Talk:1463: Altitude - Revision history

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108.162.216.90 at 09:10, 27 December 2014

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108.162.212.185: 2/9ths is a strange and inaccurate fraction for [O2]

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2/9ths is a strange and inaccurate fraction for [O2]

Pudder at 08:59, 24 December 2014

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RenniePet at 04:16, 24 December 2014

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Nyq: Added comments

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141.101.104.184 at 19:28, 23 December 2014

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 ::It looks to me like there are two. They just reply to each other more than once. But it is probably not possible to tell from the comic. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-A {{w|Laser_guide_star}} is a device for focussing telescopes.  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM Cats go crazy chasing lasers].  I can only imagine what havoc a star cat might wreck chasing a laser guide star. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.40|108.162.216.40]] 21:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
+A {{w|Laser guide star}} is a device for focussing telescopes.  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM Cats go crazy chasing lasers].  I can only imagine what havoc a star cat might wreck chasing a laser guide star. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.40|108.162.216.40]] 21:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
-: The source of the laser is only moving at 1000 miles an hour, but it's going in a huge circle.  That's a lot of leverage for our particular lighthouse. {{unsigned|Seebert}}
+: The source of the laser is only moving at 1000 miles an hour, but it's going in a huge circle.  That's a lot of leverage for our particular lighthouse. {{unsigned|Seebert|22:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)}}
 : You mean "wreak"? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.214|108.162.250.214]] 05:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 :: Of course (s)he did - but this is the interwebs, wear you don't ''half'' to used corect grammer or spelink, even Nguyen it getz in teh weigh oven der schtanding -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 15:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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 True story: Stephan James O'Meara's eyeballs are close to where it'd become statistically unlikely for there to be humans with a more perfectly shaped eyeball. He probably sees that 3 of the sky's planets are bigger than a point without an instrument. So from natural ability, being born after '55, and a bit from practice, SJO had about the best night vision of anyone alive in 1985. The guy wanted to be the first human to see Halley's Comet come back. So he traveled from Boston to a 14,000 foot volcano in the middle of the Pacific and brought a telescope so wide that Yao Ming could barely hug it. And bottled oxygen. Even people who can grow enough blood cells and heart-lung athleticism to acclimate completely still have trouble seeing in the dark. Besides some of the best observing conditions on the planet, it was also only 7.5 degrees from the latitude where Halley's Comet passed overhead so there was very little extra air to look through. Also, you have to use peripheral vision. But not too far to the side. And not the ear side, that's the blind spot. And tap the telescope and look for motion. That's the technique. It must've been freezing (it was midwinter and convection of even a human under the opening affects the view) but here is a guy staring through a telescope Yao Ming could barely get his arms around with an oxygen mask to his face. [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.87|199.27.128.87]] 00:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-: <font color=#dd4b39 size=2>Did you mean: </font>[http://google.com/search?q=Stephen+James+O'Meara&spell=1 <b><i>Stephen</i></b> James O'Meara] -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Google]]
+: <font color=#dd4b39 size=2>Did you mean: </font>[http://google.com/search?q=Stephen+James+O'Meara&spell=1 <b><i>Stephen</i></b> James O'Meara] -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Google]] 17:18, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 Am I the only one who's bothered by this? It was funny right up until the "let's make out" comment at the end. Astronomy has a pretty serious [http://womeninastronomy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/fed-up-with-sexual-harassment-defining.html sexual harassment problem], and as a woman working in astronomy I'd rather that wasn't made light of. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.221|108.162.250.221]] 03:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-: Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. (Can't sign post as I have no account. Sorry.) {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.90}}
+: Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. (Can't sign post as I have no account. Sorry.) {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.90|09:10, 27 December 2014}}
 : I don't think Randall would consciously make light of such an issue.  Sadly, it does make a kind of sense that it would be an astronomical problem, so to speak.  [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 04:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 : That's assuming one or more of the astronomers is female. They could all be male. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.61|108.162.216.61]] 06:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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 Oxygen concentration is constant regardless of altitude? So there is the same quantity of oxygen per cubic meter of atmosphere at sea level as at the edge of the atmosphere? And halfway to the moon? That doesn't sound right... [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.169|108.162.221.169]] 04:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-: No. The number of oxygen molecules per volume of air (= concentration) is not constant, but number of oxygen molecules per total number molecules of air (= mole fraction) is practically constant at 21%. As the total air pressure decreases with altitude (i.e. fewer total number of molecules per volume of air), the absolute number of O2 molecules per volume (= concentration) decreases. -- Simon {{unsigned ip|173.245.53.215}}
+: No. The number of oxygen molecules per volume of air (= concentration) is not constant, but number of oxygen molecules per total number molecules of air (= mole fraction) is practically constant at 21%. As the total air pressure decreases with altitude (i.e. fewer total number of molecules per volume of air), the absolute number of O2 molecules per volume (= concentration) decreases. -- Simon {{unsigned ip|173.245.53.215|11:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)}}
 :: I'm not sure if it's just way to explain more complex phenomena or if it really works that way in lungs, but I heard/read it's the partial pressure of oxygen which determines how you feel when breathing. Meaning, you will feel same effect in air with same partial pressure of oxygen no matter what the total air pressure will be. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 13:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 ::: That makes sense, but it doesn't matter whether we talk about partial pressures or concentrations: the partial pressure is proportional to the concentration; it's the total pressure times the mole fraction. -- Simon [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.184|141.101.104.184]] 19:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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 ::It looks to me like there are two. They just reply to each other more than once. But it is probably not possible to tell from the comic. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star laser guide star] is a device for focussing telescopes.  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM Cats go crazy chasing lasers].  I can only imagine what havoc a star cat might wreck chasing a laser guide star. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.40|108.162.216.40]] 21:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
+A {{w|Laser_guide_star}} is a device for focussing telescopes.  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM Cats go crazy chasing lasers].  I can only imagine what havoc a star cat might wreck chasing a laser guide star. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.40|108.162.216.40]] 21:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 : The source of the laser is only moving at 1000 miles an hour, but it's going in a huge circle.  That's a lot of leverage for our particular lighthouse. {{unsigned|Seebert}}
 : You mean "wreak"? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.214|108.162.250.214]] 05:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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 What makes this even funnier/more silly (in my opinion)&nbsp;-- these days, with the use of digital cameras/detecting equipment and internet connections, astronomers usually don't even ''need'' to go up to these telescopes any more.  They can stay at a more breathable altitude and get their data remotely.  --[[User:Aaron of Mpls|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls|talk]]) 06:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-: Sure, tell it to [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-61 STS-61], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-82 STS-82], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-103 STS-103], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-109 STS-109] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-125 STS-125]! :) [[User:Nyq|Nyq]] ([[User talk:Nyq|talk]]) 20:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
+: Sure, tell it to {{w|STS-61}}, {{w|STS-82}}, {{w|STS-103}}, {{w|STS-109}} and {{w|STS-125}}! :) [[User:Nyq|Nyq]] ([[User talk:Nyq|talk]]) 20:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 "''The proportion of oxygen at high elevations is still approximately 2/9ths of the atmosphere, the same as at sea level.''"  2/9ths is a strange fraction, and at 22.22% it is farther from the 20.95% that is the fraction of O<sub>2</sub> in dry air than 1/5th = 20%.  Just say 1/5th, 20%, or 21%.  Don't introduce a more precise but less accurate fraction-- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.185|108.162.212.185]] 13:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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 ::: That makes sense, but it doesn't matter whether we talk about partial pressures or concentrations: the partial pressure is proportional to the concentration; it's the total pressure times the mole fraction. -- Simon [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.184|141.101.104.184]] 19:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 :::: Agreed, the term "partial pressure" is just a magic word for lay person and does not explain anything, only confuses general public. Simon's explanation using the decreasing number of oxygen molecules is much more "explanatory". [[User:Nyq|Nyq]] ([[User talk:Nyq|talk]]) 20:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 What makes this even funnier/more silly (in my opinion)&nbsp;-- these days, with the use of digital cameras/detecting equipment and internet connections, astronomers usually don't even ''need'' to go up to these telescopes any more.  They can stay at a more breathable altitude and get their data remotely.  --[[User:Aaron of Mpls|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls|talk]]) 06:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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 : <font color=#dd4b39 size=2>Did you mean: </font>[http://google.com/search?q=Stephen+James+O'Meara&spell=1 <b><i>Stephen</i></b> James O'Meara] -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Google]]
 Am I the only one who's bothered by this? It was funny right up until the "let's make out" comment at the end. Astronomy has a pretty serious [http://womeninastronomy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/fed-up-with-sexual-harassment-defining.html sexual harassment problem], and as a woman working in astronomy I'd rather that wasn't made light of. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.221|108.162.250.221]] 03:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
-: Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. (Can't sign post as I have no account. Sorry.)
+: Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. (Can't sign post as I have no account. Sorry.) {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.90}}
 : I don't think Randall would consciously make light of such an issue.  Sadly, it does make a kind of sense that it would be an astronomical problem, so to speak.  [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 04:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 : That's assuming one or more of the astronomers is female. They could all be male. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.61|108.162.216.61]] 06:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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 : <font color=#dd4b39 size=2>Did you mean: </font>[http://google.com/search?q=Stephen+James+O'Meara&spell=1 <b><i>Stephen</i></b> James O'Meara] -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Google]]
 Am I the only one who's bothered by this? It was funny right up until the "let's make out" comment at the end. Astronomy has a pretty serious [http://womeninastronomy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/fed-up-with-sexual-harassment-defining.html sexual harassment problem], and as a woman working in astronomy I'd rather that wasn't made light of. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.221|108.162.250.221]] 03:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 : I don't think Randall would consciously make light of such an issue.  Sadly, it does make a kind of sense that it would be an astronomical problem, so to speak.  [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 04:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 : That's assuming one or more of the astronomers is female. They could all be male. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.61|108.162.216.61]] 06:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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	What makes this even funnier/more silly (in my opinion) -- these days, with the use of digital cameras/detecting equipment and internet connections, astronomers usually don't even ''need'' to go up to these telescopes any more. They can stay at a more breathable altitude and get their data remotely. --[[User:Aaron of Mpls\|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls\|talk]]) 06:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)		What makes this even funnier/more silly (in my opinion) -- these days, with the use of digital cameras/detecting equipment and internet connections, astronomers usually don't even ''need'' to go up to these telescopes any more. They can stay at a more breathable altitude and get their data remotely. --[[User:Aaron of Mpls\|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls\|talk]]) 06:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
	: Sure, tell it to [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-61 STS-61], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-82 STS-82], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-103 STS-103], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-109 STS-109] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-125 STS-125]! :) [[User:Nyq\|Nyq]] ([[User talk:Nyq\|talk]]) 20:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)		: Sure, tell it to [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-61 STS-61], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-82 STS-82], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-103 STS-103], [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-109 STS-109] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/STS-125 STS-125]! :) [[User:Nyq\|Nyq]] ([[User talk:Nyq\|talk]]) 20:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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		+	"''The proportion of oxygen at high elevations is still approximately 2/9ths of the atmosphere, the same as at sea level.''" 2/9ths is a strange fraction, and at 22.22% it is farther from the 20.95% that is the fraction of O<sub>2</sub> in dry air than 1/5th = 20%. Just say 1/5th, 20%, or 21%. Don't introduce a more precise but less accurate fraction-- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.185\|108.162.212.185]] 13:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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 ::They could all be female. Would that make it ok? -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 13:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 :::As a man, that would make it acceptable -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 15:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 :Thanks for the reference.  We don't know enough about the situation depicted to know if harassment is involved, but evidently the issue is real enough that it affects how funny the comic is to some people, which makes it a relevant topic.  And it's easy to see, especially in the context of oxygen impairment, that it could indeed be problematic, so I added a few sentences on that.  [[User:Nealmcb|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb|talk]]) 16:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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 : "Ok, Is everyone on vacation today?" Randall was ... --[[User:RenniePet|RenniePet]] ([[User talk:RenniePet|talk]]) 20:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 :: If you've paid him for something then I won't complain too much about your complaint - if you haven't at least bought one of his books, then what does he owe you? I am always a little disappointed when he fails to update right on time (or for an entire week in the case of the What If? site), but seriously? I bought a $15 book? what's that worth to him? maybe several minutes of his time? He's given me so much more than that over the years - the least I can do is give him a week or two off from my demands for trivia and wit now and then. My apologies if I somehow mistook your comment as a complaint... -- [[User:Brettpeirce|Brettpeirce]] ([[User talk:Brettpeirce|talk]]) 15:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 Transcript right now assumes two Astronomers.  It looks to me like three. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.142|173.245.52.142]] 21:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)