Talk:1414: Writing Skills - Revision history

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Yorkshire Pudding at 12:11, 2 May 2025

2025-05-02T12:11:30Z

Nitpicking: 3 year old assertion bugged me

2021-12-10T14:26:19Z

3 year old assertion bugged me

CharlesT at 23:37, 17 February 2021

2021-02-17T23:37:21Z

CharlesT at 23:36, 17 February 2021

2021-02-17T23:36:15Z

Merrill at 08:18, 1 August 2018

2018-08-01T08:18:00Z

Cben: fix link

2014-09-09T00:10:17Z

fix link

Cben: cite a few recent articles

2014-09-09T00:08:16Z

cite a few recent articles

Brettpeirce at 11:55, 2 September 2014

2014-09-02T11:55:01Z

173.245.52.215 at 02:21, 31 August 2014

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	Hang on. Is "sloppy ball skills" part of Cueball's baseball analogy, or an example of sexting...? [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)		Hang on. Is "sloppy ball skills" part of Cueball's baseball analogy, or an example of sexting...? [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Do you think this comic will age well with the advent of the chatGPT generation? I'm holding out hope that the kids will adapt. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:9BF8:50:F8D0:F3EB:549E:A8B4\|2600:1700:9BF8:50:F8D0:F3EB:549E:A8B4]] 17:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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	It may be true that grammar is essentially the language we use to talk about language. Nonetheless, you still need to master this sub-language. Lack of understanding of grammar impedes basic understanding - who is the actor in this sentence? What is the action? Who did what to who? What is this idea you are trying to communicate? I don't care about split infinitives or poorly placed commas. Rather, it's the old "eats shoots and leaves" jokes that remain salient. If you haven't mastered basic grammar when, for example, [https://writemyessay.pro writing an essay], nobody knows what you're talking about on a fundamental level. So, it's not merely terminology (adverb! gerund!) It is a necessary set of rules. [[User:Merrill\|Merrill]] ([[User talk:Merrill\|talk]]) 03:16, 01 August 2018 (GMT-5)		It may be true that grammar is essentially the language we use to talk about language. Nonetheless, you still need to master this sub-language. Lack of understanding of grammar impedes basic understanding - who is the actor in this sentence? What is the action? Who did what to who? What is this idea you are trying to communicate? I don't care about split infinitives or poorly placed commas. Rather, it's the old "eats shoots and leaves" jokes that remain salient. If you haven't mastered basic grammar when, for example, [https://writemyessay.pro writing an essay], nobody knows what you're talking about on a fundamental level. So, it's not merely terminology (adverb! gerund!) It is a necessary set of rules. [[User:Merrill\|Merrill]] ([[User talk:Merrill\|talk]]) 03:16, 01 August 2018 (GMT-5)
	:This would imply that writers like, say, Homer or Lady Murasaki, who never studied grammar, were incompetent. This is incorrect. One can master the rules without knowing the specific vocabulary and taxonomy of linguistics. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 14:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)		:This would imply that writers like, say, Homer or Lady Murasaki, who never studied grammar, were incompetent. This is incorrect. One can master the rules without knowing the specific vocabulary and taxonomy of linguistics. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 14:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Hang on. Is "sloppy ball skills" part of Cueball's baseball analogy, or an example of sexting...? [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

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	It may be true that grammar is essentially the language we use to talk about language. Nonetheless, you still need to master this sub-language. Lack of understanding of grammar impedes basic understanding - who is the actor in this sentence? What is the action? Who did what to who? What is this idea you are trying to communicate? I don't care about split infinitives or poorly placed commas. Rather, it's the old "eats shoots and leaves" jokes that remain salient. If you haven't mastered basic grammar when, for example, [https://writemyessay.pro writing an essay], nobody knows what you're talking about on a fundamental level. So, it's not merely terminology (adverb! gerund!) It is a necessary set of rules. [[User:Merrill\|Merrill]] ([[User talk:Merrill\|talk]]) 03:16, 01 August 2018 (GMT-5)		It may be true that grammar is essentially the language we use to talk about language. Nonetheless, you still need to master this sub-language. Lack of understanding of grammar impedes basic understanding - who is the actor in this sentence? What is the action? Who did what to who? What is this idea you are trying to communicate? I don't care about split infinitives or poorly placed commas. Rather, it's the old "eats shoots and leaves" jokes that remain salient. If you haven't mastered basic grammar when, for example, [https://writemyessay.pro writing an essay], nobody knows what you're talking about on a fundamental level. So, it's not merely terminology (adverb! gerund!) It is a necessary set of rules. [[User:Merrill\|Merrill]] ([[User talk:Merrill\|talk]]) 03:16, 01 August 2018 (GMT-5)
		+	:This would imply that writers like, say, Homer or Lady Murasaki, who never studied grammar, were incompetent. This is incorrect. One can master the rules without knowing the specific vocabulary and taxonomy of linguistics. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 14:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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−	If you think about it, Scooby-Doo does the exact same thing for kids, but with the Scientific Method. While viewers may not be capable of running a rigorous experiment, they'll be really familiar with gathering evidence to reveal new knowledge. 23:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)	+	If you think about it, Scooby-Doo does the exact same thing for kids, but with the Scientific Method. While viewers may not be capable of running a rigorous experiment, they'll be really familiar with gathering evidence to reveal new knowledge. [[User:CharlesT\|CharlesT]] 23:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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		+	If you think about it, Scooby-Doo does the exact same thing for kids, but with the Scientific Method. While viewers may not be capable of running a rigorous experiment, they'll be really familiar with gathering evidence to reveal new knowledge. 23:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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	Scoring higher on grammar and spelling tests could be related to constantly using the English language - however I think an opportunity was missed with this one: the correlation between kids who have access to texting devices and kids who have access to good schooling and tutoring. {{unsigned\|Slippyshoe}}		Scoring higher on grammar and spelling tests could be related to constantly using the English language - however I think an opportunity was missed with this one: the correlation between kids who have access to texting devices and kids who have access to good schooling and tutoring. {{unsigned\|Slippyshoe}}

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	Except people who play catch ''aim'' at things. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.215\|173.245.52.215]] 02:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		Except people who play catch ''aim'' at things. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.215\|173.245.52.215]] 02:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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		+	It may be true that grammar is essentially the language we use to talk about language. Nonetheless, you still need to master this sub-language. Lack of understanding of grammar impedes basic understanding - who is the actor in this sentence? What is the action? Who did what to who? What is this idea you are trying to communicate? I don't care about split infinitives or poorly placed commas. Rather, it's the old "eats shoots and leaves" jokes that remain salient. If you haven't mastered basic grammar when, for example, [https://writemyessay.pro writing an essay], nobody knows what you're talking about on a fundamental level. So, it's not merely terminology (adverb! gerund!) It is a necessary set of rules. [[User:Merrill\|Merrill]] ([[User talk:Merrill\|talk]]) 03:16, 01 August 2018 (GMT-5)

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 Is anyone familiar with a recent report that might have lead to this comic? There is no specific reference given in the comic. I think most of the reports on this topic were from Beverly Plester of Coventry University between 2006 and 2011. I can't find much of anything since then... --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.169|108.162.216.169]] 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
-:[http://www.editlib.org/p/131080/ Analysis of Research on the Effects of Texting and Tweeting on Literacy — 2014] should be a good starting point but it's behind a paywall.  [http://www.elixirpublishers.com/articles/1360068938_55%20(2013)%2012884-12890.pdf The Impact of Texting/SMS Language on Academic Writing of Students-What do we need to panic about? — Pakistan, 2013] and [research.uic.edu.ph/ojs/index.php/arete/article/download/105/30 The Relationship of SMS to the Writing Proficiency of the First Year Education Students of the University of the Immaculate Conception — Philipines, 2013] are both recent studies generally concluding punctuation use is bad but SMS is not to blame; I'd say both have too little data to support any wide conclusion. [[User:Cben|Cben]] ([[User talk:Cben|talk]]) 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
+:[http://www.editlib.org/p/131080/ Analysis of Research on the Effects of Texting and Tweeting on Literacy — 2014] should be a good starting point but it's behind a paywall.  [http://www.elixirpublishers.com/articles/1360068938_55%20(2013)%2012884-12890.pdf The Impact of Texting/SMS Language on Academic Writing of Students-What do we need to panic about? — Pakistan, 2013] and [http://research.uic.edu.ph/ojs/index.php/arete/article/download/105/30 The Relationship of SMS to the Writing Proficiency of the First Year Education Students of the University of the Immaculate Conception — Philipines, 2013] are both recent studies generally concluding punctuation use is bad but SMS is not to blame; I'd say both have too little data to support any wide conclusion. [[User:Cben|Cben]] ([[User talk:Cben|talk]]) 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 With the growing influence of voice recognition interfaces, will some folks someday be decrying the shift to abbreviated forms of speech, and the lack of attention to teaching writing or using GUI interfaces?  And, as Tim O'Reilly notes, will others celebrate the return to something like the "command line" of old, highly suitable to extensibility and programming via macros, creation of new nouns and verbs, etc?  See [http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/12/why_textual_user_interfaces_ar.html Programmer Musings: Why Textual User Interfaces are Better than Graphic User Interfaces] and [http://slashdot.org/story/206085?nobeta=1 At Home with Tim O'Reilly (Videos 1 and 2 of 6) - Slashdot] (click below the videos to see the transcript, and note that it doesn't work in their beta interface).  [[User:Nealmcb|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb|talk]]) 15:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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	Is anyone familiar with a recent report that might have lead to this comic? There is no specific reference given in the comic. I think most of the reports on this topic were from Beverly Plester of Coventry University between 2006 and 2011. I can't find much of anything since then... --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.169\|108.162.216.169]] 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)		Is anyone familiar with a recent report that might have lead to this comic? There is no specific reference given in the comic. I think most of the reports on this topic were from Beverly Plester of Coventry University between 2006 and 2011. I can't find much of anything since then... --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.169\|108.162.216.169]] 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

		+	:[http://www.editlib.org/p/131080/ Analysis of Research on the Effects of Texting and Tweeting on Literacy — 2014] should be a good starting point but it's behind a paywall. [http://www.elixirpublishers.com/articles/1360068938_55%20(2013)%2012884-12890.pdf The Impact of Texting/SMS Language on Academic Writing of Students-What do we need to panic about? — Pakistan, 2013] and [research.uic.edu.ph/ojs/index.php/arete/article/download/105/30 The Relationship of SMS to the Writing Proficiency of the First Year Education Students of the University of the Immaculate Conception — Philipines, 2013] are both recent studies generally concluding punctuation use is bad but SMS is not to blame; I'd say both have too little data to support any wide conclusion. [[User:Cben\|Cben]] ([[User talk:Cben\|talk]]) 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

	With the growing influence of voice recognition interfaces, will some folks someday be decrying the shift to abbreviated forms of speech, and the lack of attention to teaching writing or using GUI interfaces? And, as Tim O'Reilly notes, will others celebrate the return to something like the "command line" of old, highly suitable to extensibility and programming via macros, creation of new nouns and verbs, etc? See [http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/12/why_textual_user_interfaces_ar.html Programmer Musings: Why Textual User Interfaces are Better than Graphic User Interfaces] and [http://slashdot.org/story/206085?nobeta=1 At Home with Tim O'Reilly (Videos 1 and 2 of 6) - Slashdot] (click below the videos to see the transcript, and note that it doesn't work in their beta interface). [[User:Nealmcb\|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb\|talk]]) 15:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)		With the growing influence of voice recognition interfaces, will some folks someday be decrying the shift to abbreviated forms of speech, and the lack of attention to teaching writing or using GUI interfaces? And, as Tim O'Reilly notes, will others celebrate the return to something like the "command line" of old, highly suitable to extensibility and programming via macros, creation of new nouns and verbs, etc? See [http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/12/why_textual_user_interfaces_ar.html Programmer Musings: Why Textual User Interfaces are Better than Graphic User Interfaces] and [http://slashdot.org/story/206085?nobeta=1 At Home with Tim O'Reilly (Videos 1 and 2 of 6) - Slashdot] (click below the videos to see the transcript, and note that it doesn't work in their beta interface). [[User:Nealmcb\|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb\|talk]]) 15:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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	::I cannot agree with you because I think you should have used "an", "any" or the plural “arguments" in "You never saw online argument ...". Also, you made me search for the right use of "grammatic" versus "grammatical". ;) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.92.223\|141.101.92.223]] 14:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)		::I cannot agree with you because I think you should have used "an", "any" or the plural “arguments" in "You never saw online argument ...". Also, you made me search for the right use of "grammatic" versus "grammatical". ;) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.92.223\|141.101.92.223]] 14:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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		+	::: It's obvious to me that you degenerates were both part of the inspiration for Godwin's Law [[User:Brettpeirce\|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce\|talk]]) 11:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

	Ironically, "Ulysses" from James Joyce is also considered one of the worst and most boring books in human history, topping many lists of books you can't get past the first page. Many people joke that Marilyn Monroe was one of the few persons that ever read the book right by starting from the end. -- [[Special:Contributions/141.101.70.139\|141.101.70.139]] 13:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)		Ironically, "Ulysses" from James Joyce is also considered one of the worst and most boring books in human history, topping many lists of books you can't get past the first page. Many people joke that Marilyn Monroe was one of the few persons that ever read the book right by starting from the end. -- [[Special:Contributions/141.101.70.139\|141.101.70.139]] 13:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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	A nice thing about texting is that you learn pretty quickly about the ambiguities that make punctuation and grammar necessary in the first place. ("I saw a man eating shark today." "At SeaWorld?" "No, at a restaurant.") [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 23:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)		A nice thing about texting is that you learn pretty quickly about the ambiguities that make punctuation and grammar necessary in the first place. ("I saw a man eating shark today." "At SeaWorld?" "No, at a restaurant.") [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 23:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Except people who play catch ''aim'' at things. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.215\|173.245.52.215]] 02:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)