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108.162.221.95: Weighing in on Facebook VS apps & on apostrophe placement.

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Weighing in on Facebook VS apps & on apostrophe placement.

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 ::::I use IRC on occasion, and as far as I can tell, it's still just plain text. Here's what ChatZilla, an IRC client for Firefox, looks like. [http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj637/backagain2012/irc_zpsu2lzdlvf.png] [[User:NealCruco|NealCruco]] ([[User talk:NealCruco|talk]]) 03:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 BTW, Cosmogoblin, you're probably right to change my original "'90s" to "90's" based on the comic style, but I thoroughly disagree with the format Randall chooses.  Stylebooks be damned (or at least those that say it can/''should'' be done this way), but as a contraction of the plural of "1990" it really ought to have an apostrophe (if anywhere) for the characters lost in the contraction and ''no'' apostrophe for the pluralisation.  (In fact, in the comic, it should actually be "90s' kid", best to omit the first apostrophe and put the second where it ''actually'' belongs in this possessive context.) Rant over. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252|141.101.98.252]] 15:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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 :"Use the letter s but '''not an apostrophe after the figures''' when expressing decades or centuries. Do, however, use an '''apostrophe before figures''' expressing a decade if numerals are left out."  Figures = digits.  So, 1990s, the '90s.  https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/735/02/  [[User:Pesthouse|Pesthouse]] ([[User talk:Pesthouse|talk]]) 23:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 ;Median mother at 25 today

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	Just properly read the transcript. "Two kids, with very different hair style, are in a playground. A fence is visible in the background, and on the ground appear to be various items including a puddle or rug and toy blocks." (At time of writing, at least.) I must say I'd first seen the image as a playroom. The puddle/rug being a throw-rug (or possibly illustrated 'playmat'), the thing to the left of the blocks some sort of play diorama (with toy trucks on?) and, apart from the blocks, a surprisingly sparse amount of playroom detritus on the floor (toy fish? and a much smaller toy steamboat? ...perhaps the playmat depicts an island/lake scene, for these). In the background is a dado rail topping the part-panelled wainscotting of the playroom wall.		Just properly read the transcript. "Two kids, with very different hair style, are in a playground. A fence is visible in the background, and on the ground appear to be various items including a puddle or rug and toy blocks." (At time of writing, at least.) I must say I'd first seen the image as a playroom. The puddle/rug being a throw-rug (or possibly illustrated 'playmat'), the thing to the left of the blocks some sort of play diorama (with toy trucks on?) and, apart from the blocks, a surprisingly sparse amount of playroom detritus on the floor (toy fish? and a much smaller toy steamboat? ...perhaps the playmat depicts an island/lake scene, for these). In the background is a dado rail topping the part-panelled wainscotting of the playroom wall.

−	But an outside (playground, or more likely backyard/shared-yard) scene actually makes sense, too. An actual puddle (or a dried/drying-out one, and/or the site of a 'dirt patch'), the toy trucks could be on a sandpile, the 'steamboat' (at least) could actually be a small weed, and behind them is a boundary fence of some kind. Not sure if a rug would be in a kid's yard (maybe somewhere like California~~. But~~ it's made me think. (...that I obviously have too much time on my hands?) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 18:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)	+	But an outside (playground, or more likely backyard/shared-yard) scene actually makes sense, too. An actual puddle (or a dried/drying-out one, and/or the site of a 'dirt patch'), the toy trucks could be on a sandpile, the 'steamboat' (at least) could actually be a small weed, and behind them is a boundary fence of some kind. Not sure if a rug would be in a kid's yard (maybe somewhere like California!), but it's made me think. (...that I obviously have too much time on my hands?) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 18:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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 ::Ok, I wouldn't say "kid of New York" (normally), but I would say "kid of the '90s".  But I accept a "'90s kid" could be sententially the same as "a blonde kid".
-::(I'm not willing to be quite so charitable about the idea of the apostrophe reducing confusion, in this case.  It's the same style as "1000's of DVD's as little as for low prices!  Save $$$$'s!" (or "££££'s", but for this example I'll aim at everyone from Antuiga to Zimbabwe, including the 321 million US residents, rather than the rather more limited populations including the 65 million United Kingdom... and it's a horrible 'headline shortcut', anyway, regardless of symbol).  It makes no more sense than the perfectly understandable "1000s of DVDs for low prices!  Save $$$$s!" so the use of an apostrophe in a style incompatable with rules that apply to ''standard'' words is... an affectation at best.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
+::(I'm not willing to be quite so charitable about the idea of the apostrophe reducing confusion, in this case.  It's the same style as "1000's of DVD's for low prices!  Save $$$$'s!" (or "££££'s", but for this example I'll aim at everyone from Antuiga to Zimbabwe, including the 321 million US residents, rather than the rather more limited populations including the 65 million United Kingdom... and it's a horrible 'headline shortcut', anyway, regardless of symbol).  It makes no more sense than the perfectly understandable "1000s of DVDs for low prices!  Save $$$$s!" so the use of an apostrophe in a style incompatable with rules that apply to ''standard'' words is... an affectation at best.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 :"Use the letter s but '''not an apostrophe after the figures''' when expressing decades or centuries. Do, however, use an '''apostrophe before figures''' expressing a decade if numerals are left out."  Figures = digits.  So, 1990s, the '90s.  https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/735/02/  [[User:Pesthouse|Pesthouse]] ([[User talk:Pesthouse|talk]]) 23:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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 Randall is not God, and he can make mistakes. Moreover, the definition of "90s kid" is not set in stone. Pointing out discrepancies between Randall and Urban Dictionary doesn't make him a fool. Randall is talking explicitly about new mothers. The comic must be set in the future if we assume those are the children of new mothers. I added the deleted math. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.154|173.245.55.154]] 13:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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	:Probably 25plus10 years first-time-mothers are more common than 25minus10 years first-time-mothers, but that's a potential assymetry of the 'tails', and still the two middle quartiles could be unarguably relevent. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		:Probably 25plus10 years first-time-mothers are more common than 25minus10 years first-time-mothers, but that's a potential assymetry of the 'tails', and still the two middle quartiles could be unarguably relevent. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

−	Randall is not God, and he can make mistakes. Pointing out discrepancies between Randall and Urban Dictionary doesn't make him a fool. Randall is talking explicitly about new mothers. The comic must be set in the future if we assume those are the children of new mothers. I added the deleted math. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.154\|173.245.55.154]] 13:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)	+	Randall is not God, and he can make mistakes. Moreover, the definition of "90s kid" is not set in stone. Pointing out discrepancies between Randall and Urban Dictionary doesn't make him a fool. Randall is talking explicitly about new mothers. The comic must be set in the future if we assume those are the children of new mothers. I added the deleted math. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.154\|173.245.55.154]] 13:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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	:As long as we're not accidentally counting "mothers at 35" rather than "''first time'' mothers at 35". The latter would be less common than the former. It'd be more akin to a bell curve with upper and lower 'tails' than a cumulative distribution S-curve where eventually everyone (who ''will'' ever be a statistic) is represented at the upper-end of the time scale.		:As long as we're not accidentally counting "mothers at 35" rather than "''first time'' mothers at 35". The latter would be less common than the former. It'd be more akin to a bell curve with upper and lower 'tails' than a cumulative distribution S-curve where eventually everyone (who ''will'' ever be a statistic) is represented at the upper-end of the time scale.
	:Probably 25plus10 years first-time-mothers are more common than 25minus10 years first-time-mothers, but that's a potential assymetry of the 'tails', and still the two middle quartiles could be unarguably relevent. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		:Probably 25plus10 years first-time-mothers are more common than 25minus10 years first-time-mothers, but that's a potential assymetry of the 'tails', and still the two middle quartiles could be unarguably relevent. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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		+	Randall is not God, and he can make mistakes. Pointing out discrepancies between Randall and Urban Dictionary doesn't make him a fool. Randall is talking explicitly about new mothers. The comic must be set in the future if we assume those are the children of new mothers. I added the deleted math. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.154\|173.245.55.154]] 13:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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	:::IRC? Wow. That's pretty much almost as retro as email. (I suppose, like email, it's now all graphical with some equivalent to full HTML formatting including attached MIME encoded image contents.) It's been two decades since I last used IRC, so I've probably missed various 'improvements' to it. I hope the 'cool kids' know its noble history and aren't just under the impression that it's as some form of modern Mass Instant Messaging machine. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		:::IRC? Wow. That's pretty much almost as retro as email. (I suppose, like email, it's now all graphical with some equivalent to full HTML formatting including attached MIME encoded image contents.) It's been two decades since I last used IRC, so I've probably missed various 'improvements' to it. I hope the 'cool kids' know its noble history and aren't just under the impression that it's as some form of modern Mass Instant Messaging machine. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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		+	::::I use IRC on occasion, and as far as I can tell, it's still just plain text. Here's what ChatZilla, an IRC client for Firefox, looks like. [http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj637/backagain2012/irc_zpsu2lzdlvf.png] [[User:NealCruco\|NealCruco]] ([[User talk:NealCruco\|talk]]) 03:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

	BTW, Cosmogoblin, you're probably right to change my original "'90s" to "90's" based on the comic style, but I thoroughly disagree with the format Randall chooses. Stylebooks be damned (or at least those that say it can/''should'' be done this way), but as a contraction of the plural of "1990" it really ought to have an apostrophe (if anywhere) for the characters lost in the contraction and ''no'' apostrophe for the pluralisation. (In fact, in the comic, it should actually be "90s' kid", best to omit the first apostrophe and put the second where it ''actually'' belongs in this possessive context.) Rant over. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 15:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		BTW, Cosmogoblin, you're probably right to change my original "'90s" to "90's" based on the comic style, but I thoroughly disagree with the format Randall chooses. Stylebooks be damned (or at least those that say it can/''should'' be done this way), but as a contraction of the plural of "1990" it really ought to have an apostrophe (if anywhere) for the characters lost in the contraction and ''no'' apostrophe for the pluralisation. (In fact, in the comic, it should actually be "90s' kid", best to omit the first apostrophe and put the second where it ''actually'' belongs in this possessive context.) Rant over. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252\|141.101.98.252]] 15:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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	"Typical" doesn't have quite as strict a meaning as "median" ... but yeah, assuming the median date of birth of a new mother is 1 January 1990, then half of all new mothers are pre-90's kids. Taking into account mothers born in the 2000s, this would mean that the majority of new mothers are NOT 90's kids. [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 14:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		"Typical" doesn't have quite as strict a meaning as "median" ... but yeah, assuming the median date of birth of a new mother is 1 January 1990, then half of all new mothers are pre-90's kids. Taking into account mothers born in the 2000s, this would mean that the majority of new mothers are NOT 90's kids. [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 14:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
		+	:There would be only a few mothers that were born in the 2000s right now. If one was born on January 1st, 2000, then he/she would have gotten pregnant during freshman year, which would be very rare (keep in mind that not even 3% of females in the US get pregnant during their teenage years, and, of those, about 75% were 18 or 19. Anyone born after 2000 would be so young that I couldn't even find any teenage pregnancy website that covered their age.[[User:Mulan15262\|Mulan15262]] ([[User talk:Mulan15262\|talk]]) 03:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

	I teach British teenagers, and they scoff at people who "still use facebook". These "time passes" comics are getting a little tedious for my tastes. [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 14:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		I teach British teenagers, and they scoff at people who "still use facebook". These "time passes" comics are getting a little tedious for my tastes. [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 14:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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 :::Snapchat, usually. "Charlotte, stop using Snapchat." "How did you know I was using Snapchat?" "You're ALWAYS using Snapchat." [[User:Cosmogoblin|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin|talk]]) 16:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 BTW, Cosmogoblin, you're probably right to change my original "'90s" to "90's" based on the comic style, but I thoroughly disagree with the format Randall chooses.  Stylebooks be damned (or at least those that say it can/''should'' be done this way), but as a contraction of the plural of "1990" it really ought to have an apostrophe (if anywhere) for the characters lost in the contraction and ''no'' apostrophe for the pluralisation.  (In fact, in the comic, it should actually be "90s' kid", best to omit the first apostrophe and put the second where it ''actually'' belongs in this possessive context.) Rant over. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.252|141.101.98.252]] 15:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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 ::Similarly, "The years 1990, 1991, ... and 1999 comprise the 1990s, often shortened to the '90s".
 ::Still, I think it's appropriate to use the comic's version in this article. Just as I try to pronounce and spell people's names as they say, not as I think they should be pronounced and spelled. I'm still annoyed by the CIA Factbook's insistence on spelling the English and Australian Labour Parties as "Labor", because it's factually wrong - even if they disagree with spelling it "Labour"! [[User:Cosmogoblin|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin|talk]]) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 ;Median mother at 25 today
 I did edit the explain because we have some simple math Randall was thinking of: The median mother at 25 was born in 1990, she knowns those cartoons from the 90s. But median means that there are today mothers born later and earlier. Mothers at age of 35 today are common but a women born in 1999 is 15 or 16 today and does not have kids - ok, a few have but that's not common. So that young kids today have parents at an age were the parents were kids in the 1990's. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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	::Similarly, "The years 1990, 1991, ... and 1999 comprise the 1990s, often shortened to the '90s".		::Similarly, "The years 1990, 1991, ... and 1999 comprise the 1990s, often shortened to the '90s".
	::Still, I think it's appropriate to use the comic's version in this article. Just as I try to pronounce and spell people's names as they say, not as I think they should be pronounced and spelled. I'm still annoyed by the CIA Factbook's insistence on spelling the English and Australian Labour Parties as "Labor", because it's factually wrong - even if they disagree with spelling it "Labour"! [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)		::Still, I think it's appropriate to use the comic's version in this article. Just as I try to pronounce and spell people's names as they say, not as I think they should be pronounced and spelled. I'm still annoyed by the CIA Factbook's insistence on spelling the English and Australian Labour Parties as "Labor", because it's factually wrong - even if they disagree with spelling it "Labour"! [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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		+	I did edit the explain because we have some simple math Randall was thinking of: The median mother at 25 was born in 1990, she knowns those cartoons from the 90s. But median means that there are today mothers born later and earlier. Mothers at age of 35 today are common but a women born in 1999 is 15 or 16 today and does not have kids - ok, a few have but that's not common. So that young kids today have parents at an age were the parents were kids in the 1990's. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)