Talk:1875: Computers vs Humans - Revision history

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45.52.20.3 at 16:11, 12 August 2025

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Noaqiyeum at 11:59, 20 May 2022

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Comet at 07:52, 18 August 2017

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Comet: Added separation between my addition and preceding comment.

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Comet: Most computers do not care.

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Most computers do not care.

162.158.69.249: part of the explanation asumes an irony that does not exist

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part of the explanation asumes an irony that does not exist

Hkmaly at 00:47, 17 August 2017

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These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For at 02:51, 14 August 2017

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Kynde at 13:00, 13 August 2017

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	there is a computer someone made that taught itself to play chess by playnig against itself. it beat the previous computer champion easily and it had only learned for 4 hours!		there is a computer someone made that taught itself to play chess by playnig against itself. it beat the previous computer champion easily and it had only learned for 4 hours!
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	- "The Gulf Between", by Tom Godwin		- "The Gulf Between", by Tom Godwin
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		+	A MACHINE DOES NOT CARE.
		+	- "The Gulf Between", by Tom Godwin
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−	~~I disagree with the explanation.~~ On the contrary, I would say making a computer system "care" is harder than making it not care. My computer system does "not care" about ANYTHING, and has never cared, even before I turned it on. When I write any program, the system will blithely execute it, whether it's to perform an infinite loop or divide by zero or do a machine-learning task. The machine acts in as deterministic and uncaring fashion as a water pistol or rock. I throw a rock, and it skips over the surface of a lake, and then sinks.	+	On the contrary, I would say making a computer system "care" is harder than making it not care. My computer system does "not care" about ANYTHING, and has never cared, even before I turned it on. When I write any program, the system will blithely execute it, whether it's to perform an infinite loop or divide by zero or do a machine-learning task. The machine acts in as deterministic and uncaring fashion as a water pistol or rock. I throw a rock, and it skips over the surface of a lake, and then sinks.
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		+	I will agree that programmers generally care about the output of their program's response to input data (e.g. giving winning moves in Go), but whether the computer succeeds or not, it does not care. The goal is not one adopted by the computer--the goal is given to the programmers who generate computer code to attempt to achieve that goal. The computer follows the algorithm and all the results follow from this and the input data.
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 Making a computer "not care" for something is impossible, first you need to program the code for the thing and then program the code for the computer to disregard that thing. The computer must care for the thing before trying no to care about it.
 I disagree with the explanation.  On the contrary, I would say making a computer system "care" is harder than making it not care.  My computer system does "not care" about ANYTHING, and has never cared, even before I turned it on.  When I write any program, the system will blithely execute it, whether it's to perform an infinite loop or divide by zero or do a machine-learning task.  The machine acts in as deterministic and uncaring fashion as a water pistol or rock.  I throw a rock, and it skips over the surface of a lake, and then sinks.
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	Making a computer "not care" for something is impossible, first you need to program the code for the thing and then program the code for the computer to disregard that thing. The computer must care for the thing before trying no to care about it.		Making a computer "not care" for something is impossible, first you need to program the code for the thing and then program the code for the computer to disregard that thing. The computer must care for the thing before trying no to care about it.
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		+	I disagree with the explanation. On the contrary, I would say making a computer system "care" is harder than making it not care. My computer system does "not care" about ANYTHING, and has never cared, even before I turned it on. When I write any program, the system will blithely execute it, whether it's to perform an infinite loop or divide by zero or do a machine-learning task. The machine acts in as deterministic and uncaring fashion as a water pistol or rock. I throw a rock, and it skips over the surface of a lake, and then sinks.
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	So far, these kind of contests always work like this: human will pick a goal and formulate rules, then groups of humans spend lot of time programming computer specifically for that goal and then the computer competes against some human. I'm waiting for contest where the human picking a goal would explain the rules to computer the same way he did to human, and no humans would be helping the computer to understand. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 00:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)		So far, these kind of contests always work like this: human will pick a goal and formulate rules, then groups of humans spend lot of time programming computer specifically for that goal and then the computer competes against some human. I'm waiting for contest where the human picking a goal would explain the rules to computer the same way he did to human, and no humans would be helping the computer to understand. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 00:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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		+	Making a computer "not care" for something is impossible, first you need to program the code for the thing and then program the code for the computer to disregard that thing. The computer must care for the thing before trying no to care about it.

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	Wake me up when computers can beat humans in Football (soccer), Football (gridiron), Basketball, Baseball, etc. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 02:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)		Wake me up when computers can beat humans in Football (soccer), Football (gridiron), Basketball, Baseball, etc. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 02:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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		+	So far, these kind of contests always work like this: human will pick a goal and formulate rules, then groups of humans spend lot of time programming computer specifically for that goal and then the computer competes against some human. I'm waiting for contest where the human picking a goal would explain the rules to computer the same way he did to human, and no humans would be helping the computer to understand. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 00:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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	I think the bot's version of the <code><nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki></code> template param was better… <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>		I think the bot's version of the <code><nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki></code> template param was better… <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>
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		+	Wake me up when computers can beat humans in Football (soccer), Football (gridiron), Basketball, Baseball, etc. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 02:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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	Definitely related to https://xkcd.com/1263/ and https://xkcd.com/1002/ to a lesser extent. [[User:MrNinja\|MrNinja]] ([[User talk:MrNinja\|talk]]) 16:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)		Definitely related to https://xkcd.com/1263/ and https://xkcd.com/1002/ to a lesser extent. [[User:MrNinja\|MrNinja]] ([[User talk:MrNinja\|talk]]) 16:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
		+	:Agreed and have added both to the explanation. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

	I think the bot's version of the <code><nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki></code> template param was better… <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>		I think the bot's version of the <code><nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki></code> template param was better… <span style="background:#0064de;font-size:12px;padding:4px 12px;border-radius:8px;">[[User talk:AgentMuffin\|<span style="color:#f0faff;">~AgentMuffin</span>]]</span>