Talk:1594: Human Subjects - Revision history

172.68.226.193 at 19:37, 17 May 2022

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141.101.75.185 at 13:42, 28 October 2015

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198.41.238.33: Typos? Meh. Repeated typos? Hm...

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Typos? Meh. Repeated typos? Hm...

108.162.221.65 at 23:43, 26 October 2015

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Miamiclay at 03:20, 25 October 2015

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Miamiclay: Milgram experiment detail

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Milgram experiment detail

Davidy22 at 01:16, 25 October 2015

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108.162.218.118 at 00:48, 25 October 2015

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199.27.128.112: Comments - further details and citation about fishing for patterns in data.

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Comments - further details and citation about fishing for patterns in data.

198.41.235.101: /* World Polio Day Comic */ new section

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‎World Polio Day Comic: new section

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	It may be worth noting that in the Milgram experiments, the subjects continued to administer harsher shocks when told to "Please continue," or other similarly anodyne statements, but when they were actually ordered to continue, none did. This was the subject of this week's Radiolab episode, presumably coincidentally. [[User:Miamiclay\|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay\|talk]]) 03:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)		It may be worth noting that in the Milgram experiments, the subjects continued to administer harsher shocks when told to "Please continue," or other similarly anodyne statements, but when they were actually ordered to continue, none did. This was the subject of this week's Radiolab episode, presumably coincidentally. [[User:Miamiclay\|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay\|talk]]) 03:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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		+	[[Special:Contributions/172.68.226.193\|172.68.226.193]]The comic is about selection bias. Megan maybe got the subjects from a narrow area (maybe a mental insitution or a prison), explaining why the subjects acted this way.

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		+	(How'd I miss this strip? I think I was busy, that day and the next few.) ''Certainly'' not directly related, but recently I've seen a documentary about the effects of video-gaming on people in which a (not-linked) student study to see how many randomly moving dots a person could remember as having been of initially one state or another (shown at the start, before made indistinguishable) after they've been mixed up. The student conducting the research got unexpectedly high results from his group. It turns out he used many of his friends, in particular friends who all played videogames with each other, which it seems gave them the skills (and/or greatly self-selected against those lacking the skills) enabling them all to go on to do far better than the expected average on the test. Interesting, I thought, if not directly connected with the comic. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.75.185\|141.101.75.185]] 13:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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 The responses in panels 1, 3, and 4 show that Megan is trying to downplay the issues despite better knowledge. This is probably done to surprise the reader of the dialogue for better dramatic effect.  Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.159|162.158.91.159]] 05:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 In the second panel, Megan makes a good point which Ponytail misses. If the control group had a high incidence of arson, while the experimental group did not (and assuming that proper protocols were followed in assigning subjects to groups), there is a possibility that the drug has the side-effect of suppressing the urge for arson [[User:Sysin|Sysin]] ([[User talk:Sysin|talk]]) 06:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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 :::In this case both the control and the test group must be full of arsonists and the question is why did Ponytail let them lose to commit arson in the first place. May bye a double-blind test?[[User:Jkotek|Jkotek]] ([[User talk:Jkotek|talk]]) 13:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 :::Maybe both groups were arsonists and the thing  helps prevent the person from getting arrested somehow. [[User:Mulan15262|Mulan15262]] ([[User talk:Mulan15262|talk]]) 14:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 :Another interpretation of the second panel is that Ponytail went fishing for patterns in the data, and happened to find the apparent cluster of arson arrests.  There is no obvious reason why arson arrests would have any bearing on a drug trial.  (Of course this depends on the drug, but the experiment in the last panel is about moisturizing cream; since no more specifics are given there is no reason to assume it is a psychologically active substance.)  If you look at enough variables about a group of people (be they ever-so carefully randomly selected) you will probably find some "unusual" pattern - some way that they differ from the entire population.

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	At the top of xkcd.com is a link to Bill Gate's blog http://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/XKCD-Marks-the-Spot which currently contains one of Mr. Munroe's strips. Is this an appropriate subject for this wiki? and if so how?--[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.101\|198.41.235.101]] 20:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)		At the top of xkcd.com is a link to Bill Gate's blog http://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/XKCD-Marks-the-Spot which currently contains one of Mr. Munroe's strips. Is this an appropriate subject for this wiki? and if so how?--[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.101\|198.41.235.101]] 20:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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 Does antisocial behavior really invalidate non-neuro/psychological drug trials? I don't think personality would change the progression and nature of other diseases. --[[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.137|199.27.128.137]] 09:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- It may be worth noting that in the Milgram experiments, the subjects continued to administer harsher shocks when told to "Please continue," or other similarly anodyne statements, but when they were actually ordered to continue, none did. This was the subject of this week's Radiolab episode, presumably coincidentally.  [[User:Miamiclay|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay|talk]]) 03:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
+It may be worth noting that in the Milgram experiments, the subjects continued to administer harsher shocks when told to "Please continue," or other similarly anodyne statements, but when they were actually ordered to continue, none did. This was the subject of this week's Radiolab episode, presumably coincidentally.  [[User:Miamiclay|Miamiclay]] ([[User talk:Miamiclay|talk]]) 03:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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 At the top of xkcd.com is a link to Bill Gate's blog http://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/XKCD-Marks-the-Spot which currently contains one of Mr. Munroe's strips.  Is this an appropriate subject for this wiki? and if so how?--[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.101|198.41.235.101]] 20:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

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	did [[Danish]] cut her hair? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.8\|108.162.216.8]] 11:22, 23 October 2015 (UTC)		did [[Danish]] cut her hair? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.8\|108.162.216.8]] 11:22, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
		+	:I agree, this is more typical of [[Danish]], so either she cut her hair or is wearing it up in some manner. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 00:48, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

	also, the title text could allude to the fact that sociopaths (or successful ones at least) tend to be really adept at getting other people to write off or engage in their behaviours. that is, the IRB, despite the apparent awfulness of the actions of the subjects, on meeting them thought they were pretty cool and people should lay off. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.8\|108.162.216.8]] 11:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)		also, the title text could allude to the fact that sociopaths (or successful ones at least) tend to be really adept at getting other people to write off or engage in their behaviours. that is, the IRB, despite the apparent awfulness of the actions of the subjects, on meeting them thought they were pretty cool and people should lay off. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.8\|108.162.216.8]] 11:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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	Does antisocial behavior really invalidate non-neuro/psychological drug trials? I don't think personality would change the progression and nature of other diseases. --[[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.137\|199.27.128.137]] 09:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)		Does antisocial behavior really invalidate non-neuro/psychological drug trials? I don't think personality would change the progression and nature of other diseases. --[[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.137\|199.27.128.137]] 09:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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		+	== World Polio Day Comic ==
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		+	At the top of xkcd.com is a link to Bill Gate's blog http://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/XKCD-Marks-the-Spot which currently contains one of Mr. Munroe's strips. Is this an appropriate subject for this wiki? and if so how?--[[Special:Contributions/198.41.235.101\|198.41.235.101]] 20:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)