Talk:1561: Water Phase Diagram - Revision history

162.158.255.52 at 18:06, 28 September 2015

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Xyzdragon at 19:12, 8 September 2015

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Davidy22 at 23:28, 15 August 2015

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Nk22 at 11:31, 15 August 2015

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SaxTeacher: add a comment

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add a comment

108.162.216.173: explain prior edit

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explain prior edit

Tanana at 22:49, 10 August 2015

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Tanana: about Vonnegut's ice-nine

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about Vonnegut's ice-nine

Kynde at 20:15, 8 August 2015

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Davidy22 at 02:23, 8 August 2015

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	And here I thought it was somehow referencing this http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/this-ice-cream-doesnt-melt-150831.htm "This Ice Cream Doesn't Melt" [[User:Xyzdragon\|Xyzdragon]] ([[User talk:Xyzdragon\|talk]]) 19:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)		And here I thought it was somehow referencing this http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/this-ice-cream-doesnt-melt-150831.htm "This Ice Cream Doesn't Melt" [[User:Xyzdragon\|Xyzdragon]] ([[User talk:Xyzdragon\|talk]]) 19:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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		+	"U Can't Touch This" does not also sample "Under Pressure", it samples "Superfreak". The connection between the two is just that they caused similar controversies at about the same time. As soon as I can come up with good wording, I'll edit the explanation. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.52\|162.158.255.52]] 18:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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	Also missing are references to Ice T and "Cold As Ice." [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdXbMyo1rU[/url] —[[User:SaxTeacher\|SaxTeacher]] [[User talk:SaxTeacher\|<small>(talk)</small>]] 02:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)		Also missing are references to Ice T and "Cold As Ice." [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdXbMyo1rU[/url] —[[User:SaxTeacher\|SaxTeacher]] [[User talk:SaxTeacher\|<small>(talk)</small>]] 02:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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		+	And here I thought it was somehow referencing this http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/this-ice-cream-doesnt-melt-150831.htm "This Ice Cream Doesn't Melt" [[User:Xyzdragon\|Xyzdragon]] ([[User talk:Xyzdragon\|talk]]) 19:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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-===Hidden message===
+;Hidden message
 What's up with that square under "water vapor"?  Is it just a glitch, or is it some hidden message like in https://xkcd.com/1005/? [[User:Nick818|Nick818]] ([[User talk:Nick818|talk]])
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 : I don't see any square, faded or otherwise, by label "water vapor". [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.231|108.162.219.231]] 13:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 ::Yeah, it's gone now... __rvx [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.86|173.245.50.86]] 00:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
-===What If?===
+;What If?
 Why no mention of the relation to the current whatif? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.91.91|141.101.91.91]] 07:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-===Title text===
+;Title text
 Disagree that the title text is definitely in reference to any line in the song, just because it includes the word "collaborate[d]" [[Special:Contributions/108.162.228.17|108.162.228.17]] 07:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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 ::: I thought for sure the intersection of the three was called "Ice-T" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.184|173.245.48.184]] 13:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-===Kurt Vonnegut===
+;Kurt Vonnegut
 Surely this comic would have been a perfect opportunity to mention {{w|Kurt Vonnegut}}'s fictional {{w|Ice-nine}}? Disappointed in you Randall! [[User:Cosmogoblin|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin|talk]]) 09:42, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 :I agree that Vonnegut's ice-nine is a wonderful topic, but since it exists (fictionally) at room temperature and pressure, it complicates this piece. --[[User:Tanana|Tanana]] ([[User talk:Tanana|talk]]) 22:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
-===Opinion===
+;Opinion
 I have to very strongly disagree with the opinion expressed by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.173|108.162.216.173]] in [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1561:_Water_Phase_Diagram&diff=99284&oldid=99281 this edit], namely that 'pressure scale incresing down isn't so jokes are at bottom, it facilitates being "Under" Pressure - the joke doesn't work any other way.' Being at the bottom along the pressure axis doesn't mean that region is "under" pressure. It's "under" Vanilla Ice. The joke works because it is ''under pressure'', a very high amount of pressure, not because it is geometrically below pressure in any sense (it really isn't). My original text, that pressure increases downwards so the jokes are at the bottom, makes far more sense to me (well, naturally). It's the "reveal". If the jokes were at the top, they'd be read before the average reader had even grasped what the comic was about. But anyway, that's just my opinion; does anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Peregrine|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine|talk]]) 15:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 :I totally agree with you and have reverted to something similar to the original version. Maybe it could be worded better, but at least that makes sense. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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 What's up with that square under "water vapor"?  Is it just a glitch, or is it some hidden message like in https://xkcd.com/1005/? [[User:Nick818|Nick818]] ([[User talk:Nick818|talk]])
-I think it is a hidden message, it almost looks like a tiny graph. {{unsigned ip|108.162.242.27}}
+: I think it is a hidden message, it almost looks like a tiny graph. {{unsigned ip|108.162.242.27}}
-It looks like a tiny version of the same graph, but flipped upright so that pressure increases as you go up. (Doing this in the main strip would ruin the "Under Pressure" joke. --[[User:Druid816|Druid816]] ([[User talk:Druid816|talk]]) 05:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+:: It looks like a tiny version of the same graph, but flipped upright so that pressure increases as you go up. (Doing this in the main strip would ruin the "Under Pressure" joke. --[[User:Druid816|Druid816]] ([[User talk:Druid816|talk]]) 05:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-I'd say it's the phase diagram Randall used as a template, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_diagram#Crystal_phase_diagrams Wikipedia] --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.232|108.162.229.232]] 05:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+::: I'd say it's the phase diagram Randall used as a template, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_diagram#Crystal_phase_diagrams Wikipedia] --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.232|108.162.229.232]] 05:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-The only thing I can think of is "water + vapor + paper" with the letters being {unique, identical, second, first, identical}. No idea if that means anything. It's probably just a pencil drawing that Randall forgot to remove before publishing. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.70|108.162.216.70]] 06:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+:The only thing I can think of is "water + vapor + paper" with the letters being {unique, identical, second, first, identical}. No idea if that means anything. It's probably just a pencil drawing that Randall forgot to remove before publishing. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.70|108.162.216.70]] 06:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-:Seems to be the phase diagram from wikipedia. I put a contrast enhanced zoom [http://i.imgur.com/wJGVriV.png here] and it corresponds extremely well with the wikipedia version (including darker pixels where the blue is). -- [[Special:Contributions/141.101.105.234|141.101.105.234]] 13:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+::Seems to be the phase diagram from wikipedia. I put a contrast enhanced zoom [http://i.imgur.com/wJGVriV.png here] and it corresponds extremely well with the wikipedia version (including darker pixels where the blue is). -- [[Special:Contributions/141.101.105.234|141.101.105.234]] 13:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
-::I think it might be a reference to the "Full text of the Wikipedia article on pareidolia" of the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1551 Pluto comic]. --[[User:Lokar|Lokar]] ([[User talk:Lokar|talk]]) 15:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+:::I think it might be a reference to the "Full text of the Wikipedia article on pareidolia" of the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1551 Pluto comic]. --[[User:Lokar|Lokar]] ([[User talk:Lokar|talk]]) 15:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 Why no mention of the relation to the current whatif? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.91.91|141.101.91.91]] 07:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 Disagree that the title text is definitely in reference to any line in the song, just because it includes the word "collaborate[d]" [[Special:Contributions/108.162.228.17|108.162.228.17]] 07:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 Surely this comic would have been a perfect opportunity to mention {{w|Kurt Vonnegut}}'s fictional {{w|Ice-nine}}? Disappointed in you Randall! [[User:Cosmogoblin|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin|talk]]) 09:42, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 :I agree that Vonnegut's ice-nine is a wonderful topic, but since it exists (fictionally) at room temperature and pressure, it complicates this piece. --[[User:Tanana|Tanana]] ([[User talk:Tanana|talk]]) 22:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
-I’m not happy with the title-text-explanation. In my eyes the joke is that Randall try to make us believe that Vanilla-icecream is ice IV – and they somehow managed in the 90s to let it exists at high temperatures (for us: normal room temp). --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 11:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
+===Opinion===
 I have to very strongly disagree with the opinion expressed by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.173|108.162.216.173]] in [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1561:_Water_Phase_Diagram&diff=99284&oldid=99281 this edit], namely that 'pressure scale incresing down isn't so jokes are at bottom, it facilitates being "Under" Pressure - the joke doesn't work any other way.' Being at the bottom along the pressure axis doesn't mean that region is "under" pressure. It's "under" Vanilla Ice. The joke works because it is ''under pressure'', a very high amount of pressure, not because it is geometrically below pressure in any sense (it really isn't). My original text, that pressure increases downwards so the jokes are at the bottom, makes far more sense to me (well, naturally). It's the "reveal". If the jokes were at the top, they'd be read before the average reader had even grasped what the comic was about. But anyway, that's just my opinion; does anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Peregrine|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine|talk]]) 15:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 :I totally agree with you and have reverted to something similar to the original version. Maybe it could be worded better, but at least that makes sense. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 :As the editor who changed the wording obviously I disagree.  If the axis were arranged correctly the linkage to "Under Pressure" would be far less obvious.  ("Over" pressure??!?)  I get what you're saying that 'under' pressure has nothing to do with geometry, but it does work typographic arrangement.  But I have to question why the reveal is naturally the right assumption, as it would still work just as well with the 'reveal' at the top... maybe it's just kismet.  But then again, I think the speculation is overthought in the first place - it's also just as natural that Ice Ice Baby is built on top of Under Pressure - and I've already invested too much time in it.  Just MVHO. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.173|108.162.216.173]] 19:32, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 Sorry, got lost, but I wanted to suggest it's missing Miles Davis at the very bottom.  "Birth of The Cool", ya know. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.27|108.162.242.27]] 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 Also missing are references to Ice T and "Cold As Ice." [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdXbMyo1rU[/url] —[[User:SaxTeacher|SaxTeacher]] [[User talk:SaxTeacher|<small>(talk)</small>]] 02:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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	Sorry, got lost, but I wanted to suggest it's missing Miles Davis at the very bottom. "Birth of The Cool", ya know. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.27\|108.162.242.27]] 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)		Sorry, got lost, but I wanted to suggest it's missing Miles Davis at the very bottom. "Birth of The Cool", ya know. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.27\|108.162.242.27]] 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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		+	Also missing are references to Ice T and "Cold As Ice." [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdXbMyo1rU[/url] —[[User:SaxTeacher\|SaxTeacher]] [[User talk:SaxTeacher\|<small>(talk)</small>]] 02:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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	Surely this comic would have been a perfect opportunity to mention {{w\|Kurt Vonnegut}}'s fictional {{w\|Ice-nine}}? Disappointed in you Randall! [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 09:42, 7 August 2015 (UTC)		Surely this comic would have been a perfect opportunity to mention {{w\|Kurt Vonnegut}}'s fictional {{w\|Ice-nine}}? Disappointed in you Randall! [[User:Cosmogoblin\|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin\|talk]]) 09:42, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
		+	:I agree that Vonnegut's ice-nine is a wonderful topic, but since it exists (fictionally) at room temperature, it complicates this piece. --[[User:Tanana\|Tanana]] ([[User talk:Tanana\|talk]]) 22:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

	I’m not happy with the title-text-explanation. In my eyes the joke is that Randall try to make us believe that Vanilla-icecream is ice IV – and they somehow managed in the 90s to let it exists at high temperatures (for us: normal room temp). --[[User:DaB.\|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.\|talk]]) 11:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)		I’m not happy with the title-text-explanation. In my eyes the joke is that Randall try to make us believe that Vanilla-icecream is ice IV – and they somehow managed in the 90s to let it exists at high temperatures (for us: normal room temp). --[[User:DaB.\|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.\|talk]]) 11:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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	I have to very strongly disagree with the opinion expressed by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.173\|108.162.216.173]] in [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1561:_Water_Phase_Diagram&diff=99284&oldid=99281 this edit], namely that 'pressure scale incresing down isn't so jokes are at bottom, it facilitates being "Under" Pressure - the joke doesn't work any other way.' Being at the bottom along the pressure axis doesn't mean that region is "under" pressure. It's "under" Vanilla Ice. The joke works because it is ''under pressure'', a very high amount of pressure, not because it is geometrically below pressure in any sense (it really isn't). My original text, that pressure increases downwards so the jokes are at the bottom, makes far more sense to me (well, naturally). It's the "reveal". If the jokes were at the top, they'd be read before the average reader had even grasped what the comic was about. But anyway, that's just my opinion; does anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Peregrine\|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine\|talk]]) 15:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)		I have to very strongly disagree with the opinion expressed by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.173\|108.162.216.173]] in [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1561:_Water_Phase_Diagram&diff=99284&oldid=99281 this edit], namely that 'pressure scale incresing down isn't so jokes are at bottom, it facilitates being "Under" Pressure - the joke doesn't work any other way.' Being at the bottom along the pressure axis doesn't mean that region is "under" pressure. It's "under" Vanilla Ice. The joke works because it is ''under pressure'', a very high amount of pressure, not because it is geometrically below pressure in any sense (it really isn't). My original text, that pressure increases downwards so the jokes are at the bottom, makes far more sense to me (well, naturally). It's the "reveal". If the jokes were at the top, they'd be read before the average reader had even grasped what the comic was about. But anyway, that's just my opinion; does anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Peregrine\|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine\|talk]]) 15:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
		+	:I totally agree with you and have reverted to something similar to the original version. Maybe it could be worded better, but at least that makes sense. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 20:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

	Sorry, got lost, but I wanted to suggest it's missing Miles Davis at the very bottom. "Birth of The Cool", ya know. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.27\|108.162.242.27]] 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)		Sorry, got lost, but I wanted to suggest it's missing Miles Davis at the very bottom. "Birth of The Cool", ya know. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.242.27\|108.162.242.27]] 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)