Talk:1217: Cells - Revision history

Bb777 at 16:03, 4 April 2025

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172.68.55.80 at 21:20, 15 January 2025

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172.68.54.156 at 21:20, 15 January 2025

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108.162.250.67 at 08:51, 7 June 2020

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Herobrine: Formatting error

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Formatting error

173.245.55.217 at 20:10, 11 December 2013

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Guru-45 at 02:18, 9 September 2013

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24.91.233.200: Actually, oxygen IS quite toxic

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Actually, oxygen IS quite toxic

Spongebog at 03:18, 28 May 2013

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	: The link above just leads me to various fake sites.		: The link above just leads me to various fake sites.
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		+	unless the bullet also has cwncer cells... [[User:Bb777\|me, hi]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 16:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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 I think [http://www.thethingspatientssay.com/2012/08/why-i-hate-herbal-supplements.html supplements i hate]this blog post is particularly relevant to this article --[[User:Guru-45|Guru-45]] ([[User talk:Guru-45|talk]]) 02:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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 I think [http://www.thethingspatientssay.com/2012/08/why-i-hate-herbal-supplements.html supplements i hate]this blog post is particularly relevant to this article --[[User:Guru-45|Guru-45]] ([[User talk:Guru-45|talk]]) 02:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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	I think [http://www.thethingspatientssay.com/2012/08/why-i-hate-herbal-supplements.html supplements i hate]this blog post is particularly relevant to this article --[[User:Guru-45\|Guru-45]] ([[User talk:Guru-45\|talk]]) 02:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)		I think [http://www.thethingspatientssay.com/2012/08/why-i-hate-herbal-supplements.html supplements i hate]this blog post is particularly relevant to this article --[[User:Guru-45\|Guru-45]] ([[User talk:Guru-45\|talk]]) 02:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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 One can test the cytotoxicity (the ability to kill cells) on a petri-dish level for cancer cells and healthy cells separately. However, this is often not done, knowingly neglecting selectivity issues one could face if the tests were done. This should be included in the explanation. The part that is written in the moment mainly explains the title text. [[Special:Contributions/130.60.152.125|130.60.152.125]] 08:34, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
-  Sorry to correct you. Toxicity is tested for both, healthy cells an cancer cells. But as the targets for drugs are often present in both celltypes, the drug itself affect also both cells. Then you have to choose between certain death by cancer in short time and maybe death or side effects in the long row but survival. It's replacing one evil with another. Only very modern anticancer drugs (e.g. Gleevec) are selective enough to target (mostly) only cancer cells. The drawback is, as cancer in different people is not the same but different cells, you would need different drugs for everybodey affected. One way here lies in the personalized medicine, but that is very expensive...
+:Sorry to correct you. Toxicity is tested for both, healthy cells an cancer cells. But as the targets for drugs are often present in both celltypes, the drug itself affect also both cells. Then you have to choose between certain death by cancer in short time and maybe death or side effects in the long row but survival. It's replacing one evil with another. Only very modern anticancer drugs (e.g. Gleevec) are selective enough to target (mostly) only cancer cells. The drawback is, as cancer in different people is not the same but different cells, you would need different drugs for everybodey affected. One way here lies in the personalized medicine, but that is very expensive...
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 :::That April's fool is also a really old joke. "dihydrogen monoxide". H (hydrogen), two times - and O (oxygen) one time (mono...). My body and also yours too contains 60% of water. Any link to cancer? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 ::::They are both dangerous to your health [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog|talk]]) 03:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 Actually, oxygen is quite toxic to all cells, even though our cells will quickly die without it.  A very large proportion of our physiological pathways are involved in the two tasks of (1) using oxygen to meet the energy needs of our cells while (2) protecting our cells from its toxicity.  Outside our cells also, oxygen is both essential and dangerous: much of our technology would not work without oxygen from the air, but that same oxygen creates a fire hazard.

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	Actually, oxygen is quite toxic to all cells, even though our cells will quickly die without it. A very large proportion of our physiological pathways are involved in the two tasks of (1) using oxygen to meet the energy needs of our cells while (2) protecting our cells from its toxicity. Outside our cells also, oxygen is both essential and dangerous: much of our technology would not work without oxygen from the air, but that same oxygen creates a fire hazard.		Actually, oxygen is quite toxic to all cells, even though our cells will quickly die without it. A very large proportion of our physiological pathways are involved in the two tasks of (1) using oxygen to meet the energy needs of our cells while (2) protecting our cells from its toxicity. Outside our cells also, oxygen is both essential and dangerous: much of our technology would not work without oxygen from the air, but that same oxygen creates a fire hazard.
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		+	I think [http://www.thethingspatientssay.com/2012/08/why-i-hate-herbal-supplements.html supplements i hate]this blog post is particularly relevant to this article --[[User:Guru-45\|Guru-45]] ([[User talk:Guru-45\|talk]]) 02:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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	:::That April's fool is also a really old joke. "dihydrogen monoxide". H (hydrogen), two times - and O (oxygen) one time (mono...). My body and also yours too contains 60% of water. Any link to cancer? --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)		:::That April's fool is also a really old joke. "dihydrogen monoxide". H (hydrogen), two times - and O (oxygen) one time (mono...). My body and also yours too contains 60% of water. Any link to cancer? --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::They are both dangerous to your health [[User:Spongebog\|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog\|talk]]) 03:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)		::::They are both dangerous to your health [[User:Spongebog\|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog\|talk]]) 03:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	Actually, oxygen is quite toxic to all cells, even though our cells will quickly die without it. A very large proportion of our physiological pathways are involved in the two tasks of (1) using oxygen to meet the energy needs of our cells while (2) protecting our cells from its toxicity. Outside our cells also, oxygen is both essential and dangerous: much of our technology would not work without oxygen from the air, but that same oxygen creates a fire hazard.
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	::Sure, we can just go with the Snopes [http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp] version instead ... [[User:Spongebog\|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog\|talk]]) 21:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)		::Sure, we can just go with the Snopes [http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp] version instead ... [[User:Spongebog\|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog\|talk]]) 21:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::That April's fool is also a really old joke. "dihydrogen monoxide". H (hydrogen), two times - and O (oxygen) one time (mono...). My body and also yours too contains 60% of water. Any link to cancer? --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)		:::That April's fool is also a really old joke. "dihydrogen monoxide". H (hydrogen), two times - and O (oxygen) one time (mono...). My body and also yours too contains 60% of water. Any link to cancer? --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
		+	::::They are both dangerous to your health [[User:Spongebog\|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog\|talk]]) 03:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)