Talk:2021: Software Development - Revision history

Darthstark at 12:23, 10 February 2023

2023-02-10T12:23:54Z

Acrisci: sum up my point

2018-07-30T23:01:10Z

sum up my point

Acrisci: add my opinion

2018-07-30T22:40:47Z

add my opinion

108.162.212.149: comment

2018-07-29T00:14:29Z

comment

162.158.38.82 at 08:19, 27 July 2018

2018-07-27T08:19:11Z

TrueBoxGuy: Comment

2018-07-22T13:19:51Z

Comment

ProphetZarquon: Crypto is a good example.

2018-07-20T16:49:35Z

Crypto is a good example.

ProphetZarquon: Inefficiency, automation specification

2018-07-20T16:41:49Z

Inefficiency, automation specification

Rtanenbaum at 14:43, 20 July 2018

2018-07-20T14:43:53Z

162.158.134.34 at 06:27, 20 July 2018

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 I think this also represents front end Vs back end. If you consider the drill as the front-end and the cannon as the back end. The drill is elegant while the cannon is ugly, the same thing often happens in programming. [[User:TrueBoxGuy|TrueBoxGuy]] ([[User talk:TrueBoxGuy|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 Surely Drill = carefully crafted code, Cannon = docker container, with a similar sentiment to [[1988]]? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.82|162.158.38.82]] 08:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 Everybody is blaming Cueball for delivering the wrong thing, but we all do this all the time without thinking about it. For instance, YAML has zillions of features that nobody should ever use, but it's still preferred by some people over INI files for configuration because it can represent hierarchical data more clearly. Or how Awk is a complete programming language that could be used to write _anything_ but all anyone uses it for is as a crappy shlexer (like <code>... | awk '{print $4}'</code>). If what you have is a big stockpile of drills, then it's better to just repurpose the drills for the cannon instead of going out of your way to make cannonballs. [[User:Acrisci|Acrisci]] ([[User talk:Acrisci|talk]]) 22:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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−	Everybody is blaming Cueball for delivering the wrong thing, but we all do this all the time without thinking about it. For instance, YAML has zillions of features that nobody should ever use, but it's still preferred by some people over INI files for configuration because it can represent hierarchical data more clearly. Or how Awk is a complete programming language that could be used to write _anything_ but all anyone uses it for is as a crappy shlexer (like <code>... \| awk '{print $4}'</code>). [[User:Acrisci\|Acrisci]] ([[User talk:Acrisci\|talk]]) 22:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)	+	Everybody is blaming Cueball for delivering the wrong thing, but we all do this all the time without thinking about it. For instance, YAML has zillions of features that nobody should ever use, but it's still preferred by some people over INI files for configuration because it can represent hierarchical data more clearly. Or how Awk is a complete programming language that could be used to write _anything_ but all anyone uses it for is as a crappy shlexer (like <code>... \| awk '{print $4}'</code>). If what you have is a big stockpile of drills, then it's better to just repurpose the drills for the cannon instead of going out of your way to make cannonballs. [[User:Acrisci\|Acrisci]] ([[User talk:Acrisci\|talk]]) 22:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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	Surely Drill = carefully crafted code, Cannon = docker container, with a similar sentiment to [[1988]]? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.82\|162.158.38.82]] 08:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)		Surely Drill = carefully crafted code, Cannon = docker container, with a similar sentiment to [[1988]]? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.82\|162.158.38.82]] 08:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Everybody is blaming Cueball for delivering the wrong thing, but we all do this all the time without thinking about it. For instance, YAML has zillions of features that nobody should ever use, but it's still preferred by some people over INI files for configuration because it can represent hierarchical data more clearly. Or how Awk is a complete programming language that could be used to write _anything_ but all anyone uses it for is as a crappy shlexer (like <code>... \| awk '{print $4}'</code>). [[User:Acrisci\|Acrisci]] ([[User talk:Acrisci\|talk]]) 22:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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 ::: Nice name, by the way.
 :::[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 16:41, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
+::::An automatic drill-cannon is a thing that shoots and bores, and has an "automatic" feature. The second thing you described would be called just "automatic drill cannon", AFAIK.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.149|108.162.212.149]] 00:14, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 It is so fitting that this comic came out on the same day as Minecraft 1.13, an update that was incredibly rushed due to a stupid deadline. An update that contains many amazing features and code cleanups and rewrites, but also crashes, save corruptions, lots of bugs and lag, etc. An update that was meant to mainly fix bugs and clean up code, but ended up getting merged with another feature update, which caused most of this mess. [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 08:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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	I think this also represents front end Vs back end. If you consider the drill as the front-end and the cannon as the back end. The drill is elegant while the cannon is ugly, the same thing often happens in programming. [[User:TrueBoxGuy\|TrueBoxGuy]] ([[User talk:TrueBoxGuy\|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)		I think this also represents front end Vs back end. If you consider the drill as the front-end and the cannon as the back end. The drill is elegant while the cannon is ugly, the same thing often happens in programming. [[User:TrueBoxGuy\|TrueBoxGuy]] ([[User talk:TrueBoxGuy\|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Surely Drill = carefully crafted code, Cannon = docker container, with a similar sentiment to [[1988]]? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.82\|162.158.38.82]] 08:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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	Example: Automatic drill <=> database. Cannon <=> foreach (var row in db.execQuery("select * from customer")) if (resultRow["name"] == searchTerm) return true; [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.248\|141.101.77.248]] 23:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)		Example: Automatic drill <=> database. Cannon <=> foreach (var row in db.execQuery("select * from customer")) if (resultRow["name"] == searchTerm) return true; [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.248\|141.101.77.248]] 23:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I think that this comic represents how programmers put time above cost. Having 500 drills would be expensive but it would significantly reduce the time taken, as they are synchronous. This arguably isn't a bad tactic, but it stops programmers from worrying about cost at all in some cases.
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		+	I think this also represents front end Vs back end. If you consider the drill as the front-end and the cannon as the back end. The drill is elegant while the cannon is ugly, the same thing often happens in programming. [[User:TrueBoxGuy\|TrueBoxGuy]] ([[User talk:TrueBoxGuy\|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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 Hi, first time posting ;)
 To me it seems that the Title text is an example how after some time and many updates the original solution becomes some kind of abomination. Used in abstruse ways for something it was never intended for just because it works and is a quick and simple fix. After some time one always ends up doing unnecessary and arbitrary things in order to get what you actually wanted to achive. Like loading projectiles into a cannon just to use it as a battering ram. {{unsigned ip|162.158.91.137}}
 Don't forget the fact that no one wants to figure out how to use the elegant drill, but instead use it for its most obvious if least elegant piece--the stationary pointy bit. -Todd 7/18/2018 17:32 UTC {{unsigned ip|172.69.69.88}}

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 Automatic-Drill Cannon is my new favorite impractical weapon. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 01:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
-Sorry if this is amazingly off topic, but is that an automatic-drill cannon or an automatic drill-cannon? Like a Gatling gun for power tools? -Milliways 3:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
+::Sorry if this is amazingly off topic, but is that an automatic-drill cannon or an automatic drill-cannon? Like a Gatling gun for power tools? -Milliways 3:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 It is so fitting that this comic came out on the same day as Minecraft 1.13, an update that was incredibly rushed due to a stupid deadline. An update that contains many amazing features and code cleanups and rewrites, but also crashes, save corruptions, lots of bugs and lag, etc. An update that was meant to mainly fix bugs and clean up code, but ended up getting merged with another feature update, which caused most of this mess. [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 08:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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 :It makes most sense if these are two software developers who each have been given part of a task, with ill defined boundaries between the parts. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.134.34|162.158.134.34]] 06:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 Example: Automatic drill <=> database. Cannon <=> foreach (var row in db.execQuery("select * from customer")) if (resultRow["name"] == searchTerm) return true; [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.248|141.101.77.248]] 23:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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	This also shows the results of not clearly defining terms. Cueball interpreted 'drill' to mean 'a hand held drilling machine' whilst Hairy toolkit to mean a 'drill bit'. So when Cueball delivers his component, Hairy just uses it as a 'dumb' piece of ammo. [[User:RIIW - Ponder it\|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it\|talk]]) 22:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)		This also shows the results of not clearly defining terms. Cueball interpreted 'drill' to mean 'a hand held drilling machine' whilst Hairy toolkit to mean a 'drill bit'. So when Cueball delivers his component, Hairy just uses it as a 'dumb' piece of ammo. [[User:RIIW - Ponder it\|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it\|talk]]) 22:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I have a slightly different take. You develop a tool (drill or accounting application) that solves the problem. Then you develop a meta-tool (cannon or cloud-based services or Container software) that bundles simple tools and throws them at the same problem. The comic is not too effective in making the point. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 14:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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	Automatic-Drill Cannon is my new favorite impractical weapon. [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 01:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)		Automatic-Drill Cannon is my new favorite impractical weapon. [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 01:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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	Definitely seems make more sense if you consider the person on the left to be the software developer and the person on the right to be the user, doesn't it? But equally valid if the person on the left is the hardware developer and the person on the right is the programmer. [[User:Swhitlock\|Swhitlock]] ([[User talk:Swhitlock\|talk]]) 18:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)		Definitely seems make more sense if you consider the person on the left to be the software developer and the person on the right to be the user, doesn't it? But equally valid if the person on the left is the hardware developer and the person on the right is the programmer. [[User:Swhitlock\|Swhitlock]] ([[User talk:Swhitlock\|talk]]) 18:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:It makes most sense if these are two software developers who each have been given part of a task, with ill defined boundaries between the parts. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.134.34\|162.158.134.34]] 06:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

	Example: Automatic drill <=> database. Cannon <=> foreach (var row in db.execQuery("select * from customer")) if (resultRow["name"] == searchTerm) return true; [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.248\|141.101.77.248]] 23:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)		Example: Automatic drill <=> database. Cannon <=> foreach (var row in db.execQuery("select * from customer")) if (resultRow["name"] == searchTerm) return true; [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.248\|141.101.77.248]] 23:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)