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‎SQL Pronunciation

NiceGuy1 at 04:05, 2 July 2023

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Elvenivle at 01:32, 26 May 2023

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 The term "SQL" existed long before Microsoft started playing; they do not get to change the pronunciation.  I do not think that it is necessarily young IT people who prefer pronouncable words.  "SCSI" being pronounced "scuzzy" has a long tradition.  For myself, I usually say "S-Q-L" but have also used "squeal".  I am 57.  Gene Wirchenko genew@telus.net [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.220|108.162.216.220]] 01:06, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 :I'm aware SQL existed long before Microsoft got into the act. It started as SEQUEL for "Structured English Query Language". Nor did I intend to say that Microsoft dictated the pronunciation for all SQL. In the first sentence, I was only referring to their product.  I use "sequel" for Microsoft's product, but mostly "ess-kew-el" for others. For some reason, my remarks as typed came out shorter than as thought.  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.76|172.68.150.76]] 14:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 Is it possible the last panel is punning on menstruation?

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	"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest. It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact. Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day. It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts." A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.36\|162.158.154.36]] 20:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)		"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest. It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact. Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day. It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts." A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.36\|162.158.154.36]] 20:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
		+	: No, "In My Humble Opinion" began as a way to share one's opinion, an opinion the audience may disagree with, while acknowledging that the speaker is no expert or authority on the matter, this is only how they feel and they may in fact be wrong. It's POLITE, and self-aware, as well as being honest about the validity of their words, not grandiose or snarky or talking down at all. That's only how extreme pessimists would interpret it, who don't believe anyone is legitimately polite without an ulterior motive. Though I'll give you that it would often be used by legitimate experts, but as a way to avoid boasting or pathetically trying to add weight to their words. (They were ACTUALLY being humble). It ended up being used YOUR way, sure, but the difference is in the tone of voice and mannerisms. Polite came first. :) (And this is an OLD comic to be commenting on, only reason '''_I_''' saw it is because I happened to look at my Watchlist for once) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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	Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."		Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."

−	"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest. It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact. Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day. It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts." A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").	+	"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest. It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact. Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day. It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts." A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.36\|162.158.154.36]] 20:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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	Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."		Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."
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		+	"In my humble opinion," began as a grandiose and snarky way to lay down the law while pretending to be modest. It typically came from a real expert to a newbie who had just expressed some cockamamie idea as fact. Whether it originated in sf fandom or among computer programmers is irrelevant, given the great overlap between the two populations, especially back in the day. It's the hackers' version of the Southern U.S. locution, "bless your heart," which is a polite way to say, "I hate your guts." A similar locution is the re-enactor slang "farby," which refers to an ignorant newbie who gets all the details wrong and derives from "Far be it from me to criticize, but . . .").

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 I have never heard anyone use it like "Humble". Probably because "in my humble opinion" sounds more condescending than anything, along with the fact that a lot of people love to state things ironically, especially nowadays; seems important to point out when you're actually being sincere sometimes because of that.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.186.12|162.158.186.12]] 19:32, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 ::I use it to mean "humble", wasn't aware that there was an alternative. But then when I was a kid, V.23 was cutting edge. The use of "humble" is not condescending, it is sarcasm. For a master class, watch practically any episode of "My So-Called Life". [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.16|108.162.229.16]] 22:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 I mean, the dress is b&w if you have one of the forms of colorblindness. Although, what colors ''is'' it? [[User:SilverMagpie|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie|talk]]) 16:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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	With all the "tantalizing meat info", I wonder if "tabs" can be interpreted as ... some feminine hygienic product? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.246.65\|172.70.246.65]] 19:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)		With all the "tantalizing meat info", I wonder if "tabs" can be interpreted as ... some feminine hygienic product? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.246.65\|172.70.246.65]] 19:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Yes, I think the punch line is even here bigger: If you use tabs as another word for pills, you can manage to have no period if using tabs. "None. I use tabs."

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	:Yes, HTML collapses all whitespace.    Runs of whitespace characters (spaces, tabs, newlines) are all collapsed and rendered as a single space.    But there are workarounds.    One of the easiest is to use non-breaking-space characters (<TT>&nbsp;</TT>), which are not collapsed.    You can see the effect of using them in this comment.    [[User:Shamino\|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino\|talk]]) 13:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)		:Yes, HTML collapses all whitespace.    Runs of whitespace characters (spaces, tabs, newlines) are all collapsed and rendered as a single space.    But there are workarounds.    One of the easiest is to use non-breaking-space characters (<TT>&nbsp;</TT>), which are not collapsed.    You can see the effect of using them in this comment.    [[User:Shamino\|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino\|talk]]) 13:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
	The dress is blue and gold to me. I don't know why it would be anything else. [[User:HelloWorld\|HelloWorld]] ([[User talk:HelloWorld\|talk]]) 18:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)		The dress is blue and gold to me. I don't know why it would be anything else. [[User:HelloWorld\|HelloWorld]] ([[User talk:HelloWorld\|talk]]) 18:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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		+	With all the "tantalizing meat info", I wonder if "tabs" can be interpreted as ... some feminine hygienic product? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.246.65\|172.70.246.65]] 19:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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 I hate to be that guy, but I pronounce Giantess and Gift the same way.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] ([[User talk:Henke37|talk]]) 11:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 :LOL! (Lots of love [or lots of luck for you old-schoolers])[[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.172|162.158.255.172]] 14:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
+:With a Dutch G perhaps? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.54|141.101.77.54]] 21:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 == SQL Pronunciation  ==

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 :[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 21:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 :: If you print documents with monospace font, using just single space is NOT the main reason it's hard to read. You should use proportional font and tool actually designed to handle printing, which include having better option than using two spaces. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 :Using extra-wide space between sentences (not necessarily two spaces) goes back to the earliest days of printing, long before the invention of typewriters.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  As a matter of fact, the practice of double-spacing sentences with typewriters got started by trying to mimic the printing practices of the time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It was only in the mid-20th century (with the 1949 edition of the Chicago Manual of Style) that the recommendation became "one space", in 1969 when they stopped mentioning the earlier customs,  and in the 21st century where they explicitly prohibit any alternative.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There's a [https://web.archive.org/web/20171207185025/http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 great article about this] that explains the history in great detail.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Sadly, that blog no longer exists, but the Wayback Machine has preserved the content).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 15:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

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	I, too, was taught to type two spaces after a full stop. I think it had something to do with the font most typewriters used. On a web page, the HTML processor seems to remove extra spaces. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.76\|172.68.150.76]] 14:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)		I, too, was taught to type two spaces after a full stop. I think it had something to do with the font most typewriters used. On a web page, the HTML processor seems to remove extra spaces. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.150.76\|172.68.150.76]] 14:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
	:Yes, HTML collapses all whitespace.    Runs of whitespace characters (spaces, tabs, newlines) are all collapsed and rendered as a single space.    But there are workarounds.    One of the easiest is to use non-breaking-space characters (<TT>&nbsp;</TT>), which are not collapsed.    You can see the effect of using them in this comment.    [[User:Shamino\|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino\|talk]]) 13:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)		:Yes, HTML collapses all whitespace.    Runs of whitespace characters (spaces, tabs, newlines) are all collapsed and rendered as a single space.    But there are workarounds.    One of the easiest is to use non-breaking-space characters (<TT>&nbsp;</TT>), which are not collapsed.    You can see the effect of using them in this comment.    [[User:Shamino\|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino\|talk]]) 13:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
		+	The dress is blue and gold to me. I don't know why it would be anything else. [[User:HelloWorld\|HelloWorld]] ([[User talk:HelloWorld\|talk]]) 18:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)