Talk:2368: Bigger Problem - Revision history

162.158.90.125: unsigned

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172.69.22.150 at 21:40, 11 October 2020

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Donthaveusername at 19:46, 9 October 2020

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Donthaveusername at 19:46, 9 October 2020

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162.158.75.36 at 05:12, 8 October 2020

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Dprovan: At least cueball's now focused on the more important problem

2020-10-07T16:29:54Z

At least cueball's now focused on the more important problem

Seebert at 12:33, 7 October 2020

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Sqrt-1 at 03:48, 7 October 2020

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Sqrt-1 at 03:46, 7 October 2020

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141.101.107.82 at 19:45, 6 October 2020

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	'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?''''' [[User:Donthaveusername\|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername\|talk]]) 19:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)		'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?''''' [[User:Donthaveusername\|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername\|talk]]) 19:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

−	Dunno! I guess it's not really that important to the comics. Wear masks, people!	+	Dunno! I guess it's not really that important to the comics. Wear masks, people! {{unsigned ip\|172.69.22.150\|21:40, 11 October 2020}}

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	'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?''''' [[User:Donthaveusername\|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername\|talk]]) 19:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)		'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?''''' [[User:Donthaveusername\|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername\|talk]]) 19:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Dunno! I guess it's not really that important to the comics. Wear masks, people!

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	Two points: First, if your goal is to help the world by trying to fix some problem with it, the proper way to decide which problem to focus on is not the biggest problem, but you have to multiply together the severity of the problem, how likely you would be able to successfully help with fixing the problem, and, if successful in helping with the problem, how much help that would most likely be and the portion of the problem you would be able to personally fix. You should also factor in how much time or expenses you would incur in the attempt. Secondly, the proper response that should have been given by the guy at the end, instead of that lame deflection, should be "I was saying earlier that focusing on the wrong problem showed that you didn't really care. However, to begin with I never once actually claimed that I cared myself."--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.36\|162.158.75.36]] 05:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)		Two points: First, if your goal is to help the world by trying to fix some problem with it, the proper way to decide which problem to focus on is not the biggest problem, but you have to multiply together the severity of the problem, how likely you would be able to successfully help with fixing the problem, and, if successful in helping with the problem, how much help that would most likely be and the portion of the problem you would be able to personally fix. You should also factor in how much time or expenses you would incur in the attempt. Secondly, the proper response that should have been given by the guy at the end, instead of that lame deflection, should be "I was saying earlier that focusing on the wrong problem showed that you didn't really care. However, to begin with I never once actually claimed that I cared myself."--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.36\|162.158.75.36]] 05:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

−	'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?'''''	+
		+	===Masks===
		+	'''''WHY ARE NONE OF THE XKCD CHARACTERS WEARING MASKS?''''' [[User:Donthaveusername\|Donthaveusername]] ([[User talk:Donthaveusername\|talk]]) 19:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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	Two points: First, if your goal is to help the world by trying to fix some problem with it, the proper way to decide which problem to focus on is not the biggest problem, but you have to multiply together the severity of the problem, how likely you would be able to successfully help with fixing the problem, and, if successful in helping with the problem, how much help that would most likely be and the portion of the problem you would be able to personally fix. You should also factor in how much time or expenses you would incur in the attempt. Secondly, the proper response that should have been given by the guy at the end, instead of that lame deflection, should be "I was saying earlier that focusing on the wrong problem showed that you didn't really care. However, to begin with I never once actually claimed that I cared myself."--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.36\|162.158.75.36]] 05:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)		Two points: First, if your goal is to help the world by trying to fix some problem with it, the proper way to decide which problem to focus on is not the biggest problem, but you have to multiply together the severity of the problem, how likely you would be able to successfully help with fixing the problem, and, if successful in helping with the problem, how much help that would most likely be and the portion of the problem you would be able to personally fix. You should also factor in how much time or expenses you would incur in the attempt. Secondly, the proper response that should have been given by the guy at the end, instead of that lame deflection, should be "I was saying earlier that focusing on the wrong problem showed that you didn't really care. However, to begin with I never once actually claimed that I cared myself."--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.36\|162.158.75.36]] 05:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
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	:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1\|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)		:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1\|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
	At least cueball ends up focused on the bigger problem. Too often I find people get caught up in an insignificant piece of a larger problem, a larger problem that they're ignoring. Then they fix the tiny symptom in a way that's unfair or makes it much harder to fix the real problem, often both. --[[User:Dprovan\|Dprovan]] ([[User talk:Dprovan\|talk]]) 16:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)		At least cueball ends up focused on the bigger problem. Too often I find people get caught up in an insignificant piece of a larger problem, a larger problem that they're ignoring. Then they fix the tiny symptom in a way that's unfair or makes it much harder to fix the real problem, often both. --[[User:Dprovan\|Dprovan]] ([[User talk:Dprovan\|talk]]) 16:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Two points: First, if your goal is to help the world by trying to fix some problem with it, the proper way to decide which problem to focus on is not the biggest problem, but you have to multiply together the severity of the problem, how likely you would be able to successfully help with fixing the problem, and, if successful in helping with the problem, how much help that would most likely be and the portion of the problem you would be able to personally fix. You should also factor in how much time or expenses you would incur in the attempt. Secondly, the proper response that should have been given by the guy at the end, instead of that lame deflection, should be "I was saying earlier that focusing on the wrong problem showed that you didn't really care. However, to begin with I never once actually claimed that I cared myself."--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.36\|162.158.75.36]] 05:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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	This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)		This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
	:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1\|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)		:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1\|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
		+	At least cueball ends up focused on the bigger problem. Too often I find people get caught up in an insignificant piece of a larger problem, a larger problem that they're ignoring. Then they fix the tiny symptom in a way that's unfair or makes it much harder to fix the real problem, often both. --[[User:Dprovan\|Dprovan]] ([[User talk:Dprovan\|talk]]) 16:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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 Is this kind of like as a social conservative, I care about euthanasia, war, abortion, and the death penalty and want them all reduced, but I also care about doing what I can about climate change even if I am skeptical that human beings can do anything to reverse climate change at this point, and so I drive a 2006 prius with all sorts of pro-life bumper stickers and am planning on, when I change out the battery at 300,000 miles, to add a 3rd party plug in charger reducing my once-every-three-months gas tank fill up to once a year?[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 15:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 :Perhaps see if you can get your old batteries (maybe paired up with someone else's, to deal with the capacity bleed that forced you to replace them) and put them in a Home Storage Unit that you can feed with excess renewable energy (your own, or off the grid at anti-peak times) and this balance of energy then becomes as much as possible of the home-charging power given to your PIH car. This solves some of the problems caused by the attempt to use certain Green Revolution solutions (the need to recycle/(re)manufacture batteries, the energy load now not taken by tanks of hydrocarbons now needing to come off the domestic electricity supplies, etc). There's plenty of knock-on effects to consider. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.82|141.101.107.82]] 19:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
+::That is extremely possible.  There's a guy in San Francisco harvesting and testing old prius cells; he apparently acquires them cheaply enough (stolen from junkyards perhaps) to offer them on Facebook Marketplace for $25 a cell.  There are 28 cells in the standard prius 10kwh pack, each pack contains enough energy to push a prius 20 miles at 20 miles per hour (aka the infamous "out of gas" mode that you hit if you try to drive a prius >550 miles on a single tank of gas).
 This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 :I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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	This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)		This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
−	:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.	+	:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.<span> — [[User:Sqrt-1\|The <b>𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sqrt-1\|<span style="color: blue">stalk</span>]]</sup></span> 03:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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	This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)		This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
		+	:I went ahead and added it in with a link to TVTropes and RationalWiki.

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	Is this kind of like as a social conservative, I care about euthanasia, war, abortion, and the death penalty and want them all reduced, but I also care about doing what I can about climate change even if I am skeptical that human beings can do anything to reverse climate change at this point, and so I drive a 2006 prius with all sorts of pro-life bumper stickers and am planning on, when I change out the battery at 300,000 miles, to add a 3rd party plug in charger reducing my once-every-three-months gas tank fill up to once a year?[[User:Seebert\|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert\|talk]]) 15:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)		Is this kind of like as a social conservative, I care about euthanasia, war, abortion, and the death penalty and want them all reduced, but I also care about doing what I can about climate change even if I am skeptical that human beings can do anything to reverse climate change at this point, and so I drive a 2006 prius with all sorts of pro-life bumper stickers and am planning on, when I change out the battery at 300,000 miles, to add a 3rd party plug in charger reducing my once-every-three-months gas tank fill up to once a year?[[User:Seebert\|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert\|talk]]) 15:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
		+	:Perhaps see if you can get your old batteries (maybe paired up with someone else's, to deal with the capacity bleed that forced you to replace them) and put them in a Home Storage Unit that you can feed with excess renewable energy (your own, or off the grid at anti-peak times) and this balance of energy then becomes as much as possible of the home-charging power given to your PIH car. This solves some of the problems caused by the attempt to use certain Green Revolution solutions (the need to recycle/(re)manufacture batteries, the energy load now not taken by tanks of hydrocarbons now needing to come off the domestic electricity supplies, etc). There's plenty of knock-on effects to consider. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.82\|141.101.107.82]] 19:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

	This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)		This comic depends on what RationalWiki calls the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "Not as bad as" fallacy], which apparently has the fancier name "Fallacy of Relative Privation." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.36\|108.162.237.36]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)