Talk:1512: Horoscopes - Revision history

GreatWyrmGold: Responded to pedantry with worse pedantry. But also better pedantry, in the sense that it's more accurate.

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Responded to pedantry with worse pedantry. But also better pedantry, in the sense that it's more accurate.

EebstertheGreat: whoops

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EebstertheGreat: /* Added section Gestation period and some comments */

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‎Added section Gestation period and some comments

Singlelinelabyrinth at 19:21, 26 July 2020

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Xkcdreader52 at 13:56, 30 November 2017

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108.162.215.7 at 22:29, 22 May 2016

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188.114.97.151: localized data

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108.162.249.134 at 04:43, 23 April 2015

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Davidy22 at 01:39, 18 April 2015

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108.162.219.102 at 19:39, 17 April 2015

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	:Agree, I would like the citation for "today", as there were experiments disproving horoscopes in ancient Rome already (involving two babies born in same time, one rich, one slave). -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 12:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		:Agree, I would like the citation for "today", as there were experiments disproving horoscopes in ancient Rome already (involving two babies born in same time, one rich, one slave). -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 12:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
		+	::Those experiments still exist today. The statement is technically accurate as long as the results of at least one study survived to the modern day. [[User:GreatWyrmGold\|GreatWyrmGold]] ([[User talk:GreatWyrmGold\|talk]]) 20:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

	The general trick to horoscopes is make them vague enough that anyone can think they're true, regardless of their sign. --[[User:PsyMar\|PsyMar]] ([[User talk:PsyMar\|talk]]) 10:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		The general trick to horoscopes is make them vague enough that anyone can think they're true, regardless of their sign. --[[User:PsyMar\|PsyMar]] ([[User talk:PsyMar\|talk]]) 10:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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−	== Gestation period	+	== Gestation period ==

	The accepted length of a pregnancy in the U.S. is 38 weeks, but this is not true everywhere. In France, for instance, the term is 41 weeks. Both of these are just traditional and not based on precise data. A good study to look to here is Jukic, Baird, Weinberg, McConnaughey, and Wilcox "Length of human pregnancy and contributors to its natural variation." This study is a very belated 2010 follow-up on a 1985 study on the rate of early pregnancy loss by Wilcox et al. They recruited women who had just ceased birth control because they intended to become pregnant. Although the study doesn't specify, they presumably had sex almost ever night, and according to the follow-up, urine samples were collected EVERY MORNING. These samples were tested for the presence of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), and if it was present above the threshold, the women were determined to be pregnant. Not much analysis was done on the question of how long after implantation it takes for hCG levels to rise above that threshold, but my tiny modicum of biological understanding suggests it should be hardly any time at all. The original study used this early-pregnancy data to measure the rate of loss of the fetus very early in pregnancy, controversially finding it to be around 30%.		The accepted length of a pregnancy in the U.S. is 38 weeks, but this is not true everywhere. In France, for instance, the term is 41 weeks. Both of these are just traditional and not based on precise data. A good study to look to here is Jukic, Baird, Weinberg, McConnaughey, and Wilcox "Length of human pregnancy and contributors to its natural variation." This study is a very belated 2010 follow-up on a 1985 study on the rate of early pregnancy loss by Wilcox et al. They recruited women who had just ceased birth control because they intended to become pregnant. Although the study doesn't specify, they presumably had sex almost ever night, and according to the follow-up, urine samples were collected EVERY MORNING. These samples were tested for the presence of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), and if it was present above the threshold, the women were determined to be pregnant. Not much analysis was done on the question of how long after implantation it takes for hCG levels to rise above that threshold, but my tiny modicum of biological understanding suggests it should be hardly any time at all. The original study used this early-pregnancy data to measure the rate of loss of the fetus very early in pregnancy, controversially finding it to be around 30%.

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 :::Fixed explanations, then realized you went for 40 weeks, not 38, so changed them to 38 weeks and fixed explanations again ;)  [[User:Nealmcb|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 ::::Even 38 weeks is idealised - I have a niece and nephew who were born 22 weeks after conception (4 years old now and doing well!)  And term isn't until 41 weeks (from last menstruation) in France.  38 weeks happens to be a useful average in many parts of the world, but even healthy term pregnancies in USA/UK/Australia(/others?) covers the range of 35-40 weeks from conception.  Also, with the rise of babies conceived by IVF, it's no longer quite so obvious what was happening 38-ish weeks before birth! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.162|108.162.249.162]] 03:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 No reference to the fact that November babies might be conceived on V day? [[User:Vkapadia|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia|talk]]) 21:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 The real secret behind horoscopes and Nostradamus, is "vague shift"[[User:YourLifeisaLie|The Goyim speaks]] ([[User talk:YourLifeisaLie|talk]]) 01:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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 Regarding about Gemini, which coincidentally I am one, doesn't apply to South-East Asian countries like Singapore(where I am born in), where the leaves doesn't change colors the whole year round. Same goes to the rest of the horoscopes as well. Boeing-787lover 13:56, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 Aries and to a lesser extent Cancer: kids went back to school, leaving house empty, or if your parents are in education (incl. college) they'd just started a new semester and met a bunch of new people. [[User:Singlelinelabyrinth|Singlelinelabyrinth]] ([[User talk:Singlelinelabyrinth|talk]]) 19:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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	Regarding about Gemini, which coincidentally I am one, doesn't apply to South-East Asian countries like Singapore(where I am born in), where the leaves doesn't change colors the whole year round. Same goes to the rest of the horoscopes as well. Boeing-787lover 13:56, 30 November 2017 (UTC)		Regarding about Gemini, which coincidentally I am one, doesn't apply to South-East Asian countries like Singapore(where I am born in), where the leaves doesn't change colors the whole year round. Same goes to the rest of the horoscopes as well. Boeing-787lover 13:56, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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		+	Aries and to a lesser extent Cancer: kids went back to school, leaving house empty, or if your parents are in education (incl. college) they'd just started a new semester and met a bunch of new people. [[User:Singlelinelabyrinth\|Singlelinelabyrinth]] ([[User talk:Singlelinelabyrinth\|talk]]) 19:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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	Aquarius could also, perhaps sadly/strangely, be prom babies. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.7\|108.162.215.7]] 22:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)		Aquarius could also, perhaps sadly/strangely, be prom babies. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.7\|108.162.215.7]] 22:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Regarding about Gemini, which coincidentally I am one, doesn't apply to South-East Asian countries like Singapore(where I am born in), where the leaves doesn't change colors the whole year round. Same goes to the rest of the horoscopes as well. Boeing-787lover 13:56, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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	I feel like there was a missed opportunity for Scorpio. Could have mentioned Valentines Day. {{unsigned ip\|108.162.219.102}}		I feel like there was a missed opportunity for Scorpio. Could have mentioned Valentines Day. {{unsigned ip\|108.162.219.102}}
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		+	Aquarius could also, perhaps sadly/strangely, be prom babies. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.7\|108.162.215.7]] 22:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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	The events described during which the conception of a person with a given birth month occurred assumes that the parents were in the United States at that time. The seasons would be shifted by six months in the southern hemisphere, and the holidays of the 4th of July (Independence Day -- Aries), Halloween (Cancer, conception in October), Thanksgiving (Leo, conception in November), Mother's Day (Aquarius, conception in May), and the NCAA (college) basketball playoffs ("March Madness" -- Sagittarius) , might either not be celebrated or celebrated on a different day. [[User:The Dining Logician\|The Dining Logician]] ([[User talk:The Dining Logician\|talk]]) 08:11, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		The events described during which the conception of a person with a given birth month occurred assumes that the parents were in the United States at that time. The seasons would be shifted by six months in the southern hemisphere, and the holidays of the 4th of July (Independence Day -- Aries), Halloween (Cancer, conception in October), Thanksgiving (Leo, conception in November), Mother's Day (Aquarius, conception in May), and the NCAA (college) basketball playoffs ("March Madness" -- Sagittarius) , might either not be celebrated or celebrated on a different day. [[User:The Dining Logician\|The Dining Logician]] ([[User talk:The Dining Logician\|talk]]) 08:11, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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		+	:Halloween is starting to become common in Brazil, including the "Trick or Treat" stuff. Mother's Day is also celebrated at the same date. And I wouldn't be surprised if Thanksgiving became common here too, if not only for the sales... [[Special:Contributions/188.114.97.151\|188.114.97.151]] 19:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

	"Today, horoscopes are admitted to be pseudoscience." Citation needed. But what rubbish. Horoscopes are not even pseudoscience, so who is it "admitting" they are? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.187\|108.162.250.187]] 08:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		"Today, horoscopes are admitted to be pseudoscience." Citation needed. But what rubbish. Horoscopes are not even pseudoscience, so who is it "admitting" they are? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.250.187\|108.162.250.187]] 08:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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 The "coriolis effect" in the title text refers to the spin direction of vortices (rotating currents such as cyclones, whirlpools, and water draining from a basin), which is counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere.  The title text is a joke extending the reversal to the flow of time.
 : The spin direction of whirlpools and basins is 'not' determined by the coriolis effect, on this scale its impact is way too small to make a difference. The title text refers to how the coriolis effect is often used to explain phenomena (especially with relation to the hemispheres), even when its wrong. --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.5|198.41.242.5]] 08:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 The events described during which the conception of a person with a given birth month occurred assumes that the parents were in the United States at that time.  The seasons would be shifted by six months in the southern hemisphere, and the holidays of the 4th of July (Independence Day -- Aries), Halloween (Cancer, conception in October), Thanksgiving (Leo, conception in November), Mother's Day (Aquarius, conception in May), and the NCAA (college) basketball playoffs ("March Madness" -- Sagittarius) , might either not be celebrated or celebrated on a different day. [[User:The Dining Logician|The Dining Logician]] ([[User talk:The Dining Logician|talk]]) 08:11, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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 So funny - especially the title text made me laugh :-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 07:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 :Nine months later, it would certainly eliminate the stress of wondering if you were gonna "get lucky" that night. - Equinox [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.120|199.27.128.120]] 16:13, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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 In the second paragraph of the explanation, can we use either "i.e." or "for example," but not both? I don't have a particular preference for one or another; anyone who does is encouraged to make the correction. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.125|173.245.50.125]] 06:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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		+	I feel like there was a missed opportunity for Scorpio. Could have mentioned Valentines Day.
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	So funny - especially the title text made me laugh :-) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		So funny - especially the title text made me laugh :-) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
	:Nine months later, it would certainly eliminate the stress of wondering if you were gonna "get lucky" that night. - Equinox [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.120\|199.27.128.120]] 16:13, 15 April 2015 (UTC)		:Nine months later, it would certainly eliminate the stress of wondering if you were gonna "get lucky" that night. - Equinox [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.120\|199.27.128.120]] 16:13, 15 April 2015 (UTC)