Talk:2077: Heist - Revision history

Cosmogoblin at 13:01, 29 November 2018

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Resuna at 20:36, 28 November 2018

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Afbach at 22:36, 27 November 2018

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108.162.245.244 at 15:17, 27 November 2018

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162.158.114.40 at 14:46, 27 November 2018

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Hkmaly at 00:22, 27 November 2018

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Iggynelix: Added ref to TV series" the building"

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Added ref to TV series" the building"

172.69.22.140: Possible explanation of “from the building”

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Possible explanation of “from the building”

172.68.90.112 at 19:28, 26 November 2018

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108.162.219.16 at 17:20, 26 November 2018

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 : I thought "from the building" was a clue, like a badly worded phishing msg. I also thought the mouse-over was the typical clueless/naive, not sarcastic [[User:Afbach|Afbach]] ([[User talk:Afbach|talk]])
 Is it just me or is that cap really nicely drawn? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.40|162.158.114.40]] 14:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 :I was thinking the exact same thing!  Randall has really been upping his game over the years! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.244|108.162.245.244]] 15:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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	:Probably because it works, and it probably works because real service people are really this bad authenticated. It's even worse in emergency: there is rarely time for proper authentication during emergency ... which is why the criminals would create or fake an emergency to get in. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 00:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)		:Probably because it works, and it probably works because real service people are really this bad authenticated. It's even worse in emergency: there is rarely time for proper authentication during emergency ... which is why the criminals would create or fake an emergency to get in. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 00:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:Last place I worked letting a guy in without a current visitor's pass and an escort was a termination offense, and they ran drills regularly, and everyone knew someone who knew someone who'd gotten canned for it, or said they knew someone anyway. -- [[User:Resuna\|Resuna]] ([[User talk:Resuna\|talk]]) 20:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

	The movie Dope does a reverse cryptocurrency heist. That counts, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dope_%282015_film%29		The movie Dope does a reverse cryptocurrency heist. That counts, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dope_%282015_film%29

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 : I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.
 :: From [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6264636/ |"The Building"] might _also_ refer to the TV series about people trapped in skyscaper which is actually an alternate reality. .. But I seriously doubt it. ..or do I? [[User:Iggynelix|Iggynelix]] ([[User talk:Iggynelix|talk]]) 21:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 Is it just me or is that cap really nicely drawn? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.40|162.158.114.40]] 14:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 :I was thinking the exact same thing!  Randall has really been upping his game over the years! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.244|108.162.245.244]] 15:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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		+	:I was thinking the exact same thing! Randall has really been upping his game over the years! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.244\|108.162.245.244]] 15:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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	: I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.		: I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.
	:: From [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6264636/ \|"The Building"] might _also_ refer to the TV series about people trapped in skyscaper which is actually an alternate reality. .. But I seriously doubt it. ..or do I? [[User:Iggynelix\|Iggynelix]] ([[User talk:Iggynelix\|talk]]) 21:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)		:: From [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6264636/ \|"The Building"] might _also_ refer to the TV series about people trapped in skyscaper which is actually an alternate reality. .. But I seriously doubt it. ..or do I? [[User:Iggynelix\|Iggynelix]] ([[User talk:Iggynelix\|talk]]) 21:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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 You know, this isn't just a movie trope, this is an actual technique that is used ALL the time: https://youtu.be/rnmcRTnTNC8?t=2000 Is this worth mentioning in the explanation? [[User:Cgrimes85|Cgrimes85]] ([[User talk:Cgrimes85|talk]]) 16:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 The movie Dope does a reverse cryptocurrency heist. That counts, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dope_%282015_film%29

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	: I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.		: I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.
		+	:: From [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6264636/ \|"The Building"] might _also_ refer to the TV series about people trapped in skyscaper which is actually an alternate reality. .. But I seriously doubt it. ..or do I? [[User:Iggynelix\|Iggynelix]] ([[User talk:Iggynelix\|talk]]) 21:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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	But he has a white hat! We don't have to worry if they wear a white hat, right? On the other hand, he's "from the building"? What the heck does that mean? Cueball best knock the white hat off to eliminate any cognitive dissonance and then call his supervisor. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.112\|172.68.90.112]] 19:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC) SiliconWolf		But he has a white hat! We don't have to worry if they wear a white hat, right? On the other hand, he's "from the building"? What the heck does that mean? Cueball best knock the white hat off to eliminate any cognitive dissonance and then call his supervisor. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.112\|172.68.90.112]] 19:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC) SiliconWolf
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		+	: I interpreted “from the building” as meaning that (he claims) he’s with the people who own the building, while the people who Cueball’s affiliated with (presumably some corporation) just rent it from them. The building owners stand to lose a lot more than the renters if the building burns down, so they presumably want to deal with smoke detectors themselves.

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	Tweaked the grammar in the early, short explanation. Didn't fundamentally change the text, but I'm not sure that worrying about being "a minor character" is quite correct as the text of the comic quantifies that as being _in a heist_. Cueball's worries may not just be about his life being nothing more than a minor character in a movie, but possibly also of potential legal / professional liability as an accessory or accomplice. By knowing or supposing that the one asking for access is a criminal and/or should not have access -- and granting it anyway -- that may be enough to charge him with facilitation of the crime [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)#Criminal_facilitation as it is (in some jurisdictions) a crime to "provide" a person with "means or opportunity" to commit a crime, "believing it probable that he is rendering aid to a person who intends to commit a crime."]		Tweaked the grammar in the early, short explanation. Didn't fundamentally change the text, but I'm not sure that worrying about being "a minor character" is quite correct as the text of the comic quantifies that as being _in a heist_. Cueball's worries may not just be about his life being nothing more than a minor character in a movie, but possibly also of potential legal / professional liability as an accessory or accomplice. By knowing or supposing that the one asking for access is a criminal and/or should not have access -- and granting it anyway -- that may be enough to charge him with facilitation of the crime [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)#Criminal_facilitation as it is (in some jurisdictions) a crime to "provide" a person with "means or opportunity" to commit a crime, "believing it probable that he is rendering aid to a person who intends to commit a crime."]
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		+	But he has a white hat! We don't have to worry if they wear a white hat, right? On the other hand, he's "from the building"? What the heck does that mean? Cueball best knock the white hat off to eliminate any cognitive dissonance and then call his supervisor. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.112\|172.68.90.112]] 19:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC) SiliconWolf