Talk:1546: Tamagotchi Hive - Revision history

NiceGuy1 at 06:17, 9 June 2017

2017-06-09T06:17:45Z

108.162.249.155: clarifying a thing i said

2016-03-10T01:38:42Z

clarifying a thing i said

108.162.249.155 at 01:09, 10 March 2016

2016-03-10T01:09:58Z

108.162.249.155 at 01:02, 10 March 2016

2016-03-10T01:02:08Z

Davidy22: Am I missing something? Is this how people are signing themselves off on wikipedia nowadays?

2016-03-04T17:52:36Z

Am I missing something? Is this how people are signing themselves off on wikipedia nowadays?

Pacerier at 12:08, 4 March 2016

2016-03-04T12:08:51Z

162.158.60.17 at 06:16, 14 February 2016

2016-02-14T06:16:09Z

108.162.245.147 at 07:19, 14 December 2015

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Codehead at 15:38, 25 November 2015

2015-11-25T15:38:14Z

108.162.245.147: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ ~~~~

2015-11-22T03:27:57Z

Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ ~~~~

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 ::::: Also [http://spritesmods.com/?art=tamasingularity]. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147|108.162.245.147]] 07:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
-Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
+Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this). I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version. - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC) I finally signed up! This comment is mine. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 06:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 :There are a number of sci-fi concepts conflated together when people talk about "The Singularity". Technically, the Singularity is the point at which the behaviour of AI becomes so sophisticated (relative to a human brain) that we are no longer able to predict it's behaviour, motives, etc. Thus is could then dominate history from that point onward in such a way that we can't predict anything that happens afterward (quite frankly, I think it is a pretty silly idea that makes some grandiose assumptions about the nature of intelligence, and is usually written by people with little idea of how history has proceeded in the past, but it is an interesting source of sci-fi stories at least). This is often combined, in sci-fi, with the ideas of "post-humanism", where people link themselves into technology to a degree that fundamentally changes what "the human experience" is. One manifestation of that is the idea that everyone will link themselves into a virtual reality and history will effectively end via a different method (the logic is that if you have AIs capable of outsmarting human brains, then you have AIs capable of containing sim,ulated human brains within themselves, hence: virtual world). Whether or not the Singularity is good or bad is irrelevant - the point of the metaphor is just that it is *unpredictable*. "Blindsight" by Peter Watts shows a future where the Singularity is disturbing and probably bad overall. The Culture novels by Iain M. Banks, in contrast, show a future where the Singularity is overwhelmingly good, and in fact the machines help us to achieve galactic communism. So the bad/good aspect of it just depends on what kind of novel you feel like writing. For a third perspective, check out Kim Stanley Robinson's "2312"... he is skeptical of the concept of The Singularity, and his super-sophisticated AIs impact humanity in quite a different way.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.155|108.162.249.155]] 01:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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	Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17\|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)		Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17\|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
−	:There are a number of sci-fi concepts conflated together when people talk about "The Singularity". Technically, the Singularity is the point at which the behaviour of AI becomes so sophisticated (relative to a human brain) that we are no longer able to predict it's behaviour, motives, etc. Thus is could then dominate history from that point onward in such a way that we can't predict anything that happens afterward. This is often combined, in sci-fi, with the ideas of "post-humanism", where people link themselves into technology to a degree that fundamentally changes what "the human experience" is. One manifestation of that is the idea that everyone will link themselves into a virtual reality and history will effectively end via a different method (the logic is ~~pretty sloppy tbh~~). Whether or not the Singularity is good or bad is irrelevant - the point of the metaphor is just that it is unpredictable. "Blindsight" by Peter Watts shows a future where the Singularity is disturbing and probably bad overall. The Culture novels by Iain M. Banks, in contrast, show a future where the Singularity is overwhelmingly good, and in fact the machines help us to achieve galactic communism. So the bad/good aspect of it just depends on what kind of novel you feel like writing. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.155\|108.162.249.155]] 01:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)	+	:There are a number of sci-fi concepts conflated together when people talk about "The Singularity". Technically, the Singularity is the point at which the behaviour of AI becomes so sophisticated (relative to a human brain) that we are no longer able to predict it's behaviour, motives, etc. Thus is could then dominate history from that point onward in such a way that we can't predict anything that happens afterward (quite frankly, I think it is a pretty silly idea that makes some grandiose assumptions about the nature of intelligence, and is usually written by people with little idea of how history has proceeded in the past, but it is an interesting source of sci-fi stories at least). This is often combined, in sci-fi, with the ideas of "post-humanism", where people link themselves into technology to a degree that fundamentally changes what "the human experience" is. One manifestation of that is the idea that everyone will link themselves into a virtual reality and history will effectively end via a different method (the logic is that if you have AIs capable of outsmarting human brains, then you have AIs capable of containing sim,ulated human brains within themselves, hence: virtual world). Whether or not the Singularity is good or bad is irrelevant - the point of the metaphor is just that it is unpredictable. "Blindsight" by Peter Watts shows a future where the Singularity is disturbing and probably bad overall. The Culture novels by Iain M. Banks, in contrast, show a future where the Singularity is overwhelmingly good, and in fact the machines help us to achieve galactic communism. So the bad/good aspect of it just depends on what kind of novel you feel like writing. For a third perspective, check out Kim Stanley Robinson's "2312"... he is skeptical of the concept of The Singularity, and his super-sophisticated AIs impact humanity in quite a different way.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.155\|108.162.249.155]] 01:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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	Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17\|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)		Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17\|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
		+	:There are a number of sci-fi concepts conflated together when people talk about "The Singularity". Technically, the Singularity is the point at which the behaviour of AI becomes so sophisticated (relative to a human brain) that we are no longer able to predict it's behaviour, motives, etc. Thus is could then dominate history from that point onward in such a way that we can't predict anything that happens afterward. This is often combined, in sci-fi, with the ideas of "post-humanism", where people link themselves into technology to a degree that fundamentally changes what "the human experience" is. One manifestation of that is the idea that everyone will link themselves into a virtual reality and history will effectively end via a different method (the logic is pretty sloppy tbh). Whether or not the Singularity is good or bad is irrelevant - the point of the metaphor is just that it is unpredictable. "Blindsight" by Peter Watts shows a future where the Singularity is disturbing and probably bad overall. The Culture novels by Iain M. Banks, in contrast, show a future where the Singularity is overwhelmingly good, and in fact the machines help us to achieve galactic communism. So the bad/good aspect of it just depends on what kind of novel you feel like writing. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.249.155\|108.162.249.155]] 01:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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 ::::The so-called-Singularity' point for AI is apparently where the AI crosses the line of dominance and inexorability.  So, yes, that's an 'event horizon', I'd say. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.53|141.101.99.53]] 03:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 ::::I agree with this definition of singularity (the positive-feedback loop of self-improving AI reaching the point where it is gaining apparently infinite improvement in any human-measurable time), and disagree with the idea that it implies anything about AI taking over or simulating human brains. The joke (as I see it) is that the AI that is optimised to manage trillions of emulated Tamagotchis will start along the same self-improvement path as other, contemporary AIs but will at some point decide that it is pointless improving itself further. Or will purposefully cease improving itself out of the sheer horror of contemplating its rapidly expanding mind-space filled with gazillions of Tamagotchis... [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.167|108.162.229.167]] 08:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 Someone needs to get on this and create a BOINC project or something. In all seriousness though, I wonder how many Tamagotchis you could simulate at once on the average home computer. [[User:Saklad5|Saklad5]] ([[User talk:Saklad5|talk]]) 14:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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 The singularity reference is worth explaining: The Singularity is a frequent trope in Science Fiction stories that postulates a time when AI technologies become all-pervasive, often alongside ubiquitous computing. This can include a situation where human minds can be uploaded into AIs, effectively running as simulations within these large distributed computers. {{unsigned ip|141.101.98.139}}
-:'''[[User:Pacerier|Pacerier]] ([[User talk:Pacerier|talk]]) 18:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)''': ❝
+:Can someone please elaborate on then significance of "singularity" in the comic? Sure, "the implication is that the author takes care of a population of virtual creatures rather than an AI ruling over the human population" but what has singularity got to do with this? [[User:Pacerier|Pacerier]] ([[User talk:Pacerier|talk]]) 18:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 : Actually "The Singularity" only means that an artificial system has grown in complexity beyond our ability to understand or predict it; In many ways this has already occurred. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.152|108.162.221.152]] 15:07, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 ::I always thought 'The Singularity' was misnamed, anyway.  In the way it is commonly used it is more like 'The Event Horizon'... Not that this has anything to do with the comic, but perhaps worth a side-note, anyway. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.181|141.101.98.181]] 19:35, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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	:::: Nice writeup at [http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/ http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/] [[User:Codehead\|Codehead]] ([[User talk:Codehead\|talk]]) 15:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)		:::: Nice writeup at [http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/ http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/] [[User:Codehead\|Codehead]] ([[User talk:Codehead\|talk]]) 15:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::: Also [http://spritesmods.com/?art=tamasingularity]. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 07:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)		::::: Also [http://spritesmods.com/?art=tamasingularity]. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 07:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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		+	Every other explanation I've ever seen of The Singularity conflicts with this one. This one indicates computers becoming intelligent enough to take control, like with The Matrix or the Terminator movies, which makes it a rather negative thing we should want to avoid. Every OTHER explanation I've seen paints it as something to look forward to, describing The Singularity as being the point when computers become sophisticated enough as to allow humans to transfer their consciousness into a computer, thus extending our lifespans theoretically infinitely (an example of this version would be one particular episode of Big Bang Theory, in which Sheldon calculates that he will not live long enough to see The Singularity, and laments this. I believe past xkcd comics have likewise used this version) - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.60.17\|162.158.60.17]] 06:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

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	::: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 03:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)		::: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 03:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::: Nice writeup at [http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/ http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/] [[User:Codehead\|Codehead]] ([[User talk:Codehead\|talk]]) 15:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)		:::: Nice writeup at [http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/ http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/] [[User:Codehead\|Codehead]] ([[User talk:Codehead\|talk]]) 15:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
		+	::::: Also [http://spritesmods.com/?art=tamasingularity]. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 07:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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	:: The code for the Tamagotchi TamaGo and Friends has been extracted ([http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2013/05/first-glimpse-soul-tamagotchi/], [http://natashenka.ca/tamagotchi-friends-code-dump/]) and it can be run in browsers with the help of JavaScript (I forget where the site is though) [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.161\|173.245.48.161]] 04:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)		:: The code for the Tamagotchi TamaGo and Friends has been extracted ([http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2013/05/first-glimpse-soul-tamagotchi/], [http://natashenka.ca/tamagotchi-friends-code-dump/]) and it can be run in browsers with the help of JavaScript (I forget where the site is though) [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.161\|173.245.48.161]] 04:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
	::: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 03:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)		::: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 03:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
		+	:::: Nice writeup at [http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/ http://hackaday.com/2015/11/24/building-the-infinite-matrix-of-tamagotchis/] [[User:Codehead\|Codehead]] ([[User talk:Codehead\|talk]]) 15:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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	: If I didn't have a bunch of other projects I should be paying attention to, I would. As I said above (I really need to make an account >.>) creating a Tamagotchi Simulator would probably involve decompiling and analyzing the android source code to the Tamagotchi L.i.f.e. app, and then coding a simulator based on it. Which shouldn't be particularly difficult, given the relatively simple game logic. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.220.119\|108.162.220.119]] 20:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)		: If I didn't have a bunch of other projects I should be paying attention to, I would. As I said above (I really need to make an account >.>) creating a Tamagotchi Simulator would probably involve decompiling and analyzing the android source code to the Tamagotchi L.i.f.e. app, and then coding a simulator based on it. Which shouldn't be particularly difficult, given the relatively simple game logic. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.220.119\|108.162.220.119]] 20:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
	:: The code for the Tamagotchi TamaGo and Friends has been extracted ([http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2013/05/first-glimpse-soul-tamagotchi/], [http://natashenka.ca/tamagotchi-friends-code-dump/]) and it can be run in browsers with the help of JavaScript (I forget where the site is though) [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.161\|173.245.48.161]] 04:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)		:: The code for the Tamagotchi TamaGo and Friends has been extracted ([http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2013/05/first-glimpse-soul-tamagotchi/], [http://natashenka.ca/tamagotchi-friends-code-dump/]) and it can be run in browsers with the help of JavaScript (I forget where the site is though) [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.161\|173.245.48.161]] 04:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
		+	::: Someone's did it, http://tamahive.spritesserver.nl/ [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.147\|108.162.245.147]] 03:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)