Talk:2388: Viral Quiz Identity Theft - Revision history

SilverTheTerribleMathematician at 00:03, 3 January 2023

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SilverTheTerribleMathematician at 00:02, 3 January 2023

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162.158.75.138 at 23:32, 25 November 2020

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108.162.229.94 at 20:50, 23 November 2020

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Cellocgw at 16:27, 23 November 2020

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Gertuviti: Explain the meaning of a quote for BlackHat

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Explain the meaning of a quote for BlackHat

BlackHat at 13:44, 22 November 2020

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162.158.154.83 at 15:21, 21 November 2020

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108.162.219.248 at 12:08, 21 November 2020

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162.158.49.50 at 08:26, 21 November 2020

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 On the other side of Manhattan there is a high rise in the right spot, Trump Place. They use Riverside Blvd as the mailing address to avoid this issue. It is however a high rise. :)
 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.138|162.158.75.138]] 23:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 Man, for once, White Hat is right. [[User:SilverTheTerribleMathematician|SilverTheTerribleMathematician]] ([[User talk:SilverTheTerribleMathematician|talk]]) 00:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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	On the other side of Manhattan there is a high rise in the right spot, Trump Place. They use Riverside Blvd as the mailing address to avoid this issue. It is however a high rise. :)		On the other side of Manhattan there is a high rise in the right spot, Trump Place. They use Riverside Blvd as the mailing address to avoid this issue. It is however a high rise. :)
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		+	Man, for once, White Hat is right. [[User:SilverTheTerribleMathematician\|SilverTheTerribleMathematician]] ([[User talk:SilverTheTerribleMathematician\|talk]]) 00:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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	: And that's the purpose of the quote: Even though White Hat is correct about the public databases, that's not enough if you're trying to de-anonymize someone specific and all you have is a pseudonym. [[User:Gertuviti\|Gertuviti]] ([[User talk:Gertuviti\|talk]]) 15:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)		: And that's the purpose of the quote: Even though White Hat is correct about the public databases, that's not enough if you're trying to de-anonymize someone specific and all you have is a pseudonym. [[User:Gertuviti\|Gertuviti]] ([[User talk:Gertuviti\|talk]]) 15:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
	Folks: do a little Googling. 420 69th, New York is the address of "The Church of the Dildo Dude" [[User:Cellocgw\|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw\|talk]]) 16:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)		Folks: do a little Googling. 420 69th, New York is the address of "The Church of the Dildo Dude" [[User:Cellocgw\|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw\|talk]]) 16:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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		+	In New York there are actually several 420 69th streets. Most of them are going to be boring. There is one in Brooklyn, but that is a private residence and we shouldn’t bother the people there.
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		+	In Manhattan there are a 69th street East and a 96th Street West. 420 East is part of New York Presbyterian Hospital and Cornell Medical School. While you are likely to find sex (therapists) and (medical) marijuana there it’s a long, low (for Manhattan) building.
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		+	On the other side of Manhattan there is a high rise in the right spot, Trump Place. They use Riverside Blvd as the mailing address to avoid this issue. It is however a high rise. :)
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 I understand that the second part has to do with a strategy for doxing, which is fine, but why would it be appendaged to White Hat's strategy like that (and especially with an 'even though')? The entire paragraph following is just a description of how one could use this to attack the participant, but the whole point of the comic was to show that a brief Google search could give you the same results. If anyone could clear that up, it would be helpful. [[User:BlackHat|BlackHat]] ([[User talk:BlackHat|talk]]) 13:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 : As you mentioned, White Hat's basic argument is there are already public databases of names and addresses. If that's all the information Hairy needs, then Hairy's more elaborate scheme is unnecessary. The quote you mention is a counterargument to White Hat's point: If Hairy is actually trying to steal the identity of some *specific* online users and all Hairy knows is a pseudonymous username like e.g. turnitup91, then Hairy can't find out anything more about them from the public databases alone. Hairy's more elaborate scheme may actually make sense in such a case.
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 : And that's the purpose of the quote: Even though White Hat is correct about the public databases, that's not enough if you're trying to de-anonymize someone specific and all you have is a pseudonym. [[User:Gertuviti|Gertuviti]] ([[User talk:Gertuviti|talk]]) 15:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 Folks: do a little Googling.  420 69th, New York is the address of "The Church of the  Dildo Dude" [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 16:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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 : As you mentioned, White Hat's basic argument is there are already public databases of names and addresses. If that's all the information Hairy needs, then Hairy's more elaborate scheme is unnecessary. The quote you mention is a counterargument to White Hat's point: If Hairy is actually trying to steal the identity of some *specific* online users and all Hairy knows is a pseudonymous username like e.g. turnitup91, then Hairy can't find out anything more about them from the public databases alone. Hairy's more elaborate scheme may actually make sense in such a case.
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 : And that's the purpose of the quote: Even though White Hat is correct about the public databases, that's not enough if you're trying to de-anonymize someone specific and all you have is a pseudonym. [[User:Gertuviti|Gertuviti]] ([[User talk:Gertuviti|talk]]) 15:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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	I understand that the second part has to do with a strategy for doxing, which is fine, but why would it be appendaged to White Hat's strategy like that (and especially with an 'even though')? The entire paragraph following is just a description of how one could use this to attack the participant, but the whole point of the comic was to show that a brief Google search could give you the same results. If anyone could clear that up, it would be helpful. [[User:BlackHat\|BlackHat]] ([[User talk:BlackHat\|talk]]) 13:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)		I understand that the second part has to do with a strategy for doxing, which is fine, but why would it be appendaged to White Hat's strategy like that (and especially with an 'even though')? The entire paragraph following is just a description of how one could use this to attack the participant, but the whole point of the comic was to show that a brief Google search could give you the same results. If anyone could clear that up, it would be helpful. [[User:BlackHat\|BlackHat]] ([[User talk:BlackHat\|talk]]) 13:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
		+	: As you mentioned, White Hat's basic argument is there are already public databases of names and addresses. If that's all the information Hairy needs, then Hairy's more elaborate scheme is unnecessary. The quote you mention is a counterargument to White Hat's point: If Hairy is actually trying to steal the identity of some specific online users and all Hairy knows is a pseudonymous username like e.g. turnitup91, then Hairy can't find out anything more about them from the public databases alone. Hairy's more elaborate scheme may actually make sense in such a case.
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		+	: And that's the purpose of the quote: Even though White Hat is correct about the public databases, that's not enough if you're trying to de-anonymize someone specific and all you have is a pseudonym. [[User:Gertuviti\|Gertuviti]] ([[User talk:Gertuviti\|talk]]) 15:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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	Hairy tries to do something only to find that Black Hat did it far more efficiently - https://xkcd.com/1027/		Hairy tries to do something only to find that Black Hat did it far more efficiently - https://xkcd.com/1027/
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		+	Hmm... what exactly is the purpose/meaning of this sentence?
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		+	<blockquote>Even though White Hat is correct that there are public databases with lists of legal names and addresses, lots of online interactions take place in forums where people adopt pseudonyms.</blockquote>
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		+	I understand that the second part has to do with a strategy for doxing, which is fine, but why would it be appendaged to White Hat's strategy like that (and especially with an 'even though')? The entire paragraph following is just a description of how one could use this to attack the participant, but the whole point of the comic was to show that a brief Google search could give you the same results. If anyone could clear that up, it would be helpful. [[User:BlackHat\|BlackHat]] ([[User talk:BlackHat\|talk]]) 13:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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 I was going to add in the old, old example of constructing your 'pornstar name' of first pet's name and (road you grew up on|mother's maiden name), but I see there's no real agreement which of the latter it is when I wanted to get it straight for editing in. MMN is probably better for "security question" purposes, but it predates The Eternal September anyway, before which it was more a party-thing rather than a security threat against BBS/Usenet/mailing-list users.  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.132|162.158.159.132]] 00:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC) (a.k.a. Frazier Derwent)
 : I briefly googled 'eternal september' and found it was a date when internet dialogue was swamped by new users.  How did this relate to security questions? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.248|108.162.219.248]] 12:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 Hairy tries to do something only to find that Black Hat did it far more efficiently - https://xkcd.com/1027/

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	I was going to add in the old, old example of constructing your 'pornstar name' of first pet's name and (road you grew up on\|mother's maiden name), but I see there's no real agreement which of the latter it is when I wanted to get it straight for editing in. MMN is probably better for "security question" purposes, but it predates The Eternal September anyway, before which it was more a party-thing rather than a security threat against BBS/Usenet/mailing-list users. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.132\|162.158.159.132]] 00:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC) (a.k.a. Frazier Derwent)		I was going to add in the old, old example of constructing your 'pornstar name' of first pet's name and (road you grew up on\|mother's maiden name), but I see there's no real agreement which of the latter it is when I wanted to get it straight for editing in. MMN is probably better for "security question" purposes, but it predates The Eternal September anyway, before which it was more a party-thing rather than a security threat against BBS/Usenet/mailing-list users. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.132\|162.158.159.132]] 00:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC) (a.k.a. Frazier Derwent)
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		+	Hairy tries to do something only to find that Black Hat did it far more efficiently - https://xkcd.com/1027/