Talk:2307: Alive Or Not - Revision history

162.158.7.151: attempt at humour

2020-05-25T05:51:35Z

attempt at humour

141.101.98.40 at 21:39, 21 May 2020

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Kynde at 14:09, 20 May 2020

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172.69.35.47: cmt

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cmt

Nutster: Schrödinger’s Cat

2020-05-19T11:45:12Z

Schrödinger’s Cat

Elektrizikekswerk at 11:00, 19 May 2020

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Kynde at 09:47, 19 May 2020

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Kynde at 09:47, 19 May 2020

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162.158.93.27 at 00:28, 19 May 2020

2020-05-19T00:28:03Z

DKMell: provided a counterargument that viruses are alive

2020-05-18T22:18:05Z

provided a counterargument that viruses are alive

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	I assume the reason mushrooms are so high up is because of https://xkcd.com/1749/		I assume the reason mushrooms are so high up is because of https://xkcd.com/1749/
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		+	What? No mention of "mostly dead is slightly alive"? For those that don't get it - go watch The Princess Bride :) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.7.151\|162.158.7.151]] 05:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Why are slime molds below plants and fungi? They actually move.--[[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.241\|172.68.189.241]] 17:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)		Why are slime molds below plants and fungi? They actually move.--[[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.241\|172.68.189.241]] 17:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I assume the reason mushrooms are so high up is because of https://xkcd.com/1749/

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 :::::Nope. Granted, there _may_ be a connection since it would indeed be fitting to the last comics and the current world situation. However nothing in the comic leads to the conclusion that it actually _is_. Unless you actually _are_ Randall there is no way you can actually say that it is "of course inspired" by the event/previous comic. It's all like "Sad", again - you are seeing "obvious" connections where there are none. Like 172.69.34.38 said, the comic wouldn't be less funny/informative/whatever without this connection. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 11:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::I disagree that this comic is inspired by or a "continuation" of the previous comic. Randall likes to anthropomorphize things, but that doesn't provide a lead-in to whether they are alive or not. These two comics are separate topics. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.35.47|172.69.35.47]] 23:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 Somewhat disappointed that he didn't include any fictional items such as golems. For that matter, where to place Alexa?  [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 10:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::OMG - this comic is centered around virus being alive or not in the midst of a virus pandemic that all comics the last two months has been about, and you cannot see the connection! Of course this is inspired by the previous comic about corona, with virus that speaks to us! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 :::::Nope. Granted, there _may_ be a connection since it would indeed be fitting to the last comics and the current world situation. However nothing in the comic leads to the conclusion that it actually _is_. Unless you actually _are_ Randall there is no way you can actually say that it is "of course inspired" by the event/previous comic. It's all like "Sad", again - you are seeing "obvious" connections where there are none. Like 172.69.34.38 said, the comic wouldn't be less funny/informative/whatever without this connection. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 11:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
+::::::I disagree that this comic is inspired by or a "continuation" of the previous comic. Randall likes to anthropomorphize things, but that doesn't provide a lead-in to whether they are alive or not. These two comics are separate topics. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.35.47|172.69.35.47]] 23:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 Somewhat disappointed that he didn't include any fictional items such as golems. For that matter, where to place Alexa?  [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 10:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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 I’m surprised this doesn’t include Schrödinger’s Cat at the origin. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.77|162.158.91.77]] 14:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 Missed joke opportunity: which type of cloud? because one type of cloud has AI in it..
 Why are slime molds below plants and fungi? They actually move.--[[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.241|172.68.189.241]] 17:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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 :::Agree it shouldn't be classified as COVID-19, but then there's a bunch of others that should be removed from the category: 2278, 2283, 2289, 2292, 2293.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.78|141.101.107.78]] 08:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 :::I wouldn't consider this comic about COVID-19, either. [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 13:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
-::::OMG - the hoel comic centeres around virus being alive in the midst of a virus pandemic that all comics the last two months has been about, and you cannot see the connection! Of coruse this is inspired by the previous comic about corona, with virus that speaks to us! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
+::::OMG - this comic is centered around virus being alive or not in the midst of a virus pandemic that all comics the last two months has been about, and you cannot see the connection! Of course this is inspired by the previous comic about corona, with virus that speaks to us! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 Somewhat disappointed that he didn't include any fictional items such as golems. For that matter, where to place Alexa?  [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 10:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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 When looking at viruses, I consider them made of the things of life (proteins, lipids, nucleic acids), but are not actually alive as they have no metabolism and can not reproduce on their own; they need to co-opt the protein production facility of truly living cells in order to reproduce.  Without a host, they just sit there (or maybe blow around on the wind).  Also without metabolism, they can not starve to death, like bacteria and other single-cell organisms that get into the wrong environment. [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 15:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 :Agreed that the lack of metabolism is a big thing. On the other hand, ''all'' organisms need an acceptable habitat to be able to reproduce, and viruses are no different: their habitat is their target cells, where they can reproduce like mad. Furthermore, viruses can be infected and killed by other viruses, namely by {{w|virophages}}, and it's hard to see how they can be killed if they weren't alive to begin with. Whether they're "alive" depends only on one's definition of the word; it can be interesting to discuss this because it reveals what people think "alive" means, but not because there's a true answer. [[User:DKMell|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell|talk]]) 22:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 Well, this raises the question where the sun (or any main sequence star) fall on this list. Is it just a really big thermonuclear fire?

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	When looking at viruses, I consider them made of the things of life (proteins, lipids, nucleic acids), but are not actually alive as they have no metabolism and can not reproduce on their own; they need to co-opt the protein production facility of truly living cells in order to reproduce. Without a host, they just sit there (or maybe blow around on the wind). Also without metabolism, they can not starve to death, like bacteria and other single-cell organisms that get into the wrong environment. [[User:Nutster\|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster\|talk]]) 15:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)		When looking at viruses, I consider them made of the things of life (proteins, lipids, nucleic acids), but are not actually alive as they have no metabolism and can not reproduce on their own; they need to co-opt the protein production facility of truly living cells in order to reproduce. Without a host, they just sit there (or maybe blow around on the wind). Also without metabolism, they can not starve to death, like bacteria and other single-cell organisms that get into the wrong environment. [[User:Nutster\|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster\|talk]]) 15:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
		+	:Agreed that the lack of metabolism is a big thing. On the other hand, ''all'' organisms need an acceptable habitat to be able to reproduce, and viruses are no different: their habitat is their target cells, where they can reproduce like mad. Furthermore, viruses can be infected and killed by other viruses, namely by {{w\|virophages}}, and it's hard to see how they can be killed if they weren't alive to begin with. Whether they're "alive" depends only on one's definition of the word; it can be interesting to discuss this because it reveals what people think "alive" means, but not because there's a true answer. [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 22:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

	Well, this raises the question where the sun (or any main sequence star) fall on this list. Is it just a really big thermonuclear fire?		Well, this raises the question where the sun (or any main sequence star) fall on this list. Is it just a really big thermonuclear fire?