Talk:1225: Ice Sheets - Revision history

Davidy22 at 00:45, 3 December 2013

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Mrarch at 00:28, 3 December 2013

2013-12-03T00:28:27Z

Dgbrt at 23:51, 2 December 2013

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Dgbrt at 23:43, 2 December 2013

2013-12-02T23:43:46Z

Mrarch at 22:47, 2 December 2013

2013-12-02T22:47:51Z

Dgbrt at 21:11, 2 December 2013

2013-12-02T21:11:45Z

Dgbrt: Small change on the layout.

2013-12-02T21:04:25Z

Small change on the layout.

Mrarch at 17:15, 2 December 2013

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Davidy22 at 00:52, 30 July 2013

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Dgbrt: /* The end of the explanation */

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‎The end of the explanation

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 :::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 :::::::But I don't like edit wars, just a small enhancement will be done. PEACE and "live long and prosper". <- STAR TREK --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
-::::::::i still don't see the reason to include any reference to sea levels as it does not help to explain the comic in any way. I dont like the edit war either so i'm fine to leave it as you wrote it though i think it could be improved by leaving out the part about how much the sea level was effected.
+::::::::i still don't see the reason to include any reference to sea levels as it does not help to explain the comic in any way. I dont like the edit war either so i'm fine to leave it as you wrote it though i think it could be improved by leaving out the part about how much the sea level was effected. {{unsigned|Mrarch}}

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	:::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		:::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::But I don't like edit wars, just a small enhancement will be done. PEACE and "live long and prosper". <- STAR TREK --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		:::::::But I don't like edit wars, just a small enhancement will be done. PEACE and "live long and prosper". <- STAR TREK --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
		+	::::::::i still don't see the reason to include any reference to sea levels as it does not help to explain the comic in any way. I dont like the edit war either so i'm fine to leave it as you wrote it though i think it could be improved by leaving out the part about how much the sea level was effected.

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	::::::If it must remain it should be rephrased as part of the context regarding the ice sheet. more information on the particulars of sea levels and other effects of the ice sheet are not required here. If readers want to know more they can refer to the paper cited in the comic.[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 22:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		::::::If it must remain it should be rephrased as part of the context regarding the ice sheet. more information on the particulars of sea levels and other effects of the ice sheet are not required here. If readers want to know more they can refer to the paper cited in the comic.[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 22:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		:::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
		+	:::::::But I don't like edit wars, just a small enhancement will be done. PEACE and "live long and prosper". <- STAR TREK --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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	:::::The title text is well covered in paragraph two, but an explain showing the consequences should also explained here. Any other suggestions? If this issue is solved the incomplete tag has to be removed.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		:::::The title text is well covered in paragraph two, but an explain showing the consequences should also explained here. Any other suggestions? If this issue is solved the incomplete tag has to be removed.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
	::::::If it must remain it should be rephrased as part of the context regarding the ice sheet. more information on the particulars of sea levels and other effects of the ice sheet are not required here. If readers want to know more they can refer to the paper cited in the comic.[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 22:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		::::::If it must remain it should be rephrased as part of the context regarding the ice sheet. more information on the particulars of sea levels and other effects of the ice sheet are not required here. If readers want to know more they can refer to the paper cited in the comic.[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 22:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
		+	:::::::And I'm sorry, but the sea level did not raise at that times.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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	::::[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		::::[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
	:::::The title text is well covered in paragraph two, but an explain showing the consequences should also explained here. Any other suggestions? If this issue is solved the incomplete tag has to be removed.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		:::::The title text is well covered in paragraph two, but an explain showing the consequences should also explained here. Any other suggestions? If this issue is solved the incomplete tag has to be removed.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
		+	::::::If it must remain it should be rephrased as part of the context regarding the ice sheet. more information on the particulars of sea levels and other effects of the ice sheet are not required here. If readers want to know more they can refer to the paper cited in the comic.[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 22:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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	::::There is no need to bring any discussion of glacial melt, sea level change or any other implications of glacial action into the explanation of the comic. I propose that the third paragraph be removed from the explanation and the explanation considered complete.		::::There is no need to bring any discussion of glacial melt, sea level change or any other implications of glacial action into the explanation of the comic. I propose that the third paragraph be removed from the explanation and the explanation considered complete.
	::::[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)		::::[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
		+	:::::The title text is well covered in paragraph two, but an explain showing the consequences should also explained here. Any other suggestions? If this issue is solved the incomplete tag has to be removed.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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 ::::The title text is the joke here. The comic image is simply a bit of information found in a paper on glacial action in north america overlaid with another bit of information on the heights of buildings in metropolitan areas. This visual juxtaposition adds interest to both sets of data by correlating two topics that we don't often think about together that are already linked through location and displaced in time. The title text joke further strengthens reader interest in the paper by humorously comparing the act of writing scientific papers to the creation, review and marketing of movies in north american culture. By asserting that the original paper is better than the fictitious sequels we get a brilliant satire of north american entertainment culture and an appeal to readers to seek more entertainment in learning of and thinking about interesting data.  As the above comment mentions this is another example of interesting data presented in a visual way with a masterfully subtle satirical joke in the title text.
-There is no need to bring any discussion of glacial melt, sea level change or any other implications  of glacial action into the explanation of the comic. I propose that the third paragraph be removed from the explanation and the explanation considered complete.
+::::There is no need to bring any discussion of glacial melt, sea level change or any other implications  of glacial action into the explanation of the comic. I propose that the third paragraph be removed from the explanation and the explanation considered complete.
-[[User:Mrarch|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
+::::[[User:Mrarch|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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	::I did an update to this section. My former edit was in fact ambiguous; the comic shows only four major cities from North America. But I think that sea level issue is a direct result and should be mentioned here.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 17:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		::I did an update to this section. My former edit was in fact ambiguous; the comic shows only four major cities from North America. But I think that sea level issue is a direct result and should be mentioned here.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 17:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::FWIW, I like that version much better. (And addresses my point, and hopeully DK3k's, about no mention of sea levels in the comic by now ''relating'' the indicated ice with global sea levels as an off-comic exemplar.) A final remaining bit of 'picky' is that it still puts the subordinate title-text joke as primary with the meaning of the comic image as a 'by the way', but that's minor semantics in comparison. Good show. [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215\|178.107.249.215]] 19:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		:::FWIW, I like that version much better. (And addresses my point, and hopeully DK3k's, about no mention of sea levels in the comic by now ''relating'' the indicated ice with global sea levels as an off-comic exemplar.) A final remaining bit of 'picky' is that it still puts the subordinate title-text joke as primary with the meaning of the comic image as a 'by the way', but that's minor semantics in comparison. Good show. [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215\|178.107.249.215]] 19:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
		+	::::The title text is the joke here. The comic image is simply a bit of information found in a paper on glacial action in north america overlaid with another bit of information on the heights of buildings in metropolitan areas. This visual juxtaposition adds interest to both sets of data by correlating two topics that we don't often think about together that are already linked through location and displaced in time. The title text joke further strengthens reader interest in the paper by humorously comparing the act of writing scientific papers to the creation, review and marketing of movies in north american culture. By asserting that the original paper is better than the fictitious sequels we get a brilliant satire of north american entertainment culture and an appeal to readers to seek more entertainment in learning of and thinking about interesting data. As the above comment mentions this is another example of interesting data presented in a visual way with a masterfully subtle satirical joke in the title text.
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		+	There is no need to bring any discussion of glacial melt, sea level change or any other implications of glacial action into the explanation of the comic. I propose that the third paragraph be removed from the explanation and the explanation considered complete.
		+	[[User:Mrarch\|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch\|talk]]) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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 :I don't think so, just because someone finds it amazing how deep the ice during the last glaciation was, doesn't imply anything about their opinion on the causes of changes in climate over the few centuries. By the way, the glaciers have {{w|Timeline_of_glaciation|melted and refrozen lots of times}}, they haven't always been melting.[[User:NHSavage|NHSavage]] ([[User talk:NHSavage|talk]]) 18:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-==Global Warming==
+;Global Warming
 The actual climate discussion is still not solved. But we do know very well that the ocean sea level was 130 Meters lower than today at that time. At the end of that period the sea level was growing fast, but then it did raise slower later, and that raise didn't stop until today. Randall is only showing ICE levels, not more.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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 Add to this that Randall shows only Leftpondian locations (and upper-Leftpondian ones, at that, due to the specialised scope of the source paper) this also makes me wonder why Europe and Asia are mentioned in that para, (unless it's meant to say "Ice Ages didn't just happen to North American, but also to similar latitudes in a circumpolar fashion", in which case could we also add anything we know about the southern hemisphere as well?).  But that's a minor niggle I have in a paragraph that (obviously, from the length I've been taking pains to discuss all this within) I just can't get a handle on in the first place.  But perhaps I'm missing something so, rather than editing and excising the main article, here I ramble on about it.  Perhaps to pursuade some prior contributor to re-explain their particular contributions.  (We now return you to your regularly scheduled programme...) [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215|178.107.249.215]] 22:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
-== The end of the explanation ==
+;The end of the explanation
 It seems to suggest that the comic shows European and Asian glaciers, which is ... clearly false. What's that bit about?

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 :Well ''maybe'' that's {{w|Boston, Lincolnshire}} or {{w|Montreal, Catalonia}}.  Or even the respective ones in the Philippines/Jordan.  But I still doubt it. ;)  Anyway, as per the TL;DR; mess of my prior comment 'contribution' I still don't like that ending.  But that could just be me misreading. [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215|178.107.249.215]] 11:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 ::Nope, those are definitely the North American cities. The skylines are accurate - you can clearly see Hancock Place and the Prudential Tower in the Boston skyline, and Mount Royal in the Montreal drawing.[[Special:Contributions/24.114.255.99|24.114.255.99]] 15:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
+:::I did edit this section a week ago. It should be clear now that only North American cities are shown on the comic (see below).--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 :Apart from the end of the explanation being written ambiguously, as to lead to your confusion, I think it is unnecessary to even include it as there is no mention of sea levels in the comic at all. --[[User:Dangerkeith3000|Dangerkeith3000]] ([[User talk:Dangerkeith3000|talk]]) 15:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 ::I did an update to this section. My former edit was in fact ambiguous; the comic shows only four major cities from North America. But I think that sea level issue is a direct result and should be mentioned here.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 :::FWIW, I like that version much better. (And addresses my point, and hopeully DK3k's, about no mention of sea levels in the comic by now ''relating'' the indicated ice with global sea levels as an off-comic exemplar.)  A final remaining bit of 'picky' is that it still puts the subordinate title-text joke as primary with the meaning of the comic image as a 'by the way', but that's minor semantics in comparison.  Good show. [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215|178.107.249.215]] 19:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)