Talk:1954: Impostor Syndrome - Revision history

Explainyourself: :(

2025-08-09T23:09:01Z

172.70.230.73: Does the title text use Dunning Kruger effect accurately?

2023-05-01T11:03:32Z

Does the title text use Dunning Kruger effect accurately?

172.69.35.171 at 16:19, 16 February 2021

2021-02-16T16:19:18Z

These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For at 17:34, 20 February 2018

2018-02-20T17:34:42Z

ProphetZarquon: Typo

2018-02-13T21:39:10Z

Typo

ProphetZarquon: Agree: Alt-text explanation should be revised. General intelligence is not the deciding factor.

2018-02-13T21:38:03Z

Agree: Alt-text explanation should be revised. General intelligence is not the deciding factor.

162.158.75.70 at 14:00, 13 February 2018

2018-02-13T14:00:54Z

Capncanuck at 01:09, 13 February 2018

2018-02-13T01:09:29Z

162.158.79.131 at 20:58, 12 February 2018

2018-02-12T20:58:11Z

162.158.79.131 at 20:56, 12 February 2018

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 When the social psychologist is sus!😳 [[Special:Contributions/172.69.35.171|172.69.35.171]] 16:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
+: :( [[User:Explainyourself|Explainyourself]] ([[User talk:Explainyourself|talk]]) 23:09, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
 Does the title text actually make sense? As far as I understand, highly skilled people still tend to rate themselves fairly high, even if that rating tends to be slightly lower than their actual scores. Given this, it shouldn't be a problem getting highly skilled people to agree to present, as long as you can filter out the masses of random undergrads. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.73|172.70.230.73]] 11:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

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		+	Does the title text actually make sense? As far as I understand, highly skilled people still tend to rate themselves fairly high, even if that rating tends to be slightly lower than their actual scores. Given this, it shouldn't be a problem getting highly skilled people to agree to present, as long as you can filter out the masses of random undergrads. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.73\|172.70.230.73]] 11:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

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	It is refreshing to see that we have a avoided a nasty edit/flame war, considering the current political climate. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 17:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)		It is refreshing to see that we have a avoided a nasty edit/flame war, considering the current political climate. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 17:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	When the social psychologist is sus!😳 [[Special:Contributions/172.69.35.171\|172.69.35.171]] 16:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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	Can I just say this is the biggest "me" comic I've ever seen? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.70\|162.158.75.70]] 14:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)		Can I just say this is the biggest "me" comic I've ever seen? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.70\|162.158.75.70]] 14:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	It is refreshing to see that we have a avoided a nasty edit/flame war, considering the current political climate. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 17:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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 I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect.   Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured.   In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are; it's people who are actually bad drivers.  The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it.   (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
-:That sounds correct to me. I'm no expert, but aren't psychologists generally very careful to speak only in terms of domain-specific "specialized" intelligence? The current explanation of the Title-Text sounds wrong. I think the key phrase above, which should probably be used in the explanation is "unfamiliarity with what good & bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured". Overall lack of meta-cognitive ability is doing ''not'' a prerequisite for overestimating your ability in a specialized field; More often, quite intelligent people may appear to overestimate their understanding of a related, but comparatively unfamiliar field. And as the old adage goes (something like) "the wise man knows he is a fool". [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 21:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
+:That sounds correct to me. I'm no expert, but aren't psychologists generally very careful to speak only in terms of domain-specific "specialized" intelligence? The current explanation of the Title-Text sounds wrong. I think the key phrase above, which should probably be used in the explanation is "unfamiliarity with what good & bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured". Overall lack of meta-cognitive ability is definitely ''not'' a prerequisite for overestimating your ability in a specialized field; More often, quite intelligent people may appear to overestimate their understanding of a related, but comparatively unfamiliar field. And as the old adage goes (something like) "the wise man knows he is a fool". [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 21:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 So who is the world expert of Imposter Syndrome? Pauline R. Clance or Suzanne A. Imes? [[User:Capncanuck|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck|talk]]) 01:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 Can I just say this is the biggest "me" comic I've ever seen? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.70|162.158.75.70]] 14:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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	So who is the world expert of Imposter Syndrome? Pauline R. Clance or Suzanne A. Imes? [[User:Capncanuck\|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck\|talk]]) 01:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)		So who is the world expert of Imposter Syndrome? Pauline R. Clance or Suzanne A. Imes? [[User:Capncanuck\|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck\|talk]]) 01:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
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	I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect. Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured. In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are; it's people who are actually bad drivers. The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it. (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131\|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)		I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect. Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured. In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are; it's people who are actually bad drivers. The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it. (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131\|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	So who is the world expert of Imposter Syndrome? Pauline R. Clance or Suzanne A. Imes? [[User:Capncanuck\|Capncanuck]] ([[User talk:Capncanuck\|talk]]) 01:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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	: I think this assumption would be wrong - or at least very inaccurate. I would assume that most part (if not all) of this community is very able to see that they are no experts on psychology (except, of course, of those who actually are). That said, I'd think Randall isn't, either. However this would not stop neither him from making jokes about the concepts nor "us" from trying to explain it - if only by copying the text from wikipedia and/or building upon the explanation given there. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk\|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk\|talk]]) 15:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)		: I think this assumption would be wrong - or at least very inaccurate. I would assume that most part (if not all) of this community is very able to see that they are no experts on psychology (except, of course, of those who actually are). That said, I'd think Randall isn't, either. However this would not stop neither him from making jokes about the concepts nor "us" from trying to explain it - if only by copying the text from wikipedia and/or building upon the explanation given there. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk\|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk\|talk]]) 15:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

−	I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect. Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance in whatever domain is being measured. In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are it's people who are actually bad drivers. The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it. (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131\|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)	+	I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect. Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance looks like in whatever domain is being measured. In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are; it's people who are actually bad drivers. The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it. (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131\|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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	One could easily assume that virtually everyone who edits this page would be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect; after all, how many experts in psychological diagnosis could there be in this community. (UNLESS they're feeling too insecure about their accomplishments to muster the confidence needed to post their thoughts ...?)[[User:Mr. I\|Mr. I]] ([[User talk:Mr. I\|talk]]) 15:20, 12 February 2018 (UTC)		One could easily assume that virtually everyone who edits this page would be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect; after all, how many experts in psychological diagnosis could there be in this community. (UNLESS they're feeling too insecure about their accomplishments to muster the confidence needed to post their thoughts ...?)[[User:Mr. I\|Mr. I]] ([[User talk:Mr. I\|talk]]) 15:20, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
	: I think this assumption would be wrong - or at least very inaccurate. I would assume that most part (if not all) of this community is very able to see that they are no experts on psychology (except, of course, of those who actually are). That said, I'd think Randall isn't, either. However this would not stop neither him from making jokes about the concepts nor "us" from trying to explain it - if only by copying the text from wikipedia and/or building upon the explanation given there. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk\|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk\|talk]]) 15:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)		: I think this assumption would be wrong - or at least very inaccurate. I would assume that most part (if not all) of this community is very able to see that they are no experts on psychology (except, of course, of those who actually are). That said, I'd think Randall isn't, either. However this would not stop neither him from making jokes about the concepts nor "us" from trying to explain it - if only by copying the text from wikipedia and/or building upon the explanation given there. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk\|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk\|talk]]) 15:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I think the current text misunderstands the role of general intelligence and domain-specific skills in the D-K effect. Nothing I've read suggests that intellectual capacity has much to do with one's ability to accurately estimate performance levels; instead, it seems to be largely based on unfamiliarity with what good and bad performance in whatever domain is being measured. In other words, it's not stupid people who think they're better drivers than they actually are it's people who are actually bad drivers. The D-K effect is EXACTLY that non-experts will claim high-level expertise, while genuine experts will disclaim it. (See figures 1-4 of the original paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.1120&rep=rep1&type=pdf) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.131\|162.158.79.131]] 20:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC)