Talk:1462: Blind Trials - Revision history

RenniePet at 03:18, 20 December 2014

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Nialpxe at 16:27, 19 December 2014

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108.162.216.53 at 16:05, 19 December 2014

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108.162.216.53 at 16:03, 19 December 2014

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Brettpeirce at 14:43, 19 December 2014

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Brettpeirce at 14:42, 19 December 2014

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141.101.98.245 at 12:55, 19 December 2014

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Pudder at 12:48, 19 December 2014

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17jiangz1: Signed

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Signed

Hkmaly at 12:44, 19 December 2014

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	So, does a {{w\|Randomized controlled trial#Blinding\|triple blind trial}} mean a threesome? [[User:Nialpxe\|Nialpxe]] ([[User talk:Nialpxe\|talk]]) 16:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		So, does a {{w\|Randomized controlled trial#Blinding\|triple blind trial}} mean a threesome? [[User:Nialpxe\|Nialpxe]] ([[User talk:Nialpxe\|talk]]) 16:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Just my luck - I'm in the second group! --[[User:RenniePet\|RenniePet]] ([[User talk:RenniePet\|talk]]) 03:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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	When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	So, does a {{w\|Randomized controlled trial#Blinding\|triple blind trial}} mean a threesome? [[User:Nialpxe\|Nialpxe]] ([[User talk:Nialpxe\|talk]]) 16:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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	When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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−	It seems that as of 10:30 am EST the comic was changed to one about horses -- please confirm. I see horses compared to space payloads. The double blind comic is no longer accessible. Bobbert16:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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	When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	It seems that as of 10:30 am EST the comic was changed to one about horses -- please confirm. I see horses compared to space payloads. The double blind comic is no longer accessible. Bobbert16:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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 :I was thinking maybe hypnotherapy... --[[User:Pudder|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder|talk]]) 12:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
-:: the only legitimate thing I could think of is to get the control group to use various forms of cardiovascular exercise to get a few measurable statistics (like heart rate, perspiration, respiration, blood pressure, etc) to be roughly equivalent to those experienced by the experimental group, then the experiment would be to show MOSTLY whatever else sex does (hormones, psychological stimulation, etc), if cancer susceptibility was shown to be lower in the experimental group, it MIGHT have some validity... it would be a fairly complex thing set of requirements and especially hard to control for things like sexual preference, but I could imagine a well designed study being able to show a few things -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 14:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
+:: the only legitimate thing I could think of is to get the control group to use various forms of cardiovascular exercise to get a few measurable statistics (like heart rate, perspiration, respiration, blood pressure, etc) to be roughly equivalent to those experienced by the experimental group, then the experiment would be to show MOSTLY whatever else sex does (hormones, psychological stimulation, etc), if cancer susceptibility was shown to be lower in the experimental group, it MIGHT have some validity... it would be a fairly complex set of requirements to design and especially hard to control for things like sexual preference(s), but I could imagine a well-designed study being able to show a few things -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 14:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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	:I was thinking maybe hypnotherapy... --[[User:Pudder\|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder\|talk]]) 12:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		:I was thinking maybe hypnotherapy... --[[User:Pudder\|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder\|talk]]) 12:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
		+	:: the only legitimate thing I could think of is to get the control group to use various forms of cardiovascular exercise to get a few measurable statistics (like heart rate, perspiration, respiration, blood pressure, etc) to be roughly equivalent to those experienced by the experimental group, then the experiment would be to show MOSTLY whatever else sex does (hormones, psychological stimulation, etc), if cancer susceptibility was shown to be lower in the experimental group, it MIGHT have some validity... it would be a fairly complex thing set of requirements and especially hard to control for things like sexual preference, but I could imagine a well designed study being able to show a few things -- [[User:Brettpeirce\|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce\|talk]]) 14:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

	When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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	:I was thinking maybe hypnotherapy... --[[User:Pudder\|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder\|talk]]) 12:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		:I was thinking maybe hypnotherapy... --[[User:Pudder\|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder\|talk]]) 12:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	When I was diagnosed with accute hypochondria and then suffered a number of psychosomatic injuries, those sugar pills actually saved my life! <!-- Joke! --> [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.245\|141.101.98.245]] 12:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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 I think I finished the transcript [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.219|108.162.250.219]] 09:21, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 :I think the item Megan is pointing at should not be referred to as "chart", but as "charts", since a chart is "a sheet of information in the form of a table, graph, or diagram", while there is clearly both a table and a diagram, therefore two "charts".[[User:17jiangz1|17jiangz1]] ([[User talk:17jiangz1|talk]]) 12:45, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 I wonder though, if it makes sense to account for Placebo Effect when you're mesuring something that does not involve subjective perception. In the example case, one can measure, say, heart rate for the group that practices sex and the monastic control group and have valid results. Of course, you lose the option of passing a survey with questions like "Have you lately felt tired?" or the like. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.49.106|173.245.49.106]] 09:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 : Of course it does make sense, placebo effect can be observed on test for disease such as cancer. The idea is that thinking you are taking a cure might, will trigger physiological change. It is quitte likely, that the testing of pills for the heart would induce some placebo effect. What you might be refering too is some kind of perseptive bias, which could be observed in psychological test. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.100|108.162.229.100]] 11:51, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 Hmmmm ... maybe you could make the control group think they have sex with hallucinogens ... but somehow I don't think it would make useful control group, not speaking about most hallucinogens being illegal. Alternatively, you can get both groups drunk and - ... ok, this doesn't sound like good idea either. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 12:44, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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	I wonder though, if it makes sense to account for Placebo Effect when you're mesuring something that does not involve subjective perception. In the example case, one can measure, say, heart rate for the group that practices sex and the monastic control group and have valid results. Of course, you lose the option of passing a survey with questions like "Have you lately felt tired?" or the like. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.49.106\|173.245.49.106]] 09:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		I wonder though, if it makes sense to account for Placebo Effect when you're mesuring something that does not involve subjective perception. In the example case, one can measure, say, heart rate for the group that practices sex and the monastic control group and have valid results. Of course, you lose the option of passing a survey with questions like "Have you lately felt tired?" or the like. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.49.106\|173.245.49.106]] 09:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
	: Of course it does make sense, placebo effect can be observed on test for disease such as cancer. The idea is that thinking you are taking a cure might, will trigger physiological change. It is quitte likely, that the testing of pills for the heart would induce some placebo effect. What you might be refering too is some kind of perseptive bias, which could be observed in psychological test. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.100\|108.162.229.100]] 11:51, 19 December 2014 (UTC)		: Of course it does make sense, placebo effect can be observed on test for disease such as cancer. The idea is that thinking you are taking a cure might, will trigger physiological change. It is quitte likely, that the testing of pills for the heart would induce some placebo effect. What you might be refering too is some kind of perseptive bias, which could be observed in psychological test. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.100\|108.162.229.100]] 11:51, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Hmmmm ... maybe you could make the control group think they have sex with hallucinogens ... but somehow I don't think it would make useful control group, not speaking about most hallucinogens being illegal. Alternatively, you can get both groups drunk and - ... ok, this doesn't sound like good idea either. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 12:44, 19 December 2014 (UTC)