Talk:1984: Misinterpretation - Revision history

Twisted Code at 03:28, 19 February 2024

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108.162.237.197 at 12:53, 5 August 2022

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Kynde at 13:13, 25 April 2018

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Kynde: Removed section, and added signatures and replies

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172.68.50.112: /* ID 1984 */ new section

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‎ID 1984: new section

108.162.219.76 at 07:47, 25 April 2018

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Hkmaly at 22:45, 24 April 2018

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RIIW - Ponder it at 17:58, 24 April 2018

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141.101.88.148 at 17:43, 24 April 2018

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172.68.253.59 at 15:00, 24 April 2018

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	This feels like a metaphor, not a simile[[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.197\|108.162.237.197]] 12:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		This feels like a metaphor, not a simile[[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.197\|108.162.237.197]] 12:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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		+	While I agree with the basic argument Randall is making here (That communication is the responsibility of both parties. Also basically what Kynde said above), the number of contexts I have to keep track of in order to avoid offending people (because I have a habit of using sarcasm just like the comic depicts) is rather alarming. I am in a lot of online spaces, and while I usually manage it all well enough, it has caused some issues with confused contexts. I think sometimes listeners should try to be more understanding of someone that has found themselves, inadvertently, overwhelmed by a big public space. But I still try to take responsibility when I make a mistake because of the issue.--[[User:Twisted Code\|Twisted Code]] ([[User talk:Twisted Code\|talk]]) 03:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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	Am I the only one who is surprised that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)? {{unsigned ip\|172.68.50.112}}		Am I the only one who is surprised that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)? {{unsigned ip\|172.68.50.112}}
	:No there was another above you, but here are so many meanings to all possible numbers and I have long stopped expecting Randall to do anything out of this. He did it with [[1000]], which is a milestone (but then not at 1024), and yes she did the April fool 404, but that was because it made sense. So I did not expect him to do anything and also do not expect anything special with regards to #2018 falling in this year. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)		:No there was another above you, but here are so many meanings to all possible numbers and I have long stopped expecting Randall to do anything out of this. He did it with [[1000]], which is a milestone (but then not at 1024), and yes she did the April fool 404, but that was because it made sense. So I did not expect him to do anything and also do not expect anything special with regards to #2018 falling in this year. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
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		+	This feels like a metaphor, not a simile[[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.197\|108.162.237.197]] 12:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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 AFAIK, AFAIR, ISTM, IANAL but I reserve the right to be wrong... However, YMMV ;-) [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
-This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing. {{unsigned IP|108.162.219.76}}
+This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing. {{unsigned ip|108.162.219.76}}
 :Are you referring to any comments here above,because I cannot find anything relating to what you say about commentators here on xkcd... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 ;ID 1984
-Am I the only one who is surprised that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)? {{unsigned IP|172.68.50.112}}
+Am I the only one who is surprised that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)? {{unsigned ip|172.68.50.112}}
 :No there was another above you, but here are so many meanings to all possible numbers and I have long stopped expecting Randall to do anything out of this. He did it with [[1000]], which is a milestone (but then not at 1024), and yes she did the April fool 404, but that was because it made sense. So I did not expect him to do anything and also do not expect anything special with regards to #2018 falling in this year. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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 AFAIK, AFAIR, ISTM, IANAL but I reserve the right to be wrong... However, YMMV ;-) [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
-This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing.
+This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing. {{unsigned IP|108.162.219.76}}
-== ID 1984 ==
+;ID 1984
+Am I the only one who is surprised that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)? {{unsigned IP|172.68.50.112}}
-Am I the only one who is surprized that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)?
+:No there was another above you, but here are so many meanings to all possible numbers and I have long stopped expecting Randall to do anything out of this. He did it with [[1000]], which is a milestone (but then not at 1024), and yes she did the April fool 404, but that was because it made sense. So I did not expect him to do anything and also do not expect anything special with regards to #2018 falling in this year. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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	This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing.		This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing.
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		+	Am I the only one who is surprized that this comic has nothing to do with the novel 1984, given that there were already several jokes in regard to the comic id (e.g. comic 404)?

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	AFAIK, AFAIR, ISTM, IANAL but I reserve the right to be wrong... However, YMMV ;-) [[User:RIIW - Ponder it\|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it\|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)		AFAIK, AFAIR, ISTM, IANAL but I reserve the right to be wrong... However, YMMV ;-) [[User:RIIW - Ponder it\|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it\|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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		+	This one seems to have hit a sore spot among the kinds of people who comment on explainXKCD. Note that Cueball said “everyone” — if just about “everyone” misinterprets what I’ve said even when I'm being as clear as I know how, then yes, I am bad at communicating. Maybe that means I need to get better at writing so that I can refine my definition of “as clear as possible.” And don’t blame it on the ancient art of writing - more variables means more room for error as well, not to mention the opportunity to reflect and edit that is present when writing.

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	WOW, I am just about literally Cueball here, like I wonder if Randall has been stalking me, LOL! But I have to disagree with this off-panel person. All we can do is word things as clearly as possible. As it is, it seems like this desire to be understood leads to my writing large blocks of text to clearly, explicitly state things (which ends up making it worse from another direction, because then people get too lazy to read everything, so they STILL misunderstand.... Maybe you should have just paid attention in the first place, when I wrote less). :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)		WOW, I am just about literally Cueball here, like I wonder if Randall has been stalking me, LOL! But I have to disagree with this off-panel person. All we can do is word things as clearly as possible. As it is, it seems like this desire to be understood leads to my writing large blocks of text to clearly, explicitly state things (which ends up making it worse from another direction, because then people get too lazy to read everything, so they STILL misunderstand.... Maybe you should have just paid attention in the first place, when I wrote less). :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
		+	:In modern media it's also easy to write something which 90% people understand and still get thousands people who didn't (being in those remaining 10%). Yet, if 90% of people understand, it was quite clear, wasn't it? -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 22:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

	I don't think the timing of this comic is a coincidence in light of the recent media attention to "terms and conditions" language being used by companies with an online presence, e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-20/uber-paypal-face-reckoning-over-opaque-terms-and-conditions		I don't think the timing of this comic is a coincidence in light of the recent media attention to "terms and conditions" language being used by companies with an online presence, e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-20/uber-paypal-face-reckoning-over-opaque-terms-and-conditions

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	I must say, I expected something else for 1984. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.88.148\|141.101.88.148]]		I must say, I expected something else for 1984. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.88.148\|141.101.88.148]]
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		+	AFAIK, AFAIR, ISTM, IANAL but I reserve the right to be wrong... However, YMMV ;-) [[User:RIIW - Ponder it\|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it\|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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	Does Cueball fail at communicating? Or does writing as a medium that lacks the subtle facial expressions and tone that talking has mean that a spoken sentence and that same sentence written out can be interpreted differently even by the same person? Ahem, Poe's law.		Does Cueball fail at communicating? Or does writing as a medium that lacks the subtle facial expressions and tone that talking has mean that a spoken sentence and that same sentence written out can be interpreted differently even by the same person? Ahem, Poe's law.
	[[Special:Contributions/172.68.253.59\|172.68.253.59]] 15:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)		[[Special:Contributions/172.68.253.59\|172.68.253.59]] 15:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I must say, I expected something else for 1984. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.88.148\|141.101.88.148]]

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		+	Does Cueball fail at communicating? Or does writing as a medium that lacks the subtle facial expressions and tone that talking has mean that a spoken sentence and that same sentence written out can be interpreted differently even by the same person? Ahem, Poe's law.
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