Talk:1471: Gut Fauna - Revision history

172.68.35.118: Add note about two wolves

2025-03-03T20:16:40Z

Add note about two wolves

42.book.addict at 23:04, 9 January 2025

2025-01-09T23:04:35Z

172.71.242.28: ...last summary meant to say "...is the same...", I think. Token edit. blushes

2024-03-21T17:09:54Z

...last summary meant to say "...*is* the same...", I think. Token edit. *blushes*

172.70.90.71: I clearly made an off-by-1000 error! Must have forgotten that g/cm³ isn't the same as kg/l and just shifted one of the bits by three zeros...

2024-03-21T17:07:59Z

I clearly made an off-by-1000 error! Must have forgotten that g/cm³ isn't the same as kg/l and just shifted one of the bits by three zeros...

172.69.194.60 at 16:40, 21 March 2024

2024-03-21T16:40:40Z

Apollo11 at 15:35, 21 March 2024

2024-03-21T15:35:15Z

172.71.210.206: + comment

2023-01-24T16:35:28Z

+ comment

162.158.38.154 at 22:11, 10 March 2019

2019-03-10T22:11:23Z

162.158.38.154 at 22:10, 10 March 2019

2019-03-10T22:10:33Z

Elvenivle at 06:17, 18 January 2016

2016-01-18T06:17:14Z

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	:Might be marginally more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' chuck 'em in a corner, then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the jumble of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever		:Might be marginally more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' chuck 'em in a corner, then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the jumble of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever
	:Yes, I would say (if I haven't messed it up any more badly than I initially did) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60\|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)		:Yes, I would say (if I haven't messed it up any more badly than I initially did) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60\|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	I was just thinking about this and the connection to the classic [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Wolves two wolves] parable. A person might feel unbalanced if they only had one wolf inside them, or none at all…
		+	--[[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.118\|172.68.35.118]] 20:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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 “However, either way would prove both physically impossible and potentially lethal.” ... Potentially lethal? You mean, there is actually a chance to survive swallowing a wolf? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.94|108.162.215.94]] 22:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
-According to the research of the Grimm Brothers, Randall has it all wrong. Wolves do not live in the stomach of people, people live in the stomachs of Wolves. For example, a big bad wolf might told to take two humans and call the doctor in the morning. ((Dan Loeb - 9:24pm ET, 11 January 2015))
+According to the research of the Grimm Brothers, Randall has it all wrong. Wolves do not live in the stomach of people, people live in the stomachs of Wolves. For example, a big bad wolf might told to take two humans and call the doctor in the morning. ((Dan Loeb - 9:24pm ET, 11 January 2015)) {{unsigned ip|172.245.54.200|02:29, 12 January 2015 (UTC)}}
-how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015))
+how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015)) {{unsigned ip|141.101.93.211|11:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)}}
 "normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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 :But not sure about the church number's reality. How about assuming 2.38 billion Christians (another claimed figure, but seems not actually unreasonable and is slightly under other estimates), they ''each'' might get 44 millilitres of boxed-banana and take the box (roughly an inch cubed) in with them. Easy enough.
 :Might be marginally more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason  for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' chuck 'em in a corner, then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the jumble of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever
-:Yes, I would say (E&OE) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
+:Yes, I would say (if I haven't messed it up any more badly than I initially did) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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 The wolf would obvously have to be declawed and possibley detoothed to avoid shredding the persons throat and stomach.(I love how serous this disscusion about this imaginary sinario thats purpously ridiculous, I love it. This is the kind of things people should be arguing about - like if the worlds bannanas can fit in the worlds churches - :) ) [[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
-:Hmmm... A year's-worth of bananas? 105 million tonnes, apparently. Cavendish are 1.19 g/cm3 (call it 1, for trivial conversion or allowing imperfect packing), so 105 (short) billion litres of space needed. Some random person off the internet says 38 ''million'' churches (really, well, I'll take it for now), so that'd be about 2750 litres of bananas averaged out so... can you fit a cube 1.4m per side in each church? Probably all but the ''really'' small (and there's cathedrals/almost-cathedrals that can take up plenty of slack).
+:Hmmm... A year's-worth of bananas? 105 million tonnes, apparently. Cavendish are 1.19 g/cm3 (call it 1, for trivial conversion or allowing imperfect packing), so 105 million litres of space needed. Some random person off the internet says 38 ''million'' churches (really, well, I'll take it for now), so that'd be about 2.75 litres of bananas averaged out so... can you fit a cube 14cm per side in each church? Easily!.
-:But not sure about the church number's reality. How about assuming 2.38 billion Christians (another claimed figure, but seems not actually unreasonable and is slightly under other estimates), they ''each'' might get 44 litres of boxed-banana and take the box (slightly more than a foot-cubed, in fact 1.5ft³, not too awkward, but might be a good idea to shove it around on a rollerskate, rather than carry the full 44ish-kg in any manner) to wherever they normally worship. Probably doable, without even interupting the services overly.
+:But not sure about the church number's reality. How about assuming 2.38 billion Christians (another claimed figure, but seems not actually unreasonable and is slightly under other estimates), they ''each'' might get 44 millilitres of boxed-banana and take the box (roughly an inch cubed) in with them. Easy enough.
-:Might be more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason  for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' and stack them up (might need a forklift, but should be room for that, too), then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the pile of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever
+:Might be marginally more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason  for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' chuck 'em in a corner, then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the jumble of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever
 :Yes, I would say (E&OE) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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	The wolf would obvously have to be declawed and possibley detoothed to avoid shredding the persons throat and stomach.(I love how serous this disscusion about this imaginary sinario thats purpously ridiculous, I love it. This is the kind of things people should be arguing about - like if the worlds bannanas can fit in the worlds churches - :) ) [[User:Apollo11\|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11\|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)		The wolf would obvously have to be declawed and possibley detoothed to avoid shredding the persons throat and stomach.(I love how serous this disscusion about this imaginary sinario thats purpously ridiculous, I love it. This is the kind of things people should be arguing about - like if the worlds bannanas can fit in the worlds churches - :) ) [[User:Apollo11\|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11\|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Hmmm... A year's-worth of bananas? 105 million tonnes, apparently. Cavendish are 1.19 g/cm3 (call it 1, for trivial conversion or allowing imperfect packing), so 105 (short) billion litres of space needed. Some random person off the internet says 38 ''million'' churches (really, well, I'll take it for now), so that'd be about 2750 litres of bananas averaged out so... can you fit a cube 1.4m per side in each church? Probably all but the ''really'' small (and there's cathedrals/almost-cathedrals that can take up plenty of slack).
		+	:But not sure about the church number's reality. How about assuming 2.38 billion Christians (another claimed figure, but seems not actually unreasonable and is slightly under other estimates), they ''each'' might get 44 litres of boxed-banana and take the box (slightly more than a foot-cubed, in fact 1.5ft³, not too awkward, but might be a good idea to shove it around on a rollerskate, rather than carry the full 44ish-kg in any manner) to wherever they normally worship. Probably doable, without even interupting the services overly.
		+	:Might be more difficult if 'active churchgoers' are a fraction of the presumed christians. I'm not sure if I'm counted as one (I don't think I'm down as a Jedi... or Omnian), but I really haven't been in a church for ''any'' reason for years... probably was someone's wedding. But there seems to generally be room in any church that I would recognise to have the active congregation bring along multiple (even tens of?) 'banana-boxes' and stack them up (might need a forklift, but should be room for that, too), then still do all the stuff any given congregation would do ''without'' the pile of boxed bananas sitting over between the font and the door to the vestry, or wherever
		+	:Yes, I would say (E&OE) it ''can'' be done. It ''shall'' be done! ...spread the word, someone with access to both bananas and bishops can get it organised, and I might even check out how my local church deals with it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.60\|172.69.194.60]] 16:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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	"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154\|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)		"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154\|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
	: On a similar note, "all known cases of [...] are causes of disease" isn't completely true ''if'' you take into account experimental helminthic therapy. The gist is that there are worms that don't cause significant disease, and you get them intentionally to, uh, (hand wringing) calm down the immune system. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.210.206\|172.71.210.206]] 16:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)		: On a similar note, "all known cases of [...] are causes of disease" isn't completely true ''if'' you take into account experimental helminthic therapy. The gist is that there are worms that don't cause significant disease, and you get them intentionally to, uh, (hand wringing) calm down the immune system. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.210.206\|172.71.210.206]] 16:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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		+	The wolf would obvously have to be declawed and possibley detoothed to avoid shredding the persons throat and stomach.(I love how serous this disscusion about this imaginary sinario thats purpously ridiculous, I love it. This is the kind of things people should be arguing about - like if the worlds bannanas can fit in the worlds churches - :) ) [[User:Apollo11\|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11\|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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	"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154\|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)		"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154\|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
		+	: On a similar note, "all known cases of [...] are causes of disease" isn't completely true ''if'' you take into account experimental helminthic therapy. The gist is that there are worms that don't cause significant disease, and you get them intentionally to, uh, (hand wringing) calm down the immune system. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.210.206\|172.71.210.206]] 16:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

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	how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015))		how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015))

−	"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice.	+	"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.154\|162.158.38.154]] 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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	how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015))		how about "hungry like a wolf" and a reference to him missing a good appetite ? transfer of the wolf could thus mean re-vigorating his appetite.((SK - 16:01 CET, Jan 16 January 2015))
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		+	"normal humans shouldn't have large animals living inside them with the exception of some parasites such as Helminths or Cestoda" -- was that intended to mean what it says? Normal humans shouldn't have helminths or cestoda in them either! I know people can become infected with parasites, and there are anecdotes of jockeys swallowing a tapeworm egg in order to lose weight for an important race, but I would not have thought you should be recommending the practice.

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 I'm having a really, really hard time imagining what kind of discussion Randall was involved in that led to his thought processes ending up producing the result we see here. --[[User:RenniePet|RenniePet]] ([[User talk:RenniePet|talk]]) 02:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 : Funny nickname in this context, RenniePet. (btw. Does "inwolved" make any sense here?) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.22|141.101.104.22]] 10:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
-: ...My take is that the lycan (spelled this way: a werewolf) would probably also eat deer - helping to balance forest overpopulation. If we take "gut" and "fawna" back to German/English roots, we might have "good" and "to make or be glad" another sense of fawning (perhaps alluding here to self-care, but also especially when applied to dogs). The werewolf is historically described as a shapeshifter so it seems appropriate to shift then to lichen (same pronunciation) which is a symbiotic organism (yet another thematic connection) consisting of an alga and fungus; blue-green algae is often taken to balance out the gut. A dry lichen (the etymology of this word means 'to lick', appropriate for the lycan, which is also likely to be dry) will absorb many, many times its weight in water, and lichens (which are often found in forests) are important for soil (a word sometimes used to refer to fecal matter). Though...I might be reading into this a bit. [[User:Elvenivle|Elvenivle]] ([[User talk:Elvenivle|talk]])
+: ...My take is that the lycan (spelled this way: a werewolf) would probably also eat fawns (deer) - helping to balance forest overpopulation. If we take "gut" and "fawna" back through German/English, we might have "good" and "to make or be glad" another sense of fawning (perhaps alluding here to self-care, but also especially when applied to dogs). The werewolf is historically described as a shapeshifter so it seems appropriate to shift then to lichen (same pronunciation) which is a symbiotic organism (yet another thematic connection) consisting of an alga and fungus; blue-green algae is often taken to balance out the gut. A dry lichen (the etymology of this word means 'to lick', appropriate for the canine, which is also likely to be dry) will absorb many, many times its weight in water, and lichens (which are often found in forests) are important for soil (a word sometimes used to refer to fecal matter). A final connection is in a medical condition known as "guttate" (having drops, as in a glass of water) lichen"...though I might have chased this rabbit a bit far. [[User:Elvenivle|Elvenivle]] ([[User talk:Elvenivle|talk]])
 “However, either way would prove both physically impossible and potentially lethal.” ... Potentially lethal? You mean, there is actually a chance to survive swallowing a wolf? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.94|108.162.215.94]] 22:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)