Talk:1390: Research Ethics - Revision history

Kynde at 10:03, 5 July 2014

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Davidy22 at 00:59, 5 July 2014

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173.245.56.162 at 19:18, 4 July 2014

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173.245.50.84: People here believe Randall is God. They think that even his mistakes are very deliberate. Fortunately now we know for sure he made a mistake, because he corrected it after a few hours.

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People here believe Randall is God. They think that even his mistakes are very deliberate. Fortunately now we know for sure he made a mistake, because he corrected it after a few hours.

173.245.52.169: DNA

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DNA

173.245.54.183 at 13:31, 4 July 2014

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Davidy22 at 12:35, 4 July 2014

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Davidy22 at 12:34, 4 July 2014

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ExternalMonolog at 12:28, 4 July 2014

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141.101.103.215 at 12:03, 4 July 2014

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 It's very deliberate. The illusion demonstrates what the brain chooses not to see. Facebook is making some content not visible to us as an experiment. There really is far less subtext to this than you think there is. There isn't some deep meaning. It was an experiment to see if we would see it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.152|173.245.56.152]] 07:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 :People here believe Randall is God. They think that even his mistakes are very deliberate. Fortunately now we know for sure he made a mistake, because he corrected it after a few hours. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.84|173.245.50.84]] 16:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 My version of the comic does not have the repeating what. Either it was a typo that has been fixed or there are 2 versions of the comic and Randall is performing his own experiment to judge our reactions to the different comics (I didnt sign any agreements.)[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.183|173.245.54.183]] 13:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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 I read the title text as bitter sarcasm. And it plays in to the message in another comic, I don't know which, about someone being warned not to place his private information in the custody of another without strict limits on the power of that other. (I'm playing the world's tiniest violin" was the punch line on that one. Also used by The Kids In the Hall!)
 The impact by those who manage and manipulate information is seldom clear and both it's motivation and it's impact on our decisions remains not only largely unnoticed in daily life but also unknowable. Just because we give control of information to another doesn't mean we agree to be either a lab rat or open to manipulation by them whether we recognize it or not. Whether it's someone trying to achieve power (government) or someone trying to earn a profit (business), the burden-of-proof should be on them that the effect is benign. I know this sounds a bit Ayn Randian, a person whose politics I deeply distrust, but even scary people can get things right some of the time.[[User:ExternalMonolog|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog|talk]]) 11:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog
+:I have added a link to the comic [[743: Infrastructures]] in the explanation (which you found you self, can I see below.) You can always answer to an earlier comment, by adding a (:) or more before your text, so it will be clear that it is a direct answer to a specific comic. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 The title text is an oblique reference to the implications of recent SCOTUS ruling on corporations having similar rights as people (albeit to do with religion, as opposed to privacy), no? {{unsigned ip|108.162.228.41}}
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 This comic has some relationship to http://xkcd.com/1150/. {{unsigned ip|141.101.103.215}}
 I'm pretty sure "the code that governs our lives" (or my life, at least) is DNA, not the computer code running your favorite social network. {{unsigned ip|173.245.52.169}}
 The comic I mentioned in an above comment is Infrastructures http://xkcd.com/743/ [[User:ExternalMonolog|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog|talk]]) 12:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog

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 This comic has some relationship to http://xkcd.com/1150/. {{unsigned ip|141.101.103.215}}
-I'm pretty sure "the code that governs our lives" (or my life, at least) is DNA, not the computer code running your favorite social network.----
+I'm pretty sure "the code that governs our lives" (or my life, at least) is DNA, not the computer code running your favorite social network. {{unsigned ip|173.245.52.169}}
 The comic I mentioned in an above comment is Infrastructures http://xkcd.com/743/ [[User:ExternalMonolog|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog|talk]]) 12:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog

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 I was reading the title text to be a reference to open source code and the more zealous belief that ALL code should be open source.  Not necessarily making a comment on it, so much as trying to raise the point (almost as a troll) to compare privacy concerns with access to source code.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.91|108.162.216.91]] 08:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
+:I read it the same way. Seems more of a comment on how if this was under the GNU AGPL then it wouldn't have been a surprise, and people would know just what they were getting into. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.162|173.245.56.162]] 19:18, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 I read it and couldn't understand what what she was saying. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.222.50|108.162.222.50]] 08:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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	It's very deliberate. The illusion demonstrates what the brain chooses not to see. Facebook is making some content not visible to us as an experiment. There really is far less subtext to this than you think there is. There isn't some deep meaning. It was an experiment to see if we would see it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.152\|173.245.56.152]] 07:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)		It's very deliberate. The illusion demonstrates what the brain chooses not to see. Facebook is making some content not visible to us as an experiment. There really is far less subtext to this than you think there is. There isn't some deep meaning. It was an experiment to see if we would see it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.152\|173.245.56.152]] 07:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
		+	:People here believe Randall is God. They think that even his mistakes are very deliberate. Fortunately now we know for sure he made a mistake, because he corrected it after a few hours. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.84\|173.245.50.84]] 16:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

	My version of the comic does not have the repeating what. Either it was a typo that has been fixed or there are 2 versions of the comic and Randall is performing his own experiment to judge our reactions to the different comics (I didnt sign any agreements.)[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.183\|173.245.54.183]] 13:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)		My version of the comic does not have the repeating what. Either it was a typo that has been fixed or there are 2 versions of the comic and Randall is performing his own experiment to judge our reactions to the different comics (I didnt sign any agreements.)[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.183\|173.245.54.183]] 13:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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		+	I'm pretty sure "the code that governs our lives" (or my life, at least) is DNA, not the computer code running your favorite social network.----

	The comic I mentioned in an above comment is Infrastructures http://xkcd.com/743/ [[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 12:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog		The comic I mentioned in an above comment is Infrastructures http://xkcd.com/743/ [[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 12:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog

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	It's very deliberate. The illusion demonstrates what the brain chooses not to see. Facebook is making some content not visible to us as an experiment. There really is far less subtext to this than you think there is. There isn't some deep meaning. It was an experiment to see if we would see it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.152\|173.245.56.152]] 07:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)		It's very deliberate. The illusion demonstrates what the brain chooses not to see. Facebook is making some content not visible to us as an experiment. There really is far less subtext to this than you think there is. There isn't some deep meaning. It was an experiment to see if we would see it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.56.152\|173.245.56.152]] 07:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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		+	My version of the comic does not have the repeating what. Either it was a typo that has been fixed or there are 2 versions of the comic and Randall is performing his own experiment to judge our reactions to the different comics (I didnt sign any agreements.)[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.183\|173.245.54.183]] 13:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

	"Similarly, what the text is saying is we have no right to peer into the algorithms that do that snooping because it belongs to Facebook and it wouldn't be fair to them for us to see it." I think the title text is actually saying the opposite. "it's not like we could just demand to see the code that's <b><i>governing our lives</i></b>". It looks like it's being sarcastic, since anything that runs our lives should be our business by default. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.161\|108.162.237.161]] 08:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)		"Similarly, what the text is saying is we have no right to peer into the algorithms that do that snooping because it belongs to Facebook and it wouldn't be fair to them for us to see it." I think the title text is actually saying the opposite. "it's not like we could just demand to see the code that's <b><i>governing our lives</i></b>". It looks like it's being sarcastic, since anything that runs our lives should be our business by default. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.161\|108.162.237.161]] 08:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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−	The title text is an oblique reference to the implications of recent SCOTUS ruling on corporations having similar rights as people (albeit to do with religion, as opposed to privacy), no?	+	The title text is an oblique reference to the implications of recent SCOTUS ruling on corporations having similar rights as people (albeit to do with religion, as opposed to privacy), no? {{unsigned ip\|108.162.228.41}}
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	The SCOTUS ruling follows a US Supreme Court decision in the late 19th century that "A corporation is a person". Ironically, the justification for this ruling was based on a law clerk's note in the margin of a previous decision stating that the said previous decision could create the situation where a corporation has the same rights as a person. The decision at hand was to decide the validity of a presidential election and the the Supreme Court took the notes made by the clerk as law. it's clear the court knew what it's ruling meant, but it's not clear what the courts motivation was for accepting the clerks notes as if it had been an already rendered decision![[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 11:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog		The SCOTUS ruling follows a US Supreme Court decision in the late 19th century that "A corporation is a person". Ironically, the justification for this ruling was based on a law clerk's note in the margin of a previous decision stating that the said previous decision could create the situation where a corporation has the same rights as a person. The decision at hand was to decide the validity of a presidential election and the the Supreme Court took the notes made by the clerk as law. it's clear the court knew what it's ruling meant, but it's not clear what the courts motivation was for accepting the clerks notes as if it had been an already rendered decision![[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 11:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog

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		+	The comic I mentioned in an above comment is Infrastructures http://xkcd.com/743/ [[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 12:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog

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	The title text is an oblique reference to the implications of recent SCOTUS ruling on corporations having similar rights as people (albeit to do with religion, as opposed to privacy), no?		The title text is an oblique reference to the implications of recent SCOTUS ruling on corporations having similar rights as people (albeit to do with religion, as opposed to privacy), no?
	The SCOTUS ruling follows a US Supreme Court decision in the late 19th century that "A corporation is a person". Ironically, the justification for this ruling was based on a law clerk's note in the margin of a previous decision stating that the said previous decision could create the situation where a corporation has the same rights as a person. The decision at hand was to decide the validity of a presidential election and the the Supreme Court took the notes made by the clerk as law. it's clear the court knew what it's ruling meant, but it's not clear what the courts motivation was for accepting the clerks notes as if it had been an already rendered decision![[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 11:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog		The SCOTUS ruling follows a US Supreme Court decision in the late 19th century that "A corporation is a person". Ironically, the justification for this ruling was based on a law clerk's note in the margin of a previous decision stating that the said previous decision could create the situation where a corporation has the same rights as a person. The decision at hand was to decide the validity of a presidential election and the the Supreme Court took the notes made by the clerk as law. it's clear the court knew what it's ruling meant, but it's not clear what the courts motivation was for accepting the clerks notes as if it had been an already rendered decision![[User:ExternalMonolog\|ExternalMonolog]] ([[User talk:ExternalMonolog\|talk]]) 11:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ExternalMonolog
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		+	This comic has some relationship to http://xkcd.com/1150/.