Talk:1647: Diacritics - Revision history

Omg Oriental Music Group at 06:11, 7 April 2023

2023-04-07T06:11:09Z

Nitpicking: Macron. No, not the French president.

2022-01-25T01:34:48Z

Macron. No, not the French president.

162.158.252.125 at 08:08, 28 May 2016

2016-05-28T08:08:56Z

162.158.91.221: in French "résumé" means "summary"

2016-03-06T22:13:26Z

in French "résumé" means "summary"

108.162.210.213 at 00:45, 26 February 2016

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Kynde at 13:03, 25 February 2016

2016-02-25T13:03:51Z

Elektrizikekswerk at 08:37, 25 February 2016

2016-02-25T08:37:21Z

162.158.90.212 at 08:36, 25 February 2016

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162.158.114.147 at 05:17, 25 February 2016

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162.158.114.147 at 05:12, 25 February 2016

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	Note that in French "résumé" means "summary" and is never used as a replacement for "CV". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221\|162.158.91.221]] 22:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)		Note that in French "résumé" means "summary" and is never used as a replacement for "CV". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221\|162.158.91.221]] 22:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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		+	I amn't sure how to pronounce the band name "Down Left Forte". Couldn't contact them. [[User:Omg Oriental Music Group\|Omg Oriental Music Group]] ([[User talk:Omg Oriental Music Group\|talk]]) 06:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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	I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the macron over the i in "find".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.213\|108.162.210.213]] 00:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)		I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the macron over the i in "find".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.213\|108.162.210.213]] 00:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
		+	:So I added it to the explanation. Interestingly, the transcript did include the macron. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

	Note that in French "résumé" means "summary" and is never used as a replacement for "CV". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221\|162.158.91.221]] 22:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)		Note that in French "résumé" means "summary" and is never used as a replacement for "CV". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221\|162.158.91.221]] 22:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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	:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)		:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
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		+	:It's not ''quite'' true that English only uses diacritics on borrowed words.
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		+	:* English can use a diaeresis (¨) for hiatus when the spelling would otherwise be confusing, much like in French—e.g., in "noöne" or "coöperation". This is nearly obsolete, but the ''New Yorker'' still uses it, as do a few medical and biological journals (the Greek root "-oo-" in particular can be confusing…).
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		+	:* There are a few other completely obsolete rules that English used to have. For example, until around the mid-19th century, an acute accent could be used to mark a non-silent "e" where it would otherwise be confusing—e.g., the Sicilian-English Duchy of Bronte was once often spelled Bronté to distinguish it from the French town of Bronte (pronounced /ˈbrɒnti/ and /bront/, respectively).
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		+	:* Some of these obsolete rules still leave relics in proper names. There are people with the surname Bronté from back when the Duchy was spelled that way, and many American girls around 6-8 years old are named Chloë because the last time that name was popular, English spelling still used the diaeresis for hiatus.
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		+	Some pedants like to spell words with French diacritics that weren't actually borrowed from French, like "canoë" (which was actually borrowed into French from English, not vice-versa), or, most famously, 'naïve" (which was borrowed from French back before French had the hiatus rule).
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		+	But "forté" is even worse than "canoë"—at least "canoë" is the correct French spelling; "forté" is not the correct Italian spelling. The fact that it ''was'' correct English spelling centuries years ago isn't relevant (especially since English was almost never used on sheet music until pretty recently). When you see it on English sheet music in 2016, it's not because the ancient usage has been revived, but because someone mistakenly thought the Italian has a diacritic. Music tutorials often go out of their way to remind people that there is no such word as "forté" in either English or Italian, but people still keep making the mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.252.125\|162.158.252.125]] 08:08, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

	Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)		Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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	I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the macron over the i in "find".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.213\|108.162.210.213]] 00:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)		I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the macron over the i in "find".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.213\|108.162.210.213]] 00:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Note that in French "résumé" means "summary" and is never used as a replacement for "CV". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.221\|162.158.91.221]] 22:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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	Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)		Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
	:141.101.104.27 fixed this already. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)		:141.101.104.27 fixed this already. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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		+	I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the macron over the i in "find".[[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.213\|108.162.210.213]] 00:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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	Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)		Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
		+	:141.101.104.27 fixed this already. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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 Not quite sure if and how to inlcude the fact, that the German writing of résumé is Resümee. So the ü used by Cueball/Randall ist not that far off. However in German the word is not used for a CV (or similar), but for conclusions / abstracts. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 10:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 :I have included it. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-:: Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.212|162.158.90.212]] 08:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
+:: Thanks! [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 08:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 :There is a newsgroup reading software called Forté Agent, which was popular in the past. It uses the same silly spelling as the title text. Might Randall be referring to it? http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php {{unsigned|Lou Crazy}}

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	:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)		:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

−	Just a note: ~~The~~ fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)	+	Just a note: In the transcript, the fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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	:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)		:The explanation used to have a bit about how English speakers confuse the French-derived word "''forte''", pronounced /fort/, and the Italian-derived musical term "''forte''", pronounced /fortay/, and come up with a neither-fish-nor-fowl spelling of ''forté'', which is of course incorrect in all three languages. Note that you emphatically '''don't''' write "forté" on sheet music, or anywhere else for that matter, unless you're misspelling it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.53\|173.245.54.53]] 22:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Just a note: The fancy ȩ̊́́́́̆ has one acute accent too much ;) (4 instead of 3)... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.147\|162.158.114.147]] 05:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)