Talk:2017: Stargazing 2 - Revision history

42.book.addict at 23:27, 27 December 2024

2024-12-27T23:27:54Z

ProphetZarquon: Formatting

2022-04-28T22:56:46Z

Formatting

ProphetZarquon: "they"

2022-04-28T22:53:47Z

"they"

Kynde at 09:06, 4 March 2020

2020-03-04T09:06:08Z

172.69.63.105 at 14:32, 1 October 2019

2019-10-01T14:32:19Z

NiceGuy1 at 04:51, 20 July 2018

2018-07-20T04:51:03Z

Redbelly98 at 02:13, 16 July 2018

2018-07-16T02:13:52Z

162.158.62.225 at 20:45, 15 July 2018

2018-07-15T20:45:02Z

Thisisnotatest: Clarify the json vs cartoon issue, leading to a misunderstanding between editors.

2018-07-15T07:41:08Z

Clarify the json vs cartoon issue, leading to a misunderstanding between editors.

Kynde at 13:25, 13 July 2018

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 ::1.) I don't see any use of the word "he" in that transcript. Where do you see that?
 ::2.) Why 1646? Isn't that one with Cueball writing a Twitter bot?
-::Looking at xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json, xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json, & xkcd.com/2017/info.0.json, I can't find a reference to gender in ''any'' of them.
+::Looking at xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json, xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json, & xkcd.com/2017/info.0.json, I can't find a reference to gender in ''any'' of them. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 23:37, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 :::Hey Zarquon, if you look again at [https://xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json], you can see the star guide referenced as “he” a couple times if you carefuread the whole transcript.  If alternatively your contribution to this wiki is that of trolling, you are making this rather obvious.  If you’re getting different contents for that file than we are, maybe you could upload it to ipfs or something for comparison and tell us the ip addresses that xkcd.com resolves to for you, so that somebody can debug the issue. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.243|162.158.62.243]] 07:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::::Not a troll, but a failure to detect an xkcd site error. It appears the issue is that the xkcd website is sending out json information that is mismatched with the cartoons. That is, https://xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json has the json information for the cartoon at https://xkcd.com/1644/ where we would expect the json data for that cartoon to be at https://xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json. So if you (logically) read https://xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json and search it for "he" or "him" you don't find it. But if all you're doing is looking for "he" or "him" you might not notice that "stargazer" isn't in that json file either. Confirmed the mis-URLed json file for the cartoon does refer to the host as "he." [[User:Thisisnotatest|Thisisnotatest]] ([[User talk:Thisisnotatest|talk]]) 07:41, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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 ::There is even a triva with the original transcript in the original copmic to make this clear. Read that first! [[1644:_Stargazing#Trivia]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 :::But since sometime in 2019 Randall changed the official transcript to calling the host she rather than he, so now of course all the discussion regarding the transcript calling "her" a he, is made invalid by Randall. So seems he did not intend it to be Brian Cox? although I'm still sure he knows him and makes fun of his show --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 :Bullshit. The pronoun "he" does not make him male as a person. That's a stupid preconception, which is perpetuated in the 21st century by a subfaction of feminists, thereby making a fool of themselves. There is no solid hint as to what the actual sex/gender of the figure is, and in this case English language defaults to "he". Maybe Randall indeed thought of Brian Cox, but that's speculation, not basis to infer a gender. And why anyway does it matter?!?!? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.44|162.158.94.44]] 11:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::I disagree it is called Stargazing and he has a show called Stagazing live and is a famous physicist and Randall follows these things and like astronomical phenomenons. I have no doubt it is a reference to Brian cox. And Randall does not use he when it is about Megan in other transcripts! BS to you too ;) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
-::Also, in English, "they" is the indefinite pronoun traditionally used to refer to a person without identifying gender (on either side of the Atlantic). As in, "someone left their keys here". There is no significant confusion on this point; it's been common usage since at least the 1300s, & is considered correct for every English grammar guide I've ''ever'' seen. Inanimate objects get the non-gendered "it". English does ''not'' default to "he". If anyone wants to refer to someone they don't know the preferred pronoun for, they'd be rude to presume "he" or "she" when it could be either or neither. "They" is correct & this is not new.
+::Also, in English, "they" is the indefinite pronoun traditionally used to refer to a person without identifying gender (on either side of the Atlantic). As in, "someone left their keys here". There is no significant confusion on this point; it's been common usage since at least the 1300s, & is considered correct for every English grammar guide I've ''ever'' seen. Inanimate objects get the non-gendered "it". English does ''not'' default to "he". If anyone wants to refer to someone they don't know the preferred pronoun for, they'd be rude to presume "he" or "she" when it could be either or neither. "They" is correct & this is not new. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 "Don't bother trying to catch them"???  What stellar object would you catch?  Unless this is a reference to asteroid mining? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.28|172.68.90.28]] 22:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)SiliconWolf

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 :Bullshit. The pronoun "he" does not make him male as a person. That's a stupid preconception, which is perpetuated in the 21st century by a subfaction of feminists, thereby making a fool of themselves. There is no solid hint as to what the actual sex/gender of the figure is, and in this case English language defaults to "he". Maybe Randall indeed thought of Brian Cox, but that's speculation, not basis to infer a gender. And why anyway does it matter?!?!? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.44|162.158.94.44]] 11:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::I disagree it is called Stargazing and he has a show called Stagazing live and is a famous physicist and Randall follows these things and like astronomical phenomenons. I have no doubt it is a reference to Brian cox. And Randall does not use he when it is about Megan in other transcripts! BS to you too ;) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
-::Also, in English, "they" is the indefinite pronoun traditionally used to refer to a person without identifying gender (on either side of the Atlantic). As in, "someone left their keys here". There is no significant confusion on this point; it's been common usage since at least the 1300s, & is considered correct for every English grammar guide I've ''ever'' seen. Inanimate objects get the non-gendered "it".
+::Also, in English, "they" is the indefinite pronoun traditionally used to refer to a person without identifying gender (on either side of the Atlantic). As in, "someone left their keys here". There is no significant confusion on this point; it's been common usage since at least the 1300s, & is considered correct for every English grammar guide I've ''ever'' seen. Inanimate objects get the non-gendered "it". English does ''not'' default to "he". If anyone wants to refer to someone they don't know the preferred pronoun for, they'd be rude to presume "he" or "she" when it could be either or neither. "They" is correct & this is not new.
 ::[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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 :Bullshit. The pronoun "he" does not make him male as a person. That's a stupid preconception, which is perpetuated in the 21st century by a subfaction of feminists, thereby making a fool of themselves. There is no solid hint as to what the actual sex/gender of the figure is, and in this case English language defaults to "he". Maybe Randall indeed thought of Brian Cox, but that's speculation, not basis to infer a gender. And why anyway does it matter?!?!? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.44|162.158.94.44]] 11:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::I disagree it is called Stargazing and he has a show called Stagazing live and is a famous physicist and Randall follows these things and like astronomical phenomenons. I have no doubt it is a reference to Brian cox. And Randall does not use he when it is about Megan in other transcripts! BS to you too ;) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 "Don't bother trying to catch them"???  What stellar object would you catch?  Unless this is a reference to asteroid mining? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.28|172.68.90.28]] 22:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)SiliconWolf

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 ::It is certainly Brian Cox as was found out in the first Stargazing and as fits with the offical transcript. It is even named after his show. End of story! I have corrected both explanations. Please don't go there DGBRT. This was discussed back then and was concluded to be so. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::There is even a triva with the original transcript in the original copmic to make this clear. Read that first! [[1644:_Stargazing#Trivia]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 :Bullshit. The pronoun "he" does not make him male as a person. That's a stupid preconception, which is perpetuated in the 21st century by a subfaction of feminists, thereby making a fool of themselves. There is no solid hint as to what the actual sex/gender of the figure is, and in this case English language defaults to "he". Maybe Randall indeed thought of Brian Cox, but that's speculation, not basis to infer a gender. And why anyway does it matter?!?!? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.44|162.158.94.44]] 11:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::I disagree it is called Stargazing and he has a show called Stagazing live and is a famous physicist and Randall follows these things and like astronomical phenomenons. I have no doubt it is a reference to Brian cox. And Randall does not use he when it is about Megan in other transcripts! BS to you too ;) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
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 For both comics I REALLY have to question the assertion that this must be Brian Cox, or even male. This character simply appears to be female. But people say the transcript says "he" (I don't know how to check on my own really, and would hesitate to believe a link I was provided, and I'm not sure I could even check the transcript or find my way to it on this old iPad). Fine. But Brian Cox sounds like a stretch. For Randall to be poking fun at him, he'd have to be seeing a bunch of his show. It seems unlikely that American Randall is getting that kind of exposure to a UK show and a UK host. Not impossible, and I see how well this guy lines up, but at the very least this unlikelihood obliterates any certainty. Maybe if these comics were written while Randall was known to be in the UK, that would be one thing. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:51, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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 :::Hey Zarquon, if you look again at [https://xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json], you can see the star guide referenced as “he” a couple times if you carefuread the whole transcript.  If alternatively your contribution to this wiki is that of trolling, you are making this rather obvious.  If you’re getting different contents for that file than we are, maybe you could upload it to ipfs or something for comparison and tell us the ip addresses that xkcd.com resolves to for you, so that somebody can debug the issue. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.243|162.158.62.243]] 07:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::::Not a troll, but a failure to detect an xkcd site error. It appears the issue is that the xkcd website is sending out json information that is mismatched with the cartoons. That is, https://xkcd.com/1646/info.0.json has the json information for the cartoon at https://xkcd.com/1644/ where we would expect the json data for that cartoon to be at https://xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json. So if you (logically) read https://xkcd.com/1644/info.0.json and search it for "he" or "him" you don't find it. But if all you're doing is looking for "he" or "him" you might not notice that "stargazer" isn't in that json file either. Confirmed the mis-URLed json file for the cartoon does refer to the host as "he." [[User:Thisisnotatest|Thisisnotatest]] ([[User talk:Thisisnotatest|talk]]) 07:41, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 :Is it possible this is meant to be {{w|Brian_Cox_(physicist)|Brian Cox}}? The hair is right and he's often noted for his enthusiasm. don't know how well known he is in the US, but a nerd like Randall is very likely to know of him --[[User:Luckykaa|Luckykaa]] ([[User talk:Luckykaa|talk]]) 07:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 ::It is certainly Brian Cox as was found out in the first Stargazing and as fits with the offical transcript. It is even named after his show. End of story! I have corrected both explanations. Please don't go there DGBRT. This was discussed back then and was concluded to be so. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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	I'm new here, and this is my first edit. I added an explanation of the phrase "Got a thesis out of it", as it seemed that lay people may not be familiar with it. [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)		I'm new here, and this is my first edit. I added an explanation of the phrase "Got a thesis out of it", as it seemed that lay people may not be familiar with it. [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	For both comics I REALLY have to question the assertion that this must be Brian Cox, or even male. This character simply appears to be female. But people say the transcript says "he" (I don't know how to check on my own really, and would hesitate to believe a link I was provided, and I'm not sure I could even check the transcript or find my way to it on this old iPad). Fine. But Brian Cox sounds like a stretch. For Randall to be poking fun at him, he'd have to be seeing a bunch of his show. It seems unlikely that American Randall is getting that kind of exposure to a UK show and a UK host. Not impossible, and I see how well this guy lines up, but at the very least this unlikelihood obliterates any certainty. Maybe if these comics were written while Randall was known to be in the UK, that would be one thing. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:51, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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	The "blinking lights" -- "don't bother trying to catch them". Pretty sure this is a reference to catching fireflies whose "lights" also blink on and off. 15 July 2018		The "blinking lights" -- "don't bother trying to catch them". Pretty sure this is a reference to catching fireflies whose "lights" also blink on and off. 15 July 2018
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		+	I'm new here, and this is my first edit. I added an explanation of the phrase "Got a thesis out of it", as it seemed that lay people may not be familiar with it. [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

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	Contradictory statements- if it's their observatory, the theses must be theirs. Why would they stock their cabinets with other people's theses? And does anyone know why "Add a comment" is linking to an edit page? Am I supposed to copypaste my address and stuff every time?		Contradictory statements- if it's their observatory, the theses must be theirs. Why would they stock their cabinets with other people's theses? And does anyone know why "Add a comment" is linking to an edit page? Am I supposed to copypaste my address and stuff every time?
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		+	The "blinking lights" -- "don't bother trying to catch them". Pretty sure this is a reference to catching fireflies whose "lights" also blink on and off. 15 July 2018