Talk:1806: Borrow Your Laptop - Revision history

ColorfulGalaxy: Japanese

2022-12-15T07:52:41Z

Japanese

Fabian42 at 12:27, 17 October 2019

2019-10-17T12:27:35Z

Fabian42: Intellij plugin for time scrolling

2019-10-17T12:24:47Z

Intellij plugin for time scrolling

172.68.46.53 at 15:13, 30 October 2018

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172.69.33.11 at 15:08, 30 October 2018

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Fabian42 at 01:21, 17 December 2017

2017-12-17T01:21:57Z

NiceGuy1 at 04:29, 13 June 2017

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198.41.238.16 at 12:06, 19 May 2017

2017-05-19T12:06:01Z

198.41.238.16 at 12:04, 19 May 2017

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Dgbrt at 15:52, 15 March 2017

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	:Or this Intellij Idea plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/9534-undo-scroll/ [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 12:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)		:Or this Intellij Idea plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/9534-undo-scroll/ [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 12:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
	::I just noticed that I replied to myself. :D So, update on that Autohotkey thing… No, I did not try it one day. And I probably won't, scrolling is probably a bad way of undoing and redoing. Even holding Ctrl+Z often skips over what I want. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 12:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)		::I just noticed that I replied to myself. :D So, update on that Autohotkey thing… No, I did not try it one day. And I probably won't, scrolling is probably a bad way of undoing and redoing. Even holding Ctrl+Z often skips over what I want. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 12:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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		+	As for the "space is caps lock", it's very similar to this [http://google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fbranah.com%2Fjapanese&FORM=BESBTB&sp=-1&pq=http%3A%2F%2Fbranah.com%2Fjapanese&sc=0-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=91F196FC7C9344AB89177AAC2E776828&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=&rdr=1&rdrig=DE7E43EFC41F498B8572B441C36ED05B&ensearch=1 Japanese keyboard]. Does the author actually know any Japanese? --[[User:ColorfulGalaxy\|ColorfulGalaxy]] ([[User talk:ColorfulGalaxy\|talk]]) 07:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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 :::::Nice find. And even when those people talking at your links also say it's new to them I've to agree on your conclusion. It's rare and you need knowledge about widely unknown command line tools (no GUI), but in general it should work (except for buggy versions).--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 ::::::Hi [[User:Orange|Orange]], please check the trivia. And, I can't check right now, the Windows Registry should also be capable for this. But it's always a little bit hacking...--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:52, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 ;Further discussion on other subjects goes here below
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 May by relevant: One can use Space to mean Shift when pressed with other keys: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modifier_key#Dual-role_keys Dual-role keys]. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.130.28|162.158.130.28]] 00:31, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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	If anyone wants to try the time scroll feature, start [https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=27109 here]. I might try this one day. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 01:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)		If anyone wants to try the time scroll feature, start [https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=27109 here]. I might try this one day. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 01:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
		+	:Or this Intellij Idea plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/9534-undo-scroll/ [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 12:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

	;Further discussion on other subjects goes here below		;Further discussion on other subjects goes here below

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 :::::::Calm down. You are seeing things that are not there.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 ::::::::It sure doesn't fell that way for me personally.  --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
-:::::::::Thank you Kynde for saying what we've all been thinking. "I recognize this as a first hint of learning" was a condescending comment which added no value, only to stroke Dgbrt's own ego. And as soon as he gets criticism, he defensively crawls behind a "calm down" statement and accuses you of making things up. I'm glad someone stepped up and called him out on it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.11|172.69.33.11]] 15:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::::Thank you Kynde for saying what we've all been thinking. "I recognize this as a first hint of learning" was a condescending comment which added no value, only to stroke Dgbrt's own ego. And as soon as he gets criticism, he defensively crawls behind a "calm down" statement and accuses you of making things up. I'm glad someone stepped up and called him out on it. I think he feels that because he spends so much time on this site, that he feels his opinions are special and "above" others. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.11|172.69.33.11]] 15:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::::To address the comic, yes, when the caption is an "I" statement, then Cueball is a personification of the Randall's I statement. When the caption is not an I statement, then Cueball is not a personification of Randall. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.46.53|172.68.46.53]] 15:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 ;Keyboard layout
 Re: Information text "Everything is senseless -- who changes the keyboard layout without changing the keyboard itself? Typing blindly is just a guess but not shown in the comic."

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 :::::::Calm down. You are seeing things that are not there.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 ::::::::It sure doesn't fell that way for me personally.  --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
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 WOW lots of nastiness from Dgbrt here! A lot of which I disagree with EXCEPT verbosity. A lot of comics get overly verbose explanations - my current favourite example is 1800, about chess notation, where about 80% of the explanation should be purely deleted - and as such the focus should remain on helping people understand the comic. HOWEVER, a certain amount of leeway is required to assist such understanding, such as here with Dvorak. While it is not explicitly stated that Cueball's layout is currently set to Dvorak, past references make it likely, and I would think that Dvorak is the second-most used layout in the U.S. (and as has been stated, I think by Dgbrt, this comic IS American, set in America. My general approach towards cultural differences is "When in doubt, it's American"). So it would be inappropriate to say "Cueball's computer is set to Dvorak", but it would be appropriate and advisable to say "Cueball's computer is set to another layout, most likely Dvorak".
-As for the concept that pressing Shift can't do anything, try pressing Shift 8 times in a row (within about 5 seconds) on a standard installation of Windows 7 (not sure if they changed this in Windows 8 or 10). I've accidentally done this on occasion - pressing Shift then releasing it in indecision about if I want to start with a capital letter - it's the "Shortcut" to trigger an accessibility option about the shift key, I think for pressing it to toggle it on until the next key press, like on an iPad virtual keyboard. I trigger it often enough that I try to remember to do it on purpose just to turn off the shortcut. Ctrl has something similar, and one of them has something pop up when you hold it down too long (THAT might be the Shift key, it might be Ctrl that's quick presses). - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76|162.158.126.76]] 05:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
+As for the concept that pressing Shift can't do anything, try pressing Shift 8 times in a row (within about 5 seconds) on a standard installation of Windows 7 (not sure if they changed this in Windows 8 or 10). I've accidentally done this on occasion - pressing Shift then releasing it in indecision about if I want to start with a capital letter - it's the "Shortcut" to trigger an accessibility option about the shift key, I think for pressing it to toggle it on until the next key press, like on an iPad virtual keyboard. I trigger it often enough that I try to remember to do it on purpose just to turn off the shortcut. Ctrl has something similar, and one of them has something pop up when you hold it down too long (THAT might be the Shift key, it might be Ctrl that's quick presses). - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76|162.158.126.76]] 05:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC) I finally signed up! This comment is mine. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 ::I'm not nasty, I've just carried on discussions started by others here. But talking against that overwhelming explanations and transcript is a little bit like running against windmills. Nevertheless we recently came to some conclusions:
 ::*The transcripts should be shortened to the content important for the jokes.
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 :::However, generally Cueball IS Randall, or rather an imaginary alter ego. Someone Randall uses to play out his thoughts. I'm sure Randall DOES indeed have some non-standard settings (like his keyboard probably IS set to Dvorak, which would be inconvenient to anyone using his laptop), and this thought occurred to him, so he imagined other more obnoxious things to do to a laptop - even ones which aren't possible - then he wrote this comic to play out what he was imagining.<br>
 :::While Dvorak is not mentioned, it is likely, as I said. Which would call for at least a mention, such as "likely Dvorak", and in a more important place than trivia. Perhaps even a quick explanation, "likely Dvorak, a layout some computer-savvy people use on the theory that it allows for faster typing". ANY further than that would indeed be better suited to the trivia section.<br>
-:::And I SWEAR I've had something which treated the shift keys different, probably some game, probably some DOS game. And I swear I've seen something use both shift keys together like this. - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.82|108.162.219.82]] 06:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
+:::And I SWEAR I've had something which treated the shift keys different, probably some game, probably some DOS game. And I swear I've seen something use both shift keys together like this. - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.82|108.162.219.82]] 06:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC) So's this! [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 ::::As someone born AND raised AND in Quebec, it's safe to say Cueball isn't using a French Canadian keyboard. :) On a French Canadian keyboard, it's still QWERTY, all the letters and numbers are the same, this layout only messes with the symbols. Such a warning would be overkill, leaving the keyboard as Cueball has it would only be a minor irritation. And as the comic has a clear American bent, other languages are simply less likely.<br>
-::::And, to not start another comment block, my other thoughts are as such: relegating things to the Trivia section should be reserved for less relevant items. Dvorak - despite not being explicitly stated - is far too relevant here. Sure, no lengthy explanation should be included, but a mere mention would be appropriate and called for. As Kynde states, I'm sure many people stop reading at the transcript (such as myself... I don't need the transcript, so I don't read it. I usually only find the Trivia section by wanting to check the Comment section). Also, referencing related comics seem like they do indeed belong in the main Description. Again, people might not reach the Trivia section, and if the connection is clear enough, it's quite relevant and great to include. I'll often click / tap such links to remind myself of the other comic and see how they're related. - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.82|108.162.219.82]] 07:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
+::::And, to not start another comment block, my other thoughts are as such: relegating things to the Trivia section should be reserved for less relevant items. Dvorak - despite not being explicitly stated - is far too relevant here. Sure, no lengthy explanation should be included, but a mere mention would be appropriate and called for. As Kynde states, I'm sure many people stop reading at the transcript (such as myself... I don't need the transcript, so I don't read it. I usually only find the Trivia section by wanting to check the Comment section). Also, referencing related comics seem like they do indeed belong in the main Description. Again, people might not reach the Trivia section, and if the connection is clear enough, it's quite relevant and great to include. I'll often click / tap such links to remind myself of the other comic and see how they're related. - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.82|108.162.219.82]] 07:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC) My comment too! And I think Dgbrt deleted his comment that I was replying to here. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 :::::Again agree with NiceGuy1. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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 :::::Thanks [[User:Jaalenja|Jaalenja]], I'm sure we both are not the only one who thinks this is horribly verbose. I will move some parts into a trivia section. BTW: Many other explanations are the same.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 ::::::Or at least two... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
-:Fun fact (or cool story bro, take your pick): one of my coworkers tried to pull a prank on another by swapping the keycaps on their keyboard (such that one row read UMADBRO).  But then the prankee just calmly continued to use that keyboard (without swapping the keycaps or changing the layout to match) for over a year.  Did make it a little harder for non-touch-typists to use his machine though. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.16|198.41.238.16]] 12:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
+:Fun fact (or cool story bro, take your pick): one of my coworkers tried to pull a prank on another by swapping the keycaps on their keyboard (such that one row read UMADBRO).  But then the prankee just calmly continued to use that keyboard (without swapping the keycaps or changing the layout to match) for over a year.  Did make it a little harder for non-touch-typists to use his machine though. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.16|198.41.238.16]] 12:06, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 :Just a thank you