Talk:1978: Congressional Testimony - Revision history

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Hkmaly at 20:13, 10 April 2018

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Rtanenbaum at 14:11, 10 April 2018

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162.158.255.172 at 14:07, 10 April 2018

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	OK, I've updated the explanation to reflect our general consensus and removed the incomplete tag! This one's done, I think [[User:Berets\|Berets]] ([[User talk:Berets\|talk]]) 03:19, 26 May 2018 (UTC)		OK, I've updated the explanation to reflect our general consensus and removed the incomplete tag! This one's done, I think [[User:Berets\|Berets]] ([[User talk:Berets\|talk]]) 03:19, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

−	: I love that the exclamation point in technologica! hasn't been noticed, and it has been 5 years.	+	: I love that the exclamation point in technologica! hasn't been noticed, and it has been 5 years. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.7.115\|14:19, 8 December 2023}}
		+	:: The word "technological" doesn't even appear outside this comments page, and the only version with a "!" is yours. (And you haven't corrected it, if it was there.) And why are we indented, already? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.174\|172.69.195.174]] 17:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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	::Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)		::Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
	OK, I've updated the explanation to reflect our general consensus and removed the incomplete tag! This one's done, I think [[User:Berets\|Berets]] ([[User talk:Berets\|talk]]) 03:19, 26 May 2018 (UTC)		OK, I've updated the explanation to reflect our general consensus and removed the incomplete tag! This one's done, I think [[User:Berets\|Berets]] ([[User talk:Berets\|talk]]) 03:19, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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		+	: I love that the exclamation point in technologica! hasn't been noticed, and it has been 5 years.

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 I was about to change the bot to Mark Zuckerberg's terminator double, but somebody was faster. Ah well.
 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.106|108.162.219.106]] 15:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
-:[carking] that's actually better than what I put. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
+:Damn that's actually better than what I put. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 Not sure it has anything to do with the comic, but I think the blob near the top of the tree is a squirrel's nest. You can see the squirrel climbing down the trunk in the 2nd panel, there's something on the left branch in the 3rd panel (squirrel or bird?), and I think the squirrel is climbing back into the nest in the final panel (a tail hanging down from the nest?). [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 16:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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 I was about to change the bot to Mark Zuckerberg's terminator double, but somebody was faster. Ah well.
 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.106|108.162.219.106]] 15:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
-:Damn that's actually better than what I put. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
+:[carking] that's actually better than what I put. [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 15:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 Not sure it has anything to do with the comic, but I think the blob near the top of the tree is a squirrel's nest. You can see the squirrel climbing down the trunk in the 2nd panel, there's something on the left branch in the 3rd panel (squirrel or bird?), and I think the squirrel is climbing back into the nest in the final panel (a tail hanging down from the nest?). [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 16:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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 :Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 ::Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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	:Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)		:Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
−	:Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)	+	::Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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	:Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)		:Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
		+	:Which is of course not limited to Facebook. There is saying that if you are not paying for something, you are not customer, you are product ... as if paying would protect you from that. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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	:I agree with you, but with the main point of the comic being that Facebook or a system like it could evolve into a Skynet-like intelligence in the future. I think that's the real concern for him! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)		:I agree with you, but with the main point of the comic being that Facebook or a system like it could evolve into a Skynet-like intelligence in the future. I think that's the real concern for him! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:Yes. A phone book is a tool to look up people and make connections. With technological advances, the phone book turns into Facebook. And Facebook itself is the evil Skynet that has turned around to harm humans. In reality it is the business interests of Facebook's management that is selling data of the users. So don't blame the computers. But the analogy makes a good comic. Make no mistake about it. The users of Facebook are not its customers, the users are the product to be sold to the advertisers and others who pay the bills. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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	Not sure it has anything to do with the comic, but I think the blob near the top of the tree is a squirrel's nest. You can see the squirrel climbing down the trunk in the 2nd panel, there's something on the left branch in the 3rd panel (squirrel or bird?), and I think the squirrel is climbing back into the nest in the final panel (a tail hanging down from the nest?). [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 16:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)		Not sure it has anything to do with the comic, but I think the blob near the top of the tree is a squirrel's nest. You can see the squirrel climbing down the trunk in the 2nd panel, there's something on the left branch in the 3rd panel (squirrel or bird?), and I think the squirrel is climbing back into the nest in the final panel (a tail hanging down from the nest?). [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 16:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
		+	:That had me curious, too. I think you're right about what you described, and it seems to me it's just a bit of artistic flair.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.172\|162.158.255.172]] 14:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

	I'm still confused about "the phone book becomes skynet". Any thoughts? [[User:Cgrimes85\|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85\|talk]]) 17:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)		I'm still confused about "the phone book becomes skynet". Any thoughts? [[User:Cgrimes85\|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85\|talk]]) 17:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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	My initial interpretation, and what I still find most likely, is None of the above. MY interpretation is that Randall (and for him Megan) is likening this Facebook thing to the phonebook, that it's how a Terminator will now find Sarah Conner and start the cycle portrayed in the movies. Seeing as Randall likes to be fatalistic and paranoid. :) Before this, there haven't been phonebooks any more, so we've accidentally protected ourselves from the events of Terminator, but now with the information leak, if a Terminator travelled back to now, he'd once again be able to get contact information. In fact, wasn't it only a few comics ago where Randall put a Terminator timeline, where he said most people are afraid of the moment AI and killer robots turn on us, while the time HE worries about is the time before that, but after computers are able to MAKE killer robots? [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)		My initial interpretation, and what I still find most likely, is None of the above. MY interpretation is that Randall (and for him Megan) is likening this Facebook thing to the phonebook, that it's how a Terminator will now find Sarah Conner and start the cycle portrayed in the movies. Seeing as Randall likes to be fatalistic and paranoid. :) Before this, there haven't been phonebooks any more, so we've accidentally protected ourselves from the events of Terminator, but now with the information leak, if a Terminator travelled back to now, he'd once again be able to get contact information. In fact, wasn't it only a few comics ago where Randall put a Terminator timeline, where he said most people are afraid of the moment AI and killer robots turn on us, while the time HE worries about is the time before that, but after computers are able to MAKE killer robots? [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:I agree with you, but with the main point of the comic being that Facebook or a system like it could evolve into a Skynet-like intelligence in the future. I think that's the real concern for him! [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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 *4. All of the above
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-My initial interpretation, and what I still find most likely, is None of the above. MY interpretation is that Randall (and for him Megan) is likening this Facebook thing to the phonebook, that it's how a Terminator will now find Sarah Conner and start the cycle portrayed in the movies. Seeing as Randall likes to be fatalistic and paranoid. :) Before this, there haven't been phonebooks any more, so we've accidentally protected ourselves from the events of Terminator, but now with the information leak, if a Terminator travelled back to now, he'd once again be able to get contact information. In fact, wasn't it only a few comics ago where Randall put a Terminator timeline, where he said most people are afraid of the moment AI and killer robots turn on us, while the time HE worries about is the time before that, but after computers are able to MAKE killer robots?
+My initial interpretation, and what I still find most likely, is None of the above. MY interpretation is that Randall (and for him Megan) is likening this Facebook thing to the phonebook, that it's how a Terminator will now find Sarah Conner and start the cycle portrayed in the movies. Seeing as Randall likes to be fatalistic and paranoid. :) Before this, there haven't been phonebooks any more, so we've accidentally protected ourselves from the events of Terminator, but now with the information leak, if a Terminator travelled back to now, he'd once again be able to get contact information. In fact, wasn't it only a few comics ago where Randall put a Terminator timeline, where he said most people are afraid of the moment AI and killer robots turn on us, while the time HE worries about is the time before that, but after computers are able to MAKE killer robots? [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)