Talk:1944: The End of the Rainbow - Revision history

172.70.86.44 at 10:16, 27 June 2022

2022-06-27T10:16:34Z

162.158.158.7: Response to 198.41.238.70's comment about the inside out cone

2020-11-11T23:11:01Z

Response to 198.41.238.70's comment about the inside out cone

Herobrine: Deleted comment I left when sleep deprived

2018-05-09T01:01:25Z

Deleted comment I left when sleep deprived

162.158.155.26 at 08:55, 15 February 2018

2018-02-15T08:55:12Z

108.162.246.131 at 23:04, 14 February 2018

2018-02-14T23:04:16Z

162.158.155.26 at 15:10, 13 February 2018

2018-02-13T15:10:57Z

198.41.238.70: /* "Inside out"? */ new section

2018-02-13T07:50:29Z

‎"Inside out"?: new section

Herobrine at 15:13, 10 February 2018

2018-02-10T15:13:52Z

162.158.2.58 at 03:41, 31 January 2018

2018-01-31T03:41:13Z

ProphetZarquon: Nepalese space exploration flag issues

2018-01-24T19:03:18Z

Nepalese space exploration flag issues

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	: The "inside out" cone is a reference to the second cone, between the circular reflection of the light and the point it is received in the eye. This cone is "inside out" because the surface which is usually on the interior of a hollow cone is on the outside of the completed shape. A hollow cone would typically be closed off by a circle where the rainbow appears, but because the shape is formed by the path of light from the sun, the shape is instead closed by another cone outside of the one in question - because the closing cone encompasses what is usually considered the outside of the cone in question it becomes the inside, and vice versa, making the cone "inside out"		: The "inside out" cone is a reference to the second cone, between the circular reflection of the light and the point it is received in the eye. This cone is "inside out" because the surface which is usually on the interior of a hollow cone is on the outside of the completed shape. A hollow cone would typically be closed off by a circle where the rainbow appears, but because the shape is formed by the path of light from the sun, the shape is instead closed by another cone outside of the one in question - because the closing cone encompasses what is usually considered the outside of the cone in question it becomes the inside, and vice versa, making the cone "inside out"
	:--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.7\|162.158.158.7]] 23:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)		:--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.7\|162.158.158.7]] 23:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
		+	::The problem with that is that if the cone doesn't have an end cap then it doesn't have an inside and an outside, being topologically equivalent to a disc. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.44\|172.70.86.44]] 10:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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	No-one's worked out what an "inside out" cone is then? [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.70\|198.41.238.70]] 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)		No-one's worked out what an "inside out" cone is then? [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.70\|198.41.238.70]] 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
		+	: The "inside out" cone is a reference to the second cone, between the circular reflection of the light and the point it is received in the eye. This cone is "inside out" because the surface which is usually on the interior of a hollow cone is on the outside of the completed shape. A hollow cone would typically be closed off by a circle where the rainbow appears, but because the shape is formed by the path of light from the sun, the shape is instead closed by another cone outside of the one in question - because the closing cone encompasses what is usually considered the outside of the cone in question it becomes the inside, and vice versa, making the cone "inside out"
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 Megan says in panel 3: “One end of that cone is your retina”. Another cool thing about this comic is that the neural cells tiling your retina, transducing photon energy into neurochemical signals and thus beginning the pathway through which visual information is transmitted to the rest of your brain, are your “cone” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell photoreceptors]. So - at the end of all those “inside-out two-ended” optical cones, arising from each point emitter in the sun, are a set of neural cones essential for discerning the rainbow’s poem-inspiring colours. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow Unweave the rainbow], indeed! ☺ - Andrew [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.58|162.158.2.58]] 03:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 ; "Inside out"?
 No-one's worked out what an "inside out" cone is then? [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.70|198.41.238.70]] 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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 Leprechauns live on the night side of the Sun to avoid being incinerated, that's why we can't see them from this side.
 Zetfr 12:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
-:The night side... Of the sun... Is there a cartoon about this? I feel like there needs to be a cartoon about this. Just one observation: On the night side of the sun, there's no moon? Or if there is, what's lighting it up?  ;D  This is even better than the "dark" side of the Moon.
+:The night side... Of the sun... Is there a cartoon about this? I feel like there needs to be a cartoon about this. Just one observation: On the night side of the sun, there's no moon? Or if there is, what's lighting it up?  ;D  This is even better than the "dark" side of the Moon. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 ::Reminds me of this [https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/7awoek/nepal_space_exploration_flag/dpdetpi/ Reddit conversation] [[Special:Contributions/162.158.167.138|162.158.167.138]] 09:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
-:::That ''is'' amusing. On that flag, I'm more concerned with why there's a massive explosion depicted on the moon at the top of the flag: It can't be the sun, because the sun goes behind the moon, not the other way around, therefore that starburst must represent a catastrophic explosion of some kind. It's like a space exploration flag made for people with no understanding of astronomy.
+:::That ''is'' amusing. On that flag, I'm more concerned with why there's a massive explosion depicted on the moon at the top of the flag: It can't be the sun, because the sun goes behind the moon, not the other way around, therefore that starburst must represent a catastrophic explosion of some kind. It's like a space exploration flag made for people with no understanding of astronomy. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 "far more than a [...] leprechaun's pot of gold" - I'm pretty sure a leprechaun's pot of gold is self-refilling, and therefore infinite.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.111.204|162.158.111.204]] 13:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
-:Oh no, the pot is just a container they had handy; The pot of gold is the measure of their ransom. ... No idea why I feel so sure of that. I don't think I want to re-read all the lore I studied as a kid to find the source...
+:Oh no, the pot is just a container they had handy; The pot of gold is the measure of their ransom. ... No idea why I feel so sure of that. I don't think I want to re-read all the lore I studied as a kid to find the source... [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 did anyone else notice that the cone from the clouds to your eye isn't actually a cone, since it's slightly truncated at the point, otherwise we'd see an ideal point (i.e. not see it.) just me, then. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.170|162.158.88.170]] 13:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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 I think the logic of the title text is: gold is at the other end of the rainbow is there, because in that moment the person (his/her brain) is thinking about the gold. To put in a dumber way: when you think about gold, then gold is in your brain, ergo if your brain is one end of the rainbow, and you're wondering if there's gold at the end of the rainbow, then in a self-fulfilling way, it is. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.238.82|162.158.238.82]] 13:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC) .tnm
-:I don't think the current title-text explanation makes any sense: The title-text portion of the comic doesn't seem to reference leprechauns at all. Was the comic edited after being posted?
+:I don't think the current title-text explanation makes any sense: The title-text portion of the comic doesn't seem to reference leprechauns at all. Was the comic edited after being posted? [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 :I fixed the title text explanation. Also does this comic imply that if someone thinks about carnivorous giant neon zombie tomatoes while looking at a rainbow, then they exist at one end? ;) [[User:PotatoGod|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod|talk]]) 15:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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 I wonder if the light which refracts in the raindrops to create the image of the rainbow actually come from ONE POINT on the surface of the sun, or come from a 'circle' on the surface of the sun with a radius the size of the apparent rainbow. (The sun is, after all, SEVERAL TIMES the size of the earth.) I remember in physics classes we always treated 'rays of sun' to be parallel to each other, but that may have just been due to the angle between them being so very small. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.29|162.158.79.29]] 17:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
-The author giving 0.3ppt of gold has misinterpreted the referenced paper. The values in the paper are NOT ppt! The concentration (mass fraction) is calculated as 197 * 10^(0.32 - 12). The value of 0.32 is from the table in the paper, and the value of 197 is the atomic mass ratio of Au to H. This gives a mass concentration of 0.4ppb (0.4 x 10^-9). I have not changed the explanation of the comic because it would require a complete rewrite. Note that other sources give different values for Au. For example, [[http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~patscott/publications/ApSS_328_179.pdf]] gives a value of 0.92 in the Sun's photosphere, which, if assumed to hold for the entire sun, gives a mass fraction of 1.64ppb!  [[User:Sigma9|Sigma9]] ([[User talk:Sigma9|talk]]) 01:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
+The author giving 0.3ppt of gold has misinterpreted the referenced paper. The values in the paper are NOT ppt! The concentration (mass fraction) is calculated as 197 * 10^(0.32 - 12). The value of 0.32 is from the table in the paper, and the value of 197 is the atomic mass ratio of Au to H. This gives a mass concentration of 0.4ppb (0.4 x 10^-9). I have not changed the explanation of the comic because it would require a complete rewrite. Note that other sources give different values for Au. For example, [[http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~patscott/publications/ApSS_328_179.pdf]] gives a value of 0.92 in the Sun's photosphere, which, if assumed to hold for the entire sun, gives a mass fraction of 1.64ppb! [[User:Sigma9|Sigma9]] ([[User talk:Sigma9|talk]]) 01:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 Megan says in panel 3: “One end of that cone is your retina”. Another cool thing about this comic is that the neural cells tiling your retina, transducing photon energy into neurochemical signals and thus beginning the pathway through which visual information is transmitted to the rest of your brain, are your “cone” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell photoreceptors]. So - at the end of all those “inside-out two-ended” optical cones, arising from each point emitter in the sun, are a set of neural cones essential for discerning the rainbow’s poem-inspiring colours. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow Unweave the rainbow], indeed! ☺ - Andrew [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.58|162.158.2.58]] 03:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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 I feel like we should be calculating the amount of gold using volume, not mass, and then by using density to calculate everything else. However, the temperature inside the sun is way above gold's boiling point, and I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck. Can somebody PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!![[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 15:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
-Re "I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck"  While Gold in its solid phase and liquid phase have a pretty stable density, it is one of the defining properties of a gas that its density is highly dependent on environmental conditions (i.e. pressure and temperature). Since those vary from one part of the sun to another, there is no single answer to your question. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
+Re "I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck"  While Gold in its solid phase and liquid phase have a pretty stable density, it is one of the defining properties of a gas that its density is highly dependent on environmental conditions (i.e. pressure and temperature). Since those vary from one part of the sun to another, there is no single answer to your question. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law {{unsigned|Comment Police}}
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 I feel like we should be calculating the amount of gold using volume, not mass, and then by using density to calculate everything else. However, the temperature inside the sun is way above gold's boiling point, and I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck. Can somebody PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!![[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 15:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 ; "Inside out"?
 No-one's worked out what an "inside out" cone is then? [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.70|198.41.238.70]] 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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	I feel like we should be calculating the amount of gold using volume, not mass, and then by using density to calculate everything else. However, the temperature inside the sun is way above gold's boiling point, and I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck. Can somebody PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!![[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 15:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)		I feel like we should be calculating the amount of gold using volume, not mass, and then by using density to calculate everything else. However, the temperature inside the sun is way above gold's boiling point, and I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck. Can somebody PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!![[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 15:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	No-one's worked out what an "inside out" cone is then? [[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.70\|198.41.238.70]] 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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	Megan says in panel 3: “One end of that cone is your retina”. Another cool thing about this comic is that the neural cells tiling your retina, transducing photon energy into neurochemical signals and thus beginning the pathway through which visual information is transmitted to the rest of your brain, are your “cone” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell photoreceptors]. So - at the end of all those “inside-out two-ended” optical cones, arising from each point emitter in the sun, are a set of neural cones essential for discerning the rainbow’s poem-inspiring colours. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow Unweave the rainbow], indeed! ☺ - Andrew [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.58\|162.158.2.58]] 03:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)		Megan says in panel 3: “One end of that cone is your retina”. Another cool thing about this comic is that the neural cells tiling your retina, transducing photon energy into neurochemical signals and thus beginning the pathway through which visual information is transmitted to the rest of your brain, are your “cone” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell photoreceptors]. So - at the end of all those “inside-out two-ended” optical cones, arising from each point emitter in the sun, are a set of neural cones essential for discerning the rainbow’s poem-inspiring colours. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow Unweave the rainbow], indeed! ☺ - Andrew [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.58\|162.158.2.58]] 03:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I feel like we should be calculating the amount of gold using volume, not mass, and then by using density to calculate everything else. However, the temperature inside the sun is way above gold's boiling point, and I can't find any data on the density of gold when it's a gas, so I'm stuck. Can somebody PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!![[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 15:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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	The author giving 0.3ppt of gold has misinterpreted the referenced paper. The values in the paper are NOT ppt! The concentration (mass fraction) is calculated as 197 * 10^(0.32 - 12). The value of 0.32 is from the table in the paper, and the value of 197 is the atomic mass ratio of Au to H. This gives a mass concentration of 0.4ppb (0.4 x 10^-9). I have not changed the explanation of the comic because it would require a complete rewrite. Note that other sources give different values for Au. For example, [[http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~patscott/publications/ApSS_328_179.pdf]] gives a value of 0.92 in the Sun's photosphere, which, if assumed to hold for the entire sun, gives a mass fraction of 1.64ppb! [[User:Sigma9\|Sigma9]] ([[User talk:Sigma9\|talk]]) 01:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)		The author giving 0.3ppt of gold has misinterpreted the referenced paper. The values in the paper are NOT ppt! The concentration (mass fraction) is calculated as 197 * 10^(0.32 - 12). The value of 0.32 is from the table in the paper, and the value of 197 is the atomic mass ratio of Au to H. This gives a mass concentration of 0.4ppb (0.4 x 10^-9). I have not changed the explanation of the comic because it would require a complete rewrite. Note that other sources give different values for Au. For example, [[http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~patscott/publications/ApSS_328_179.pdf]] gives a value of 0.92 in the Sun's photosphere, which, if assumed to hold for the entire sun, gives a mass fraction of 1.64ppb! [[User:Sigma9\|Sigma9]] ([[User talk:Sigma9\|talk]]) 01:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Megan says in panel 3: “One end of that cone is your retina”. Another cool thing about this comic is that the neural cells tiling your retina, transducing photon energy into neurochemical signals and thus beginning the pathway through which visual information is transmitted to the rest of your brain, are your “cone” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell photoreceptors]. So - at the end of all those “inside-out two-ended” optical cones, arising from each point emitter in the sun, are a set of neural cones essential for discerning the rainbow’s poem-inspiring colours. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow Unweave the rainbow], indeed! ☺ - Andrew [[Special:Contributions/162.158.2.58\|162.158.2.58]] 03:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)