Talk:1226: Balloon Internet - Revision history

Dgbrt at 21:56, 18 June 2013

2013-06-18T21:56:16Z

TobyBartels: Forget Obama …

2013-06-18T21:45:39Z

Forget Obama …

181.112.80.12: Added my own comment plus correcting a previously unsigned comment.

2013-06-18T00:11:09Z

Added my own comment plus correcting a previously unsigned comment.

76.106.251.87 at 22:13, 17 June 2013

2013-06-17T22:13:15Z

190.246.213.53 at 17:06, 17 June 2013

2013-06-17T17:06:39Z

178.107.249.215 at 12:35, 17 June 2013

2013-06-17T12:35:08Z

38.66.68.209: Title text

2013-06-17T11:04:44Z

Title text

MGitsfullofsheep: Balloon size and distance.

2013-06-17T10:07:30Z

Balloon size and distance.

193.231.162.31 at 09:18, 17 June 2013

2013-06-17T09:18:58Z

220.224.246.97 at 09:08, 17 June 2013

2013-06-17T09:08:16Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:56, 18 June 2013
Line 17:		Line 17:
	:A bit off on a tangent to talk about Obama here...--[[Special:Contributions/181.112.80.12\|181.112.80.12]] 00:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)		:A bit off on a tangent to talk about Obama here...--[[Special:Contributions/181.112.80.12\|181.112.80.12]] 00:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
	:: Forget Obama then; still, the NSA has taken mass records of people's communications through Google (and other providers), which should make any good liberal suspicious. Why shouldn't Randall make a comment about that? —[[User:TobyBartels\|TobyBartels]] ([[User talk:TobyBartels\|talk]]) 21:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)		:: Forget Obama then; still, the NSA has taken mass records of people's communications through Google (and other providers), which should make any good liberal suspicious. Why shouldn't Randall make a comment about that? —[[User:TobyBartels\|TobyBartels]] ([[User talk:TobyBartels\|talk]]) 21:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
		+	:::My two cents: Obama killed Osama, but this comic is just Goooogle, Verizon and maybe Big Brother by companies. There is nothing referring to NSA or something similar.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:45, 18 June 2013
Line 16:		Line 16:
	My interpretation is that the balloon is "spying" at cueball, and when he notice that, the balloon says "Internet" a clear reference to Google involvement in the Obama's Watergate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:190.246.213.53\|190.246.213.53]] ([[User talk:190.246.213.53\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/190.246.213.53\|contribs]]).		My interpretation is that the balloon is "spying" at cueball, and when he notice that, the balloon says "Internet" a clear reference to Google involvement in the Obama's Watergate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:190.246.213.53\|190.246.213.53]] ([[User talk:190.246.213.53\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/190.246.213.53\|contribs]]).
	:A bit off on a tangent to talk about Obama here...--[[Special:Contributions/181.112.80.12\|181.112.80.12]] 00:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)		:A bit off on a tangent to talk about Obama here...--[[Special:Contributions/181.112.80.12\|181.112.80.12]] 00:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
		+	:: Forget Obama then; still, the NSA has taken mass records of people's communications through Google (and other providers), which should make any good liberal suspicious. Why shouldn't Randall make a comment about that? —[[User:TobyBartels\|TobyBartels]] ([[User talk:TobyBartels\|talk]]) 21:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 00:11, 18 June 2013
Line 14:		Line 14:


−	My interpretation is that the balloon is "spying" at cueball, and when he notice that, the balloon says "Internet" a clear reference to Google involvement in the Obama's Watergate.	+	My interpretation is that the balloon is "spying" at cueball, and when he notice that, the balloon says "Internet" a clear reference to Google involvement in the Obama's Watergate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:190.246.213.53\|190.246.213.53]] ([[User talk:190.246.213.53\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/190.246.213.53\|contribs]]).
		+	:A bit off on a tangent to talk about Obama here...--[[Special:Contributions/181.112.80.12\|181.112.80.12]] 00:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

@@ Line 2: / Line 2: @@
 : The original articles about the project have also seen some comments from people who see this sort of thing as an intrusion into the last areas which are supposed to be a refuge from global connectability - much like cell phones have been decried by those accustomed to be able to elude attempts to be contacted when not around a fixed telephone. I think this may have similar overtones - a general idea that some areas are _supposed_ to be secluded like that. Only a guess though... --[[Special:Contributions/193.231.162.31|193.231.162.31]] 09:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 :: There's a comparison to be made between being in signal range for mobile phones but deliberately not carrying one (or turning the one you have off for the duration) and being now within reach of the Internet but again with deliberate non-connection to this.  (On one hand I accidentally (''genuinely'' accidentally) forgot my mobile yesterday, when I went out, and missed four calls.  Or one call re-attempted three times.  I'm also in a '4G' area for mobile internet, but I quite deliberately have a phone that doesn't have any browsing capability at all, so I'm swimming in 4G access but 'happily' unaffected even when I don't forget (or 'forget') my phone.)  Arguably there's far more benefits for having the ''potential'' of connectivity (so long as you make it universally possible and not Rich Boys' Toys-enabled only, which is already the case) than deliberately making areas of the planet 'dark' to such things just to reinforce some select people's 'spiritual abstinence' from such 'fripperies'.  Implementation is the key to this blanket equality (or "raising to the common good"), of course. [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215|178.107.249.215]] 12:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 There is a visual ambiguity as if the balloon is big and far (big enough to carry a person), or small and close.

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:06, 17 June 2013
Line 11:		Line 11:
	[[Special:Contributions/38.66.68.209\|38.66.68.209]] 11:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		[[Special:Contributions/38.66.68.209\|38.66.68.209]] 11:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
	:I believe that the 'scheme' is to immediately replace cancelled Verizon hotspots with new (temporary) Verizon hotspots, being refunded (or never charged) continually in order to rip off Verizon (for as long as they don't get suspicious, in their Contracts department, at least) and provide no-cost broadcasting. The geographic limitation applies, of course, unless (by clever manipulation of location-based demand for the service, not even hinted at by the text concerned) you encourage Verizon's catchment areas to spread outwards and over previously unserviced areas with the extra infrastructure they might install. Brinksmanship at its finest, though, if you get ''that'' working... [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215\|178.107.249.215]] 12:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		:I believe that the 'scheme' is to immediately replace cancelled Verizon hotspots with new (temporary) Verizon hotspots, being refunded (or never charged) continually in order to rip off Verizon (for as long as they don't get suspicious, in their Contracts department, at least) and provide no-cost broadcasting. The geographic limitation applies, of course, unless (by clever manipulation of location-based demand for the service, not even hinted at by the text concerned) you encourage Verizon's catchment areas to spread outwards and over previously unserviced areas with the extra infrastructure they might install. Brinksmanship at its finest, though, if you get ''that'' working... [[Special:Contributions/178.107.249.215\|178.107.249.215]] 12:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
		+
		+
		+	My interpretation is that the balloon is "spying" at cueball, and when he notice that, the balloon says "Internet" a clear reference to Google involvement in the Obama's Watergate.

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
 Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 : The original articles about the project have also seen some comments from people who see this sort of thing as an intrusion into the last areas which are supposed to be a refuge from global connectability - much like cell phones have been decried by those accustomed to be able to elude attempts to be contacted when not around a fixed telephone. I think this may have similar overtones - a general idea that some areas are _supposed_ to be secluded like that. Only a guess though... --[[Special:Contributions/193.231.162.31|193.231.162.31]] 09:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 There is a visual ambiguity as if the balloon is big and far (big enough to carry a person), or small and close.
@@ Line 9: / Line 10: @@
 The mouseover text describes a plan to sell wireless access by putting Verizon wireless hotspots on balloons, then cancelling their subscriptions.  This would be twice a ripoff.  First, in places within signal range of a Verizon tower there is no need for something like Project Loon; the whole point is to deliver Internet access to places that do not have it now.  Second, cancelling their subscriptions will mean after the intitial trial period the service won't work anymore.
 [[Special:Contributions/38.66.68.209|38.66.68.209]] 11:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:04, 17 June 2013
Line 6:		Line 6:
	The balloon is not shouting (no exclamation mark), rather speaking at normal level.		The balloon is not shouting (no exclamation mark), rather speaking at normal level.
	If the balloon was big and far, speaking normally, Cueball would not have startled and cried out "Augh!". So the balloon must be small and close, e.g. distance between observer and balloon is same as distance between observer and Cueball. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 10:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		If the balloon was big and far, speaking normally, Cueball would not have startled and cried out "Augh!". So the balloon must be small and close, e.g. distance between observer and balloon is same as distance between observer and Cueball. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 10:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
		+
		+	The mouseover text describes a plan to sell wireless access by putting Verizon wireless hotspots on balloons, then cancelling their subscriptions. This would be twice a ripoff. First, in places within signal range of a Verizon tower there is no need for something like Project Loon; the whole point is to deliver Internet access to places that do not have it now. Second, cancelling their subscriptions will mean after the intitial trial period the service won't work anymore.
		+	[[Special:Contributions/38.66.68.209\|38.66.68.209]] 11:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:07, 17 June 2013
Line 1:		Line 1:
	Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
	: The original articles about the project have also seen some comments from people who see this sort of thing as an intrusion into the last areas which are supposed to be a refuge from global connectability - much like cell phones have been decried by those accustomed to be able to elude attempts to be contacted when not around a fixed telephone. I think this may have similar overtones - a general idea that some areas are _supposed_ to be secluded like that. Only a guess though... --[[Special:Contributions/193.231.162.31\|193.231.162.31]] 09:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		: The original articles about the project have also seen some comments from people who see this sort of thing as an intrusion into the last areas which are supposed to be a refuge from global connectability - much like cell phones have been decried by those accustomed to be able to elude attempts to be contacted when not around a fixed telephone. I think this may have similar overtones - a general idea that some areas are _supposed_ to be secluded like that. Only a guess though... --[[Special:Contributions/193.231.162.31\|193.231.162.31]] 09:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
		+
		+	There is a visual ambiguity as if the balloon is big and far (big enough to carry a person), or small and close.
		+	First, transmission balloons are not meant to carry a person, only a small box containing electronic equipment.
		+	The balloon is not shouting (no exclamation mark), rather speaking at normal level.
		+	If the balloon was big and far, speaking normally, Cueball would not have startled and cried out "Augh!". So the balloon must be small and close, e.g. distance between observer and balloon is same as distance between observer and Cueball. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 10:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:18, 17 June 2013
Line 1:		Line 1:
	Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
		+	: The original articles about the project have also seen some comments from people who see this sort of thing as an intrusion into the last areas which are supposed to be a refuge from global connectability - much like cell phones have been decried by those accustomed to be able to elude attempts to be contacted when not around a fixed telephone. I think this may have similar overtones - a general idea that some areas are _supposed_ to be secluded like that. Only a guess though... --[[Special:Contributions/193.231.162.31\|193.231.162.31]] 09:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:08, 17 June 2013
Line 1:		Line 1:
−	Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/2/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)	+	Does the action take place in a desert ? Compare scenery with http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/File:Petit_Prince_etoile.jpg . Is Cueball reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_prince The Little Prince] ? See comics [http://xkcd.com/618/ #618], [http://xkcd.com/2/ #2] and what-if article [http://what-if.xkcd.com/26/ leap seconds] if you doubt that The Little Prince occupies a good share of Randall's mind. [[User:MGitsfullofsheep\|MGitsfullofsheep]] ([[User talk:MGitsfullofsheep\|talk]]) 08:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)