Talk:1822: Existential Bug Reports - Revision history

NiceGuy1 at 05:42, 13 June 2017

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OldCorps at 16:23, 26 April 2017

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Hkmaly: /* Spacefaring civs can manage this */

2017-04-13T02:18:51Z

‎Spacefaring civs can manage this

162.158.126.76 at 06:17, 12 April 2017

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108.162.246.233: /* Spacefaring civs can manage this */

2017-04-11T22:13:24Z

‎Spacefaring civs can manage this

108.162.246.233: /* Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting */

2017-04-11T22:11:08Z

‎Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting

108.162.246.233 at 21:52, 11 April 2017

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162.158.150.4: enlarge Earth's orbit

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enlarge Earth's orbit

162.158.6.88 at 08:10, 11 April 2017

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172.68.215.102: Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting

2017-04-11T07:49:45Z

Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting

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 :The last panel of [[220: Philosophy]] is even used on {{w|xkcd|Wikipedia's xkcd article}} ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
-"5 billion years is also far in excess of the lifespan of humans[citation needed]", I swear, this site gets the funniest "citation needed"s.... I feel like somebody has the job of finding the most ridiculous things to require a citation for. This might beat my previous favourite, where the description declared that a baby couldn't plan or execute a heist, LOL! - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76|162.158.126.76]] 06:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
+"5 billion years is also far in excess of the lifespan of humans[citation needed]", I swear, this site gets the funniest "citation needed"s.... I feel like somebody has the job of finding the most ridiculous things to require a citation for. This might beat my previous favourite, where the description declared that a baby couldn't plan or execute a heist, LOL! - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76|162.158.126.76]] 06:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC) I finally signed up! This comment is mine. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 :I don't know, babies seem to be able to make just about anything disappear the moment the parents look away. If you get enough babies with inattentive parents together you might just be able to pull an Ocean's Eleven. [[User:OldCorps|OldCorps]] ([[User talk:OldCorps|talk]]) 16:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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	"5 billion years is also far in excess of the lifespan of humans[citation needed]", I swear, this site gets the funniest "citation needed"s.... I feel like somebody has the job of finding the most ridiculous things to require a citation for. This might beat my previous favourite, where the description declared that a baby couldn't plan or execute a heist, LOL! - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76\|162.158.126.76]] 06:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)		"5 billion years is also far in excess of the lifespan of humans[citation needed]", I swear, this site gets the funniest "citation needed"s.... I feel like somebody has the job of finding the most ridiculous things to require a citation for. This might beat my previous favourite, where the description declared that a baby couldn't plan or execute a heist, LOL! - NiceGuy1 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.76\|162.158.126.76]] 06:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
		+	:I don't know, babies seem to be able to make just about anything disappear the moment the parents look away. If you get enough babies with inattentive parents together you might just be able to pull an Ocean's Eleven. [[User:OldCorps\|OldCorps]] ([[User talk:OldCorps\|talk]]) 16:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

	== Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==		== Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==

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	Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion (or a couple hundred) years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.		Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion (or a couple hundred) years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.
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		+	:While our technology develops, some things remains constant. Earth being consumed by the Sun would certainly be important topic for future equivalent of either EPA or Museum Association. They would need to hurry, as Sun is not going to wait for arbitrary notice periods those offices would establish. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 02:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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 It's okay, I have a super soaker. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>
 :The last panel of [[220: Philosophy]] is even used on {{w|xkcd|Wikipedia's xkcd article}} ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 == Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==

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 Starlifting can be used to prolong the life of the sun to trillions of years.
-Further still, if humanity is still around, the a Earth probably won't be consumed by the sun, because it will already have been consumed by our descendents or our robotic creations.
+Further still, if humanity is still around, Earth probably won't be consumed by the sun, because it will already have been consumed by our descendents or our robotic creations.
 Furthermore, by the time we're worried about this, planets won't be places to live any more than rock quarries are. Nobody today says "I'm gonna go housify this cave." Space colonies will at some point be strongly preferable to planetary cities. Constant free solar energy is a big advantage, as is the lack of fixed geography. Don't like your current asteroid? Move your colony for pennies on the dollar to another one. Your neighbors are crazy? Move to their orbital antipode.
 Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion (or a couple hundred) years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.

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 Reading the title text, I couldn't help myself from thinking "Workaround: stop waiting". This is reference to Ivan Kmínek's story "Živý jste byl lepší, pane" (You were better alive, sir) which revolves around the central theme of a computer ready to initiate nuclear inferno and just waiting for the order to do so. It has some basic AI and develops it further while talking with its - or his - operator. Being childishly curious and unaware of all the consequences, one day he just decides himself, without the order being issued, to stop waiting ... Sorry for the spoiler, however I doubt anyone outside Czechoslovakia would have any opportunity to read this short story (and not many Czechs know Kmínek anyways), which is a pity, because the way it is written I consider it a masterpiece that would perfectly fit, and shine in the better half or third, between some Ray Bradbury's collected stories (while everyone knows Bradbury, right?) --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.215.102|172.68.215.102]] 07:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 I will point out that for a spacefaring civ with a population in the quadrillions, the Earth being consumed by the sun is both preventable, not going to happen, and not an issue.
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 Further still, if humanity is still around, the a Earth probably won't be consumed by the sun, because it will already have been consumed by our descendents or our robotic creations.
-Furthermore, by the time we're worried about this, planets won't be places to live any more than rock quarries are. Nobody today says "I'm gonna go housify this cave." Space colonies will at some point be strongly preferable to planetary cities. Constant free solar energy is a big advantage, as is the lack of fixed geography. Don't like your current asteroid? More your colony for pennies on the dollar to another one. Your neighbors are crazy? To to their orbital antipode.
+Furthermore, by the time we're worried about this, planets won't be places to live any more than rock quarries are. Nobody today says "I'm gonna go housify this cave." Space colonies will at some point be strongly preferable to planetary cities. Constant free solar energy is a big advantage, as is the lack of fixed geography. Don't like your current asteroid? Move your colony for pennies on the dollar to another one. Your neighbors are crazy? Move to their orbital antipode.
-Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.
+Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion (or a couple hundred) years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.

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	== Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==		== Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==
	Reading the title text, I couldn't help myself from thinking "Workaround: stop waiting". This is reference to Ivan Kmínek's story "Živý jste byl lepší, pane" (You were better alive, sir) which revolves around the central theme of a computer ready to initiate nuclear inferno and just waiting for the order to do so. It has some basic AI and develops it further while talking with its - or his - operator. Being childishly curious and unaware of all the consequences, one day he just decides himself, without the order being issued, to stop waiting ... Sorry for the spoiler, however I doubt anyone outside Czechoslovakia would have any opportunity to read this short story (and not many Czechs know Kmínek anyways), which is a pity, because the way it is written I consider it a masterpiece that would perfectly fit, and shine in the better half or third, between some Ray Bradbury's collected stories (while everyone knows Bradbury, right?) --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.215.102\|172.68.215.102]] 07:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)		Reading the title text, I couldn't help myself from thinking "Workaround: stop waiting". This is reference to Ivan Kmínek's story "Živý jste byl lepší, pane" (You were better alive, sir) which revolves around the central theme of a computer ready to initiate nuclear inferno and just waiting for the order to do so. It has some basic AI and develops it further while talking with its - or his - operator. Being childishly curious and unaware of all the consequences, one day he just decides himself, without the order being issued, to stop waiting ... Sorry for the spoiler, however I doubt anyone outside Czechoslovakia would have any opportunity to read this short story (and not many Czechs know Kmínek anyways), which is a pity, because the way it is written I consider it a masterpiece that would perfectly fit, and shine in the better half or third, between some Ray Bradbury's collected stories (while everyone knows Bradbury, right?) --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.215.102\|172.68.215.102]] 07:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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		+	I will point out that for a spacefaring civ with a population in the quadrillions, the Earth being consumed by the sun is both preventable, not going to happen, and not an issue.
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		+	Starlifting can be used to prolong the life of the sun to trillions of years.
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		+	Further still, if humanity is still around, the a Earth probably won't be consumed by the sun, because it will already have been consumed by our descendents or our robotic creations.
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		+	Furthermore, by the time we're worried about this, planets won't be places to live any more than rock quarries are. Nobody today says "I'm gonna go housify this cave." Space colonies will at some point be strongly preferable to planetary cities. Constant free solar energy is a big advantage, as is the lack of fixed geography. Don't like your current asteroid? More your colony for pennies on the dollar to another one. Your neighbors are crazy? To to their orbital antipode.
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		+	Living on planets is for people who can't efficiently mine or farm or manufacture in space. In a billion or 5 billion years, this won't be us. Either we will be long since dead, or long since expanded into a spaceborne civilization. Us today worrying about stars dying is like the sugar ants in your kitchen worrying about you dying and running out of food.

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 There are workarounds for Earth being devoured by the sun. [https://qntm.org/moving Here's a few]. Five and seven seem somewhat plausible. Also, we could leave the planet. A worse problem is the heat death of the universe. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] ([[User talk:DanielLC|talk]]) 19:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 :Put the link in the explanation, thanks. The time scale for the {{w|Heat death of the universe|heath death}} is so much longer than the lifetime of the sun, even as a White dwarf, that the suns entire lifetime compared to the time scale of the heath death is twice as small as the suns lifetime compared to the timescale of the {{w|Inflation (cosmology)|inflation period }} of the universe... So lets start by worrying about the oceans leaving in 1.1 billion years as the Sun gets too hot... ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 It's okay, I have a super soaker. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>

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 It may (or may not) be worthy of note that this mirrors 2016 Libertarian  candidate Gary Johnson's workaround for global warming.  When asked about it he said, "Should we take the long-term view when it comes to global warming? I think that we should. And the long-term view is that in billions of years, the sun is going to actually grow and encompass the Earth, right."
 --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.69.243|162.158.69.243]] 17:22, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 There are workarounds for Earth being devoured by the sun. [https://qntm.org/moving Here's a few]. Five and seven seem somewhat plausible. Also, we could leave the planet. A worse problem is the heat death of the universe. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] ([[User talk:DanielLC|talk]]) 19:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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	It's okay, I have a super soaker. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>		It's okay, I have a super soaker. <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>
	:The last panel of [[220: Philosophy]] is even used on {{w\|xkcd\|Wikipedia's xkcd article}} ;-) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 20:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)		:The last panel of [[220: Philosophy]] is even used on {{w\|xkcd\|Wikipedia's xkcd article}} ;-) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 20:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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		+	== Alternative workaround for the Sun issue: stop waiting ==
		+	Reading the title text, I couldn't help myself from thinking "Workaround: stop waiting". This is reference to Ivan Kmínek's story "Živý jste byl lepší, pane" (You were better alive, sir) which revolves around the central theme of a computer ready to initiate nuclear inferno and just waiting for the order to do so. It has some basic AI and develops it further while talking with its - or his - operator. Being childishly curious and unaware of all the consequences, one day he just decides himself, without the order being issued, to stop waiting ... Sorry for the spoiler, however I doubt anyone outside Czechoslovakia would have any opportunity to read this short story (and not many Czechs know Kmínek anyways), which is a pity, because the way it is written I consider it a masterpiece that would perfectly fit, and shine in the better half or third, between some Ray Bradbury's collected stories (while everyone knows Bradbury, right?) --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.215.102\|172.68.215.102]] 07:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)