Talk:1213: Combination Vision Test - Revision history

172.70.42.167 at 05:26, 7 March 2024

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ConscriptGuide at 18:22, 9 August 2023

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141.101.98.251 at 04:53, 28 September 2014

2014-09-28T04:53:31Z

108.162.230.137: See 92 too.

2014-07-21T11:33:27Z

See 92 too.

108.162.216.36 at 00:31, 19 January 2014

2014-01-19T00:31:21Z

Svend: Added comment about digits vs numbers.

2013-06-18T10:25:16Z

Added comment about digits vs numbers.

121.219.96.178: commented from my experience

2013-06-04T02:29:08Z

commented from my experience

Dgbrt at 23:00, 23 May 2013

2013-05-23T23:00:31Z

130.123.96.22 at 21:52, 23 May 2013

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Zom-B at 08:03, 20 May 2013

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	In response to people saying no one can see the big numbers - I saw them easily. I don't have any particularly special condition, though (that I know of), but I saw the '42' before I even read the caption. It jumps out at me whenever I shift my point of focus slightly. Surely I'm not the only one? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.251\|141.101.98.251]] 04:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)		In response to people saying no one can see the big numbers - I saw them easily. I don't have any particularly special condition, though (that I know of), but I saw the '42' before I even read the caption. It jumps out at me whenever I shift my point of focus slightly. Surely I'm not the only one? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.251\|141.101.98.251]] 04:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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		+	I saw this asked a few places so: I see different colors for letters and words (c, a, t and cat have unrelated colors) and similarly for numbers. So I would see the same color for big and little twos but different colors for the other components. No contradiction here, it just depends on what I'm focusing on. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.42.167\|172.70.42.167]] 05:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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	On the left half, the number 9 is missing. Similarly, on the right the number 2 is missing. This makes the number 92 or 29 (any ideas?). There is a floating 2 in the bottom center, the origin is unknown but it does look like a decimal point but that yould defeat the purpose of the number 42 (any ideas?) --[[User:Zom-B\|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B\|talk]]) 07:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)		On the left half, the number 9 is missing. Similarly, on the right the number 2 is missing. This makes the number 92 or 29 (any ideas?). There is a floating 2 in the bottom center, the origin is unknown but it does look like a decimal point but that yould defeat the purpose of the number 42 (any ideas?) --[[User:Zom-B\|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B\|talk]]) 07:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	: There is also a floating 4 on the left. [[User:ConscriptGuide\|ConscriptGuide]] ([[User talk:ConscriptGuide\|talk]]) 18:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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	I think it should say "one digit" or "two digits", rather than one or two "numbers", as 42 is just one number (consisting of two digits), though of course it _could_ be read as the two numbers 4 and 2, that just happen to be placed next to each other. I know this is less important when it doesn't actually work :P		I think it should say "one digit" or "two digits", rather than one or two "numbers", as 42 is just one number (consisting of two digits), though of course it _could_ be read as the two numbers 4 and 2, that just happen to be placed next to each other. I know this is less important when it doesn't actually work :P
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		+	In response to people saying no one can see the big numbers - I saw them easily. I don't have any particularly special condition, though (that I know of), but I saw the '42' before I even read the caption. It jumps out at me whenever I shift my point of focus slightly. Surely I'm not the only one? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.251\|141.101.98.251]] 04:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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 :Reading it on an iPad, by zooming right out, I can get occasional brief flashes of the number while moving my eyes - though I initially read it as 92, probably because I couldn't look directly at it. I can't work out what it is that makes it jump out at me, though - maybe my eyes are catching the pattern of sevens, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/123.243.65.31|123.243.65.31]] 09:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 :: I also read it as 92, but without any tricks. Just by painfully staring at the image my brain makes out lines and curves, till i found the 92. Is that normal? :D [[Special:Contributions/88.70.142.19|88.70.142.19]] 13:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 In the last image, I think it would be better to have the background, the 4, and the 2 be made of different shades of 3 different colors to make it clear why someone who is colorblind would only see one of the numbers. Say, the background is different shades of green, the 4 is blue, and the 2 is red. That is, if I'm understanding this comic correctly. [[Special:Contributions/184.170.166.111|184.170.166.111]] 07:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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 :I have heard from real synesthete people that there are too many chaotic numbers on the picture. I did add an explanation on the bottom of the main page. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 14:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 ::I experience the same. But what about [[User:Otherthings]] who claims he sees all colors at once. Different synesthesia or fake? Also, when examining numbers to invoke colors, you forget past colors, unless the subject has a photographic memory and won't lose the colors? Even then s/he still needs to look at every single digit in the image in individually. --[[User:Zom-B|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B|talk]]) 08:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 What does it mean if I can see multiple giant numbers?  When I looked at this, I immediately saw a giant 58 - and had no idea what 58 was supposed to mean.  Then I could see other numbers as well, of varying mixed sizes.

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	PLEASE understand that this Black and White "color perception test" can not work. Nobody can see that Big Numbers. And this is just only the first part of this joke.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)		PLEASE understand that this Black and White "color perception test" can not work. Nobody can see that Big Numbers. And this is just only the first part of this joke.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	I think it should say "one digit" or "two digits", rather than one or two "numbers", as 42 is just one number (consisting of two digits), though of course it _could_ be read as the two numbers 4 and 2, that just happen to be placed next to each other. I know this is less important when it doesn't actually work :P

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 ::: Good catch! I'm not sure how exactly how synesthesia works, but even if the perceived number (due to a perceived colour) further incites a perceived colour, you can still have a combined diagnostic. You just have to make sure that the big number is made up of little ones of the same number; or, atleast made of other numbers which are of the same colour as the desired big number. The latter requires that you assume synesthesia is one way only (for instance - perceiving number triggers colour, but not vice versa) [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 11:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 ::: No no, it pretty much works!  I've got colored-grapheme synesthesia, and while the numbers don't jump out at me as easily as they would if they were made of real colors, I am able to see them pretty clearly if I lean close enough to my monitor to be able to take in all of the small numbers' shapes at once. I posted a description of what it looks like to me here: [http://otherthings.com/blog/2013/05/ishihara-eat-your-heart-out/#more-899 Rungy Chungy Cheese Bees] It's a bit harder for me to see because I'm an "associator" type of synesthete, as opposed to a "projector" type. But I imagine for a true projector synesthete this would be about as easy as a normal Ishihara colorblindness test. [[User:Otherthings|Otherthings]] ([[User talk:Otherthings|talk]]) 20:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 <Nitpicking> The alt text is slightly off the mark isn't it? Wouldn't a diplopic(?) person see two images of the diagnostic rather than two numbers in the same diagnostic? Also, you needn't be colour blind to fulfill the condition of perceiving only one digit. Your synesthesia might have a colour blindness, while your optical system does not. </Nitpicking> [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 11:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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 ::Yah, I laughed pretty hard when I saw it last night.  Still worth explaining all the intracacies, like people wondering what's wrong with "Locate City" nukes [[User:Odysseus654|Odysseus654]] ([[User talk:Odysseus654|talk]]) 20:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 :Actually, there's research on that. People with colorblindness and synesthesia do "see" some numbers in colours that they don't recognise from their everyday experience. (That's because as you said, colorblindness happens at the receptor level and synesthesia happens in the brain). Check out this TED talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/vilayanur_ramachandran_on_your_mind.html?quote=222 --- Mel
 :: Sorry, wrong link. I meant this talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_lsSx5w14 --- Mel
 As a colorblind person, I would like to point out that it is not obvious to everybody that a normal person sees neither large number. At first glance, I assumed that normal people see both numbers, colorblind people see neither, and synthesesia allows colorblind people to see one.[[Special:Contributions/75.69.96.225|75.69.96.225]] 20:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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	What does it mean if I can see multiple giant numbers? When I looked at this, I immediately saw a giant 58 - and had no idea what 58 was supposed to mean. Then I could see other numbers as well, of varying mixed sizes.		What does it mean if I can see multiple giant numbers? When I looked at this, I immediately saw a giant 58 - and had no idea what 58 was supposed to mean. Then I could see other numbers as well, of varying mixed sizes.
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		+	PLEASE understand that this Black and White "color perception test" can not work. Nobody can see that Big Numbers. And this is just only the first part of this joke.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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	:I have heard from real synesthete people that there are too many chaotic numbers on the picture. I did add an explanation on the bottom of the main page. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 14:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		:I have heard from real synesthete people that there are too many chaotic numbers on the picture. I did add an explanation on the bottom of the main page. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 14:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I experience the same. But what about [[User:Otherthings]] who claims he sees all colors at once. Different synesthesia or fake? Also, when examining numbers to invoke colors, you forget past colors, unless the subject has a photographic memory and won't lose the colors? Even then s/he still needs to look at every single digit in the image in individually. --[[User:Zom-B\|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B\|talk]]) 08:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)		::I experience the same. But what about [[User:Otherthings]] who claims he sees all colors at once. Different synesthesia or fake? Also, when examining numbers to invoke colors, you forget past colors, unless the subject has a photographic memory and won't lose the colors? Even then s/he still needs to look at every single digit in the image in individually. --[[User:Zom-B\|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B\|talk]]) 08:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	What does it mean if I can see multiple giant numbers? When I looked at this, I immediately saw a giant 58 - and had no idea what 58 was supposed to mean. Then I could see other numbers as well, of varying mixed sizes.

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	This would be incredibly confusing to a synesthete. Wouldn't he/she see the big 4 and 2 as being colors of their own? And then, of course, its component numbers would be made of so many different colors. I think we need a real synesthete to look at this. [[Special:Contributions/71.176.19.228\|71.176.19.228]] 15:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		This would be incredibly confusing to a synesthete. Wouldn't he/she see the big 4 and 2 as being colors of their own? And then, of course, its component numbers would be made of so many different colors. I think we need a real synesthete to look at this. [[Special:Contributions/71.176.19.228\|71.176.19.228]] 15:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:I have heard from real synesthete people that there are too many chaotic numbers on the picture. I did add an explanation on the bottom of the main page. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 14:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		:I have heard from real synesthete people that there are too many chaotic numbers on the picture. I did add an explanation on the bottom of the main page. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 14:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
		+	::I experience the same. But what about [[User:Otherthings]] who claims he sees all colors at once. Different synesthesia or fake? Also, when examining numbers to invoke colors, you forget past colors, unless the subject has a photographic memory and won't lose the colors? Even then s/he still needs to look at every single digit in the image in individually. --[[User:Zom-B\|Zom-B]] ([[User talk:Zom-B\|talk]]) 08:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)