrete measurements or units. While we've supplied the "stands 2&nbsp;m tall" here from North's claim, the Xkcd is lampooning the meme of "football fields and Libraries of Congress" comparative measurements, I am fairly certain. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 23:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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 : - According to https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/ (Lightning), "paleontologists estimate he stood nearly five meters tall at the shoulder".[[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.196|162.158.38.196]] 11:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
-::So currently our explanation says that Ryan North is 2 meters tall, but I could not find any primary source from North about his height. I attempted to use Grok, but it is currently unavailable to free users. So I asked Gemini, and Gemini cited this explainxkcd page for Ryan North's height. And also cited the Xkcd page. But we all know that LLMs make up their citations ''ex post facto'' anyway. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 18:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
+::So currently our explanation says that Ryan North is 2&nbsp;meters tall, but I could not find any primary source from North about his height. I attempted to use Grok, but it is currently unavailable to free users. So I asked Gemini, and Gemini cited this explainxkcd page for Ryan North's height. And also cited the Xkcd page. But we all know that LLMs make up their citations ''ex post facto'' anyway. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 18:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
-:::Browsing through the article history, there was a lot of pussy-footing around with the original editor's "198cm" claim, but North himself made the claim of exactly 2 meters in [https://sharpread.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/guest-post-john-patrick-green-interviews-ryan-north/ this 2016 Wordpress interview,] so let's go with that. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
+:::Browsing through the article history, there was a lot of pussy-footing around with the original editor's "198cm" claim, but North himself made the claim of exactly 2&nbsp;meters in [https://sharpread.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/guest-post-john-patrick-green-interviews-ryan-north/ this 2016 Wordpress interview,] so let's go with that. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
-:::Of course I do believe that Randall is going for his "What If?" in-joke here, so we need to also acknowledge his facetious "5 meters tall at the shoulder" estimate! [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:12, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
+:::Of course I do believe that Randall is going for his "What If?" in-joke here, so we need to also acknowledge his facetious "5&nbsp;meters tall at the shoulder" estimate! [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:12, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
-::A glaring omission, and part of the intrinsic humor, of the comic is the total omission of any concrete measurements or units. While we've supplied the "stands 2 m tall" here from North's claim, the Xkcd is lampooning the meme of "football fields and Libraries of Congress" comparative measurements, I am fairly certain. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 23:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
+::A glaring omission, and part of the intrinsic humor, of the comic is the total omission of any concrete measurements or units. While we've supplied the "stands 2&nbsp;m tall" here from North's claim, the Xkcd is lampooning the meme of "football fields and Libraries of Congress" comparative measurements, I am fairly certain. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 23:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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 :::Browsing through the article history, there was a lot of pussy-footing around with the original editor's "198cm" claim, but North himself made the claim of exactly 2 meters in [https://sharpread.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/guest-post-john-patrick-green-interviews-ryan-north/ this 2016 Wordpress interview,] so let's go with that. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 :::Of course I do believe that Randall is going for his "What If?" in-joke here, so we need to also acknowledge his facetious "5 meters tall at the shoulder" estimate! [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:12, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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 ::So currently our explanation says that Ryan North is 2 meters tall, but I could not find any primary source from North about his height. I attempted to use Grok, but it is currently unavailable to free users. So I asked Gemini, and Gemini cited this explainxkcd page for Ryan North's height. And also cited the Xkcd page. But we all know that LLMs make up their citations ''ex post facto'' anyway. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 18:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 :::Browsing through the article history, there was a lot of pussy-footing around with the original editor's "198cm" claim, but North himself made the claim of exactly 2 meters in [https://sharpread.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/guest-post-john-patrick-green-interviews-ryan-north/ this 2016 Wordpress interview,] so let's go with that. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 19:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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 : - According to https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/ (Lightning), "paleontologists estimate he stood nearly five meters tall at the shoulder".[[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.196|162.158.38.196]] 11:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 ::So currently our explanation says that Ryan North is 2 meters tall, but I could not find any primary source from North about his height. I attempted to use Grok, but it is currently unavailable to free users. So I asked Gemini, and Gemini cited this explainxkcd page for Ryan North's height. And also cited the Xkcd page. But we all know that LLMs make up their citations ''ex post facto'' anyway. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 18:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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	: - According to https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/ (Lightning), "paleontologists estimate he stood nearly five meters tall at the shoulder".[[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.196\|162.158.38.196]] 11:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)		: - According to https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/ (Lightning), "paleontologists estimate he stood nearly five meters tall at the shoulder".[[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.196\|162.158.38.196]] 11:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
		+	::So currently our explanation says that Ryan North is 2 meters tall, but I could not find any primary source from North about his height. I attempted to use Grok, but it is currently unavailable to free users. So I asked Gemini, and Gemini cited this explainxkcd page for Ryan North's height. And also cited the Xkcd page. But we all know that LLMs make up their citations ''ex post facto'' anyway. [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 18:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

	A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38\|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)		A few minor edits, Made the text "Falco Peregrinus" italic for the lulz. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38\|121.54.48.38]] 10:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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	Some evolution diagrams are honest enough to use solid vertical lines for the bits that are actually known and dotted horizontal lines for the wishful thinking bits connecting the different families. [[Special:Contributions/121.74.153.117\|121.74.153.117]] 00:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		Some evolution diagrams are honest enough to use solid vertical lines for the bits that are actually known and dotted horizontal lines for the wishful thinking bits connecting the different families. [[Special:Contributions/121.74.153.117\|121.74.153.117]] 00:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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−	I find this article quite confusing. So does it justify him as a Browncoat? Is that underlying message given that it is not clear where he is coming from? Its better to get some clarity at [https://essay-grader.ai].

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	Some evolution diagrams are honest enough to use solid vertical lines for the bits that are actually known and dotted horizontal lines for the wishful thinking bits connecting the different families. [[Special:Contributions/121.74.153.117\|121.74.153.117]] 00:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		Some evolution diagrams are honest enough to use solid vertical lines for the bits that are actually known and dotted horizontal lines for the wishful thinking bits connecting the different families. [[Special:Contributions/121.74.153.117\|121.74.153.117]] 00:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	I find this article quite confusing. So does it justify him as a Browncoat? Is that underlying message given that it is not clear where he is coming from? Its better to get some clarity at [https://essay-grader.ai].

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	:I think you might not be doing the right sums. “The phylogenetic distance between two species is an estimate of the amount of time since the most recent common ancestor of both species, in other words the time that each has evolved independently of the other.” https://phylodiversity.net/wcornwell/papers/Vellend_etal_2011_bookchap.pdf So, I think what you should be comparing is (a) the time since the LCA of sparrow and ''T. rex'' to the present day and (b) the time since the LCA of ''T. rex'' and ''Stegosaurus'' to the ''T. rex''; i.e., just the longer branches of the two inverted red Υ’s. [[User:AntAllan\|AntAllan]] ([[User talk:AntAllan\|talk]]) 18:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)		:I think you might not be doing the right sums. “The phylogenetic distance between two species is an estimate of the amount of time since the most recent common ancestor of both species, in other words the time that each has evolved independently of the other.” https://phylodiversity.net/wcornwell/papers/Vellend_etal_2011_bookchap.pdf So, I think what you should be comparing is (a) the time since the LCA of sparrow and ''T. rex'' to the present day and (b) the time since the LCA of ''T. rex'' and ''Stegosaurus'' to the ''T. rex''; i.e., just the longer branches of the two inverted red Υ’s. [[User:AntAllan\|AntAllan]] ([[User talk:AntAllan\|talk]]) 18:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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		+	: You are probably confused by the naming: birds did not descend from ornithischians but from saurischians. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.114\|162.158.89.114]] 14:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

	I added the transcript, That was legit enough. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38\|121.54.48.38]] 06:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)		I added the transcript, That was legit enough. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38\|121.54.48.38]] 06:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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 . For some reason the article explanation refers to a Science article that's exactly the opposite of what it's described as suggesting; since almost all dinosaurs are likely to have had some feathers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur (I can replace this with a non-wikipedia source when I have more time)], this makes T. rex more similar to other dinosaurs.
 ~~thunderbeard
 I added the transcript, That was legit enough. [[Special:Contributions/121.54.48.38|121.54.48.38]] 06:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)