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Alcohol in small beer doesn't safeguard it from germs

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	I hate the taste and smell and associations (such as urine and vomit where they shouldn't be). A friend used to freely admit he didn't like the taste and only drank to get drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.161\|108.162.249.161]] 06:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)		I hate the taste and smell and associations (such as urine and vomit where they shouldn't be). A friend used to freely admit he didn't like the taste and only drank to get drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.161\|108.162.249.161]] 06:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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	Beer is an acquired taste, and few are actually bad, but 90% of what people get served as "coffee" outside of Italy can only be tolerated with enough milk and/or sugar. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.193.203\|172.68.193.203]] 22:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)		Beer is an acquired taste, and few are actually bad, but 90% of what people get served as "coffee" outside of Italy can only be tolerated with enough milk and/or sugar. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.193.203\|172.68.193.203]] 22:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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	I hate the taste and smell and associations (such as urine and vomit where they shouldn't be). A friend used to freely admit he didn't like the taste and only drank to get drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.161\|108.162.249.161]] 06:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)		I hate the taste and smell and associations (such as urine and vomit where they shouldn't be). A friend used to freely admit he didn't like the taste and only drank to get drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.161\|108.162.249.161]] 06:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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 Part of the explanation refers to acquired tastes as being a response to social pressures and to avoid cognitive dissonance.  This doesn't match the description of what the '''linked to''' wikipedia page for acquired tastes, as that page distinguishes authentic acquired tastes from those meeting the author's description.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquired_taste#Intentional_acquisition_of_tastes
+{{w|Acquired_taste#Intentional_acquisition_of_tastes}}
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 ::::In the past they drank something called small beer for the water which was at least as low alcohol as lite beer today. Google it to see if it's lighter than lite beer, I don't care enough to check. They drank the full-strength beer when they wanted to party. Children drank a lower alcohol version of small beer (well they *did* die so disproportionately from germs anyway before we even get to the water germs). Similarly, nobody drank wine for thirst, they mixed it with water. Since water hydrates and full-strength beer dehydrates maybe they put enough water that they could live without drinking gallons of weak booze per day. I don't know how Islam survived with a Prohibition like that though. I think anything that makes you slightly "buzzed" if you drink as much as humanly possible is illegal. Even now the Saudi oil monopoly's "Western-style walled-off city" is under uncodified sharia law and a wine cooler would only be legal if you watered down with 1 or 19 parts water (I don't know if they have a statutory limit but if you can manage to drink 15 US gallons of 50% diluted wine cooler within 15 hours then you would get a little "buzzed" (= 12 US oz of beer). (They do sell beer dealcoholized to under 0.05% for the Islamic market (10% of Prohibition-legal "near-beer", and 5% of a wine cooler) so people can enjoy the horrible flavor without any possibility of getting "buzzed" (about 1/10th of a beer "drunk" if you drink a US gallon an hour *without stopping for 15 hours*, the importance of not stopping cannot be overstressed. If you stop for even 6 minutes near the end you will "sober up" 100% and you'll have to do this a whole nother 15 hours again) [[Special:Contributions/108.162.238.155|108.162.238.155]] 19:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
-:::::About the "buzzed" rule, the emirs tried to ban coffee, but every one loved it so much they eventually realized they weren't going to squash the habit and decided, hey, at least it's a stimulant, those who drink it can a lot more of God's work done than they could without. {{unsigned ip|173.245.54.23}}
+:::::About the "buzzed" rule, the emirs tried to ban coffee, but every one loved it so much they eventually realized they weren't going to squash the habit and decided, hey, at least it's a stimulant, those who drink it can a lot more of God's work done than they could without. {{unsigned ip|173.245.54.23|16:30, 3 October 2015 (UTC)}}
 :::::The idea that alcohol in small beer safeguarded it from germs has been debunked (low enough alcohol content to hydrate you well is too low to kill germs well). Instead, it's much simpler: you have to BOIL water to make beer! (And I assume it won over tea, boiled water, etc by some combination of calorie content and positive associations with taste) [[Special:Contributions/172.68.138.57|172.68.138.57]] 06:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 ::::::Well (unless you subscribe to the ''Asterix In Britain'' view of history!), it was rather that tea was the thing that had to win over beer. Brewing is ancient (6th M. BC), tea only very old (3rd-1st M. BC, depending upon if you believe legends) and didn't reach Europe properly until 'fairly old' times (late 1500s, becoming popular by 1700s), though of course in time for the people of Boston to try the "very weak, barely any milk, somewhat salty" variation of impromptu cold-brewed cuppa.
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 I am disliking to indifferent to most of brands of beer, but I like a few specific ones, like Ginger's Beer, or gingerbread beer from local brewery. --[[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 11:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
-I know that beer is generally considered to be an acquired taste, but some people acquire that taste really quickly.  The first beer I ever drank was a Miller that I stole from a case that my dad had left sitting in the kitchen for months.  I was 12, and it is still probably the worst thing I've ever tasted.  I decided I didn't like beer, and from ages 12 to 17 the only alcohol I drank was wine.  At 17, I tried keg beer and was utterly indifferent to it.  By the time I turned 19 I was into good local beers, but if I've been in the heat for a long time, I'll drink watery mediocre beer and it will be divine.  And then there's shower beer...oh, shower beer!12:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned ip|108.162.225.36}}
+I know that beer is generally considered to be an acquired taste, but some people acquire that taste really quickly.  The first beer I ever drank was a Miller that I stole from a case that my dad had left sitting in the kitchen for months.  I was 12, and it is still probably the worst thing I've ever tasted.  I decided I didn't like beer, and from ages 12 to 17 the only alcohol I drank was wine.  At 17, I tried keg beer and was utterly indifferent to it.  By the time I turned 19 I was into good local beers, but if I've been in the heat for a long time, I'll drink watery mediocre beer and it will be divine.  And then there's shower beer...oh, shower beer! 12:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned ip|108.162.225.36}}
 The only thing worse than a pilsner is an IPA... which is just a stronger version of a pilsner. Most beer just has way too high of an IBU rating. At least malts aren't entirely awful and oatmeal malts are somewhat palatable. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.83|162.158.255.83]] 14:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 Culturally, for me, the common booze is 'a pint of bitter' (or 'best').  I apparently had my first sip when a toddler.  I 'sneakily' took a sip from the top of a glass sat in front of my father, before screwing my face up most amusingly, I am told.  I then went straight back in for another... it's not obvious to me if I was being influenced to 'want to like it'.  Perhaps it was just the novelty.  Anyway, I will admit I don't ''love'' the taste of bitter, but at least it's got an significant taste that all the seemingly anonymous mass-produced lagers can't match.  (OTOH, cider's quite stimulating, but I take against the overly fizzy ones.)  When it comes to non-alcoholic beverages, I will actively ''refuse'' a cup of tea (the social norm for adults, especially someone like me in their fifth decade), however socially awkward and unexpected, and politely turn down the offer of a coffee, if possible, on the basis that I might not be staying long.  (I don't like teas at all, even fruit ones, but I can stand coffee if sweetened.) But it's ''amazing'' what we tend to eat and drink, just because it's expected. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.59|141.101.99.59]] 14:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 Great comic. This is just for me. I do not like beer. Any kind. And I do rarely drink them. Same with cofee ans tee which I never drink. It is not always easy - so nice to see this comic. :) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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 It also seems that those who dislike beer have indeed not tried very much of it "I...dislike...every beer that I have tried. That includes Guiness..." provides fodder for those who would suggest, "Well, if Guiness is your idea of a beer, then you haven't nearly tried enough to know you dislike it!" However, as some have pointed out here, it is highly unfair to expect that someone who truly dislikes beer will try all of the thousands of varieties of it, presumably disliking every one, until we accept that the dislike is genuine.
-Even the comic shows that Randall rejects beer without knowing much about it. That Hairy suggests two categories of beer to be "stouts" and "lagers" is telling. Stout is a specific style of beer, while lager is a giant category that includes beers as dissimilar as light american lager and Baltic Porter. Someone who likes and is interested in beer would not ask the question Hairy does. Yet Randall's beer ignorance may stem from avoidance due to a true dislike, and it would be unfair to expect him to gain competence in everything he finds offensive before we allow him his opinion. {{unsigned ip|Drummstikk}}
+Lots to think about here! [[User:Drummstikk|Drummstikk]] ([[User talk:Drummstikk|talk]]) 19:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
-Lots to think about here! [[User:Drummstikk|Drummstikk]] ([[User talk:Drummstikk|talk]]) 19:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
+:Even the comic shows that Randall rejects beer without knowing much about it. That Hairy suggests two categories of beer to be "stouts" and "lagers" is telling. Stout is a specific style of beer, while lager is a giant category that includes beers as dissimilar as light american lager and Baltic Porter. Someone who likes and is interested in beer would not ask the question Hairy does. Yet Randall's beer ignorance may stem from avoidance due to a true dislike, and it would be unfair to expect him to gain competence in everything he finds offensive before we allow him his opinion. {{unsigned|Drummstikk|19:29, 8 June 2015 (UTC)}}
 Drinking alcoholic drinks of any description is just a stupid idea from the start. "Oh yeah, lets drink this thing that hampers our ability to think clearly and undermines several important inhibitions that stop us from hurling ourselves into traffic while puking! Clearly nothing can go wrong with this!". -Pennpenn [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.221|162.158.2.221]] 23:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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 Yes, that's the way I feel about beer; except I don't pretend and then just I don't drink beer, so they think I'm weird. I'm cool with that :P [[Special:Contributions/108.162.214.239|108.162.214.239]] 08:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 It has been a long time since a comic has created so much debate ;-) I have now changed the explanation to incorporate the two possible interpretations. Either that Cueball is right about beer or that he is just a jerk about other peoples pleasures, that he do not share. Feel free to improve. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
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 A coworker points out that the tone of this comic is the opposite of [[1480: Super Bowl]], in which Cueball advocates for people to prioritize friendship over differences in tastes. It's also worth noting that both beer drinking and interest in sports have class inflections; looking down on them can be seen as "punching up" against a majority opinion, but can also be seen as "punching down" towards the lower socioeconomic status correlated with these preferences -- so it's a bit complicated. -- [[User:Phyzome|Phyzome]] ([[User talk:Phyzome|talk]]) 03:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
-Beer does not always taste the same.  It depends on what you are eating with it or what you are doing.  I love the Negra Modelo when having enchiladas at Mariachi's.  But with Pizza?  Nope.  I cannot imagine anything finer than an IPA after coming inside from a hot day on the farm, the first bottle disappears in 10 seconds and I'm already on to the second.  But with dinner?  Well, maybe, but I'd prefer red wine. {{unsigned ip|162.158.255.97}}
+Beer does not always taste the same.  It depends on what you are eating with it or what you are doing.  I love the Negra Modelo when having enchiladas at Mariachi's.  But with Pizza?  Nope.  I cannot imagine anything finer than an IPA after coming inside from a hot day on the farm, the first bottle disappears in 10 seconds and I'm already on to the second.  But with dinner?  Well, maybe, but I'd prefer red wine. {{unsigned ip|162.158.255.97|02:23, 4 July 2015 (UTC)}}
-Salut to Cueball in this comic!! {{unsigned ip|162.158.83.216}}
+Salut to Cueball in this comic!! {{unsigned ip|162.158.83.216|06:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC)}}
 Actually kind of convenient to see that people don't like beer (despite the fact that it sells very well), since I'm a mormon and I'm always kind of curious to see what it tastes like, despite the fact that it's against our religion to drink something like that. Kind of helpful to see that it tastes bad, because it's been something that's been in my mind for a while. --[[User:JayRulesXKCD|JayRulesXKCD]] ([[User talk:JayRulesXKCD|talk]]) 13:00, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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 ::::::But both types of 'brew' probably won over "boiled water" for both taste reasons and because boiled-and-cooled water is practically indistinguishable from "raw water", where you run the risk of skipping the whole making-it-safe bit (can you be sure your host has bothered? ...can you remember which jug you prepared yourself?) and thus getting the microbes (that you don't yet even know about) in bad water. But beer, and tea, has to have gone through rather obvious processes to become so. Not perfect, but a good indicator that the water wasn't just slightly (insufficiently) warmed, to save time/fuel, or the boiled water was topped up with untreated 'fresh' water (again, to save bother in a process that wasn't really understood as to what it was doing). Tea, and later coffee, switched different stimulants for beer/wine/gin/etc and allowed "tea-total" movements to develop that eschewed alchol ''without'' the problem of securing a pure source of water, and/or desperately hoping that your drink did ''not'' taste strongly of anything.
 ::::::Or you can say that Asterix apparently did discover the Britons drinking boiled water (then, for various reasons, got them to put tealike herbs in it), early AD. But there are remarkably few reliable corroborating historical sources for that. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.155|172.69.195.155]] 14:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::You seem to be saying that "teetotaler" comes from eliminating alcohol in favor of only drinking tea - "tea-total".  It appears that it's actually "tee for emphasis", similar to how we might say "total, with a capital T". https://www.etymonline.com/word/teetotal, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/where-does-word-teetotaler-come-from-180973091/ [[Special:Contributions/172.70.111.121|172.70.111.121]] 15:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
+:::::::You seem to be saying that "teetotaler" comes from eliminating alcohol in favor of only drinking tea - "tea-total".  It appears that it's actually "tee for emphasis", similar to how we might say "total, with a capital T", referring to abstinence from alcohol. https://www.etymonline.com/word/teetotal, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/where-does-word-teetotaler-come-from-180973091/ [[Special:Contributions/172.70.111.121|172.70.111.121]] 15:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
 ::: (1) "predominantly" and "exclusively" are to different words; they are also brewing wine in England.  (2) Distilled alcohol for mass consumption is relatively new (~500 years), before that the process was known but not used for this purpose.  (3) Many Europeans drink tea these days -- culture and fashion travels.  [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] ([[User talk:Spongebog|talk]]) 00:55, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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	Randall does make a fair point about social pressure, and the comic is amusing overall, but I feel that Cueball's statement is pretty ignorant if taken literally. I find tomatoes to be absolutely disgusting, but that certainly doesn't mean that everybody who likes tomatoes is just pretending. Of course I understand that my example isn't directly analagous (I don't really feel any social pressure to eat tomatoes), but to me it's a pretty big stretch to say that ''nobody'' actually likes beer just because Cueball (or Randall, presumably) doesn't like it.		Randall does make a fair point about social pressure, and the comic is amusing overall, but I feel that Cueball's statement is pretty ignorant if taken literally. I find tomatoes to be absolutely disgusting, but that certainly doesn't mean that everybody who likes tomatoes is just pretending. Of course I understand that my example isn't directly analagous (I don't really feel any social pressure to eat tomatoes), but to me it's a pretty big stretch to say that ''nobody'' actually likes beer just because Cueball (or Randall, presumably) doesn't like it.
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	:::::Nope. Champagne is from the region of the same name in France. So it is impossible to label it champagne legally when growing it in England. {{w\|Champagne\|wikipediasource.}} --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 12:36, 3 January 2020 (UTC)		:::::Nope. Champagne is from the region of the same name in France. So it is impossible to label it champagne legally when growing it in England. {{w\|Champagne\|wikipediasource.}} --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 12:36, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:::::: "English sparkling wine"... An old joke meme, mostly, but I've heard it said that it might actually be getting rather good at 'champagne method' products. Maybe they can work something similar as with "Somerset brie", for cheese, which gets around any geographic restrictions and makes a feature of its 'new' origin. Noting that Britain used to have many, many good cheeses, until WW2 effectively closed down most of the non-hard varieties for practical supply/demand reasons, somehow making "cheddar" hypernym for much of the hard-and-uncrumbly remainder. But over the last few decades there have been more 'rediscovered' and otherwise-artisan cheeses like even the french-style soft cheeses.
		+	:::::: But that's an issue more for turophiles, like me, than oenophiles. Or whatever the term is for those that favour champagnes (or perhaps equivalent cavas, spumantis, proseccos, etc). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.46\|141.101.99.46]] 15:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

	Agreed. Major brands suck, but probably in most countries, even Germany, where people usually have very high opinion about German beer. There are thousands of small breweries, though, some with a very old tradition (like in monasteries), and many just popping up recently. At some microbreweries you have to order weeks in advance, but the brew you get is really exceptional, and you'll drink it at room temperature from wine glasses. Absolutely not meant for getting drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.107\|108.162.254.107]] 10:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)		Agreed. Major brands suck, but probably in most countries, even Germany, where people usually have very high opinion about German beer. There are thousands of small breweries, though, some with a very old tradition (like in monasteries), and many just popping up recently. At some microbreweries you have to order weeks in advance, but the brew you get is really exceptional, and you'll drink it at room temperature from wine glasses. Absolutely not meant for getting drunk. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.107\|108.162.254.107]] 10:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)