Talk:1897: Self Driving - Revision history

172.71.94.114 at 16:01, 8 November 2023

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172.69.22.168 at 02:07, 6 July 2020

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NiceGuy1 at 04:19, 13 October 2017

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162.158.186.12: I see a tornado

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I see a tornado

Elektrizikekswerk at 07:33, 4 October 2017

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Elektrizikekswerk at 07:32, 4 October 2017

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NealCruco at 02:27, 4 October 2017

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141.101.98.82: added

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141.101.98.82: sp

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141.101.98.82: ahem

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ahem

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	Hold on, explainxkcd uses this sort of thing. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.168\|172.69.22.168]] 02:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)		Hold on, explainxkcd uses this sort of thing. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.168\|172.69.22.168]] 02:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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		+	And now it seems to have become [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/cruise-general-motors-self-driving-cars.html a real thing]. Oops? [[Special:Contributions/172.71.94.114\|172.71.94.114]] 16:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	Those vehicles were supported by a vast operations staff, with 1.5 workers per vehicle. The workers intervened to assist the company’s vehicles every 2.5 to five miles, according to two people familiar with is operations.

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	: I suspect it's supposed to be a tree made blurry by being off to the side and caught by a crappy camera - same quality as a backup camera on a car - but it looks enough like it that I would consider it a possibility. Though I fail to see the point, since it isn't referenced and doesn't really relate to the rest of the comic. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)		: I suspect it's supposed to be a tree made blurry by being off to the side and caught by a crappy camera - same quality as a backup camera on a car - but it looks enough like it that I would consider it a possibility. Though I fail to see the point, since it isn't referenced and doesn't really relate to the rest of the comic. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
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		+	Hold on, explainxkcd uses this sort of thing. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.168\|172.69.22.168]] 02:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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 It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic.  Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign.  Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information.  But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so.  Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation.  But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ.  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat
 This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Recapcha-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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 I think this is more a reference to various projects (like the ReCAPTCHA that protects this site) that use CAPTCHAs to digitise text and so on, by involuntarily crowdsourcing the typing out of the text by users trying to complete a login, rather than specifically about bots trying to circumvent anti-bot protection. It also brings to mind things like the Zooniverse projects, where volunteers contribute to the classification of astronomical bodies, identification of animals in game reserves, and so on, in that a computer is able to make a rough guess as to what the image is, but it takes a human intervention to make a reliable (and therefore useful) identification. Similarly, Google's (now discontinued) Picasa software had a 'People' function where it would attempt to guess who the people in your photos were - yet it would make so many false identifications, and make you go through saying 'Yes/No' to each of them, that it often felt as though you might just as well have classified them all yourself in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.32|162.158.155.32]] 10:33, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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 This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Recapcha-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 :I added a paragraph based on that comment to the explanation. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82|141.101.98.82]] 18:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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 :Twitch-driven car would crash in SECONDS. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 ::We need Twitch Plays Mario Kart. Right now. [[User:NealCruco|NealCruco]] ([[User talk:NealCruco|talk]]) 02:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
-:::Twitch plays GTA? [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 07:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
+:::Twitch plays GTA? (I'm talking about the original one from 1997. But the 3D versions could be... interesting, too.) [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 07:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic.  Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign.  Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information.  But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so.  Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation.  But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ.  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat

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	This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Recapcha-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)		This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Recapcha-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
		+	:I added a paragraph based on that comment to the explanation. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 18:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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	It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic. Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign. Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information. But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so. Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation. But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23\|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat		It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic. Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign. Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information. But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so. Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation. But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23\|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat

−	This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use ~~Re-captia~~-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)	+	This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Recapcha-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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	It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic. Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign. Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information. But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so. Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation. But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23\|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat		It seems to me the person viewing the image and registering some product is not an occupent of the "self driving" car being referred to in the comic. Rather, the self driving car (possibly containing passengers) is dependent on some random stranger on the Internet responding (correctly) to the question about the stop sign. Maybe this is obvious but when I first glanced at the comic, my interpretation was the occupants of the vehicle were being asked for the information. But after thinking about it a bit, I believe that any passengers in the car are blissfully unaware of their situation, likely assuming the car doesn't depend on input from someone in the next 5 seconds or so. Not really sure how to word all this in the explanation. But it seems like a business model Black Hat would employ. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.23\|172.68.58.23]] 19:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Pat
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		+	This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment whereas actual self-driving cars, to the extent that they can use Re-captia-like human detection systems, would produce an asynchronous decision system. Other synchronous decision systems which actually exist are political voting and money as a token of the exchange value of trade. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.82\|141.101.98.82]] 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)