Talk:2105: Modern OSI Model - Revision history

Mattj256 at 03:00, 21 July 2023

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Ianrbibtitlht at 13:29, 12 June 2019

2019-06-12T13:29:52Z

Gunterkoenigsmann at 15:51, 28 March 2019

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162.158.18.142 at 15:36, 5 February 2019

2019-02-05T15:36:51Z

162.158.18.142 at 15:32, 5 February 2019

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141.101.107.216: spoilers

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spoilers

141.101.107.216: Seven Horcruxes

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Seven Horcruxes

Kateract at 15:21, 1 February 2019

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PGilm at 21:10, 30 January 2019

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162.158.126.40: Arguing about Jenga

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Arguing about Jenga

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	Per "Incomplete" tag, I added the 7 standard OSI layers to the explanation with a simple description of each layer. Further editing may be needed. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)		Per "Incomplete" tag, I added the 7 standard OSI layers to the explanation with a simple description of each layer. Further editing may be needed. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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		+	I edited the description to include a paraphrase of the above commentary about Google and Amazon swallowing some of the layers. I think this makes more sense than the Jenga interpretation, especially given the title text. In the Harry Potter novels, Voldemort intentionally hid his horcruxes in different places. Hiding them in a structure which is subsumed by a few large companies would defeat the purpose. [[User:Mattj256\|Mattj256]] ([[User talk:Mattj256\|talk]]) 03:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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	: One thing the irregular grey form immediately reminded me of is this: https://goo.gl/images/hNQExG -- I don't know how this early, naive form of encryption should add to the topic at hand, though. Would be happy to find a better reference for those (irregular Scytale?), but all search terms I tried produced way too many results from more advanced forms of encryption.		: One thing the irregular grey form immediately reminded me of is this: https://goo.gl/images/hNQExG -- I don't know how this early, naive form of encryption should add to the topic at hand, though. Would be happy to find a better reference for those (irregular Scytale?), but all search terms I tried produced way too many results from more advanced forms of encryption.
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		+	Per "Incomplete" tag, I added the 7 standard OSI layers to the explanation with a simple description of each layer. Further editing may be needed. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 13:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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	:(Spoilers alert) Voldemort uses signifying objects of his life, heritage and his school's founders as horcruces. When the OSI layers are used as horcruces, one problem would be that Google/Amazon would have taken control of two horcruces, the other that some of the layers are frayed at the sides. Randall should not have put his horcruces in living standards - that was a very dangerous move. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.46\|172.68.110.46]] 07:54, 30 January 2019 (UTC)		:(Spoilers alert) Voldemort uses signifying objects of his life, heritage and his school's founders as horcruces. When the OSI layers are used as horcruces, one problem would be that Google/Amazon would have taken control of two horcruces, the other that some of the layers are frayed at the sides. Randall should not have put his horcruces in living standards - that was a very dangerous move. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.46\|172.68.110.46]] 07:54, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
		+	::Even worse: Some of the horcruxes have apparently merged.[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann\|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann\|talk]]) 15:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

	Is there a meaning of the widths of the layers - not a block or a triangle/pyramid? Are there more layers than the named ones? Or the named ones multiple times? This would correspond to the design of ever more layers, virtualizations, abstractions and overall complexity of computer systems as time moved forward. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.46\|172.68.110.46]] 07:49, 30 January 2019 (UTC)		Is there a meaning of the widths of the layers - not a block or a triangle/pyramid? Are there more layers than the named ones? Or the named ones multiple times? This would correspond to the design of ever more layers, virtualizations, abstractions and overall complexity of computer systems as time moved forward. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.46\|172.68.110.46]] 07:49, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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 Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort (spoilers) only meant to create 6 horcruxes. The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.18.142|162.158.18.142]] 15:32, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 One thing the irregular grey form immediately reminded me of is this: https://goo.gl/images/hNQExG -- I don't know how this early, naive form of encryption should add to the topic at hand, though. Would be happy to find a better reference for those, but all search terms I tried produced way too many results from more advanced forms of encryption.
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	Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort (spoilers) only meant to create 6 horcruxes. The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216\|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)		Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort (spoilers) only meant to create 6 horcruxes. The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216\|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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		+	One thing the irregular grey form immediately reminded me of is this: https://goo.gl/images/hNQExG -- I don't know how this early, naive form of encryption should add to the topic at hand, though. Would be happy to find a better reference for those, but all search terms I tried produced way too many results from more advanced forms of encryption.
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	I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)		I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

−	Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort only meant to create 6 horcruxes ~~(spoilers)~~. The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216\|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)	+	Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort (spoilers) only meant to create 6 horcruxes. The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216\|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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	I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)		I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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		+	Is it worth mentioning that Voldemort only meant to create 6 horcruxes (spoilers). The idea was to split his soul into seven pieces, with the last piece still residing within his own body. The seventh Horcrux, Harry, was both an accident and his downfall. Thus, Randall may be implying that the top layer (Facebook) might be accidental, and the downfall of Google & Amazon. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.216\|141.101.107.216]] 13:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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	PRESENTATION, SESSION, and NETWORK are not contained within GOOGLE & AMAZON the way the rest of the layers are; there are openings to the outside for those three.		PRESENTATION, SESSION, and NETWORK are not contained within GOOGLE & AMAZON the way the rest of the layers are; there are openings to the outside for those three.
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		+	: This is true of front facing web pages, but web services exist that may communicate, potentially exclusively, with other services on the same platform. In that case, they would in effect encapsulate all of the layers for that service! This brings up a notable exclusion though, as Microsoft has not been represented here. If you throw them into the mix with Google and Amazon, Thanks to their own Azure cloud services and the ubiquitous Windows and IE/Edge, it would basically only leave argument for the Network layer. [[User:Kateract\|Kateract]] ([[User talk:Kateract\|talk]]) 15:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

	I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)		I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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	PRESENTATION, SESSION, and NETWORK are not contained within GOOGLE & AMAZON the way the rest of the layers are; there are openings to the outside for those three.		PRESENTATION, SESSION, and NETWORK are not contained within GOOGLE & AMAZON the way the rest of the layers are; there are openings to the outside for those three.
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		+	I go with Jenga. The three blocks would collapse the tower. The four blocks that don't are because (Randall says) Google and Amazon essentially replace them. Makes sense to me, for those, so I put it in the answer already. [[User:PGilm\|PGilm]] ([[User talk:PGilm\|talk]]) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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 :: Could some reference to this, or at least some speculation on the irregularity of the tower on general, be added? I would propose something like the following:
 ::: ''The significance of the irregular pattern of the Google/Amazon blob isn't clear. It is likely that it is in reference to the irregular way in which their modifications to the OSI stack have evolved. However, it is also notable that the irregular structure of the stack is arranged so as to resemble a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga Jenga] tower. Jenga, for those unfamiliar, is a game in which blocks are added and removed from a vertical pile until the whole collapses. This may be a commentary on the instability of the stack in general, or on how Google and Amazon's additions and changes to it have destabilized the networking protocols.''  -- [[Special:Contributions/172.68.78.10|172.68.78.10]] 16:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 I think Google & Amazon are the grey blob that is slowly absorbing all of the layers [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.114|141.101.107.114]] 07:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)