Talk:2289: Scenario 4 - Revision history

Bb777 at 00:30, 25 March 2025

2025-03-25T00:30:00Z

Redbelly98: Don't think the stuff about antiparticles is needed or helpful in explaining this comic.

2020-04-14T02:07:22Z

Don't think the stuff about antiparticles is needed or helpful in explaining this comic.

108.162.245.6 at 20:50, 8 April 2020

2020-04-08T20:50:06Z

Vee00101010 at 20:47, 8 April 2020

2020-04-08T20:47:45Z

172.68.189.49: Consider for a moment...

2020-04-07T10:51:50Z

Consider for a moment...

MAP: Added note about the types of curves (well, at least the possible ones).

2020-04-06T23:30:10Z

Added note about the types of curves (well, at least the possible ones).

Cellocgw at 18:33, 6 April 2020

2020-04-06T18:33:36Z

162.158.34.210 at 15:49, 6 April 2020

2020-04-06T15:49:08Z

162.158.34.210 at 15:47, 6 April 2020

2020-04-06T15:47:25Z

Cellocgw at 13:14, 6 April 2020

2020-04-06T13:14:17Z

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	I have trouble seeing how it's useful to include the explanation of antiparticles as backward-in-time-traveling particles. It strikes me as only remotely related, and does not really explain anything about the comic. I think a simple explanation in terms of graphs and functions is appropriate here. -- [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)		I have trouble seeing how it's useful to include the explanation of antiparticles as backward-in-time-traveling particles. It strikes me as only remotely related, and does not really explain anything about the comic. I think a simple explanation in terms of graphs and functions is appropriate here. -- [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Oooh, time travel! --[[User:Bb777\|[insert signature here]]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 00:30, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

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	Wouldn't an asymptote best represent a 'non time related' apocalypse? [[User:Vee00101010\|Vee00101010]] ([[User talk:Vee00101010\|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)		Wouldn't an asymptote best represent a 'non time related' apocalypse? [[User:Vee00101010\|Vee00101010]] ([[User talk:Vee00101010\|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I have trouble seeing how it's useful to include the explanation of antiparticles as backward-in-time-traveling particles. It strikes me as only remotely related, and does not really explain anything about the comic. I think a simple explanation in terms of graphs and functions is appropriate here. -- [[User:Redbelly98\|Redbelly98]] ([[User talk:Redbelly98\|talk]]) 02:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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	Consider for a moment that each graph is not one line segment, but two. That makes scenario 4 the best possible scenario. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.49\|172.68.189.49]] 10:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)		Consider for a moment that each graph is not one line segment, but two. That makes scenario 4 the best possible scenario. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.49\|172.68.189.49]] 10:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

−	Wouldn't an asymptote represent a non time ~~paradox~~ apocalypse ~~best~~? [[User:Vee00101010\|Vee00101010]] ([[User talk:Vee00101010\|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)	+	Wouldn't an asymptote best represent a 'non time related' apocalypse? [[User:Vee00101010\|Vee00101010]] ([[User talk:Vee00101010\|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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	Consider for a moment that each graph is not one line segment, but two. That makes scenario 4 the best possible scenario. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.49\|172.68.189.49]] 10:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)		Consider for a moment that each graph is not one line segment, but two. That makes scenario 4 the best possible scenario. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.49\|172.68.189.49]] 10:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Wouldn't an asymptote represent a non time paradox apocalypse best? [[User:Vee00101010\|Vee00101010]] ([[User talk:Vee00101010\|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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	I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff. (Darnit, forgot to sign...). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210\|162.158.34.210]] 15:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)		I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff. (Darnit, forgot to sign...). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210\|162.158.34.210]] 15:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Consider for a moment that each graph is not one line segment, but two. That makes scenario 4 the best possible scenario. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.49\|172.68.189.49]] 10:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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	Another instance of a graph with poor labels ("bad stuff"), even without the time travel. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.225\|162.158.158.225]] 23:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)		Another instance of a graph with poor labels ("bad stuff"), even without the time travel. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.225\|162.158.158.225]] 23:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Scenario 1 is almost certainly intended to be a logistic curve. Scenario 2 starts off a bit slower, and it looks like one of the cases where you don't have enough data yet, but _hope_ it'll settle into a logistic. Scenario 3 is probably an exponential. These are the standard three scenarios: good, hopeful, and catastrophic. Then in his usual, now lets just get weird twist, comes the impossible one. I think that's all relevant, but I've been up too long to merge it into the text. [[User:MAP\|MAP]] ([[User talk:MAP\|talk]]) 23:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

	The issue of time-traveling COVID-19 problems has already be considered in Onion Public Radio's The Topical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GQwOcsChQ Apologies for any poor rule-following as this is my first edit. [[User:RandomEdditMemory\|RandomEdditMemory]] ([[User talk:RandomEdditMemory\|talk]]) 00:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)RandomEditMemory		The issue of time-traveling COVID-19 problems has already be considered in Onion Public Radio's The Topical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GQwOcsChQ Apologies for any poor rule-following as this is my first edit. [[User:RandomEdditMemory\|RandomEdditMemory]] ([[User talk:RandomEdditMemory\|talk]]) 00:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)RandomEditMemory

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 :There are graphs, however, that have multiple Y-values for single X-values (graph of a square root function, at least for positive values of X, graphs of circles, or the batman equation. Might need an ELI5 why those are okay but the line curving back in time isn't.
-You laugh here,  but I have in fact seen graphs in corporate presentations which folded back. The presenter (a) didn't understand data analysis,  (b) thought Excel was the right tool, and finally (c) decided the graph looked "better" by using the (incompetent) Excel pseudo-curve-smoothing graphics tool.
+You laugh here,  but I have in fact seen graphs in corporate presentations which folded back. The presenter (a) didn't understand data analysis,  (b) thought Excel was the right tool, and finally (c) decided the graph looked "better" by using the (incompetent) Excel pseudo-curve-smoothing graphics tool.[[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 18:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 To me this comic seems a commentary on alocalypse.  Some see COVID-19 as the start of a coming apocalypse, and some worst apocalypse scenarios involve either an explosive AI researching things like time travel or ending our timeline as physics knows it, or all of us going back to survival mode on a landscape without any modern infrastructure.  [[Special:Contributions/172.69.250.58|172.69.250.58]] 22:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff.  (Darnit, forgot to sign...). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 15:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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	To me this comic seems a commentary on alocalypse. Some see COVID-19 as the start of a coming apocalypse, and some worst apocalypse scenarios involve either an explosive AI researching things like time travel or ending our timeline as physics knows it, or all of us going back to survival mode on a landscape without any modern infrastructure. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.250.58\|172.69.250.58]] 22:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)		To me this comic seems a commentary on alocalypse. Some see COVID-19 as the start of a coming apocalypse, and some worst apocalypse scenarios involve either an explosive AI researching things like time travel or ending our timeline as physics knows it, or all of us going back to survival mode on a landscape without any modern infrastructure. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.250.58\|172.69.250.58]] 22:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

−	I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff.	+	I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff. (Darnit, forgot to sign...). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210\|162.158.34.210]] 15:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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	To me this comic seems a commentary on alocalypse. Some see COVID-19 as the start of a coming apocalypse, and some worst apocalypse scenarios involve either an explosive AI researching things like time travel or ending our timeline as physics knows it, or all of us going back to survival mode on a landscape without any modern infrastructure. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.250.58\|172.69.250.58]] 22:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)		To me this comic seems a commentary on alocalypse. Some see COVID-19 as the start of a coming apocalypse, and some worst apocalypse scenarios involve either an explosive AI researching things like time travel or ending our timeline as physics knows it, or all of us going back to survival mode on a landscape without any modern infrastructure. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.250.58\|172.69.250.58]] 22:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I think that "The only way to make sense of it would be by using the common trope in science fiction of time traveling creating an alternate timeline in which events are different, thus the cases could be 100 in one timeline and 1000 in a different timeline."..etc is utterly wrong creating a new timeline would have two 'forward' lines over a stretch of chart but would not have a single inflection joining a forward over ibto a backwards one. Maybe a (reverse) Z-bend if you include the retrograde (tachyonic?) leg, but then the true alternate timeline (also as per a single line splitting into two forward-going streams at a given ''t'', whether or not that was invoked by time-travellers arriving at that point or 'mundane' quantum superpositioning if alternate outcomes) would not be backwards. (Alternative time-arrow, maybe, but that's more like a continuation of the existence of the usual one, which has no existence beyond the rotation of time into a backwards framing... However that happens - and this graph seems to indicate gradually, like the rate of time goes for +ve to -ve by having less seconds/'second' and passing zero, perhaps by somehow rotating in the imaginary time plane (similar, then, to a spacial one?) in which case there's probably more to worry about than the (presumably unrelated) Bad Stuff.